There has been times I've said far more than that but generally, it's not
necessary to say much to get a point across.
"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:T4Syb.188890$Dw6.717749@attbi_s02...
>
> > No, you said that it didn't have any measurable run out. Obviously, I
knew
> > what you meant but the original poster, after seeing comments like that,
> > could very well come to the conclusion that that is the way his should
be.
> > It is a rare chuck that shows no run out at all. In any case, for this
> type
> > of measurement, I think your method is to be preferred. In many cases, a
> > sensitive measuring instrument will give one something to worry about
when
> > it actually is of no consequence. The .012 measurement the OP got is
> rather
> > excessive but usable. He will likely want to do better. It would also be
> > clearly discernable by eye. I do have a collection of indicators due to
> > professional need though I really use one in the woodshop. Seldom is it
> > necessary.
> >
>
> CW - that's got to be your wordiest post, ever... :)
>
>
when there is no visible runout, that's good enough for me, my
cantankerous, ornery, argumentative friend. If something with a chuck
spins dead accurately, I don't need to grab my dial indicator. I bought
a Dewalt cordless drill with so much run out even you wouldn't have
bothered with using a indicator on it; I merely returned it for a refund
and got a Makita. I repeat, my DP has no "discernible" run out. is
that more to your liking, rather than "measurable"? picky, picky, picky.
dave
CW wrote:
> Seems to me Dave, that the last time this was discussed, it turned out your
> measurement tool was you eyeball. If you can't measure it, maybe me and my
> indicator should take a trip south. Only got to cover a state and a half. :)
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>NO.
>>
>>I"ve got a delta with no measureable runout on the 16 1/2" model. I
>>forget the model number but it's the popular floor standing model they
>>had out earlier this year, and prior.
>>
>>plumb bob wrote:
>> I do not think I am being unreasonable. Or
>>
>>>am I??
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Take the chuck off and mesure the spindle. Its probably the chuck. Most
drill preses come with bad to lousy chucks A good one will cost more than
you paid for your drill press.
"plumb bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gFyyb.269520$275.963281@attbi_s53...
> Bought a Ryobi 12" bench drill press this weekend. The runout, as measured
> with a blank reamer shaft is 0.012". Seems a little excessive to me. I
think
> I'll return it to the store (HD). I do not think I am being unreasonable.
Or
> am I??
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Don't know what you paid, but a review I recently read of 4 benchtop
presses
> provided these measurements:
>
> Bridgewood: 0.008" ($219)
> Powermatic: 0.004" ($350)
> Grizzly: 0.009" ($280)
> Jet: 0.008" ($319)
>
> http://www.woodnet.net/toolreviews/drillprs.html#features
The Ryobi was $169 at The Borg. I thought I would try to cheat fate with a
cheap tool. Call me an idiot but it was the night before thanksgiving and my
choice was either Ryobi or Craftsman...
Thanks,
Bob
> "plumb bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:gFyyb.269520$275.963281@attbi_s53...
> > Bought a Ryobi 12" bench drill press this weekend. The runout, as
measured
> > with a blank reamer shaft is 0.012". Seems a little excessive to me. I
> think
> > I'll return it to the store (HD). I do not think I am being
unreasonable.
what's that game where you take turns placing your hands up a bat until
there's no place else to grab onto?
dave
CW wrote:
> :)
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>true. :)
>>
>>dave
>>
>>CW wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There has been times I've said far more than that but generally, it's
>
> not
>
>>>necessary to say much to get a point across.
>>
>>snip
>>
>
>
>
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9AJyb.28576$e%[email protected]...
> when there is no visible runout, that's good enough for me,
Yep. Meaningful run out can be easily seen.
> I bought
> a Dewalt cordless drill with so much run out even you wouldn't have
> bothered with using a indicator on it;
It happens.
>I merely returned it for a refund
> and got a Makita.
As you should have.
>I repeat, my DP has no "discernible" run out.
No, you said that it didn't have any measurable run out. Obviously, I knew
what you meant but the original poster, after seeing comments like that,
could very well come to the conclusion that that is the way his should be.
It is a rare chuck that shows no run out at all. In any case, for this type
of measurement, I think your method is to be preferred. In many cases, a
sensitive measuring instrument will give one something to worry about when
it actually is of no consequence. The .012 measurement the OP got is rather
excessive but usable. He will likely want to do better. It would also be
clearly discernable by eye. I do have a collection of indicators due to
professional need though I really use one in the woodshop. Seldom is it
necessary.
Well, that's about the runout I got with my little Harbor Freight
benchtop drill press. It cost me ~$40, so if the runout is acceptable
for some work, you could go a lot less expensive than $169.
When a project comes along requiring greater precision than that, I
think I'll be getting a Grizzly floor model.
-Mike
"plumb bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<gFyyb.269520$275.963281@attbi_s53>...
> Bought a Ryobi 12" bench drill press this weekend. The runout, as measured
> with a blank reamer shaft is 0.012". Seems a little excessive to me. I think
> I'll return it to the store (HD). I do not think I am being unreasonable. Or
> am I??
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
Seems to me Dave, that the last time this was discussed, it turned out your
measurement tool was you eyeball. If you can't measure it, maybe me and my
indicator should take a trip south. Only got to cover a state and a half. :)
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NO.
>
> I"ve got a delta with no measureable runout on the 16 1/2" model. I
> forget the model number but it's the popular floor standing model they
> had out earlier this year, and prior.
>
> plumb bob wrote:
> I do not think I am being unreasonable. Or
> > am I??
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
"T." wrote:
>
> Mon, Dec 1, 2003, 8:40am (EST+5) [email protected] (CW) says:
> Seems to me Dave, that the last time this was discussed, it turned out
> your measurement tool was you eyeball. If you can't measure it, maybe me
> and my indicator should take a trip south. Only got to cover a state and
> a half. :)
>
> That's the way I measure the runout on my little HF drill press, #1
> eyeball. No measurable runout; anyway, plenty accurate enough, so far.
> But, if you wanna drop by and meaasure it, I'll buy the coffee. Uh, you
> do know I live in central NC, don't you? Just let me know when you're
> coming. LMAO
>
> JOAT
> People think that professional soldiers think a lot about fighting, but
> serious professional soldiers think a lot more about food and a warm
> place to sleep, because these are two things that are generally hard to
> get, whereas fighting tends to turn up all the time.
> - General Friit
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 30 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Damn, reading this news group is a pain. Read something,
run out to the shop and check, read something else, run out
to the shop and check, repeat, repeat.
Well, I ran out to the shop to check my little HF $40 drill
press. I thought it was excellent, little noise, no
vibration, but obviously lacking power for big jobs. I hope
I did this right, I put a 7/16 drill in the chuck, set the
arm of the dial gage against the drill near the chuck, and
rotated the motor to turn the drill. The range was 0.002
range.
There was a long thread about chucks falling out of drill
presses and how to clean and put the chuck in. When I got
my DP, I cleaned everything really well, stuck the chuck on
the spindle, opened the chuck wide, put a board on the
chuck, and gave the board a whack with a ball peen hammer.
Like Greg O said, maybe a lot of runout is related to how
well everything is cleaned before setting the chuck.
Well, that just goes to prove that you get what you pay
for. Plumb Bob got 0.012 inch runout for $169, and I got
0.002 inch runout for $40. Hell, I paid $20 per thousandth
runout and Plumb Bob only paid $14 per thousandth runout.
Hell of a deal. How come I always get screwed.
Mon, Dec 1, 2003, 8:40am (EST+5) [email protected] (CW) says:
Seems to me Dave, that the last time this was discussed, it turned out
your measurement tool was you eyeball. If you can't measure it, maybe me
and my indicator should take a trip south. Only got to cover a state and
a half. :)
That's the way I measure the runout on my little HF drill press, #1
eyeball. No measurable runout; anyway, plenty accurate enough, so far.
But, if you wanna drop by and meaasure it, I'll buy the coffee. Uh, you
do know I live in central NC, don't you? Just let me know when you're
coming. LMAO
JOAT
People think that professional soldiers think a lot about fighting, but
serious professional soldiers think a lot more about food and a warm
place to sleep, because these are two things that are generally hard to
get, whereas fighting tends to turn up all the time.
- General Friit
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 30 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Thanks for letting us know.
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Gbzyb.28842$Ac3.3314@lakeread01...
> My drill press has a .001 runout.
>
>
:)
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> true. :)
>
> dave
>
> CW wrote:
>
> > There has been times I've said far more than that but generally, it's
not
> > necessary to say much to get a point across.
>
> snip
>
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:T4Syb.188890$Dw6.717749@attbi_s02...
> No, you said that it didn't have any measurable run out. Obviously, I knew
> what you meant but the original poster, after seeing comments like that,
> could very well come to the conclusion that that is the way his should be.
> It is a rare chuck that shows no run out at all. In any case, for this
type
> of measurement, I think your method is to be preferred. In many cases, a
> sensitive measuring instrument will give one something to worry about when
> it actually is of no consequence. The .012 measurement the OP got is
rather
> excessive but usable. He will likely want to do better. It would also be
> clearly discernable by eye. I do have a collection of indicators due to
> professional need though I really use one in the woodshop. Seldom is it
> necessary.
>
CW - that's got to be your wordiest post, ever... :)
This isn't it. make another post. It's yours.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> what's that game where you take turns placing your hands up a bat until
> there's no place else to grab onto?
>
> dave
>
> CW wrote:
>
> > :)
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>true. :)
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>CW wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>There has been times I've said far more than that but generally, it's
> >
> > not
> >
> >>>necessary to say much to get a point across.
> >>
> >>snip
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
.012 is more than I'd want on a drill press.
not sure you'd get any better on anything you can exchange it for at
da borg though.
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 03:36:32 GMT, "plumb bob" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Bought a Ryobi 12" bench drill press this weekend. The runout, as measured
>with a blank reamer shaft is 0.012". Seems a little excessive to me. I think
>I'll return it to the store (HD). I do not think I am being unreasonable. Or
>am I??
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>
Don't know what you paid, but a review I recently read of 4 benchtop presses
provided these measurements:
Bridgewood: 0.008" ($219)
Powermatic: 0.004" ($350)
Grizzly: 0.009" ($280)
Jet: 0.008" ($319)
http://www.woodnet.net/toolreviews/drillprs.html#features
FYI
Brian.
"plumb bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gFyyb.269520$275.963281@attbi_s53...
> Bought a Ryobi 12" bench drill press this weekend. The runout, as measured
> with a blank reamer shaft is 0.012". Seems a little excessive to me. I
think
> I'll return it to the store (HD). I do not think I am being unreasonable.
Or
> am I??
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
"plumb bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gFyyb.269520$275.963281@attbi_s53...
> Bought a Ryobi 12" bench drill press this weekend. The runout, as measured
> with a blank reamer shaft is 0.012". Seems a little excessive to me. I
think
> I'll return it to the store (HD). I do not think I am being unreasonable.
Or
> am I??
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
My Jet had over .010 runout untill I remove the chuck an cleaned the taper.
It is less than .001 now. It really sucked with the .010 runout. I would
return it.
GReg