1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
the driver?!?!?!?
Thank you, Grizzly!
3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted.
Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
their bad service.
At least I picked up a nice Vaughn hammer at Fleet Farm, for $14.
Anti-vibe this and fiberglass that, give me a good piece of hickory any day.
The R Man
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:29:07 -0700, Wes Stewart <n7ws@_arrl.net>
wrote:
>In AZ, the tax is really on the seller, although they are allowed to
>pass it through to the buyer. Sort of like the Mafia types running
>Qwest (oops sorry, I'm giving the Mafia a bad name.) They have some
>"taxes" that they pass through, with a substantial markup, that they
>claim are "authorized" by the FCC. The inference is that they are
>"required" by the FCC to collect from the customer. In fact, the fee
>is assessed by the FCC on Qwest, not the customer.
Every tax on every business is always and exclusively passed on to the
consumer in one way or another. You cannot tax businesses, only
people. If a business doesn't pass the tax on to the consumer they
pass it on to their stockholders. Taxes *always* stop at some person.
Think about this carefully, misunderstanding of this basic fact is
part of the reason we have such a messed up tax system in this
country. (U.S.) Other countries may have their own messed up tax
systems, but I'm not familiar with them.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
prsyscon writes:
>
>1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
>shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
No idea what's happening, but I get the feeling Amazon does a lot of drop-ship
orders. That takes extra time.
>2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
>isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
>And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
>the driver?!?!?!?
>Thank you, Grizzly!
Armor plate wouldn't be enough for some of the handling crates get. Why do you
jump Grizzly for a stated policy of the carrier? That's standard and it's also
stated on most order bills that you have to arrange for help if you wish it, or
pay extra for a tailgate lift.
>3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
>word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted
A whole week? A----------------mazing, as my MBA ex-boss used to say.
>Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
>sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
>their bad service.
Many of the mail order places already have to charge sales taxes. They're still
doing well.
Charlie Self
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
I dunno, I've had great service from Lee Valley Tools. Haven't ordered
anything large, but I've always gotten the merchandise within a couple of
days.
"prsyscon" <prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
> shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
>
> 2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
> isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
> And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
> the driver?!?!?!?
> Thank you, Grizzly!
>
> 3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
> word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted.
>
> Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
> sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
> their bad service.
>
> At least I picked up a nice Vaughn hammer at Fleet Farm, for $14.
> Anti-vibe this and fiberglass that, give me a good piece of hickory any
day.
>
> The R Man
>
My Grizzly bandsaw came by FedEx truck with a lift gate and a petite
driver who insisted on hand carting it out to the shop and inside the
door. That was in the old days -- 2000.
prsyscon wrote:
>
> 1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
> shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
>
> 2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
> isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
> And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
> the driver?!?!?!?
> Thank you, Grizzly!
>
> 3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
> word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted.
>
> Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
> sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
> their bad service.
>
> At least I picked up a nice Vaughn hammer at Fleet Farm, for $14.
> Anti-vibe this and fiberglass that, give me a good piece of hickory any day.
>
> The R Man
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Conspiracy theories aside, the wording on a utility bill is designed to
satisfy the PSC of the state in which the service is provided. It now
becomes a cost of doing business outside the jurisdiction of the PSC.
Considering the glacial pace of those august bureaucracies, it's probably
the only way the company can keep liquid. You pay to ensure that the
"deserving" can have a phone even if they can't afford one, to ensure that
all long-distance services have to pay a similar access charge, even if it's
to themselves, and with further deregulation, you may have a charge from the
owner of the copper to your house which is assessed independent of the
charges by the owner of the switch that processes the call.
If you look, you'll find that the profit margins of PSC regulated utilities
are independent of the marketplace.
"Wes Stewart" <n7ws@_arrl.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In AZ, the tax is really on the seller, although they are allowed to
> pass it through to the buyer. Sort of like the Mafia types running
> Qwest (oops sorry, I'm giving the Mafia a bad name.) They have some
> "taxes" that they pass through, with a substantial markup, that they
> claim are "authorized" by the FCC. The inference is that they are
> "required" by the FCC to collect from the customer. In fact, the fee
> is assessed by the FCC on Qwest, not the customer.
Snicker....
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I hope they do start charging the tax soon. That way, when I do buy mail
> order it will be paid with the order and I won't have to keep track of all
> of it to send my money to the state.
Got the same in MI. Same rate of compliance, I'll wager.
I paid for the business, of course, because it was just passed through.
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:34:03 -0500, "George"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Snicker....
> >
> >"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> I hope they do start charging the tax soon. That way, when I do buy
mail
> >> order it will be paid with the order and I won't have to keep track of
all
> >> of it to send my money to the state.
> >
>
> George,
> It's really not funny. Here in CT, where Ed and I live, we
> actually have a line item on our state income tax that requires us to
> list tax due on out of state purchases.
>
> Just 'cause it isn't collected at the time of the transaction dosen't
> mean it isn't due. 8^(
>
> Barry
Frank Ketchum wrote:
> "prsyscon" <prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
>>isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
>>And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
>>the driver?!?!?!?
>>Thank you, Grizzly!
>>
>
>
> Well, I've had no problems with any of the Grizzly tools I've purchased, but
> I actually read the terms when I purchased them and thus expected to unload
> them myself. I have the G0500 also, and it had no damage at all to it or to
> the crate. Obviously thier choice of material is fine for 400 pounds of
> machinery.
>
> Just in case you are unaware, they also will not come to your shop to
> assemble your tools or run them for you either.
>
> Frank
>
>
I didn't say that I was unaware of that policy.
What I'm saying is that in this day and age of lift gate trucks or
even a simple built in ramp like all moving trucks have
why would you expect your customers to lift extremely heavy boxes for
no reason?
I happen to be a disabled veteran who shouldn't lift things over 100
lbs. Less than that really but it's hard to admit you aren't what
you used to be.
The R Man
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:34:03 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Snicker....
>
>"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I hope they do start charging the tax soon. That way, when I do buy mail
>> order it will be paid with the order and I won't have to keep track of all
>> of it to send my money to the state.
>
George,
It's really not funny. Here in CT, where Ed and I live, we
actually have a line item on our state income tax that requires us to
list tax due on out of state purchases.
Just 'cause it isn't collected at the time of the transaction dosen't
mean it isn't due. 8^(
Barry
On 28 Jan 2004 02:56:38 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
|prsyscon writes:
|
|>
|>1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
|>shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
I buy books and CDs at Amazon. I buy tools at Tool Crib. Same
company different process. Use the 800 number. Besides you get a
customer number, a catalog and some freebies sometimes.
|
|No idea what's happening, but I get the feeling Amazon does a lot of drop-ship
|orders. That takes extra time.
Could be although when I ordered my Jet DC I was told I would get it
the following Friday. Friday came, along with the 4" hose I also
ordered and a "Backorder" notice. I called (thankfully I didn't order
from Amazon) and was told that it was now in stock and I would get it
*next* Friday. Well, almost, it came the Monday after the next
Friday.
|
|>2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
|>isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
|>And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
|>the driver?!?!?!?
|>Thank you, Grizzly!
Well, they tell you that, but agreed they seem to get a lot of
complaints about damaged goods. I'm *very* seriously leaning toward
them for a TS but the damage reports make me hesitant. Are you
listening Grizzly?
|
|Armor plate wouldn't be enough for some of the handling crates get. Why do you
|jump Grizzly for a stated policy of the carrier? That's standard and it's also
|stated on most order bills that you have to arrange for help if you wish it, or
|pay extra for a tailgate lift.
|
|>3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
|>word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted
|
|A whole week? A----------------mazing, as my MBA ex-boss used to say.
Get a tracking number.
|
|>Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
|>sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
|>their bad service.
I don't know about the states doing it, but when it happens (when, not
if) then the local suppliers will get my business. Woodcraft and
Woodworkers's Source already have the same listed prices as the
Internet/mail order folks, but 7% tax + shipping makes the decision
for me.
|
|Many of the mail order places already have to charge sales taxes. They're still
|doing well.
If a business has a bricks and mortar location within a taxing
jurisdiction then they charge tax, even if you buy it out of state.
Of course if you can convince them to send an empty box to Podunk
where there is no tax and you take the goods home.....
In AZ, the tax is really on the seller, although they are allowed to
pass it through to the buyer. Sort of like the Mafia types running
Qwest (oops sorry, I'm giving the Mafia a bad name.) They have some
"taxes" that they pass through, with a substantial markup, that they
claim are "authorized" by the FCC. The inference is that they are
"required" by the FCC to collect from the customer. In fact, the fee
is assessed by the FCC on Qwest, not the customer.
I really wish I could agree with you. Overall, I've had much worse
service with the local guys than I've had with Lee Valley, Amazon,
Grizzly, Harbor Freight, Rockler, etc.
I really would rather buy local, but they sure do make it hard.
Yesterday at Sears it took 3 clerks and one manager to determine that
the reduced sticker on a can of paint did in fact mean the price was
reduced; Saturday at the locally owned hardware store one of thier
clerks asked if he could help me in the electrical section - -I asked
about alligator clips, he said he didn't think they carried them -
while I was waving a bag full in his face. The same store earlier
absolutely and catagorically refused any help what-so-ever beyond
delivering it to my street if I bought a band saw. Lowes took a week
to deliver a drill press from their other store about 10 miles away --
need I say more?
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:13:12 -0600, prsyscon
<prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote:
>1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
>shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
>
>2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
>isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
>And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
>the driver?!?!?!?
>Thank you, Grizzly!
>
>3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
>word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted.
>
>Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
>sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
>their bad service.
>
>At least I picked up a nice Vaughn hammer at Fleet Farm, for $14.
>Anti-vibe this and fiberglass that, give me a good piece of hickory any day.
>
>The R Man
why not call their 800 number???
1-800-201-7575
I've never had any trouble getting them. they answer pretty quickly. I
think you can call 24/7...
dave
prsyscon wrote:
> 1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
> shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
>
> 2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
> isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
> And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
> the driver?!?!?!?
> Thank you, Grizzly!
>
> 3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
> word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted.
>
> Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
> sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
> their bad service.
>
> At least I picked up a nice Vaughn hammer at Fleet Farm, for $14.
> Anti-vibe this and fiberglass that, give me a good piece of hickory any
> day.
>
> The R Man
>
Jim K wrote:
> I really wish I could agree with you. Overall, I've had much worse
> service with the local guys than I've had with Lee Valley, Amazon,
> Grizzly, Harbor Freight, Rockler, etc.
>
> I really would rather buy local, but they sure do make it hard.
> Yesterday at Sears
> . Lowes took a week
Sears and Lowes are not really "local". They just happen to have a branch of
the enourmouse corporate behemouth in your town. The good service comes
from the little independent operations.
Exceptions always exist on both sides. Some neighborhood stores are run by
assholes also Lee Valley may not be local, but they deserve business doe to
their superior service. . You just have to shop around and get to know the
good guys.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
In article <[email protected]>,
prsyscon <prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote:
> 1) Ordered a JDS air cleaner from Amazon on the 17th, still hasn't
> shipped. Good luck to me finding a human to talk to at Amazon.
Don't know what to tell you other than perhaps you should have bought
from a catalog where company is not just though Amazon.
>
> 2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
> isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
> And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
> the driver?!?!?!?
> Thank you, Grizzly!
I thought Grizzly stated that they ship by common carrier and that it
was dropped at curb, etc. and your responsibiltiy beyond that? I've
never ordered something large from Grizzly and have known of this.
>
> 3) Ordered a Dewalt planer from Woodworker Supply early last week, no
> word on it even though they took my e-mail address to keep me posted.
While it would be nice for these folks to call you daily with the status
of your item, it would be nice of them to e-mail as well. Why they
don't, well when you shop price, *customer service* is the first thing
to often be cut. US buyers always want to shop price, but then are upset
when there is no service. Remember Ben Franklin...didn't he say
something like, "long after the victory of low price is the bitterness
of poor quality!"
>
> Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
> sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
> their bad service.
>
How do you figure that collecting sales tax will force companies to have
better service? One does not have any connection to the other. OTOH,
maybe you know something I don't.
> At least I picked up a nice Vaughn hammer at Fleet Farm, for $14.
> Anti-vibe this and fiberglass that, give me a good piece of hickory any day.
>
> The R Man
>
Are you just a mal-content or do problems find you?
--
Best,
Kirby
"prsyscon" <prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> 2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
> isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
> And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
> the driver?!?!?!?
> Thank you, Grizzly!
>
Well, I've had no problems with any of the Grizzly tools I've purchased, but
I actually read the terms when I purchased them and thus expected to unload
them myself. I have the G0500 also, and it had no damage at all to it or to
the crate. Obviously thier choice of material is fine for 400 pounds of
machinery.
Just in case you are unaware, they also will not come to your shop to
assemble your tools or run them for you either.
Frank
Grizzly makes it clear.... We recommend that you make arrangements
with the trucking company to take delivery at the freight terminal if
you can. They will load it on your vehicle.
This is what I did with my Grizzly DC. They have forklifts and dollys
and such at the trucking terminal and were more than happy to load it
into my van (it saves them a trip). They will call you to make
arrangements once it gets to the terminal. If you don't have a
suitable vehicle, find a friend who does. Offer to take everyone out
for beers after its successfully dragged into your shop. If I was
getting an 8" planer, I know at least a handful of buddies who'd look
forward to helping me get it home and setup. From what I've seen, you
can't beat the value with Grizz.
Good luck
Joe
prsyscon wrote:
> Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
> sales, and they will, those places will have a tough time justifying
> their bad service.
> The R Man
I hope they do start charging the tax soon. That way, when I do buy mail
order it will be paid with the order and I won't have to keep track of all
of it to send my money to the state.
--
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:18:32 -0600, prsyscon
<prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote:
>why would you expect your customers to lift extremely heavy boxes for
>no reason?
Freight companies move stuff from dock to dock. The docks often have
forklifts, pallet jacks, extra labor, etc... Freight companies are
usually not equipped for residential delivery. So, yes, they do
expect the customer to lift heavy boxes, and Grizzly says so right on
the site.
>I happen to be a disabled veteran who shouldn't lift things over 100
>lbs. Less than that really but it's hard to admit you aren't what
>you used to be.
Sorry to hear of your injuries. Many freight companies can provide
lift gate service and inside delivery, but you should expect to pay
for it. In some cases the extra handling and service can cost much
more than normal delivery charge.
The phone company I work for has switching centers that are usually
not dock equipped, and many don't have the room to maneuver a tractor
trailer. We have to have our non-UPS shipments sent to a local mover,
who then delivers the shipment to us with lift gate equipped straight
trucks and extra manpower. Sometimes we pay hundreds of dollars to
have ONE 250 pound pallet accepted, stored, delivered, and brought
into the building. It often costs just a little more to have (5) 250
pound pallets delivered than it does for the first.
FWIW, this is where some of the savings of Grizzly and other direct
equipment is gained. When you buy a tool via a retailer, the retailer
adds the cost of local handling and delivery to the wholesale cost of
the tool, therefore driving the retail price up.
Grizzly also removes the middleman's profit. In some cases, that
middleman EARNS his profit by acting on behalf of his customer for
warranty claims, parts support, etc... A good retailer might "borrow"
a much needed, back ordered part off of an in-stock tool to keep a
good customer up and running. Mail order vendors, such as Amazon, and
poorly operated local retailers are unlikely to do this.
This is why I figure the total _value_ of buying tools locally in
addition to the bottom line price. In your case, becoming a regular
customer at a local dealer may cost a few bucks more, but it could
gain you delivery at a reasonable price, setup assistance, etc...
Barry
"Charlie Self's" SIG File stated:
> "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt.
Dance
> like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige
My favorite "Satchelism":
Don't look over your shoulder, it might be gaining on you.
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures
Lew Hodgett responds:
>
>"Charlie Self's" SIG File stated:
>
>> "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt.
>Dance
>> like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige
>
>My favorite "Satchelism":
>
>Don't look over your shoulder, it might be gaining on you.
>
And he's right. It is.
Charlie Self
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
"Wes Stewart" <n7ws@_arrl.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 28 Jan 2004 02:56:38 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
> wrote:
<SNIP>
> In AZ, the tax is really on the seller, although they are allowed to
> pass it through to the buyer. Sort of like the Mafia types running
> Qwest (oops sorry, I'm giving the Mafia a bad name.) They have some
> "taxes" that they pass through, with a substantial markup, that they
> claim are "authorized" by the FCC. The inference is that they are
> "required" by the FCC to collect from the customer. In fact, the fee
> is assessed by the FCC on Qwest, not the customer.
</SNIP>
Actually, Arizona has a retail sales taxation situation that's very similar
to the majority of the rest of the States'. It's properly known as a
"Transaction PriveledgeTax" and more commonly called a "Sales and Use Tax".
The onus of the Sales Tax is placed upon the seller of (tangible) goods
<i>when the seller has physical presence in the State</i>.
The seller is required to pay the tax, not the buyer. However, the seller is
allowed to add the amount of taxes due on the transaction and collect that
amount from the buyer (pass it along) at the time of the sale. The seller
then has to turn the "tax" colected over to the State. (Actually, the seller
is required to turn over the taxes due on the sale whether the seller
collects from the buyer or not!)
When a buyer purchases from an out-of-state seller (such as Amazon), the
transaction is indeed NOT "tax-free" -- the purchaser is <i>legally
obligated</i> to pony up the amount of the transaction priveledge taxes that
are due on the purchase -- that's called "Use Tax". Needles to say, the
State receives very few dollars passed into its coffers by upstanding folks
who volunteer to pay their "use tax" on mail-order purchases.
One notable exception to Use-Tax avoidance came about a few years ago,
though when a number of "enterprising" auto dealers in Phoenix got the
bright idea that they could sell a few extra tons of cars "Tax Free" to
buyers!
The dealers set up base on the Sovereign Territory of some of the Indian
Reservations (a _Very_ Large_Percentage_ of Arizona's total land area,
BTW). Buyers took delivery of their vehicles "out of the country" and thus
it seemed as if the Transaction Priveledge Tax didn't apply.
Those buyers got a rude awakening from the ADOR folks and the Counties when
they were hit for Use Tax (in the amount of the so-called Sales Tax). They
were made to pay that tax before they were allowed to pay the rest of the
taxes due when they registered their vehicles :-)
(Oh, and I wouldn't worry about hurting Qwest's feelings :-) Cox
Comunications' phone "service" is soooooo baaaaaad that they make Qwest
_seem_ like a gift of the gods.)
--
-- Steve
Penury is the Mother of Invention
www.apachetrail.com/ww/
Mesa, AZ
Steve writes:
>The dealers set up base on the Sovereign Territory of some of the Indian
>Reservations (a _Very_ Large_Percentage_ of Arizona's total land area,
>BTW). Buyers took delivery of their vehicles "out of the country" and thus
>it seemed as if the Transaction Priveledge Tax didn't apply.
>
>Those buyers got a rude awakening from the ADOR folks and the Counties when
>they were hit for Use Tax (in the amount of the so-called Sales Tax). They
>were made to pay that tax before they were allowed to pay the rest of the
>taxes due when they registered their vehicles :-)
Sounds like WV. No matter where you bought a vehicle, or when, if you register
it in WV, you pay a 5% transfer fee.
Essentially, a sales tax on something that was not sold in this state, was
never before in the state, on which sales and other pertinent taxes had already
been paid elsewhere.
That was the first indication I wasn't really going to be happy here.
Charlie Self
"To create man was a quaint and original idea, but to add the sheep was
tautology." Mark Twain's Notebook
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On 28 Jan 2004 19:29:10 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>
>Sounds like WV. No matter where you bought a vehicle, or when, if you register
>it in WV, you pay a 5% transfer fee.
CT's no different. Buy a vehicle, pay 6% tax on the book value (NOT
bill of sale amount), or don't register it in CT. CT dealers collect
it, but out of state purchases are taxed at the DMV.
Barry
Barry Burke responds:
>>Sounds like WV. No matter where you bought a vehicle, or when, if you
>register
>>it in WV, you pay a 5% transfer fee.
>
>CT's no different. Buy a vehicle, pay 6% tax on the book value (NOT
>bill of sale amount), or don't register it in CT. CT dealers collect
>it, but out of state purchases are taxed at the DMV.
Jeez. I had the misfortune many years ago to have a Ridgefield, CT mailing
address, but was fortunate enough to actually live on Lake Waccabuc in NY. CT
doesn't seem to have changed much. It was a place we avoided as teenagers (had
to be 21 to drink, whereas NY was 18 and carding was infrequent).
Charlie Self
"To create man was a quaint and original idea, but to add the sheep was
tautology." Mark Twain's Notebook
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:13:12 -0600, prsyscon
<prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote:
>2) Ordered a Grizzly G0500 that came to me in a heap. Not that 1/4" OSB
>isn't a good choice for 400LB crates.
>And I'm supposed to lift it off the semi with no lift gate or help from
>the driver?!?!?!?
>Thank you, Grizzly!
FWIW, dosen't Grizzly make it clear about how their tools ship?
Right on the site:
"PLEASE NOTE: The trucking company will notify you prior to delivery
to make arrangements. Truck drivers are subject to a number of
regulations, one of which is that they are not required to give any
assistance in unloading. Please be prepared for this "curbside"
delivery, as you are responsible for unloading the item(s) and placing
them in your shop. This normally takes a number of "friends".
We recommend that you make arrangements with the trucking company to
take delivery at the freight terminal if you can. They will load it on
your vehicle. Make sure your vehicle is capable of handling the
weight. Also, bring plenty of tie downs to properly secure the load"
Barry
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:13:23 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Charlie Self's" SIG File stated:
>
>>"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt.
>>Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige
>
>My favorite "Satchelism":
Heh. You learn something every day. I figured Keller Williams was
quoting someone, but never knew who.
JP
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:13:12 -0600, prsyscon
<prsyscon@real-time_remove.com> wrote:
>Once the states force the mailorder places to charge sales tax for all
>sales, and they will...
Not going to happen by the states. The Supreme Court has twice ruled
on this issue, and the last time was fairly recently (about 10 years
ago; well since the explosion in mail order purchasing). Essentially,
in both cases (the second basically reaffirmed the first with the
addition of some modern issues and some instructions), the Court ruled
that the states' attempt to force retailers to collect tax on
out-of-state purchases violated the Commerce clause of the
Constitution. They told the states that they could not force retailers
collect tax unless they had a "physical presence" in that state.
That's why Amazon charges sales tax in Washington.
In the most recent case the Court specifically told the states that
their recourse is in the Congress, not the courts. The mail order
business lobby is fairly robust and Congress hasn't expressed much
interest in helping the states (and all of the other myriad taxing
bodies) collect all of that tax.
Somewhere I have links to both rulings. If you really can't DAGS, I'll
try to find them and post them.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
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