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pistolknight

24/01/2006 9:31 PM

reducing the size of a doorway


Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
size. Is this a straightforward job?

Many thanks in advance,

David


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pistolknight


This topic has 11 replies

b

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

24/01/2006 3:11 PM

I'm about to do the same thing in my laundry room, 36" down to 33".
Just as soon as I seal up all the 100yr old laundry plumbing.

I'm figuring to just basically build out the jam side with the last
piece maybe a harder wood, like poplar. Install door hardware
on new door and paint. Carefully reuse the existing hinges and
replace the threshold. Hope I can get it installed straight/plumb.

I'm using a half window slab door, rather than prehung.

Recommendations ?

Bart

b

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

27/01/2006 11:16 AM

My apologies. I am not the OP, but the MeToo poster.
This topic is much more suited for alt.home.repair.
I forgot where I was.

Bart

CW

"Chipper Wood"

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

25/01/2006 2:28 AM

Standard size replacement door would be 80"x34", Should be available pre
hung in many styles at most builder supply stores. Remove the old casing and
replace it with the new complete door. There should only be a small space
left above the new casing. A stoop if applicable will raise the door
slightly also. You can easily block this and refinish the existing walls. Or
even just use the door case trim if it is wider than the 2 inch gap. ( The
door casing should not be load bearing.) Take care to plumb the sides and
level the top and leaving a proper bottom clearance. The existing stud
framing should have a 1"+/- side space to allow for this using shim stock
after removing the old casing..

$.02,
Chipper wood

"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:31:33 +0000, pistolknight
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
>>I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
>>friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
>>size. Is this a straightforward job?
>
> Very simple process:
>
> 1) Buy 12 pack
> 2) Give 12 pack to builder friend
> 3) Get out of the way
>
> But seriously, all he's saying is add a board on the sides, and likely
> on the top. The moulding will cover the seam as long as you don't
> build it out too much on one side.
>
>
> -Leuf

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

24/01/2006 8:55 PM

pistolknight (in [email protected]) said:

| Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x
| 34". I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A
| builder friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to
| a standard size. Is this a straightforward job?

Maybe yes, maybe no. You've walked into a big roomful of woodworkers;
but you haven't (yet) asked if it'd make sense for you to consider
_building_ a replacement door!

So I'll ask you: What are your woodworking skills? What do you have in
the way of tools and/or shop? Are you willing try something new?

There are a lot of mentors, coaches, and skilled people around here
who'd be willing to provide guidance - and it's not as difficult a
project as you might think...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

Ll

Leuf

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

24/01/2006 9:32 PM

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:31:33 +0000, pistolknight
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
>I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
>friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
>size. Is this a straightforward job?

Very simple process:

1) Buy 12 pack
2) Give 12 pack to builder friend
3) Get out of the way

But seriously, all he's saying is add a board on the sides, and likely
on the top. The moulding will cover the seam as long as you don't
build it out too much on one side.


-Leuf

CM

"Charlie Mraz"

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

26/01/2006 10:22 PM

Consider shooting for a 36" door instead. That way you avoid the issues of
paint/wallcovering that would have to be touched up on either side of the
casing. A standard 34" rough opening would be on the order of 36 to 36 1/2
inches. If you would then replace the trimmers on each side with 1x4's you
would gain another 1.5". That would give 37 1/2 to 38 inches. 38 would be
enough for a pre-hung 36" door. If it is a load-bearing wall you would
probably want to reinforce the header to king stud connection with a metal
header hanger due to the reduced bearing on the trimmers. This may or may
not be necessary, depending on the load from the 2nd story (if applicable),
roof system etc, but I would just to be on the safe side. If it's just a
partition I wouldn't worry about it. Of course, that still leaves a little
bit of height to make up. You could hold the door off the floor a bit, use
wider casing, or just patch the wall finish.

Charlie


"pistolknight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
> I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
> friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
> size. Is this a straightforward job?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> David
>
>
> --
> pistolknight

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

25/01/2006 6:02 PM

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:31:33 +0000, pistolknight
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
>I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
>friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
>size. Is this a straightforward job?
>
>Many thanks in advance,
>
>David


Look into buying a 2-10 7-0 door and trimming it for height.


http://www.kolbe-kolbe.com/files/brochures/KolbeAdvantageDoors.pdf
Tom Watson - WoodDorker

tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Gw

Guess who

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

25/01/2006 11:41 AM

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:32:21 -0500, Leuf <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
>>I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
>>friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
>>size. Is this a straightforward job?
>
>Very simple process:
>
>1) Buy 12 pack
>2) Give 12 pack to builder friend
>3) Get out of the way

Nope. If too much or too busy to do yourself, "promise" the 12-pack
after a job well done.

pp

pistolknight

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

25/01/2006 9:54 PM


Chipper Wood Wrote:
> Standard size replacement door would be 80"x34", Should be available
> pre
> hung in many styles at most builder supply stores. Remove the old
> casing and
> replace it with the new complete door. There should only be a small
> space
> left above the new casing. A stoop if applicable will raise the door
> slightly also. You can easily block this and refinish the existing
> walls. Or
> even just use the door case trim if it is wider than the 2 inch gap. (
> The
> door casing should not be load bearing.) Take care to plumb the sides
> and
> level the top and leaving a proper bottom clearance. The existing stud
> framing should have a 1"+/- side space to allow for this using shim
> stock
> after removing the old casing..
>
> $.02,
> Chipper wood
>
> "Leuf" [email protected] wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:31:33 +0000, pistolknight
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
> I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
> friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
> size. Is this a straightforward job?
>
> Very simple process:
>
> 1) Buy 12 pack
> 2) Give 12 pack to builder friend
> 3) Get out of the way
>
> But seriously, all he's saying is add a board on the sides, and
> likely
> on the top. The moulding will cover the seam as long as you don't
> build it out too much on one side.
>
>
> -Leuf

Hi folks, many thanks for your speedy replies. Tonight i removed the
old stops from the lining and i'm now left with an opening of 860mm x
2085. I'm thinking that i can just add to each side and the top, to
take the doorway in to suit the 80" x 32" standard door that i have my
eye on. Does this sound ok?
My next problem, the door i intend to buy is made of hardwood ( it's
actually an external door) but i want it to be white to match in with
my white gloss cupboards and cranberry red walls. Is there any problem
with painting it?


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pistolknight

pp

pistolknight

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

26/01/2006 10:01 PM


Tom Watson Wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:31:33 +0000, pistolknight
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
> I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
> friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
> size. Is this a straightforward job?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> David
>
>
> Look into buying a 2-10 7-0 door and trimming it for height.
>
>
> http://www.kolbe-kolbe.com/files/brochures/KolbeAdvantageDoors.pdf
> Tom Watson - WoodDorker
>
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Hi Tom, many thanks for the link. However, i live in Scotland and it
is a little bit harder to find a 2'10 x 7' door. I think i would have
to get one custom made. If i had more time and was a bit more
accomplished in woodwork, i would certainly try to make my own.

Regards,
David


--
pistolknight

MO

Mike O.

in reply to pistolknight on 24/01/2006 9:31 PM

24/01/2006 8:52 PM

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:31:33 +0000, pistolknight
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi, I want to replace a door in my kitchen which measures 82" x 34".
>I've been told that i would have to get one made specially. A builder
>friend suggested that i 'plate' the doorway to reduce it to a standard
>size. Is this a straightforward job?

I assume what he means is adding to the jam to make the opening
smaller. It looks like you need to add 1 full inch to each side to
get the opening down to 32" for a 2/8 door. I think it could be done
but it might be hard to hide the edges of the pieces you have added.

Is it possible to remove the casing on the inside and outside, remove
the door, install the new jam and door and replace the casing with 1"
wider casing inside and out?

Mike O.


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