Llamello for biscuit joiners, Altendorf for
Table Saws, Festool for Jig saws...
all arguable at the top of their game...
so who for Scroll Saws?
Who produces the top quality Scroll Saw?
Googling brings up all sorts of options mainly
from names that I don't immediatly associate
with out and out quality...
Thoughts?
Roy (in the UK)
RzB wrote:
> Llamello for biscuit joiners, Altendorf for
> Table Saws, Festool for Jig saws...
> all arguable at the top of their game...
>
> so who for Scroll Saws?
>
> Who produces the top quality Scroll Saw?
Hawk and Hegner are excellent. Dewalt also makes one that I've heard
praised by some very good scrollsawyers, and at a lower price.
> Thoughts?
Unless you're set on doing pretty finely detailed scrolling, I'd go
with a quality bandsaw and some good, narrow blades.
JP
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> RzB wrote:
>> Llamello for biscuit joiners, Altendorf for
>> Table Saws, Festool for Jig saws...
>> all arguable at the top of their game...
>>
>> so who for Scroll Saws?
>>
>> Who produces the top quality Scroll Saw?
>
> Hawk and Hegner are excellent. Dewalt also makes one that I've heard
> praised by some very good scrollsawyers, and at a lower price.
>
>> Thoughts?
>
> Unless you're set on doing pretty finely detailed scrolling, I'd go
> with a quality bandsaw and some good, narrow blades.
>
> JP
>
Jay,
Many thanks for your response...
I have googled etc but can't find a URL...
Do you have a link to Hawk and Hegner ?
Many thanks,
Roy
Phil,
Many thanks for your excellent response.
That gives me plenty to go on. Yes importing
from the US is a pain - duty, VAT, carriage,
support, returns, 110V - to name but a few!
I'll do some more investigation using your
links and advice, and see what I can come up
with in the UK.
The DeWalt 788 is available in the UK at £305
about $530. However I have had a bad experience
with DeWalt. Probably an exception to the rule,
and it was just as they were merging with the
B & D support staff in the UK, (to give them the
benefit of the doubt), but I am now very wary.
I have just got a book Scroll Saw Handbook
by Patric Spielman so should also be able to get
some direction from that.
Many thanks for your help,
Roy
"Phil-in-MI" <NO Spam & [email protected]> wrote in message
news:nsZrf.700$M%[email protected]...
> Roy:
>
> UK (as member of EU) has lots of problems with import duty and VAT Taxes.
> For EU brands, google for Fretsaws.
>
> Dollar for Dollar, DeWalt #788 is your best bargain in US / Canada
> Of equal price range and quality is the Delta P-20. Both expensive with
> taxes in EU.
>
> (Aside: There have been a few reports, the table on the DeWalt have
> not been flat since vendor change in Taiwan. DeWalt has honored
> warranty and replaced the table. But with delay due to shipping from
> overseas.)
>
> The Major feature of the really high end Scroll Saws are for use in
> 'fretwork':
> - Lack of Vibration (and no harmonic point as speed changes)
> - Ease of being able to thread a blade thru a very small drill hole (#62
> or
> even #71 US number drill hole), and attach the blade to holder
> - Some users like to thread blade from top to bottom and attach blade in
> blade chuck without looking under saw table; others like to bottom feed.
> - Blade can be repetitively, and accuracy, inserted into blade chuck, to
> correct position before clamping jaws of chuck.
> - Blade chuck requires no special tool.
> - Quite running
> - Blade goes only up and down, no multiple dimensions tool path:
> - - absolutely no side to side motion of blade path
> - - no forward motion on down stroke
> - - just up and down in same plane
>
> The links below, saws are about $1000.00 (USD) and they are of similar
> quality. Available in UK I don't know.
>
> http://www.excalibur-tools.com/ (has new model, table does not tilt, the
> rest of saw tilts instead. Keeps project flat, a great improvement)
> http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/
> http://www.rbiwoodtools.com/
> http://www.advmachinery.com/ (Heginer Scroll Saws)
>
> UK made scroll saw (NO JOKE! don't buy until you try it!)
> Diamond Fretsaw (does not have a web page that
> I know of try http://www.scrollsaws.com/
> and on left hand side, scroll down to Reviews,
> and last entry is Diamond Scroll Saws.
> Saw needs to be bolted to table, and table
> bolted to concrete floor.)
>
> Don't forget to google 'woodworking forum, UK'
> Maybe someone on your side of the pond has been there,
> done that.
>
> HTH
>
> Phil
>
"Barry Lennox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Hawk, Hegner and Excalibur are probably the best up there. However,
> they are all costly!!
>
> I looked at them all at the WW shows, they were very nice, but the
> DeWalt 788 seemed almost as good for about 1/3 the cost.
>
> My mind was made up when Home Depot flogged them off (in 1999?) after
> some kind of argument with DeWalt, for around $249 or $269.
>
> I have to run it off a 230-115v transformer, but what the hell, the
> power goes through several transformers before it gets to me, one more
> is no big deal.
>
> It runs beautifully smoothly and is a much-used tool
>
> Barry (in NZ)
>
Barry,
Many thanks for your response...
Hmm... perhaps I should give DW another chance ...
Now if only we had a "Home Depot" in the UK.... :-)
Thanks,
Roy
"Sam Soltan" <samsoltan_48323atyahoodotcom> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I teach at a middle school 6th - 8th grade. Someone "borrowed" a top jaw
> assembly from one of our school's three delta scroll saws over the summer.
> When I called to order the replacement parts I was told that Delta no
> longer supports the machine, mind you these are less than ten years old. I
> doubt that I will ever again order or recommend a Delta tool again.
>
Well, you could have had my problem. Grant-purchased Grizz stuff under
constant repair. Doesn't take a batch of kids long to misuse a tool. Can't
watch everyone.
Fortunately most of the shop was based on ancient iron - Delta.
I shot off too fast. It just wasn't the blade chuck but the entire upper
assembly, where it attaches on to the "C" arm. I had a spare chuck but no
way to attach it to the arm.
"Phil-in-MI" <NO Spam & [email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Sam Soltan" <samsoltan_48323atyahoodotcom> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just STAY AWAY FROM DELTA
>>
>> I teach at a middle school 6th - 8th grade. Someone "borrowed" a top jaw
>> assembly from one of our school's three delta scroll saws over the
>> summer. When I called to order the replacement parts I was told that
>> Delta no longer supports the machine, mind you these are less than ten
>> years old. I doubt that I will ever again order or recommend a Delta tool
>> again.
>>
>
> Sam:
>
> Delta scroll saw blade chuck replacement is at Amazon.com:
>
> Search Amazon under Tools and Hardware for
> Delta 40-251 II Quickset Blade Chuck.
> Less than $25.00 while supplies last.
>
> Yes, you are correct, The New Owner's of Delta now have a
> no support after so many years. This is the same mind set that
> brought you "Planned Obsolesce" in the 1960's and 1970's.
>
> Just a heads up, if your saw is 10 years old or so, as part of the top
> arm assembly there is a small rubber disk, or grommet, that works
> with the blade tension system. This rubber grommet needs to be replaced
> every few years because it becomes compressed and hardened.
> (Blade tension will be incorrect, and blade breakage will occur
> more often. In extreme cases, damage to tension bolt will occur.)
> Grommet replacement cost about $1.00 USD currently. Soon,
> Delta will no longer carry this part, as it is an older design that
> uses it. Your school should start looking into getting a supply
> this part ASAP.
>
> When you replace the grommet, it is a good time to replace the 2
> small sealed ball bearing that attaches the motor to the lower arm.
> Local bearing store should carry them as it is a common bearing.
>
>
> Phil
>
>
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. :)
"RzB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Now if only we had a "Home Depot" in the UK.... :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Roy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
:eek: Please before you answer the question above, visit Diamond
Fretsaws at www.diamondfretsaws.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk and check out
the spec. Then speak to anyone who has ever seen or used
one...properly! (and not as on one forum recently an old one
patched up! Then wondered why it vibrated!!!)
Would you ever comment on the ride of a Bmw or Lexus before you test
drove one? (And not one from a junkyard!) I think not. so no, please
don't laugh at the UK, read the web page try the saw and then decide.
I know the diamond very well, so I will comment no further as I some
of the others mentioned are not so well known over here. The Diamond
Certainly is!
Just STAY AWAY FROM DELTA
I teach at a middle school 6th - 8th grade. Someone "borrowed" a top jaw
assembly from one of our school's three delta scroll saws over the summer.
When I called to order the replacement parts I was told that Delta no longer
supports the machine, mind you these are less than ten years old. I doubt
that I will ever again order or recommend a Delta tool again.
"Sam Soltan" <samsoltan_48323atyahoodotcom> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just STAY AWAY FROM DELTA
>
> I teach at a middle school 6th - 8th grade. Someone "borrowed" a top jaw
> assembly from one of our school's three delta scroll saws over the summer.
> When I called to order the replacement parts I was told that Delta no
> longer supports the machine, mind you these are less than ten years old. I
> doubt that I will ever again order or recommend a Delta tool again.
>
Sam:
Delta scroll saw blade chuck replacement is at Amazon.com:
Search Amazon under Tools and Hardware for
Delta 40-251 II Quickset Blade Chuck.
Less than $25.00 while supplies last.
Yes, you are correct, The New Owner's of Delta now have a
no support after so many years. This is the same mind set that
brought you "Planned Obsolesce" in the 1960's and 1970's.
Just a heads up, if your saw is 10 years old or so, as part of the top
arm assembly there is a small rubber disk, or grommet, that works
with the blade tension system. This rubber grommet needs to be replaced
every few years because it becomes compressed and hardened.
(Blade tension will be incorrect, and blade breakage will occur
more often. In extreme cases, damage to tension bolt will occur.)
Grommet replacement cost about $1.00 USD currently. Soon,
Delta will no longer carry this part, as it is an older design that
uses it. Your school should start looking into getting a supply
this part ASAP.
When you replace the grommet, it is a good time to replace the 2
small sealed ball bearing that attaches the motor to the lower arm.
Local bearing store should carry them as it is a common bearing.
Phil
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:27:56 -0000, "RzB" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Llamello for biscuit joiners, Altendorf for
>Table Saws, Festool for Jig saws...
>all arguable at the top of their game...
>
>so who for Scroll Saws?
>
>Who produces the top quality Scroll Saw?
Hawk, Hegner and Excalibur are probably the best up there. However,
they are all costly!!
I looked at them all at the WW shows, they were very nice, but the
DeWalt 788 seemed almost as good for about 1/3 the cost.
My mind was made up when Home Depot flogged them off (in 1999?) after
some kind of argument with DeWalt, for around $249 or $269.
I have to run it off a 230-115v transformer, but what the hell, the
power goes through several transformers before it gets to me, one more
is no big deal.
It runs beautifully smoothly and is a much-used tool
Barry (in NZ)
Roy:
UK (as member of EU) has lots of problems with import duty and VAT Taxes.
For EU brands, google for Fretsaws.
Dollar for Dollar, DeWalt #788 is your best bargain in US / Canada
Of equal price range and quality is the Delta P-20. Both expensive with
taxes in EU.
(Aside: There have been a few reports, the table on the DeWalt have
not been flat since vendor change in Taiwan. DeWalt has honored
warranty and replaced the table. But with delay due to shipping from
overseas.)
The Major feature of the really high end Scroll Saws are for use in
'fretwork':
- Lack of Vibration (and no harmonic point as speed changes)
- Ease of being able to thread a blade thru a very small drill hole (#62 or
even #71 US number drill hole), and attach the blade to holder
- Some users like to thread blade from top to bottom and attach blade in
blade chuck without looking under saw table; others like to bottom feed.
- Blade can be repetitively, and accuracy, inserted into blade chuck, to
correct position before clamping jaws of chuck.
- Blade chuck requires no special tool.
- Quite running
- Blade goes only up and down, no multiple dimensions tool path:
- - absolutely no side to side motion of blade path
- - no forward motion on down stroke
- - just up and down in same plane
The links below, saws are about $1000.00 (USD) and they are of similar
quality. Available in UK I don't know.
http://www.excalibur-tools.com/ (has new model, table does not tilt, the
rest of saw tilts instead. Keeps project flat, a great improvement)
http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/
http://www.rbiwoodtools.com/
http://www.advmachinery.com/ (Heginer Scroll Saws)
UK made scroll saw (NO JOKE! don't buy until you try it!)
Diamond Fretsaw (does not have a web page that
I know of try http://www.scrollsaws.com/
and on left hand side, scroll down to Reviews,
and last entry is Diamond Scroll Saws.
Saw needs to be bolted to table, and table
bolted to concrete floor.)
Don't forget to google 'woodworking forum, UK'
Maybe someone on your side of the pond has been there,
done that.
HTH
Phil
"RzB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Llamello for biscuit joiners, Altendorf for
> Table Saws, Festool for Jig saws...
> all arguable at the top of their game...
>
> so who for Scroll Saws?
>
> Who produces the top quality Scroll Saw?
>
> Googling brings up all sorts of options mainly
> from names that I don't immediatly associate
> with out and out quality...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Roy (in the UK)
>
For Hawk
http://www.rbiwoodtools.com/
Russ
"RzB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> RzB wrote:
>>> Llamello for biscuit joiners, Altendorf for
>>> Table Saws, Festool for Jig saws...
>>> all arguable at the top of their game...
>>>
>>> so who for Scroll Saws?
>>>
>>> Who produces the top quality Scroll Saw?
>>
>> Hawk and Hegner are excellent. Dewalt also makes one that I've heard
>> praised by some very good scrollsawyers, and at a lower price.
>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Unless you're set on doing pretty finely detailed scrolling, I'd go
>> with a quality bandsaw and some good, narrow blades.
>>
>> JP
>>
>
> Jay,
> Many thanks for your response...
>
> I have googled etc but can't find a URL...
>
> Do you have a link to Hawk and Hegner ?
>
> Many thanks,
> Roy
>
>
Not sure where you are located but RBI demonstrates at most of the
woodworking shows and also offers price cuts at the shows.
Not affliated with RBI in any way just providing useful info.
Russ
"RzB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Russ,
> Many thanks,
> Roy
>
>