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Steve Turner

03/12/2003 2:29 AM

Circular planes

Can anybody who owns a Stanley or Record #20 or #113 tell me what the radius
measurements are for the tightest curves these planes will follow? Patrick
Leach's website doesn't seem to offer up this information:

http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan3.htm#num20
http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan12.htm#num113

Thanks.

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[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

03/12/2003 7:01 AM

Steve Turner asks:

>Can anybody who owns a Stanley or Record #20 or #113 tell me what the radius
>measurements are for the tightest curves these planes will follow? Patrick
>Leach's website doesn't seem to offer up this information:
>
>http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan3.htm#num20
>http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan12.htm#num113

This will drive me nuts for a bit. I've got a new E.C.E. compass plane out in
the shop: it is adjustable, and goes from concave to convex in the process, so
the possibilities change a lot. They're probably not infinite, though. Nice
cutting tool.

Charlie Self

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Alan McClure

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

04/12/2003 1:05 PM



Steve Turner wrote:

> Thanks guys. If any of you hang out over at rec.crafts.woodturning, you
> probably know why I'm asking. Having been a drummer for most of my life
> (since I was 10) I've always wanted to make some of my own drums. This
> past weekend I put together the basic shell of a 14" snare drum from 20
> staves of Mesquite, and I'm looking for the best way to true it up on
> both the inside and outside surfaces. Short of spending two grand on a
> new lathe big enough to handle the job, I've been toying with making a
> couple of compass planes instead (somebody at r.c.w also suggested this
> approach). I didn't think either the #20 or #113 would go that tight,
> but I just thought I'd ask to be sure.
>
> That new lathe is gonna justify itself yet! :-)
>
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If you own a router you might be able to make a couple jigs that would
allow you to true up almost any sized drum shell. Possibly even
one that is not straight sided.

Email me if you're interested, I'll try to explain.

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LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

04/12/2003 12:52 AM

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:29:00 GMT, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>Can anybody who owns a Stanley or Record #20 or #113 tell me what the radius
>measurements are for the tightest curves these planes will follow? Patrick
>Leach's website doesn't seem to offer up this information:
>
>http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan3.htm#num20
>http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan12.htm#num113

I don't have one but logic dictates that the tightest
radius would be roughly half the length of the plane's
sole in min OD or min ID planing positions. It's probably
in the 5-7" range.

Use a Miller Falls #1 cigar spokeshave for smaller radii.

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Steve Turner

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

06/12/2003 5:36 AM

Alan McClure wrote:
> If you own a router you might be able to make a couple jigs that would
> allow you to true up almost any sized drum shell. Possibly even
> one that is not straight sided.

Al, that sounds like a pretty good idea. I think I can picture one (or more)
ways of making a jig to do the outside of the shell, but it seems like doing
the inner surface would be a bit more problematic. It could probably be done
in a drum of this size without too much trouble, but it might not be possible
with smaller (or deeper) drums. Of course, the smaller drums could just be
done on the lathe.

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"Howard Ruttan"

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

03/12/2003 1:26 PM


"Ken Vaughn" wrote in inresponse to...
>
> "Steve Turner" who wrote...
> > Can anybody who owns a Stanley or Record #20 or #113 tell me what the
> >>radius measurements are for the tightest curves these planes will
follow?
>
> This may not be very scientific, but I put my 113 on its side an drew
> intersecting perpendicular lines from the heel and toe. I get about 9
1/2"
> radius with the sole concave (planing a convex surface) and a little more,
> maybe 10" to 10 1/4" with the sole convex. I have never tried to plane
> anything this tight, so I can't comment on that aspect.

Sounds pretty close to my Stanley Victor 20 - I measured it out once and I
think it was around or just under 10" both ways. I just didn't write it
down.

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"Henry St.Pierre"

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

03/12/2003 10:01 PM

"Ken Vaughn" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:MTbzb.3375$%[email protected]...
>> Can anybody who owns a Stanley or Record #20 or #113 tell me what the
> radius
>> measurements are for the tightest curves these planes will follow?
>
> This may not be very scientific, but I put my 113 on its side an drew
> intersecting perpendicular lines from the heel and toe. I get about 9
> 1/2" radius with the sole concave (planing a convex surface) and a
> little more, maybe 10" to 10 1/4" with the sole convex. I have never
> tried to plane anything this tight, so I can't comment on that aspect.
>
> Ken Vaughn
>
>

Just went out to garage/shop and cranked the 113. Got pretty much the same
results as Ken. Never had a reason to plane at the extremes of the 113.
Regards,
Hank


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Steve Turner

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

04/12/2003 2:14 PM

Thanks guys. If any of you hang out over at rec.crafts.woodturning, you
probably know why I'm asking. Having been a drummer for most of my life
(since I was 10) I've always wanted to make some of my own drums. This
past weekend I put together the basic shell of a 14" snare drum from 20
staves of Mesquite, and I'm looking for the best way to true it up on
both the inside and outside surfaces. Short of spending two grand on a
new lathe big enough to handle the job, I've been toying with making a
couple of compass planes instead (somebody at r.c.w also suggested this
approach). I didn't think either the #20 or #113 would go that tight,
but I just thought I'd ask to be sure.

That new lathe is gonna justify itself yet! :-)

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KV

"Ken Vaughn"

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

04/12/2003 1:45 AM

"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I don't have one but logic dictates that the tightest
> radius would be roughly half the length of the plane's
> sole in min OD or min ID planing positions. It's probably
> in the 5-7" range.

The sole might bend that much without permanent deformation, but I doubt it.
But no matter, the radius is controlled by a screw mechanism (double screw
actually), and it doesn't have enough travel to even approach the 5" to 7"
range. 9" to 10" is a better figure.

Ken Vaughn

KV

"Ken Vaughn"

in reply to Steve Turner on 03/12/2003 2:29 AM

03/12/2003 4:09 PM


"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:MTbzb.3375$%[email protected]...
> Can anybody who owns a Stanley or Record #20 or #113 tell me what the
radius
> measurements are for the tightest curves these planes will follow?

This may not be very scientific, but I put my 113 on its side an drew
intersecting perpendicular lines from the heel and toe. I get about 9 1/2"
radius with the sole concave (planing a convex surface) and a little more,
maybe 10" to 10 1/4" with the sole convex. I have never tried to plane
anything this tight, so I can't comment on that aspect.

Ken Vaughn


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