Come late each November
I'm called to remember
The day that Jack Kennedy died
We were sitting at school
When we heard some mad fool
Killed Our President
All of us cried
The bus home was silent
We thought of the violent
And hideous act that was done
We were so young
And so horribly stung
And a terrible pain was inside
The next several days
Were a nightmarish haze
Of black and white images keening
As on our TV
In the land of the free
Came a story that tried to give meaning
To a meaningless act
And the life changing fact
That no one nor nothing is safe
To a meaningless act
And the life changing fact
That no one nor nothing is safe
Neither whisper nor shout was heard all about
As the drums beat their slow deadly cadence
The riderless horse and the caissons slow course
Through the streets of democracy's radiance
The pall in the air and the backwards turned boots
The heartbreaking sight of a young son's salute
'Twas more than a great nation's children could stand
And even though now that I say I'm a man
I've still got a tear in my eye at this time
Still look for a reason and try to make rhyme
And reason of what on that November day
Went out of this child
And the whole USA.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
I was 20 years old, in the middle of Lake Maricaibo, Venezuela and we had a
dickens of a time finding out what was going on. Tried tuning into VOA about
2 AM when the short waves started skipping, but could barely pick up every
other word. It was a good three days before we got most of the story and
confirmed the fact that Kennedy was indeed dead. During that three day
period we actually came under attack by Indians on the very south end of the
lake, part of a communist conspiracy to steal our seismograph explosives
... that took our mind off the whole JFK affair for a day or two.
It was Christmas eve '63 before I got the story in it's entirety.... amazing
how much global communications have changed, just in my lifetime.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 9/21/03
"Tom Watson" wrote in message
>
> We were so young
> And so horribly stung
> And a terrible pain was inside
"Jon Endres, PE" wrote:
> This is really weird.
>
> I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked senders
> list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think of
> it.
<snip>
I didn't get the original post either, although I do get about half of Tom's
posts. I too have checked my filters and have gone as far as disabling
"NewsProxy" to see if I was filtering his domain.
Tom are you posting via two different ISP's?
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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There are points in our lives that change us.
For me it began with the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was a high school
student in the Panama Canal Zone - the high school being about
a mile from a designated nuclear target, and U2 planes flying over
the school on take off and landing - "taking air samples over Cuba",
around the clock.
The Canal Zone was the HQ for USARCARIB (US Armed forces CARIBbean)
and the tension was palpable. Humanity came terribly close to
extinction during those few days. How close we've only learned
recently. All those air raid drills we grew up with seemed pretty
pointless.
The Civics class teacher entering the classroom - face pale,
struggling for words and ways to tell us our president had
been shot and killed. Living in Latin America, presidents and
generals were assassinated often enough to seem not unusual
- President Ramon of Panama, Somoza- the military dictator
of Guatemala or Nicaragua or some other Central American
country. But that didn't happen in the United States - we
were different. But we weren't and we aren't. We're a little
more "sophisticated" and often don't have actual physical
assassinations - we just assassinate reputations and character.
But I digress.
And when hope returned - Harvey Milk and Mayor Moscone were
assassinated by a former San Francisco supervisor and former
policeman - in City Hall. Realing from that one, another
blow - Jonestown, Gueanna (sp?). And then Bobby Kennedy and
Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated.
Perhaps we weren't any different than "those places" where
leaders and dreamers and poets and peace makers died
suddenly and violently because they posed a real or perceived
threat to "someone".
Hinkley shoots Raegen (I'm still not sure how to spell his
name and he was the governor of my state and president of
my country - mental block I guess) - to impress Foster? Has
the world gone mad? (Anyone remember Jim Brady - another
victim of that day?)
Who knows how many kids died of gun shot wounds in drive
bys or stabbed to death at or near school or in front of
their houses. Their deaths went unnoticed. But when
middle class white boys coldly and methodically blow
away classmates and teachers - in the school - we sat up
and took notice - at least for a while. How could this
happen? Why did this happen? Who is to blame? Something
must be done!
But it's happened enough since then to no longer be as
shocking, or noteworthy.
We're a relatively young country and perhaps we'll grow
out of it. Maybe our vocabulary will change as we
mature. Maybe "war" will gain back the meaning it
has for those who fought the war we call World War II.
And maybe we won't throw the term around quite so
lightly as we have with our "war on poverty" (HUH!?),
"war on drugs" and now "war on terrorists/terrorism".
Well, let's try "war on campaign financing" and then
get back to the word's true meaning.
In the mean time, let's all try, if only briefly, to
be more considerate of others, to lend a helping
hand or provide a comforting word when it's needed.
The big events stick in our minds - but it's the
little day to day things we do that make tomorrow
a little better or a little worse than yesterday - for
all of us. Things change one person at a time. What're
you going to do tomorrow?
Donning his Nomex suit he said - "Ya'll take care now."
charlie b
charlie b writes:
>For me it began with the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was a high school
>student in the Panama Canal Zone -
I was a former Marine ad writer for a small agency in NYC, absolutely sure we'd
be called up. Didn't happen. Kennedy's death didn't really penetrate for some
time...like many others, I felt it was impossible, that kind of thing didn't
happen here (comes of paying too little attention to history). I quit working
and went back to college shortly afterwards, amid what seemed a deluge of high
publicity murders. The '60s were truly a tumultuous time and the '70s, at least
early on, no calmer.
>Hinkley shoots Raegen (I'm still not sure how to spell his
>name and he was the governor of my state and president of
>my country - mental block I guess) - to impress Foster? Has
>the world gone mad? (Anyone remember Jim Brady - another
>victim of that day?)
It's Raygun, the president with the most unindicted co-conspirators ever Jim
Brady's name was pretty well kept in front of the country by Sarah Brady. In
fact, that's only seemed to fade in the past couple years.
>We're a relatively young country and perhaps we'll grow
>out of it. Maybe our vocabulary will change as we
>mature. Maybe "war" will gain back the meaning it
>has for those who fought the war we call World War II.
>And maybe we won't throw the term around quite so
>lightly as we have
A good start would be re-naming the Department of Defense the Department of
War. A quick look at history shows a much higher scale of adventurism in
government since the DOW became the DOD after WWII.
Charlie Self
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages
of making a disagreeable person keep his distance." Ambrose Bierce
I was 11 and I was standing in my 4th grade classroom when news cazme
over speakers. When you gpo back and look at history, It seems to me
as though it has always been tumultuous and a lot of that has to do
with a persons values, ideals and morality. I grew up in the drug
years but since I was so against them I never noticed how prevalent
they reallly were until I looked back. To me, RIGHT NOW is tumultuous
time since it seems as though we about to start re-living VietNam all
over again. Funny, the US gained it's independence through the same
warfare we are trying to fight against. It worked for us; why won't it
work for the Iraqi's?
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:32:52 GMT, Mark <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>Charlie Self wrote:
>
>> The '60s were truly a tumultuous time and the '70s, at least
>> early on, no calmer.
>>
>
>
>I was 5 when Kennedy was assassinated. I remember the TV being on and
>Mom crying her eyes out.
>
>
>The 60's and 70's all seemed quite normal to me. But then I had no other
>frame of reference.
Charlie Self wrote:
> The '60s were truly a tumultuous time and the '70s, at least
> early on, no calmer.
>
I was 5 when Kennedy was assassinated. I remember the TV being on and
Mom crying her eyes out.
The 60's and 70's all seemed quite normal to me. But then I had no other
frame of reference.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Mark responds:
>> The '60s were truly a tumultuous time and the '70s, at least
>> early on, no calmer.
>>
>
>
>I was 5 when Kennedy was assassinated. I remember the TV being on and
>Mom crying her eyes out.
>
>
>The 60's and 70's all seemed quite normal to me. But then I had no other
>frame of reference.
Yes, well I was a teenager during the '50s, and there was an appreciable
difference in the decades.
Charlie Self
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. "
Ronald Reagan
I was walking along 42nd St and Broadway in New York City when the
news flashed on the TVs in a store front window. In minutes the
street was impassable with all the folks trying to listen and see what
was going on.
I was at a United States Coast Guard Reserve meeting the Saturday or
was it Sunday, that Oswald was shot. We were just sitting down to the
mid day meal when it happened. We could not believe it!
That was some circus in Texas, sigh.
Until JFk was in the ground, the whole country seemed to be moving in
slow motion.......
No matter your personal views of his politics, sexual behaviour, it
was a sad time for this country. And perhaps a harbinger of things to
come. No one is safe anywhere, any more.
Ya can't stop living, ya just gotta put things like JFK, WTC, Iraq, in
a separate section of your mind and keep living for yourself and those
YOU care about.
It is IMOOP* all a matter of perspective.
*In My Opinionated Opinion
Folla?
Tales of a Boatbuilder Apprentice
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/djf3rd/
On 21 Nov 2003 18:05:53 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Yes, well I was a teenager during the '50s,
Geezer.
Michael
a vim & vigorous youthful...<sigh>... 49.
"Lawrence A. Ramsey" wrote in message
> Funny, the US gained it's independence through the same
> warfare we are trying to fight against.
Don't quite understand what you mean with "... the same warfare we are
trying to fight against"?
> It worked for us; why won't it
> work for the Iraqi's?
It is clearly too late to beat breast's over spilt milk, let's move on to
today.
Could it possibly be that the answer to your question is that the Iraqi's
clearly need _help_ if they hope to beome a democracy, just like we had?
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 9/21/03
Tom Watson wrote:
> I use two different news servers because one or the other always seems
> to be down or slow. My primary is news.snip.net, which runs through
> my ISP (although I don't know who their provider is) the backup (which
> I'm on right now) is teranews.
>
That's what I suspected. I get the post from "TeraNews". I don't see the posts
from "snip.net".
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Tom Watson wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:08:20 GMT, Nova <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >That's what I suspected. I get the post from "TeraNews". I don't see the posts
> >from "snip.net".
>
> Why do you think that would be?
I agree with Scott that Adelphia is not getting the feed from "Snip.net". Up until a
few weeks ago I was using a Verizon DSL and got all your posts. I noticed the
problem shortly after switching to Adelphia's PowerLink. It doesn't surprise me
though. Just getting the Adelphia's NNTP server address from their tech support was
like pulling teeth ("nobody uses news groups")... but for $3.50 per month I guess
I'll have to live with it.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Tom Watson wrote:
>
> Come late each November
> I'm called to remember
> The day that Jack Kennedy died
>
> We were sitting at school
> When we heard some mad fool
> Killed Our President
> All of us cried
<snip>
Thanks Tom, that was great.
I was in 11th grade, in a 3 hr. long Industrial Drafting class, IIRC I
was working on plans for some papermill vats/mixers. At that age I was
finally paying attention to some of the political goings on in the world
and really liked JFK. I know it hit all of us hard and Thanksgiving
wasn't quite the same that year. If there was one thing I could ask him
today it would have to be "Why in the HELL did you pick LBJ for your
VP?" There was one waste of skin!
Scott
--
An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms
up later, the damage remains.
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:18:05 GMT, Nova <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Jon Endres, PE" wrote:
>
>> This is really weird.
>>
>> I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked senders
>> list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think of
>> it.
>
><snip>
>
>I didn't get the original post either, although I do get about half of Tom's
>posts. I too have checked my filters and have gone as far as disabling
>"NewsProxy" to see if I was filtering his domain.
>
>Tom are you posting via two different ISP's?
I use two different news servers because one or the other always seems
to be down or slow. My primary is news.snip.net, which runs through
my ISP (although I don't know who their provider is) the backup (which
I'm on right now) is teranews.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:08:20 GMT, Nova <[email protected]>
wrote:
>That's what I suspected. I get the post from "TeraNews". I don't see the posts
>from "snip.net".
Why do you think that would be?
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
This happens to me with others' posts also.
On "Google Groups Help" I notice that you are able to 1) keep your
posts from being archived, and 2) remove your posts (see:
http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/help.html#prevent)
Perhaps Tom has chosen one of those preferences?
H.
"Jon Endres, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Clap, Clap, Clap, Very Nice Tom
>
> This is really weird.
>
> I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked senders
> list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think of
> it. There's only two wreck regulars (more like whackos) on the list, and
> Tom sure doesn't fit the criteria for that. So, any ideas? Is there a
> setting in Outlook Express I might be missing?
>
> Jon E
Here on the other side of the world, I remember watching through a store
window from the street with Mum and Dad. A huge crowd had gathered and were
just standing there in the street, people abandoned their cars and walked
over to see what was happening, it was, indeed, surreal.
Greg
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message.
> Come late each November
> I'm called to remember
> The day that Jack Kennedy died
>
> We were sitting at school
> When we heard some mad fool
> Killed Our President
> All of us cried
>
> The bus home was silent
> We thought of the violent
> And hideous act that was done
>
> We were so young
> And so horribly stung
> And a terrible pain was inside
>
> The next several days
> Were a nightmarish haze
> Of black and white images keening
>
> As on our TV
> In the land of the free
> Came a story that tried to give meaning
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
>
>
> Neither whisper nor shout was heard all about
> As the drums beat their slow deadly cadence
> The riderless horse and the caissons slow course
> Through the streets of democracy's radiance
>
> The pall in the air and the backwards turned boots
> The heartbreaking sight of a young son's salute
> 'Twas more than a great nation's children could stand
> And even though now that I say I'm a man
>
> I've still got a tear in my eye at this time
> Still look for a reason and try to make rhyme
> And reason of what on that November day
> Went out of this child
> And the whole USA.
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:07:19 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE"
<[email protected]> brought forth from
the murky depths:
>
>"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Clap, Clap, Clap, Very Nice Tom
>
>This is really weird.
>
>I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked senders
>list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think of
>it. There's only two wreck regulars (more like whackos) on the list, and
>Tom sure doesn't fit the criteria for that. So, any ideas? Is there a
>setting in Outlook Express I might be missing?
If I'm not one of those whackos you described, try looking
in the menu at Tools/Message Rules/News for additional filters.
Also check with your host to see that they're not filtering
the entire host Tom's on, voicenet or the alias "spamkiller.net".
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"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Civics class teacher entering the classroom - face pale,
> struggling for words and ways to tell us our president had
> been shot and killed. Living in Latin America, presidents and
> generals were assassinated often enough to seem not unusual
> - President Ramon of Panama, Somoza- the military dictator
> of Guatemala or Nicaragua or some other Central American
> country. But that didn't happen in the United States - we
> were different.
I guess, if you ignore the shootings of Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln,
James Garfield and William McInley.
<g>
Clap, Clap, Clap, Very Nice Tom
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Come late each November
> I'm called to remember
> The day that Jack Kennedy died
>
> We were sitting at school
> When we heard some mad fool
> Killed Our President
> All of us cried
>
> The bus home was silent
> We thought of the violent
> And hideous act that was done
>
> We were so young
> And so horribly stung
> And a terrible pain was inside
>
> The next several days
> Were a nightmarish haze
> Of black and white images keening
>
> As on our TV
> In the land of the free
> Came a story that tried to give meaning
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
>
>
> Neither whisper nor shout was heard all about
> As the drums beat their slow deadly cadence
> The riderless horse and the caissons slow course
> Through the streets of democracy's radiance
>
> The pall in the air and the backwards turned boots
> The heartbreaking sight of a young son's salute
> 'Twas more than a great nation's children could stand
> And even though now that I say I'm a man
>
> I've still got a tear in my eye at this time
> Still look for a reason and try to make rhyme
> And reason of what on that November day
> Went out of this child
> And the whole USA.
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Well done, Tom.
That day is seared forever in my memory. I was in high school watching a
play as was the entire student body. Our principal broke the news to
us at the moment the play ended, for he didn't want to disrupt they
play. We rode home in stunned disbelief and silence, angry when the
playful, yelling grammar school kids who got on the school bus a few
minutes later. Their talking and laughing was an affront to our grief.
I'll never forget the little boy saluting his daddy as the procession
came abreast of him and Jackie...and the mournful sound of the drums
beating a slow cadence.
dave
Tom Watson wrote:
> Come late each November
> I'm called to remember
> The day that Jack Kennedy died
>
> We were sitting at school
> When we heard some mad fool
> Killed Our President
> All of us cried
>
> The bus home was silent
> We thought of the violent
> And hideous act that was done
>
> We were so young
> And so horribly stung
> And a terrible pain was inside
>
> The next several days
> Were a nightmarish haze
> Of black and white images keening
>
> As on our TV
> In the land of the free
> Came a story that tried to give meaning
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
>
>
> Neither whisper nor shout was heard all about
> As the drums beat their slow deadly cadence
> The riderless horse and the caissons slow course
> Through the streets of democracy's radiance
>
> The pall in the air and the backwards turned boots
> The heartbreaking sight of a young son's salute
> 'Twas more than a great nation's children could stand
> And even though now that I say I'm a man
>
> I've still got a tear in my eye at this time
> Still look for a reason and try to make rhyme
> And reason of what on that November day
> Went out of this child
> And the whole USA.
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
It has been said many times that if you are old enough to remember this
event you will never forget where you were and what you were doing.
Without going through all the details, I was part of a 26 week live TV game
show which was a pilot for what was to become a national game show. There
were 3 of us on camera, the emcee, the obligatory pretty young lady in a
short skirt who ran the board (sort of a 60's Vanna White), and myself, the
resident geek. What made this game different was that a computer was used
to play each of the 25,000 or so card formats simultaneously. This allowed
the producer to have some control on the number of winners, and get a list
of the winning card numbers to verify the winners who called in. The game
was televised in Denver, and the set had an elaborate computer complete with
a massive console and tape drives in the background. It was all fake. The
only thing which was real was my headset and a phone line to Los Angeles,
where the real computer was located. I took directions from the director
via the head set, and also used it to communicate with a computer operator
in LA.
Just before the final commercial break, the operator in LA became very
excited and I thought that the computer had "gone down" -- this happened a
lot, and we had a hot standby in San Francisco to complete the game. She
told me that she had a radio in the computer room, and that the local news
was reporting that the President was dead. I quietly asked the director if
this was true, but he knew nothing of it. Seconds later we hit the break,
and I informed the emcee of what I knew -- there was still no conformation
on the local news lines. We finished the show, but by then it had become
known to the news room what had happened. I will never forget the awesome
feeling of responsibility that overcame me because of what I knew and what
should I do about it.
--
Ken Vaughn
Visit My Workshop: http://home.earthlink.net/~kvaughn65/
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Come late each November
> I'm called to remember
> The day that Jack Kennedy died
>
> We were sitting at school
> When we heard some mad fool
> Killed Our President
> All of us cried
>
> The bus home was silent
> We thought of the violent
> And hideous act that was done
>
> We were so young
> And so horribly stung
> And a terrible pain was inside
>
> The next several days
> Were a nightmarish haze
> Of black and white images keening
>
> As on our TV
> In the land of the free
> Came a story that tried to give meaning
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
> To a meaningless act
> And the life changing fact
> That no one nor nothing is safe
>
>
>
> Neither whisper nor shout was heard all about
> As the drums beat their slow deadly cadence
> The riderless horse and the caissons slow course
> Through the streets of democracy's radiance
>
> The pall in the air and the backwards turned boots
> The heartbreaking sight of a young son's salute
> 'Twas more than a great nation's children could stand
> And even though now that I say I'm a man
>
> I've still got a tear in my eye at this time
> Still look for a reason and try to make rhyme
> And reason of what on that November day
> Went out of this child
> And the whole USA.
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Clap, Clap, Clap, Very Nice Tom
This is really weird.
I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked senders
list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think of
it. There's only two wreck regulars (more like whackos) on the list, and
Tom sure doesn't fit the criteria for that. So, any ideas? Is there a
setting in Outlook Express I might be missing?
Jon E
On 21 Nov 2003, Tom Watson spake unto rec.woodworking:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:08:20 GMT, Nova <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>That's what I suspected. I get the post from "TeraNews". I don't see
>>the posts from "snip.net".
>
> Why do you think that would be?
Maybe that's why it's called "Snip.net"?
The Adelphia server misses the snip.net posts, too, but the Teranews
server seems to catch both. I usually read from the Adelphia server, and
often don't see your posts until someone quotes you.
Swingman writes:
>Perspective is what makes cynics of old farts ... they see how much things
>have changed, which is not apparent to those who don't have it.
Too true. For a good example, watch tonight's Jeopardy with top college
students vying for 50K.
Stuff we lived through that they don't know happened is astonishing.
Given the level of teaching of historyin our high schools, I'm no surprised.
The youngest, about 10 years ago, didn't even know what Nam was, never mind
Korea. Some very, very vague knowledge of WWII, and absolutely no concept of
HUAC or Tailgunner Joe, amongst others.
The current college student crop, including those studying history, seem to
share the lack.
Charlie Self
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages
of making a disagreeable person keep his distance." Ambrose Bierce
Charlie Self wrote:
> was, never mind Korea. Some very, very vague knowledge of WWII, and
> absolutely no concept of HUAC or Tailgunner Joe, amongst others.
Who? :)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > was, never mind Korea. Some very, very vague knowledge of WWII, and
> > absolutely no concept of HUAC or Tailgunner Joe, amongst others.
>
> Who? :)
>
>
Funny thing about HUAC and Joe, after the Soviet Union fell and many
KGB files were made available, guess what? A lot of those folks really
were communists.
On 21 Nov 2003 13:37:01 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Too true. For a good example, watch tonight's Jeopardy with top college
>students vying for 50K.
>
>Stuff we lived through that they don't know happened is astonishing.
I find it amazing that the questions for the college students are
easier than those for the regular shows.
Cape Cod Bob notes:
>>Too true. For a good example, watch tonight's Jeopardy with top college
>>students vying for 50K.
>>
>>Stuff we lived through that they don't know happened is astonishing.
>
>I find it amazing that the questions for the college students are
>easier than those for the regular shows.
True enough, except for the music and other entertainment categories, full of
bands I've never heard of...but so are the airwaves. Just finished driving 650
miles and next time will take some tapes. The music selection is pitiful. Of
course, my taste is limited: I dislike current country, crap, most rock after
the '60s, find today's jazz sounds like cacophonous shit.
Charlie Self
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. "
Ronald Reagan
Charlie Self wrote:
> driving 650 miles and next time will take some tapes. The music selection
> is pitiful. Of course, my taste is limited: I dislike current country,
> crap, most rock after the '60s, find today's jazz sounds like cacophonous
> shit.
I got tired of trying to carry enough CDs to keep things interesting, and
almost all of the music stations of every flavor everywhere suck, so I
started listening to NPR one day. Now I plan station changes the way some
would plan rest stops. Go from 89.1 to 90.7 then 88.1 then 91.5 then 88.5,
then a different 91.5, then back to 89.1 and home. I prefer the "NPR News"
or "News and Classical" stations, and avoid the all-music stations as much
as possible.
Guess I need to get a cardigan now, or a tweed jacket. :)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > driving 650 miles and next time will take some tapes. The music selection
> > is pitiful. Of course, my taste is limited: I dislike current country,
> > crap, most rock after the '60s, find today's jazz sounds like cacophonous
> > shit.
>
> I got tired of trying to carry enough CDs to keep things interesting, and
> almost all of the music stations of every flavor everywhere suck, so I
> started listening to NPR one day. Now I plan station changes the way some
> would plan rest stops. Go from 89.1 to 90.7 then 88.1 then 91.5 then 88.5,
> then a different 91.5, then back to 89.1 and home. I prefer the "NPR News"
> or "News and Classical" stations, and avoid the all-music stations as much
> as possible.
So what do you do for balance?
>
> Guess I need to get a cardigan now, or a tweed jacket. :)
>
... and a pipe. Oops, forgot, NPR is PC, so smoking is out -- unless
of course you are smoking something else (purely for medical purposes of
course). :-)
>
Ditto. Do you like "old country", say "old" as in Western Swing? If so, go
to:
www.wildriverband.com
Let me know if you do ... I can make some arrangements. ;>)
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"Charlie Self" wrote in message
> course, my taste is limited: I dislike current country, crap, most rock
after
> the '60s, find today's jazz sounds like cacophonous shit.
Swingman responds:
>Ditto. Do you like "old country", say "old" as in Western Swing? If so, go
>to:
>
>www.wildriverband.com
>
>Let me know if you do ... I can make some arrangements. ;>)
I'll give it a try. That's Will Self's favorite music, or one of them. He's a
musician when he's not a mathemetician, so I've been looking for some CDs to
send him while he recuperates from getting whacked by a truck.
Doesn't pay to walk to work these days.
Charlie Self
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. "
Ronald Reagan
Using "karlc" and the wildriverband.com domain name, send me his (or yours,
if you want it to come from you) snail mail address and I'll make sure a
comp copy of the new CD goes out in tomorrow's mail.
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"Charlie Self" wrote in message
> Swingman responds:
>
> >Ditto. Do you like "old country", say "old" as in Western Swing? If so,
go
> >to:
> >
> >www.wildriverband.com
> >
> >Let me know if you do ... I can make some arrangements. ;>)
>
> I'll give it a try. That's Will Self's favorite music, or one of them.
He's a
> musician when he's not a mathemetician, so I've been looking for some CDs
to
> send him while he recuperates from getting whacked by a truck.
>
> Doesn't pay to walk to work these days.
Swingman notes:
>Using "karlc" and the wildriverband.com domain name, send me his (or yours,
>if you want it to come from you) snail mail address and I'll make sure a
>comp copy of the new CD goes out in tomorrow's mail.
I sent my address: it will still come from you guys, though. I just can't
locate the address at the moment.
Many thanks.
Charlie Self
"Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the
frog dies of it." E. B. White
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:39:02 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>There are points in our lives that change us.
--snip of lotsa good stuff, and it's "Reagan", BTW--
While sitting in school, watching the news report on
the TV (in the classroom on LRAFB, Arkansas) of JFK that
sad, sad day, I found reality a bit harsher than I wanted
to handle. An hour later, teary bus drivers were escorting
all of us home to teary mothers while our fathers were all
on high alert. Ten-year-olds shouldn't have to go through
that.
>We're a relatively young country and perhaps we'll grow
>out of it. Maybe our vocabulary will change as we
>mature. Maybe "war" will gain back the meaning it
>has for those who fought the war we call World War II.
>And maybe we won't throw the term around quite so
>lightly as we have with our "war on poverty" (HUH!?),
>"war on drugs" and now "war on terrorists/terrorism".
Let's spend that "war on drugs" money on feeding and
housing our huddled masses and stop this foolish "war
on terrorism" which ain't even close to being achievable.
We're all more aware and will catch many of the bad guys
_without_ the loss of all our liberties, rights, and cash.
>Well, let's try "war on campaign financing" and then
>get back to the word's true meaning.
Hear, hear!
>In the mean time, let's all try, if only briefly, to
>be more considerate of others, to lend a helping
>hand or provide a comforting word when it's needed.
>The big events stick in our minds - but it's the
>little day to day things we do that make tomorrow
>a little better or a little worse than yesterday - for
>all of us. Things change one person at a time. What're
>you going to do tomorrow?
Excellent idea. I'll go cheer up a neighbor whose diabetic
wife is in the hospital (2 weeks now) with anemia +++.
>Donning his Nomex suit he said - "Ya'll take care now."
Joining you there, cb.
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"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Come late each November
> I'm called to remember
> The day that Jack Kennedy died
<snip of wonderful poem>
A keeper as always Tom!
Nahmie
I hate even to think about it. I was just out of school, full of piss
and vinegar, leavened with a heavy dose of optimism. Even so, I was
doing inertial navigation magic for a cruise missle that could take out
an orphanage in downtown Havana (gallows humor). A good friend told me
the news and we went to a bar that had a TV. JFK was my first vote. He
may not have been the best president, but then we'll never know. My how
we went downhill from there to here.
gloom,
jo4hn
UseNet ain't what it used to be. Apparently many ISP's are having a hard
time finding sysadmin's smart enough to run nntp servers. I'm using a pay
service (MegaNetNews), and I also monitor the forum occasionally using my
ISP's nntp servers ... they never agree on message counts. You miss a whole
bunch of posts either way you go.
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"Jon Endres, PE" wrote in message
> I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked senders
> list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think of
> it. There's only two wreck regulars (more like whackos) on the list, and
> Tom sure doesn't fit the criteria for that. So, any ideas? Is there a
> setting in Outlook Express I might be missing?
Swingman wrote:
> service (MegaNetNews), and I also monitor the forum occasionally using my
> ISP's nntp servers ... they never agree on message counts. You miss a
> whole bunch of posts either way you go.
I run leafnode, which is a local news server for Linux. I have it set to
pull articles from three different upstream sources, and I *still* miss
tons of posts.
This whole subject is probably revealing of the Wreck age gap. JFK getting
shot is just another historical factoid to me.
We whippersnappers have our own memorable milestones. Off hand, I can think
of two events that were so shocking I can remember where I was when I heard
about them.
* Gorbachev getting ousted, with the implication that the Evil Commie Empire
was about to collapse... I was sitting on the couch (in my parents house)
eating green seedless grapes.
* September 11th. Savannah, GA, just off Montgomery Cross Rd. Customer
came in late babbling about airplanes hitting the World Trade Center. Yeah
right. Then I turned on the radio, and spent the next seven hours driving
home listening to the unending news. It was like in that movie "The Day
the Earth Stood Still." I hope I never see anything so surreal as that
again. Ever.
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Well That answers a question that has been nagging me that I have not yet
asked, because Isometimes see the answer's to someones post but not the
original post.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> UseNet ain't what it used to be. Apparently many ISP's are having a hard
> time finding sysadmin's smart enough to run nntp servers. I'm using a pay
> service (MegaNetNews), and I also monitor the forum occasionally using my
> ISP's nntp servers ... they never agree on message counts. You miss a
whole
> bunch of posts either way you go.
>
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>
> "Jon Endres, PE" wrote in message
>
>
> > I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked
senders
> > list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think
of
> > it. There's only two wreck regulars (more like whackos) on the list,
and
> > Tom sure doesn't fit the criteria for that. So, any ideas? Is there a
> > setting in Outlook Express I might be missing?
>
>
"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:07:19 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE"
> <[email protected]> brought forth from
> the murky depths:
>
> >
> >"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Clap, Clap, Clap, Very Nice Tom
> >
> >This is really weird.
> >
> >I don't ever get Tom's posts, even though I've checked my blocked senders
> >list and he ain't on it. Don't think he'd ever be on it, come to think
of
> >it. There's only two wreck regulars (more like whackos) on the list, and
> >Tom sure doesn't fit the criteria for that. So, any ideas? Is there a
> >setting in Outlook Express I might be missing?
>
> If I'm not one of those whackos you described, try looking
> in the menu at Tools/Message Rules/News for additional filters.
>
> Also check with your host to see that they're not filtering
> the entire host Tom's on, voicenet or the alias "spamkiller.net".
The host is not getting one of two news servers Tom posts from. Simple.
And I won't be able to change Adelphia's mind either.
No you ain't one o' them whackos. You can probably guess at least one.
He's probably on 90% of the wreck's kill filters.
Jon
charlie b wrote:
> all of us. Things change one person at a time. What're
> you going to do tomorrow?
Gonna make some sawdust and shavings and splinters, and maybe a couple
pieces of something useful too. :)
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