What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
Thin tracing paper didn't work for me, and there seem to be so many
types of "rice paper" on the web. If someone would kindly let me know
the best paper for creating a clear background and possibly a source
for the paper, I would be greatly appreciative.
Thanks,
John
John Caldeira
Dallas, Texas, USA
http://www.outdoorplace.org/
transparency film for copiers?
BRuce
John Caldeira wrote:
> What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
> I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
> print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
> kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
>
> Thin tracing paper didn't work for me, and there seem to be so many
> types of "rice paper" on the web. If someone would kindly let me know
> the best paper for creating a clear background and possibly a source
> for the paper, I would be greatly appreciative.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> John Caldeira
> Dallas, Texas, USA
> http://www.outdoorplace.org/
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"Doug Miller" <[email protected]>
: It seems that a better idea might be to transfer the graphics directly to
the
: wood. There were a couple of threads within the last six months on various
: ways of doing this, most involving a laser printer to print the image, and
an
: iron to apply it to the wood.
Can anyone report that it satisfactorily works ? I've had a couple of tries,
both unsuccessful.
Ditto, using tee shirt printing material?
Jeff G
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Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK
Email address is username@ISP
username is amgron
ISP is clara.co.uk
Website www.amgron.clara.net
In article <[email protected]>, John Caldeira
<john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> writes:
>What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
>I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
>print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
>kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
>
Years ago we worked with an artist that was doing some R & D on a new product.
Images were printed onto a sheet with a special ink. It was a reversed image
onto a transfer sheet. It was planed to be used for the Skate Board Industry.
It must have worked because I've seen the result of the product on the market.
The end result was a very vivid color transfer to the object. You may want to
contact some custom skate board makers to find out the process if you come up
with nothing else. I'm sorry I don't have names or products but it had not been
patented at the time.
Roy
John Caldeira wrote:
> What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
> I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
> print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
> kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
I haven't used it, but from what I've read I'd try translucent vellum
tracing paper on some scrap to see if I liked the results.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Do a google search for decals or decal paper. A while back I did this and
found a couple of places that sell decal paper you can use your computer to
print a design on. Then just transfer the decal to your project and varnish
over it. Worked great for me. Cannot see the decal film, just the graphic.
Look at http://www.papilio.com
MB
"John Caldeira" <john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
> I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
> print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
> kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
>
> Thin tracing paper didn't work for me, and there seem to be so many
> types of "rice paper" on the web. If someone would kindly let me know
> the best paper for creating a clear background and possibly a source
> for the paper, I would be greatly appreciative.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> John Caldeira
> Dallas, Texas, USA
> http://www.outdoorplace.org/
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Go to a store that sells supplies for Tee Shirt printing, some office supply
stores carry the stuff. Get the transfer sheets that you print on with black
and white laser, colour laser or ink jet. Print your image on it reversed as
in mirrored. Then apply it to the wood and transfer with an iron set as per
instructions that come with the sheets. Then remove the sheet. This way you
will get a complete image printed on your wood.
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:28:35 GMT, John Caldeira
> <john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> wrote:
>
> >What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
>
> None of them. Best you'll get is translucency. OK to make lampshades,
> not enough for logos.
>
> >I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
> >print on it.
>
> I'd use acetate. You can buy overhead projector acetates that are
> printable by domestic laser or even inkjet printers. Try somewhere
> near a college and you can buy individual sheets, rather than a full
> box. Somewhere like Kinkos can usually colour laser onto such sheets.
> A sign printer may have thinner or more flexible sheet materials.
>
> I wouldn't use mylar. You can get it printed, but it's also a good
> release material for epoxy !
>
>
> Another option is waterslide transfers (remember plastic airplane
> kits) .
>
> Use 2" gummed paper parcel tape as a base.
>
> Make a small stencil with a rectangular slot in it, bigger than the
> logo. Use this to spray a couple of coats of thin varnish (or even
> hairspray) to build up a clear substrate on the _gummed_ side of the
> paper.
>
> When dry, draw your graphic onto the varnish.
>
> Another couple of coats of varnish. Try to keep the stencil aligned
> with the previous coats.
>
> When dry, apply as a normal water-slide transfer.
> --
> Smert' spamionam
In article <[email protected]>, John Caldeira <john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> wrote:
>What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
>I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
>print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
>kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
>
>Thin tracing paper didn't work for me, and there seem to be so many
>types of "rice paper" on the web. If someone would kindly let me know
>the best paper for creating a clear background and possibly a source
>for the paper, I would be greatly appreciative.
>
It seems that a better idea might be to transfer the graphics directly to the
wood. There were a couple of threads within the last six months on various
ways of doing this, most involving a laser printer to print the image, and an
iron to apply it to the wood. It shouldn't take long to turn this up with a
Google Groups search.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
[This followup was posted to rec.woodworking and a copy was sent to the
cited author.]
In article <[email protected]>,
john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org says...
> >"John Caldeira" <john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
> >> I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
> >> print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
> >> kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
Coming into this one late, so not sure if this was mentioned- if you
have access to a laser printer, you can reverse print the graphic and
then use the plain paper as an iron-off transfer. Works better on wood
than the t-shirt transfer papers or decals. You need a fresh printing-
less than 12 hours from print to transfer. Surface must be smooth, dust-
free, and dry. Iron should be hot, use a clean pillowcase as an
insulator over the paper.
I've only ever used the plain black toner for this, but color toners
MIGHT work also.
BTW- this is the powder toner, not liquid. The liquid toners do not work
for this.
hope this helps,
vic
Try the forum at clcboats.com.
I used to be an avid reader there while I built my kayak and saw
several conversations about doing graphics, many with pictures of the
outcome. I do remember many of them using a paper under epoxy, but I
can not recall what kind of paper it was. The CLC forum is an
excelent resource for kayak building, an the people there are open to
anyone whether you are building one of their plans or not. After all,
you may end up buying some of their other products, and having you in
the forum costs them nothing! Try searching the lgos, or reposting
the question.
Good luck!
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:28:35 GMT, John Caldeira
<john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> wrote:
>What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
None of them. Best you'll get is translucency. OK to make lampshades,
not enough for logos.
>I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
>print on it.
I'd use acetate. You can buy overhead projector acetates that are
printable by domestic laser or even inkjet printers. Try somewhere
near a college and you can buy individual sheets, rather than a full
box. Somewhere like Kinkos can usually colour laser onto such sheets.
A sign printer may have thinner or more flexible sheet materials.
I wouldn't use mylar. You can get it printed, but it's also a good
release material for epoxy !
Another option is waterslide transfers (remember plastic airplane
kits) .
Use 2" gummed paper parcel tape as a base.
Make a small stencil with a rectangular slot in it, bigger than the
logo. Use this to spray a couple of coats of thin varnish (or even
hairspray) to build up a clear substrate on the _gummed_ side of the
paper.
When dry, draw your graphic onto the varnish.
Another couple of coats of varnish. Try to keep the stencil aligned
with the previous coats.
When dry, apply as a normal water-slide transfer.
--
Smert' spamionam
John,
Please post your results as well as some pics if you can.
Im going to be doing a bar top in the next few months and have plans to do a
mural type design on the top.
So im going to be something similar - but on a bit larger scale.
Thanks
-Rob
"John Caldeira" <john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
> I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
> print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
> kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
>
> Thin tracing paper didn't work for me, and there seem to be so many
> types of "rice paper" on the web. If someone would kindly let me know
> the best paper for creating a clear background and possibly a source
> for the paper, I would be greatly appreciative.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> John Caldeira
> Dallas, Texas, USA
> http://www.outdoorplace.org/
Thanks, everyone, for the thoughtful replies. I'll experiment with
the decal paper first, but the t-shirt printing and vellum paper are
my back-up plans.
John C
"nevems2" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Do a google search for decals or decal paper. A while back I did this and
>found a couple of places that sell decal paper you can use your computer to
>print a design on. Then just transfer the decal to your project and varnish
>over it. Worked great for me. Cannot see the decal film, just the graphic.
>Look at http://www.papilio.com
>
>MB
>
>"John Caldeira" <john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> What kind of paper becomes transparent when wet with epoxy or varnish?
>> I want the paper to become a clear background for some graphics I will
>> print on it. These graphics will then be applied on top of wood (a
>> kayak), and covered with epoxy and/or varnish.
>>
>> Thin tracing paper didn't work for me, and there seem to be so many
>> types of "rice paper" on the web. If someone would kindly let me know
>> the best paper for creating a clear background and possibly a source
>> for the paper, I would be greatly appreciative.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Caldeira
>> Dallas, Texas, USA
>> http://www.outdoorplace.org/
>
>
>
>
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http://www.outdoorplace.org/