Hello,
if one looks at the clifton multiplane, e.g.
http://www3.woodcraft.com/Planes&Spokeshaves/woodworking/4139.htm
one wonders how it works, since it seems to have no proper sole, at
least not one matching all the differnet irons, so does it sacrifice
cleannes of cut for versatility?
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I've had pretty good luck with my multi-plane. Some ovolos, some dados,
some beads. Mostly in cherry, which isn't the easiest wood to work with.
Sharp, sharp, sharp is the key. Of course, with the several hundred
dollars I spend on it all (used Stanley 45 body with Clifton irons), I
could have bought quite a few wooden planes, which, as you suggest,
would probably work much better.
Greg
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:05:35 +0100, Juergen Hannappel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Badly.
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> Personally I prefer a shelf of old wooden moulders. At least they
> work.
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> --
> What ? Me ? Evil Dictator of Iraq ?
> Nah mate, I'm just a Hobbit, honest
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:05:35 +0100, Juergen Hannappel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello,
>if one looks at the clifton multiplane, e.g.
>http://www3.woodcraft.com/Planes&Spokeshaves/woodworking/4139.htm
>one wonders how it works, since it seems to have no proper sole, at
>least not one matching all the differnet irons, so does it sacrifice
>cleannes of cut for versatility?
>
I've a Stanley 55 and a Record 405 and, as soon as I can sell them, I
will. They were somewhat useful when I was doing some work in
Elfreth's Alley in Philadelphia - back in the seventies. In that
instance I was making short runs of molding to match the existing
pieces that had been cut away during ill-advised remodeling projects.
Since the projects involved short lengths of molding in various
profiles, I was able to modify the existing cutters to create a match
and thus avoided the knife charges for a molder setup.
I found stock selection to be critical. The grain needed to be
straight and the wood mild (paint grade project). Setup is very fussy
with these planes and the cutters must be super sharp to work even
moderately well.
They are no match for a set of individual profile planes and have
always seemed to me to be a cross between Rube Goldberg and a Swiss
Army Knife approach to profiling.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania 19428
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Tom Watson writes:
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>I've a Stanley 55 and a Record 405 and, as soon as I can sell them, I
>will.
You may want to try Ebay if you didn't pay too heavy a price for those new. I
just now ran a check and they've got a 55 with a "Buy It Now" price of $499.
Trouble is, the starting bid was $399 and no one has bit yet. A friend who was
once heavily into Ebay auctions told me the best bet was to always bring it in
with a low starting bid and a high reserve. The high starting bid kept too many
people out, and the more people who are in, the more likely it is someone will
get excited and bid higher than otherwise might be the case.
>and have
>always seemed to me to be a cross between Rube Goldberg and a Swiss
>Army Knife approach to profiling.
But leave us not forget, Rube Goldberg made big bucks from his crazy gadget
cartoons, while the SA knife is probably one of the best marketing jobs in the
western world.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
[email protected] (Charlie Self) writes:
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>>always seemed to me to be a cross between Rube Goldberg and a Swiss
>>Army Knife approach to profiling.
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> But leave us not forget, Rube Goldberg made big bucks from his crazy gadget
> cartoons, while the SA knife is probably one of the best marketing
> jobs in the western world.
At least the SA knife (even the cheapest ones) feature one extremely
important tool that even the to grade leathermans and lokk-alikes
lack: the cork extractor for wine bottles. (Is that a late side effect
of the alcohol prohibition times?)
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mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany
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Juergen Hannappel asks:
>> But leave us not forget, Rube Goldberg made big bucks from his crazy gadget
>> cartoons, while the SA knife is probably one of the best marketing
>> jobs in the western world.
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>At least the SA knife (even the cheapest ones) feature one extremely
>important tool that even the to grade leathermans and lokk-alikes
>lack: the cork extractor for wine bottles. (Is that a late side effect
>of the alcohol prohibition times?)
In what way? Didn't know Switzerland had prohibition. Thought that was a
completely U.S. idiocy.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:31:42 +0100, Juergen Hannappel
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky
depths:
>I was referening to the lack of the extractor in the leatherman tools,
>which (to my knowledge, which may well be wrong) originated in the
>U.S. Almost every *european* pocket knife has an extractor.
'Murricans are less lushy than Europeens. And most 'Murricans I know
would just take a stick and push that cork thing into the bottle.
What's the _problem_? ;)
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[email protected] (Charlie Self) writes:
> Juergen Hannappel asks:
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>>> But leave us not forget, Rube Goldberg made big bucks from his crazy gadget
>>> cartoons, while the SA knife is probably one of the best marketing
>>> jobs in the western world.
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>>At least the SA knife (even the cheapest ones) feature one extremely
>>important tool that even the to grade leathermans and lokk-alikes
>>lack: the cork extractor for wine bottles. (Is that a late side effect
>>of the alcohol prohibition times?)
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> In what way? Didn't know Switzerland had prohibition. Thought that was a
> completely U.S. idiocy.
I was referening to the lack of the extractor in the leatherman tools,
which (to my knowledge, which may well be wrong) originated in the
U.S. Almost every *european* pocket knife has an extractor.
--
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mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany
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Juergen Hannappel responds:
>> In what way? Didn't know Switzerland had prohibition. Thought that was a
>> completely U.S. idiocy.
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>I was referening to the lack of the extractor in the leatherman tools,
>which (to my knowledge, which may well be wrong) originated in the
>U.S. Almost every *european* pocket knife has an extractor.
Fair enough. Couldn't begin to guess why the multi-tools don't consider a
corkscrew a tool, but...I note that even the 5-6 or however manymodels Crescent
has have none. Maybe we've got too many screw-top wine drinkers here?
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On 17 Dec 2003 08:17:46 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Fair enough. Couldn't begin to guess why the multi-tools don't consider a
>corkscrew a tool, but...I note that even the 5-6 or however manymodels Crescent
>has have none. Maybe we've got too many screw-top wine drinkers here?
And too many bag o' wine-in-a-box drinkers.
>Charlie Self
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>"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
>Alexander Hamilton
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Larry Jaques responds:
>>Fair enough. Couldn't begin to guess why the multi-tools don't consider a
>>corkscrew a tool, but...I note that even the 5-6 or however manymodels
>Crescent
>>has have none. Maybe we've got too many screw-top wine drinkers here?
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>And too many bag o' wine-in-a-box drinkers.
Didn't know that existed...I was never much of a wine drinker. When my liver
called a halt to all drinking, I was mainly interested in Wild Turkey 101 and
Courvoisier.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On 17 Dec 2003 18:54:52 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Larry Jaques responds:
>
>>>Fair enough. Couldn't begin to guess why the multi-tools don't consider a
>>>corkscrew a tool, but...I note that even the 5-6 or however manymodels
>>Crescent
>>>has have none. Maybe we've got too many screw-top wine drinkers here?
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>>And too many bag o' wine-in-a-box drinkers.
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>Didn't know that existed...I was never much of a wine drinker. When my liver
>called a halt to all drinking, I was mainly interested in Wild Turkey 101 and
>Courvoisier.
When my liver gently persuaded me to quit, I was down to rum and coke
(breakfast, lunch, dinner, nights) and Coors (afternoons, evenings).
I don't miss it and I sure -feel- better in the morning nowadays,
despite the aches and pains of growing older.
>Charlie Self
>
>"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
>Alexander Hamilton
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>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well?
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Larry Jaques responds:
>>
>>Didn't know that existed...I was never much of a wine drinker. When my liver
>>called a halt to all drinking, I was mainly interested in Wild Turkey 101
>and
>>Courvoisier.
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>When my liver gently persuaded me to quit, I was down to rum and coke
>(breakfast, lunch, dinner, nights) and Coors (afternoons, evenings).
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>I don't miss it and I sure -feel- better in the morning nowadays,
>despite the aches and pains of growing older.
I wouldn't say I feel better in the morning...a double shot of WT 101 in good
coffee is a real eye-opener--but I'm sure as hell more effective in the
afternoon when I haven't had that, the mid-morning pick-me-up, the lunchtime
double or triple and the after lunch kicker.
Pain, what pain?
Now, I take Vioxx.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie Self wrote:
>>When my liver gently persuaded me to quit, I was down to rum and coke
>>(breakfast, lunch, dinner, nights) and Coors (afternoons, evenings).
> the afternoon when I haven't had that, the mid-morning pick-me-up, the
> lunchtime double or triple and the after lunch kicker.
I'm glad you both quit. Proud of you. It's not easy. I went through that
with Mom. Ugly, ugly business.
I don't even want to think about it, and I probably shouldn't air my
family's dirty laundry for the archives anyway.
I do drink in spite of all this, but I don't think I drink the same way I
might have had I not experienced what I did. I get wasted very easily, and
a bottle of liquor lasts me three or four years. I think I'm OK, but if I
ever suspect otherwise, I will just quit the damn stuff entirely.
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Hi, Juergen,
It's hard to explain in text, but basically the plane body consists of 2
flat sides, which slide apart on the two round steel bars you can see in the
picture (detached from the plane) The iron bridges the gap between the
sides - different irons, different gaps. There are attachable guide fences
and some have inbuilt "nickers" for cross-grain cutting.
It's not a finishing plane at all - it has no sole (so no real mouth) and no
back iron. It's purely used for cutting rebates, dadoes and some simple
mouldings.
In my experience they work well (and relatively quickly!) in mild,
straight-grained timber, but the lack of refinements in the cutting action
means that they can leave a poor finish, or even heavy tear-out, in awkward
grain.
I have the Record version of this plane - it was a useful tool in its day,
but I can set up a router for a rebate cut as quickly as I can set up this
plane, and the cut itself goes a lot faster and cleaner. I suspect that
many older woodworkers are in the same position as me - I still have a wee
twinge of nostalgia for the multiplane, but I'm glad I don't have to make my
living using it. A bit like the difference between using a horse or a
tractor for ploughing, I suppose. <sigh>
However, if you're aspriring to being a purist Neander ( and there's nothing
wrong with that) then it's a useful tool to have in your armoury. You might
have a problem getting one cheaply - the originals are becoming quite
collectable (if there's a full set of cutters) - and modern high-quality
reproductions, like the Clifton, are very expensive.
Cheers,
Frank
"Juergen Hannappel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello,
> if one looks at the clifton multiplane, e.g.
> http://www3.woodcraft.com/Planes&Spokeshaves/woodworking/4139.htm
> one wonders how it works, since it seems to have no proper sole, at
> least not one matching all the differnet irons, so does it sacrifice
> cleannes of cut for versatility?
>
>
> --
> Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe
> mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
> Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany
> CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:05:35 +0100, Juergen Hannappel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>one wonders how it works,
Badly.
Personally I prefer a shelf of old wooden moulders. At least they
work.
--
What ? Me ? Evil Dictator of Iraq ?
Nah mate, I'm just a Hobbit, honest
"Frank McVey" <[email protected]> writes:
[... very useful explanation of the multiplane ]
> However, if you're aspriring to being a purist Neander ( and there's nothing
> wrong with that) then it's a useful tool to have in your armoury. You might
> have a problem getting one cheaply - the originals are becoming quite
> collectable (if there's a full set of cutters) - and modern high-quality
> reproductions, like the Clifton, are very expensive.
Thanks for the explanations, but seeing the price of the beasts and
the sucess i had in making my first two planes (dado planes inspired
by those made by the famous Steve Knight, but still lacking the
nickers) i will rather convert the maple slab i recently aquired into
a lot of custom planes with full soles. The fences i plan to make in a
reusable way, either controlled by thumbscrews o held in place by
wegdes, a point still under consideration.
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mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany
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