Shellac as a primer is great. Shellac adheres really well to almost
anything, and most finishes just love to stick to shellac.
In fact shellac is often used to get incompatible finishes to stick to
one another - like putting latex acrylic water-base over poly varnish.
Apply shellac as an intermediary, a binder layer - it sticks to the
varnish, and the latex sticks to the shellac. Works really well
jim mcnamara
Domingo Rose
On 06 Jul 2004 01:46:29 GMT, [email protected] (BUB 209) wrote:
>I've been using the Bin oilbase, but the quick drying time makes me suspicious.
BIN isn't oil based. It's shellac. It's also terrific stuff.
Barry
Zinsser products:
B-I-N® : white pigmented shellac primer/sealer
BULLS EYE® 1-2-3 : water-based universal primer/sealer
Cover-Stain® : oil-based universal primer/sealer
FYI
Brian.
"BUB 209" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >BIN isn't oil based. It's shellac. It's also terrific stuff.
>
> They've always made the shellac, but it's
> like Liquid Nails, 57 varieties of everything,
> there's an oil base too. And probably
> water base.
On 06 Jul 2004 11:56:24 GMT, [email protected] (BUB 209) wrote:
>>
>>BIN isn't oil based. It's shellac. It's also terrific stuff.
>
>They've always made the shellac, but it's
>like Liquid Nails, 57 varieties of everything,
>there's an oil base too. And probably
>water base.
BIN is a product. The manufacturer is Zinsser.
There's only one BIN, and it's pigmented shellac.
Barry
B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 06 Jul 2004 11:56:24 GMT, [email protected] (BUB 209) wrote:
>
>>>
>>>BIN isn't oil based. It's shellac. It's also terrific stuff.
>>
>>They've always made the shellac, but it's
>>like Liquid Nails, 57 varieties of everything,
>>there's an oil base too. And probably
>>water base.
>
>
> BIN is a product. The manufacturer is Zinsser.
>
> There's only one BIN, and it's pigmented shellac.
>
> Barry
>
And, thanks to this esteemed group of knowledgable folks, I checked the two
different cans of Zinsser primer on the shelf in the shop. Neither one was
BIN. And, after looking at their webpage, I determined that BIN was the
correct product to use.
$19.95/gal at the BORG. I'm priming this evening, when I can open the
windows, and let the breezes blow.
Reading this group may not always be a great use of time, but often enough,
it is. Thanks again, for answering someone else's question, in a way that
benefits many others.
Patriarch
In article <[email protected]>,
BUB 209 <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been using the Bin oilbase, but the quick drying time makes me suspicious.
>Otherwise it seems to be a nice, heavybodied product like some of the
>expensive shipyard surfacing primers, and it sands well. I'd hate to find out
>later that it's not a good product.
BIN is "*GOOD* SH*T"! <grin>
It's designed to go on, pretty much over _anything_.
The quick drying is just result of the carrier/vehicle/solvent it uses.
A mixture of _alcohol_and_ether_. Note: this stuff is =dangerous= in
enclosed spaces w/o *VERY* ADEQUATE ventilation.
The same manufacturer makes several related products, under the 'KILZ' label.
"KILZ Exterior", an oil-based primer for exterior (obviously:) use, is another
good product.
"KILZ 2" is the water-based line.
Reading the can on any of the KILZ products will get you a table of which
variety is good for what applications.
B a r r y wrote:
> On 06 Jul 2004 01:46:29 GMT, [email protected] (BUB 209) wrote:
>
>
>>I've been using the Bin oilbase, but the quick drying time makes me suspicious.
>
>
> BIN isn't oil based. It's shellac. It's also terrific stuff.
>
> Barry
WRONG! "BIN" comes in several "flavors". one is shellac.
dave
> I've been using the Bin oilbase, but the quick drying time makes me
suspicious.
> Otherwise it seems to be a nice, heavybodied product like some of the
> expensive shipyard surfacing primers, and it sands well. I'd hate to find
out
> later that it's not a good product.
Zinsser has an excellent rep. I just used their latex primer for a fence.
I was very impressed. Can't imagine their oil would disappoint. BIN, BTW,
is a shellac/alcohol based product. Good for sealing knots in wood.
BUB 209 wrote:
> I've been using the Bin oilbase, but the quick drying time makes me suspicious.
> Otherwise it seems to be a nice, heavybodied product like some of the
> expensive shipyard surfacing primers, and it sands well. I'd hate to find out
> later that it's not a good product.
the Bin stuff is all good! I've primed stucco and not
overcoated for more than 10 years and hardly any primer had
deteriorated. Performance on wood, left unpainted, is of
course much poorer, due to moisture infiltration and wood
movement. Can't speak for the relative qualities of similar
products, but you should NOT be worrying that BIN won't "cut
it". :)
dave
[email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snippage>
>
> The same manufacturer makes several related products, under the 'KILZ'
> label.
>
> "KILZ Exterior", an oil-based primer for exterior (obviously:) use, is
> another good product.
>
> "KILZ 2" is the water-based line.
>
> Reading the can on any of the KILZ products will get you a table of
> which variety is good for what applications.
>
I believe, after looking briefly at the websites, that these are two
competing companies, with different ownership.
Both are good product lines, however.
Patriarch
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> BIN is "*GOOD* SH*T"! <grin>
>
> It's designed to go on, pretty much over _anything_.
>
> The quick drying is just result of the carrier/vehicle/solvent it uses.
> A mixture of _alcohol_and_ether_. Note: this stuff is =dangerous= in
> enclosed spaces w/o *VERY* ADEQUATE ventilation.
>
>
> The same manufacturer makes several related products, under the 'KILZ'
label.
>
> "KILZ Exterior", an oil-based primer for exterior (obviously:) use, is
another
> good product.
>
> "KILZ 2" is the water-based line.
>
> Reading the can on any of the KILZ products will get you a table of which
> variety is good for what applications.
>
B-I-N does not contain any ethers. None are listed on the can or in the
MSDS. It does contain denatured ethanol (from adding methanol and
isopropanol). There may be a trace of methyl isobutyl ketone but it is only
listed in the TSCA section of the MSDS which makes me think there is about
1% of it.
Perhaps you were thinking of KILZ.
One should still use B-I-N in a well ventilated area but there is no
need to be paranoid. Check out the MSDS and you'll see that B-I-N is much
safer than you might think. I'd be much more worried about lacquer fumes.
In article <[email protected]>,
Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> BIN is "*GOOD* SH*T"! <grin>
>>
>> It's designed to go on, pretty much over _anything_.
>>
>> The quick drying is just result of the carrier/vehicle/solvent it uses.
>> A mixture of _alcohol_and_ether_. Note: this stuff is =dangerous= in
>> enclosed spaces w/o *VERY* ADEQUATE ventilation.
>>
>>
>> The same manufacturer makes several related products, under the 'KILZ'
>label.
>>
>> "KILZ Exterior", an oil-based primer for exterior (obviously:) use, is
>another
>> good product.
>>
>> "KILZ 2" is the water-based line.
>>
>> Reading the can on any of the KILZ products will get you a table of which
>> variety is good for what applications.
>>
>
> B-I-N does not contain any ethers.
I had to go out to a store to check, not having any on hand. It does appear
that the formulation has changed. Circa 20 years ago, ether was _definitely_
present. It has an _unmistakable_ odor. :)
> None are listed on the can or in the
>MSDS. It does contain denatured ethanol (from adding methanol and
>isopropanol). There may be a trace of methyl isobutyl ketone but it is only
>listed in the TSCA section of the MSDS which makes me think there is about
>1% of it.
> Perhaps you were thinking of KILZ.
Definitely not. I discovered KILZ many years after experiencing B-I-N. <grin>