I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and I
assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it in
an almost delicate manner.
Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it, or
if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
Thanks in advance again.
Matt
In article <[email protected]>,
James D Kountz <[email protected]> wrote:
>This is just wrong and I dont care what Performax or anyone else tells you.
>You can absolutely take more than 1/100th of an inch on a 6" wide piece of
>oak. My 16-32 would eat that for breakfast, lunch and dinner and beg for
>desert. I just did some 24"x36" Purpleheart panels taking between 1/4 and
>1/2 turn using 120 grit and it took them right on down.No problem. My motor
>is a Leeson too by the way. Now if Performax changed the motor I would say
>based on what other folks here have said, thats you're problem.
It sounds like they've changed the motor. My year or so old 16-32 has
a lousy Asian Baldor (insulation class A). Baldor must rightfully be
embarrassed about this motor since their name isn't on it. The only
reason I know it's a Baldor is because it was replaced once under
warranty and came in a Baldor box.
I'd expect a class F Leeson to perform a whole lot better.
--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
Matt, I have the same machine and it does trip the internal breaker if you
take to deep a bite. I use it only for sanding not as a thickness planer.
Slow the feed rate and take smaller bites, you will grow to enjoy its many
virtues.
Dave
"Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and I
> assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
> popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it in
> an almost delicate manner.
> Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
> describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
> 16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
> Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
> sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it, or
> if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
> Thanks in advance again.
> Matt
>
Matt,
I have two of these units. Motors appear to be the same as yours -- 14 amp,
made in Taiwan. The only time I've experienced what you're talking about
(tripping the reset button) is when the motor has overheated from long
periods of use or trying to take too big of a bite or working with clogged
sandpaper. One thing I have learned to do is what Performax recommends and
that is to insert the piece I am going to sand under the drum with it shut
off and lower the drum to where you can just hear the sandpaper tic on the
piece when you turn the drum by hand before you start sanding the piece.
This will prvent a lot of the starting trips, gouging and burning that can
result from trial and error feeding. If you do this, run the board through
the unit at this setting to insure you don't have high spots and from this
point you should be able to sand oak, maple,etc in 1/4 turn increments with
80 - 150 grit paper without any problems. Harder woods like bloodwood are
another matter. What I can remove in one pass on oak will take 5 passes on
bloodwood.. If you follow this procedure and are still having problems you
probably have a motor problem.
Dave
"Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 15 amp breaker in wall, but the little pop up circuit breaker on the motor
is
> popping. I am having to sand off about 1/100th of an inch at a time on a 6
inch
> wide piece of quartersawn white oak.
> I wonder if the Delta gives the same results.... I know it's only 1.5 hp
motor,
> but for some reason, it doesn't feel right to me.
> Anyone with the Delta have this complaint?
> Matt
>
> James D Kountz wrote:
>
> > Sounds to me like you may have a bad motor again. I am definitely not
gentle
> > with mine and I never pop breaker with it. Curious, what's the circuit
like
> > that you have it on?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > "Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > > arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > > motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit,
powered
> > > it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed
that
> > > the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > > breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> > > I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and
I
> > > assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
> > > popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it
in
> > > an almost delicate manner.
> > > Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
> > > describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
> > > 16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
> > > Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
> > > sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it,
or
> > > if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
> > > Thanks in advance again.
> > > Matt
> > >
>
One more point.
Your sander may trip to easily if the power to it is undersized. Make sure
you have an adequate cord and circuit powering the machine.
Dave
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Scott Post) wrote in message
news:<uaqSb.188539$na.312408@attbi_s04>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Matt Zach <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > >arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > >motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit,
powered
> > >it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> > >the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > >breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> >
> > That's normal behaviour. A 1/4 turn or less of the handle is all the
> > bite they can take.
>
> Ditto with my new Performax 10-20: tripped when I tried
> (inadvertently) to take off about 1/8" at one time. That's what the
> planer is for. The sander is pretty slick for taking off 1/64 or 1/32
> though, and having thickness-sanded a few classical guitars the old
> fashioned way, the Performax is a welcome addition to my shop, doing
> in seconds what used to take me hours by hand!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott
[email protected] (Scott Post) wrote in message news:<uaqSb.188539$na.312408@attbi_s04>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Matt Zach <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> >arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> >motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> >it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> >the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> >breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
>
> That's normal behaviour. A 1/4 turn or less of the handle is all the
> bite they can take.
Ditto with my new Performax 10-20: tripped when I tried
(inadvertently) to take off about 1/8" at one time. That's what the
planer is for. The sander is pretty slick for taking off 1/64 or 1/32
though, and having thickness-sanded a few classical guitars the old
fashioned way, the Performax is a welcome addition to my shop, doing
in seconds what used to take me hours by hand!
Cheers,
Scott
15 amp breaker in wall, but the little pop up circuit breaker on the motor is
popping. I am having to sand off about 1/100th of an inch at a time on a 6 inch
wide piece of quartersawn white oak.
I wonder if the Delta gives the same results.... I know it's only 1.5 hp motor,
but for some reason, it doesn't feel right to me.
Anyone with the Delta have this complaint?
Matt
James D Kountz wrote:
> Sounds to me like you may have a bad motor again. I am definitely not gentle
> with mine and I never pop breaker with it. Curious, what's the circuit like
> that you have it on?
>
> Jim
>
> "Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> > it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> > the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> > I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and I
> > assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
> > popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it in
> > an almost delicate manner.
> > Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
> > describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
> > 16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
> > Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
> > sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it, or
> > if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
> > Thanks in advance again.
> > Matt
> >
I have the original paper in there right now. I tried 120 grit on the first
Performax they sent me, and it did not seem to change its performance
noticeably. What grits have you used and have you noticed differences in the
circuit popping with any particular grit?
Thanks,
Matt
TeamCasa wrote:
> Matt, I have the same machine and it does trip the internal breaker if you
> take to deep a bite. I use it only for sanding not as a thickness planer.
> Slow the feed rate and take smaller bites, you will grow to enjoy its many
> virtues.
>
> Dave
>
> "Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> > it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> > the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> > I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and I
> > assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
> > popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it in
> > an almost delicate manner.
> > Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
> > describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
> > 16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
> > Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
> > sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it, or
> > if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
> > Thanks in advance again.
> > Matt
> >
Bob,
The motor only has a Performax label on it. It's 14 amps and it's made in
Taiwan.
If this is the same machine that has been getting rave reviews from everyone,
I'd be very surprised.
Matt
RWM wrote:
> "Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:uaqSb.188539$na.312408@attbi_s04...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Matt Zach <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > >arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > >motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> > >it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> > >the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > >breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> >
> > That's normal behaviour. A 1/4 turn or less of the handle is all the
> > bite they can take.
> >
> > --
> > Scott Post [email protected]
> http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
>
> Wow, something strange is going on. I have a six year old 16-32 + that has
> never trip the breaker. If fact, until I read this thread I didn't even
> know that there was a breaker. I wonder if the motor has changed since I
> purchased mine.
>
> When I first purchased the unit I took way to much off in each pass and it
> never complained. One time I took about 1/16th off a 16" x 54" cherry panel
> and it did fine until the high spot in the middle. The machine kept
> chugging and I finally shut it off. My only problem with the unit is
> burning the sandpaper if I don't watch it.
>
> Good luck - Bob McBreen
Matt, I use the 80 or 120 for sanding veneers. If you slow the feed rate
down to much the sander will burn or burnish the wood if you are trying to
take to big a bite. The older models do not have the same over-current
protection. They only have a thermal overload protection.
I am assuming you are using an adequate dust collection system, if not the
belt will clog and burn very fast.
Just to resolve the issue of , is it a bad motor, I tested the amp draw up
to the time it tripped the internal pop-up breaker. 13 amps +/-. I'd say
the breaker did its job.
I really don't want the motor to drag, dim the shop lights, smoke, burn the
wood before I realize I have taken to deep a bite. Scott is correct, 1/4 to
1/3 a turn is all you need. If you need more, get a surface planer or
jointer.
Dave
"Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have the original paper in there right now. I tried 120 grit on the
first
> Performax they sent me, and it did not seem to change its performance
> noticeably. What grits have you used and have you noticed differences in
the
> circuit popping with any particular grit?
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> TeamCasa wrote:
>
> > Matt, I have the same machine and it does trip the internal breaker if
you
> > take to deep a bite. I use it only for sanding not as a thickness
planer.
> > Slow the feed rate and take smaller bites, you will grow to enjoy its
many
> > virtues.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > > arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > > motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit,
powered
> > > it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed
that
> > > the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > > breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> > > I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and
I
> > > assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
> > > popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it
in
> > > an almost delicate manner.
> > > Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
> > > describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
> > > 16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
> > > Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
> > > sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it,
or
> > > if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
> > > Thanks in advance again.
> > > Matt
> > >
>
"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One more point.
> Your sander may trip to easily if the power to it is undersized. Make
sure
> you have an adequate cord and circuit powering the machine.
>
> Dave
First off, I love my 16-32.
On the issue of the motor circuit tripping, I've had mine for over 3 years
now. The first 2 years, the circuit breaker on the motor may have tripped
once or twice. Now days, it seems if I look at it, it will trip, doesn't
even have to be plugged in!!! Okay, that may be stretching it a bit,
but....
I think I can rule out the power getting to the unit as a reason. I can run
my DC and other large machines on the same circuit, most of them have larger
motors drawing more amps, and never a problem.
Even if I sand thin strips, the motor over heats. I am fairly certain if I
just power it up, not feed anything through it, the motor *will* get warm,
and the circuit on the motor eventually trips. Under use, it trips sooner.
I've been thinking it's a faulty motor, now this thread tells me the problem
is more universal, and not just my unit. Now I'm back to square one
wondering what gives???
G
This is just wrong and I dont care what Performax or anyone else tells you.
You can absolutely take more than 1/100th of an inch on a 6" wide piece of
oak. My 16-32 would eat that for breakfast, lunch and dinner and beg for
desert. I just did some 24"x36" Purpleheart panels taking between 1/4 and
1/2 turn using 120 grit and it took them right on down.No problem. My motor
is a Leeson too by the way. Now if Performax changed the motor I would say
based on what other folks here have said, thats you're problem. I believe
another owner with a Leeson motor stated his performed better than this too.
So there you go, get from it what you will but if it were me Id have my
answer.
Jim
"Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 15 amp breaker in wall, but the little pop up circuit breaker on the motor
is
> popping. I am having to sand off about 1/100th of an inch at a time on a 6
inch
> wide piece of quartersawn white oak.
> > Sounds to me like you may have a bad motor again. I am definitely not
gentle
> > with mine and I never pop breaker with it. Curious, what's the circuit
like
> > that you have it on?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > "Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > > arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > > motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit,
powered
> > > it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed
that
> > > the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > > breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> > > I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and
I
> > > assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
> > > popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it
in
> > > an almost delicate manner.
> > > Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
> > > describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
> > > 16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
> > > Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
> > > sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it,
or
> > > if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
> > > Thanks in advance again.
> > > Matt
> > >
>
Sounds to me like you may have a bad motor again. I am definitely not gentle
with mine and I never pop breaker with it. Curious, what's the circuit like
that you have it on?
Jim
"Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> I called Amazon and requested a replacement, which they sent, and I
> assembled and tested again today. Again, the motor seemed very wimpy,
> popping the circuit breaker again, unless I fed the boards through it in
> an almost delicate manner.
> Most of my tools are 220 volt, heavy duty and not what I would
> describe as requiring wood to be fed delicately into or through. This
> 16-32 sander just does not seem right to me.
> Can any of the sander users comment on how beefy or delicate their
> sanders are? I'm wondering if either I am too 'heavy handed' with it, or
> if I have received another defective motor.... hmmm ?
> Thanks in advance again.
> Matt
>
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <8TSSb.24562
> >
> Sawdust buildup in the motor housing, perhaps? You said that didn't happen
> when it was new...
>
> --
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Appreciate the stated possibility.
I could/should have stated I have my DC hooked up, and what dust that thing
doesn't suck off, including the paint, I also blow out the inside of the
unit thoroughly and often with air pressure. Nor does it matter which grit
of sand paper I have installed. And, the drum spins *very* freely by hand,
and takes forever to come to a halt after cutting the power to it. Taking
all that into consideration, with my other comments in my earlier post,
makes me think I definitely have a faulty motor.
I've sent my local supplier an email asking if he has had any other customer
make similar complaints.
G
"Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uaqSb.188539$na.312408@attbi_s04...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Matt Zach <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> >arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> >motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> >it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> >the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> >breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
>
> That's normal behaviour. A 1/4 turn or less of the handle is all the
> bite they can take.
>
> --
> Scott Post [email protected]
http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
Wow, something strange is going on. I have a six year old 16-32 + that has
never trip the breaker. If fact, until I read this thread I didn't even
know that there was a breaker. I wonder if the motor has changed since I
purchased mine.
When I first purchased the unit I took way to much off in each pass and it
never complained. One time I took about 1/16th off a 16" x 54" cherry panel
and it did fine until the high spot in the middle. The machine kept
chugging and I finally shut it off. My only problem with the unit is
burning the sandpaper if I don't watch it.
Good luck - Bob McBreen
In article <[email protected]>, "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Even if I sand thin strips, the motor over heats. I am fairly certain if I
>just power it up, not feed anything through it, the motor *will* get warm,
>and the circuit on the motor eventually trips. Under use, it trips sooner.
>I've been thinking it's a faulty motor, now this thread tells me the problem
>is more universal, and not just my unit. Now I'm back to square one
>wondering what gives???
>
Sawdust buildup in the motor housing, perhaps? You said that didn't happen
when it was new...
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
"RWM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:uaqSb.188539$na.312408@attbi_s04...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Matt Zach <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> > >arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> > >motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit,
powered
> > >it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> > >the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> > >breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
> >
> > That's normal behaviour. A 1/4 turn or less of the handle is all the
> > bite they can take.
> >
> > --
> > Scott Post [email protected]
> http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
>
> Wow, something strange is going on. I have a six year old 16-32 + that
has
> never trip the breaker. If fact, until I read this thread I didn't even
> know that there was a breaker. I wonder if the motor has changed since I
> purchased mine.
>
> When I first purchased the unit I took way to much off in each pass and it
> never complained. One time I took about 1/16th off a 16" x 54" cherry
panel
> and it did fine until the high spot in the middle. The machine kept
> chugging and I finally shut it off. My only problem with the unit is
> burning the sandpaper if I don't watch it.
>
> Good luck - Bob McBreen
>
>
Sorry for replying to my post. I just checked and my unit has a Leeson
motor.
I am just Curious,(no point to my question) is that an universal or
induction motor?
Tony D.
"Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uaqSb.188539$na.312408@attbi_s04...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Matt Zach <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
> >arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
> >motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
> >it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
> >the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
> >breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
>
> That's normal behaviour. A 1/4 turn or less of the handle is all the
> bite they can take.
>
> --
> Scott Post [email protected]
http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
In article <[email protected]>,
Matt Zach <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just purchased a Performax 16-32 from Amazon. The first one
>arrived and had a small dent in the ventilation shroud on the drum
>motor. I didn't think too much of it until I assembled the unit, powered
>it up for the first time, ran a few boards through it, and noticed that
>the motor seemed very weak. In fact, it started to pop its circuit
>breaker, unless I just barely removed any wood during each pass.
That's normal behaviour. A 1/4 turn or less of the handle is all the
bite they can take.
--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/