Hello All,
I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
Thanks,
Duane K. Navarre
[email protected]
http://www.geocities.com/cabinetsandcrafts
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:21:11 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>There aren't too many good books like his. Jeff Jewitt's new book (Taunton's
>Complete Illustrated Guide to Finishing) is also reported to be excellent,
>but I haven't seen it yet.
I have it, it is. <G>
Barry
> I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
I'd like to offer a comment, if I may. While your stuff may be well built
and nicely finished, it looks homemade and it's butt ugly. Seriously.
Really, you need to work on your design skills.
> > I'd like to offer a comment, if I may. While your stuff may be well
built
> > and nicely finished, it looks homemade and it's butt ugly. Seriously.
> > Really, you need to work on your design skills.
> >
>
> Before you knock someone elses stuff, lets see some of your work. Also,
> you have to remember that whats "butt ugly" to you may be beautiful to
> someone else. Everyone's tastes are different.
I agree that everyone's tastes are different, but many people don't have any
taste. That's one reason why (butt ugly) black velvet Elvis paintings sell
so well.
I work as a photographer and a design consultant. When I say something is
butt ugly, it's not just a uninformed personal bias but my informed
professional opinion.
Seriously though, it doesn't take long to realize there's a lot of knowledge
and craftsmanship on this group. A lot of know how and expertise in how to
put projects together. Much discussion on what type of tools to use and
assembly techniques. Very little talk, however, of aesthetics and other
design considerations, and yet these considerations are of far greater
significance in the end product than the brand of glue, type of clamp, or
make of sawblade.
> Your profession has nothing
> at all to do with being an informed professional opinion.
My profession is all about aesthetics.
> An informed
> professional opinion would consider tastes outside of your own.
Of course. It's all about the client's needs. Fortunately, none of them are
into butt ugly 70's pseudo country.
> Yours has
> every appearance of being a snobish, rather myopic opinion.
Or it could be a snide reply to the nature of the original post.
> Your comments remind me a lot of Bob Flexnor's Book "Understanding
> Wood Finishes".
Disclaimer - I can vouch that we're not related, nor do we own shares in
each other's
companies.
> THere are a couple of serious errors--his instructions
> for using lye are dangerous (Never dissolve lye in hot water or
> in a glass container) and he omits discussion of the dangers of
> using potassium dichromate, (a strong oxidiser and powerful human
> carcinogen) but it IS otherwise an excellent book.
There aren't too many good books like his. Jeff Jewitt's new book (Taunton's
Complete Illustrated Guide to Finishing) is also reported to be excellent,
but I haven't seen it yet.
> He includes numerous photos of wood finished two different ways.
> Invariably, the way he PREFERS looks inferior to me, sometimes
> to the point of being butt ugly.
One thing that's a challenge in photography is to reproduce a three
dimensional image on an offset press. Not only accurately reproducing the
colours, but also the
special depth and luminance of a good wood finish. A lot of the subtlety and
nuance is lost in the process, and what you see in the book is only a hint
of what the actual finish would look like, butt ugly or otherwise.
> As you noted, there is no accounting for taste. We are as unable
> to account for yours, as you are to ours.
> BTW, I have noted that the same mistake is often made in guides
> to photography. Rather than just pointing out how certain
> techniques affect the image, technically or esthetically the
> authors often go on to declare one to be 'better' than the
> other.
I'm afraid that a lot of visual arts instruction these days is just that, a
teacher espousing their personal biases as dogma and grading students on how
well they imitate the teacher, rather than opening up a students eyes and
teaching them to think and feel for themselves.
> Oh great, first we had a self proclaimed master woodworker now a self
> proclaimed aesthetics cop.
Thank you for the self-proclamations. That was very sweet of you.
But seriously, many woodworkers on this group are fully capable of building
strong, solid, nicely built and nicely finished items. In fact, just as good
and in some cases better than what you can buy commercially. What separates
the two groups, more than any other factor, is aesthics and design.
This is an area that is largely overlooked by most woodworkers, who instead
tend to focus more on construction techniques and materials, whereas most
commercial furniture's primary focus is on aesthics and design. To me a
master woodworker is someone who does both well. The appeal of a Maloof
chair isn't the species of wood used or his joinery methods. He can command
$25k per item and his customers will pay that for a chair that's screwed
together simply because it's beautiful.
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:59:50 -0400, "RKON"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Ed:
>
>Pop Ups? Google Toolbar = Pop Up blocker. Try it !!
I second that.
Barry
Duane K advertises:
>I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
>that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
Yup. Pinpoint marketing. Selling custom-made furniture to people who
custom-make furniture as a hobby or business.
Is that like the fish merchant who sells to luckless fishermen?
Charlie Self
"Wars spring from unseen and generally insignificant causes, the first outbreak
being often but an explosion of anger." Thucydides
mp wrote:
>>> I'd like to offer a comment, if I may. While your stuff may be well
>>> built and nicely finished, it looks homemade and it's butt ugly.
>>> Seriously. Really, you need to work on your design skills.
>>>
>>
>> Before you knock someone elses stuff, lets see some of your work.
>> Also, you have to remember that whats "butt ugly" to you may be
>> beautiful to someone else. Everyone's tastes are different.
>
> I agree that everyone's tastes are different, but many people don't
> have any taste. That's one reason why (butt ugly) black velvet Elvis
> paintings sell so well.
>
> I work as a photographer and a design consultant. When I say
> something is butt ugly, it's not just a uninformed personal bias but
> my informed professional opinion.
Since you seem to appreciate candor, I'll be as candid as you were. I have
to question your artistic eye if you refer to this fellow's work as butt
ugly. It's not the type of furnature I'd build to put in my home, but there
is certainly nothing butt ugly about it at all. Your profession has nothing
at all to do with being an informed professional opinion. An informed
professional opinion would consider tastes outside of your own. Yours has
every appearance of being a snobish, rather myopic opinion.
>
> Seriously though, it doesn't take long to realize there's a lot of
> knowledge and craftsmanship on this group. A lot of know how and
> expertise in how to put projects together. Much discussion on what
> type of tools to use and assembly techniques. Very little talk,
> however, of aesthetics and other design considerations, and yet these
> considerations are of far greater significance in the end product
> than the brand of glue, type of clamp, or make of sawblade.
I don't think any discusssion on asthetics would be terribly fruitful -
believe it or not there are people who think they understand what everyone
else should appreciate better then the eye of the beholder.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Sam the Cat wrote:
>
> Jeremy
> how much teak do you have left ? Whats the going rate ? Would you be
> willing to help arrange shipping ?
>
> BTW tried going direct, but your email addy bounced back -- my email
> should work
>
>
My address is dcnet2000, not 2001.
I will try your address tomorrow.
I have a couple of thousand BF left and will arrange shipping
JJ
I went down to Costa Rica, picked the trees, watched them being cut and
sawn, loaded them on a container (brutal work) and shipped them up to
Houston.
I am in Texas, but we are not in the wood business any more and I have
2,000 BF stickered that I need to get rid of, and will do it in 50-100
BF lots if necessary, mostly ground shipping UPS.
The wood is from 30 year old trees and varies wildly in colour, with
white wood inclusions.
JJ
"Mark L." wrote:
>
> If I may ask, how did you come across the teak? After several trips to
> Thailand, it's turned out to be my favorite type of wood. Are you in the
> midwest by any chance? Mark L.
>
> Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > "Dune K. Nave" wrote:
> >
> >>Hello All,
> >>
> >>I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> >>that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
> >
> >
> > I want 6 dining room chairs, 5 tables, three benches for outside with
> > matching picnic tables but you have to buy all the teak from me :-)
> >
> > Jeremy
Would you mind emailing me details on 100 bd ft? Please use
[email protected] Thanks, Mark
Jeremy wrote:
> I went down to Costa Rica, picked the trees, watched them being cut and
> sawn, loaded them on a container (brutal work) and shipped them up to
> Houston.
>
> I am in Texas, but we are not in the wood business any more and I have
> 2,000 BF stickered that I need to get rid of, and will do it in 50-100
> BF lots if necessary, mostly ground shipping UPS.
>
> The wood is from 30 year old trees and varies wildly in colour, with
> white wood inclusions.
>
Jeremy
how much teak do you have left ? Whats the going rate ? Would you be
willing to help arrange shipping ?
BTW tried going direct, but your email addy bounced back -- my email
should work
Cheers
Eric
"Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Dune K. Nave" wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> > that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
> I want 6 dining room chairs, 5 tables, three benches for outside with
> matching picnic tables but you have to buy all the teak from me :-)
>
> Jeremy
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> > I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> > that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
> I'd like to offer a comment, if I may. While your stuff may be well built
> and nicely finished, it looks homemade and it's butt ugly. Seriously.
> Really, you need to work on your design skills.
>
Before you knock someone elses stuff, lets see some of your work. Also,
you have to remember that whats "butt ugly" to you may be beautiful to
someone else. Everyone's tastes are different.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Very little talk, however, of aesthetics and other
> design considerations, and yet these considerations are of far greater
> significance in the end product than the brand of glue, type of clamp, or
> make of sawblade.
>
I understand and agree with what your saying in principle. However, for
many of us the glue,clamps,sawblades,and the work involved are priceless
when compared to the end product. One exception to this is if end
product is a gift or a customers piece, then making THEM happy is number
one.
Speaking of aesthetics, which finish gives walnut its best appearance?
Oil finish, shellac, varnish, poly, or latex paint? Is it ok to stain
walnut?
Ed:
Pop Ups? Google Toolbar = Pop Up blocker. Try it !!
Rich
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Duane K. Navarre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> > that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Duane K. Navarre
>
> Thanks, but that is what a lot of us do.
> May I make a suggestion? Move your web page to a real host for business.
> Nothing is more irritating that pop ups from Geocities from a commercial
> enterprise web page. Very amateurish.
> Ed.
>
>
"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Your profession has nothing
> > at all to do with being an informed professional opinion.
>
> My profession is all about aesthetics.
>
> > An informed
> > professional opinion would consider tastes outside of your own.
>
> Of course. It's all about the client's needs. Fortunately, none of them are
> into butt ugly 70's pseudo country.
>
> > Yours has
> > every appearance of being a snobish, rather myopic opinion.
>
> Or it could be a snide reply to the nature of the original post.
I am not a professional cabinetmaker like many of the guys in this
newsgroup (but I wish I were!), so my opinion is closer the the
aesthetics side I would think.
I do not normally look at sites such as the one the original poster
plunked out here but in light of the threads you posted, mp, I just
had to go out and look at it.
I have to agree with the men that know what's going on: beauty is in
the eye of the beholder. I actually see nothing the matter with what
this guy is making and selling. You may not like it but I can think
of many people off the top of my head that would think about some of
the items he shows on his site.
Aesthetics itself is in the eye of the beholder. If the eye of the
beholder is tainted, well, then there is nothing we can do about that
now, is there?
I would have to agree that you come across as myopic and snobbish as
well as a few other adjectives. What you are saying is as long as you
think the item looks good (to you!), that's all that matters. What a
crock of bull. I have seen things that look pretty good from a
distance but when you really look at the piece of garbage, it isn't
worth the space it takes up.
My bet is that your photographs don't hold a candle to, say, Ansel
Adams. Should we say yours are butt-ugly and you need to do something
about it? Geesh.
The only hting I see wrong with what the original poster did was
trying to peddle his ware here on the REC--not what he was selling.
"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Speaking of aesthetics, which finish gives walnut its best appearance?
> > Oil finish, shellac, varnish, poly, or latex paint? Is it ok to stain
> > walnut?
>
> Best? I'd suggest you consider the look of the item and the environment it's
> going to be placed in.
Your comments remind me a lot of Bob Flexnor's Book "Understanding
Wood Finishes". THere are a couple of serious errors--his instructions
for using lye are dangerous (Never dissolve lye in hot water or
in a glass container) and he omits discussion of the dangers of
using potassium dichromate, (a strong oxidiser and powerful human
carcinogen) but it IS otherwise an excellent book.
He includes numerous photos of wood finished two different ways.
Invariably, the way he PREFERS looks inferior to me, sometimes
to the point of being butt ugly.
As you noted, there is no accounting for taste. We are as unable
to account for yours, as you are to ours.
BTW, I have noted that the same mistake is often made in guides
to photography. Rather than just pointing out how certain
techniques affect the image, technically or esthetically the
authors often go on to declare one to be 'better' than the
other.
--
FF
"Duane K. Navarre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello All,
>
> I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
Thank God you posted here. I need cabinetsto store all of my woodworking
tools and accessories for making cabinets, shelves, furniture, etc.
Frank
Hey Duane, If you need some one to build that custom made furniture for you,
let me know.
"Duane K. Navarre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello All,
>
> I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
> Thanks,
> Duane K. Navarre
> [email protected]
> http://www.geocities.com/cabinetsandcrafts
"Duane K. Navarre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello All,
>
> I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
> Thanks,
> Duane K. Navarre
Thanks, but that is what a lot of us do.
May I make a suggestion? Move your web page to a real host for business.
Nothing is more irritating that pop ups from Geocities from a commercial
enterprise web page. Very amateurish.
Ed.
On 27 Apr 2004 16:22:31 -0700, [email protected] (Duane K.
Navarre) brought forth from the murky depths:
>Hello All,
>
>I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
>that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
Call Sam Maloof, Duane. He's into pukey ducks and spice shelves.
whaddamaroon...
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Oh boy, this should be fun.
Got any good designs I can stea....ah, copy?
On a more serious note, some nice work there Duane.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Duane K. Navarre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello All,
>
> I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
> that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
> Thanks,
> Duane K. Navarre
> [email protected]
> http://www.geocities.com/cabinetsandcrafts
mp wrote:
>
>> Yours has
>> every appearance of being a snobish, rather myopic opinion.
>
> Or it could be a snide reply to the nature of the original post.
Geeze - I didn't think the OP was that bad. And I'm one who has a keen
appreciation for the snide-r side of life...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Oh great, first we had a self proclaimed master woodworker now a self
proclaimed aesthetics cop.
There's hacks in any profession. Maybe you are one maybe not, but your
professional bedside manner is butt ugly which leads me to believe the
former..
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > > I'd like to offer a comment, if I may. While your stuff may be well
> built
> > > and nicely finished, it looks homemade and it's butt ugly. Seriously.
> > > Really, you need to work on your design skills.
> > >
> >
> > Before you knock someone elses stuff, lets see some of your work. Also,
> > you have to remember that whats "butt ugly" to you may be beautiful to
> > someone else. Everyone's tastes are different.
>
> I agree that everyone's tastes are different, but many people don't have
any
> taste. That's one reason why (butt ugly) black velvet Elvis paintings sell
> so well.
>
> I work as a photographer and a design consultant. When I say something is
> butt ugly, it's not just a uninformed personal bias but my informed
> professional opinion.
>
> Seriously though, it doesn't take long to realize there's a lot of
knowledge
> and craftsmanship on this group. A lot of know how and expertise in how to
> put projects together. Much discussion on what type of tools to use and
> assembly techniques. Very little talk, however, of aesthetics and other
> design considerations, and yet these considerations are of far greater
> significance in the end product than the brand of glue, type of clamp, or
> make of sawblade.
>
>
If I may ask, how did you come across the teak? After several trips to
Thailand, it's turned out to be my favorite type of wood. Are you in the
midwest by any chance? Mark L.
Jeremy wrote:
>
> "Dune K. Nave" wrote:
>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I just wanted to offer my website address and services to anyone
>>that wants custom made furniture, made as ordered .
>
>
> I want 6 dining room chairs, 5 tables, three benches for outside with
> matching picnic tables but you have to buy all the teak from me :-)
>
> Jeremy