I'm putting together a piece of furniture that is made of particle board
covered in that fake wood veneer (wood print). Since this is a fish tank
stand that will support 600lb of water, I would like to use glue as well as
the supplied screws to hold everything together, however, I'm having a
problem finding a glue that will stick to this wood print veneer. So far I
have tried polyurethane glue (LePage PL Premium), standard epoxy, 5 minute
epoxy. I also covered a test piece in polyurethane varnish (since this is
how I'm hoping to water proof it), and after letting it dry two days, it
comes off in sheets when you use your fingernail to scratch it.
So I'm wondering if anyone knows of a glue that would stick to this fake
wood veneer and also a waterproof clear coat that I could apply to it to
help in water proofing everything.
Thanks,
Harry
Hi Harry,
A thin film of construction adhesive or contact adhesive, a wise move would
be to rough up slightly the contact points for even better adhesion. Wipe
off immediately anything that squeezes out when you tighten the screws.
HTH
--
© Jon Down ®
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"Harry Muscle" <fake@[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm putting together a piece of furniture that is made of particle board
> covered in that fake wood veneer (wood print). Since this is a fish tank
> stand that will support 600lb of water, I would like to use glue as well
as
> the supplied screws to hold everything together, however, I'm having a
> problem finding a glue that will stick to this wood print veneer. So far
I
> have tried polyurethane glue (LePage PL Premium), standard epoxy, 5 minute
> epoxy. I also covered a test piece in polyurethane varnish (since this is
> how I'm hoping to water proof it), and after letting it dry two days, it
> comes off in sheets when you use your fingernail to scratch it.
>
> So I'm wondering if anyone knows of a glue that would stick to this fake
> wood veneer and also a waterproof clear coat that I could apply to it to
> help in water proofing everything.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
"Charles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:03:44 -0500, "Harry Muscle"
> <fake@[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> An interesting concept, a water proof glue too put together two pieces
of
> >> material that will turn tits up at the merest hint of water.
> >>
> >> Let us know how you make out.
> >>
> >> PS, if you can't put it together with epoxy you aren't going to get it
> >> together with anything.
> >
> >Actually the plan is to water proof the finished product, however, I'm
> >having problems with that too since the polyurethane peels off this
stuff.
> >It's quite difficult to find a fish tank stand that looks good, and
> >unfortunately this was the only one that fit color and style wise in our
> >living room, so I'm stuck working with what I got. Just looking for help
in
> >making it better ... especially water proofing the particle board & paper
> >veneer.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Harry
> >
>
>
> I have no idea how it would work on the paper, nut I have used West
> Systems penetrating epoxy to waterproof wood.
> --
>
> - Charles
> -
> -does not play well with others
Does the finished product look similar to a normal clear finish (ie: poly,
etc.) or does it go on thicker?
Thanks,
Harry
"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What exactely are calling Fake veneer????
> Is it a vinyl or a Melamine, If it Melamine there is a lemaine glue but I
do
> not know if it is available other than through Commercial Distributers
> I would think that it would hold on the vinyl also but cannot say for sure
>
> Good Luck,
> George
It's that stuff that Walmart furniture would be coated with ... I believe
it's actually paper, because it gets damaged by standing water very quickly.
Thanks,
Harry
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> To get anything to stick to it - you have to rough up the surface first.
>
> I re-faced a formica dresser one time w/ maple veneer. First thing I did
> was take my belt sander w/ 100 grit and give it once over. Then used
> contact cement to adhere the veneer. 2 years later - still holding
strong.
>
Thanks, I can rough up the part which will be glued no problem. I also
tried silicone glue just now, and it seems to stick better than anything
else so far. However, I still have the problem of what to use to apply a
protective clear coat over the whole unit. I can't rough up the whole thing
since I'm trying to keep the existing finish, I just want to protect it from
water.
Thanks,
Harry
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:RskMb.27517$nt4.52780@attbi_s51...
> >So far the only clear coat I tried is polyurethane varnish which come
off.
>
> What do you mean by this? Poly takes several days to cure. Months to
cure
> completely.
>
I applied three coats to a test piece, waiting 2 to 3 hours between each
coat according to the instructions (btw, this was spray on poly). Then
after three days (when I realized that most glues don't want to stick to
this stuff) I wanted to see how well it stuck to the surface, so I tried to
scratch it lightly with my finger nail and right away it began to separate
from the surface. You can then just peel it away.
Harry
Looks like it is time to take up woodworking Harry.
As you have already seen the paper veneer, being slick and non porous isn't
about to let anything stick to it. It's the nature of the beast.
Now Zinsser makes a dewaxed shellac finish called Bull's Eye SealCoat.
Shellac has a reputation for sticking to things and having things stick to
it. Since the thought of using paper covered press board isn't something
that has ever occurred to me I can't say if it will stick to the veneer or
not but it may be worth a try. If it does you will be able to get a coat of
varnish onto the piece.
Were I you I would forget trying to strengthen the screw joints because
even if you find a glue that will take, the bond will only be as strong as
the paper veneer to press board interface. Even if a glue stuck what you
would have essentially done is glue paper to paper.
I'd try the shellac but would not hold out much hope for any real
protection.
I think you very best bet and the simplest solution is to get some tempered
glass cut to fit the top, put a clear silicone (silicon?) caulk all the way
around the edge of the glass, on the underside, then put that on the top.
Your real problem causer would be with standing water and the glass and
caulk will prevent any of sitting water getting to the veneer top.
Obviously you'll have to be astute about wiping up water spilled anywhere
else but if you do it right away you shouldn't have a problem.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Harry Muscle" <fake@[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > An interesting concept, a water proof glue too put together two pieces
of
> > material that will turn tits up at the merest hint of water.
> >
> > Let us know how you make out.
> >
> > PS, if you can't put it together with epoxy you aren't going to get it
> > together with anything.
>
> Actually the plan is to water proof the finished product, however, I'm
> having problems with that too since the polyurethane peels off this stuff.
> It's quite difficult to find a fish tank stand that looks good, and
> unfortunately this was the only one that fit color and style wise in our
> living room, so I'm stuck working with what I got. Just looking for help
in
> making it better ... especially water proofing the particle board & paper
> veneer.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
>
>
>So far the only clear coat I tried is polyurethane varnish which come off.
What do you mean by this? Poly takes several days to cure. Months to cure
completely.
"Harry Muscle" <fake@[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi Harry,
> >
> > A thin film of construction adhesive or contact adhesive, a wise move
> would
> > be to rough up slightly the contact points for even better adhesion.
Wipe
> > off immediately anything that squeezes out when you tighten the screws.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --
> > © Jon Down ®
> > My eBay items currently listed:
> >
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=lamblies&
include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25
>
> Thanks, I might try that. I also just did an experiment with silicone
glue
> and it seems to hold pretty decent. However, I still have to figure out
> what to use to protect the whole unit from any water damage. So far the
> only clear coat I tried is polyurethane varnish which come off.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
>
>
"Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> An interesting concept, a water proof glue too put together two pieces of
> material that will turn tits up at the merest hint of water.
>
> Let us know how you make out.
>
> PS, if you can't put it together with epoxy you aren't going to get it
> together with anything.
Actually the plan is to water proof the finished product, however, I'm
having problems with that too since the polyurethane peels off this stuff.
It's quite difficult to find a fish tank stand that looks good, and
unfortunately this was the only one that fit color and style wise in our
living room, so I'm stuck working with what I got. Just looking for help in
making it better ... especially water proofing the particle board & paper
veneer.
Thanks,
Harry
What exactely are calling Fake veneer????
Is it a vinyl or a Melamine, If it Melamine there is a lemaine glue but I do
not know if it is available other than through Commercial Distributers
I would think that it would hold on the vinyl also but cannot say for sure
Good Luck,
George
"Harry Muscle" <fake@[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm putting together a piece of furniture that is made of particle board
> covered in that fake wood veneer (wood print). Since this is a fish tank
> stand that will support 600lb of water, I would like to use glue as well
as
> the supplied screws to hold everything together, however, I'm having a
> problem finding a glue that will stick to this wood print veneer. So far
I
> have tried polyurethane glue (LePage PL Premium), standard epoxy, 5 minute
> epoxy. I also covered a test piece in polyurethane varnish (since this is
> how I'm hoping to water proof it), and after letting it dry two days, it
> comes off in sheets when you use your fingernail to scratch it.
>
> So I'm wondering if anyone knows of a glue that would stick to this fake
> wood veneer and also a waterproof clear coat that I could apply to it to
> help in water proofing everything.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
>
>
An interesting concept, a water proof glue too put together two pieces of
material that will turn tits up at the merest hint of water.
Let us know how you make out.
PS, if you can't put it together with epoxy you aren't going to get it
together with anything.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Harry Muscle" <fake@[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm putting together a piece of furniture that is made of particle board
> covered in that fake wood veneer (wood print). Since this is a fish tank
> stand that will support 600lb of water, I would like to use glue as well
as
> the supplied screws to hold everything together, however, I'm having a
> problem finding a glue that will stick to this wood print veneer. So far
I
> have tried polyurethane glue (LePage PL Premium), standard epoxy, 5 minute
> epoxy. I also covered a test piece in polyurethane varnish (since this is
> how I'm hoping to water proof it), and after letting it dry two days, it
> comes off in sheets when you use your fingernail to scratch it.
>
> So I'm wondering if anyone knows of a glue that would stick to this fake
> wood veneer and also a waterproof clear coat that I could apply to it to
> help in water proofing everything.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
>
>
To get anything to stick to it - you have to rough up the surface first.
I re-faced a formica dresser one time w/ maple veneer. First thing I did
was take my belt sander w/ 100 grit and give it once over. Then used
contact cement to adhere the veneer. 2 years later - still holding strong.
"Harry Muscle" <fake@[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm putting together a piece of furniture that is made of particle board
> covered in that fake wood veneer (wood print). Since this is a fish tank
> stand that will support 600lb of water, I would like to use glue as well
as
> the supplied screws to hold everything together, however, I'm having a
> problem finding a glue that will stick to this wood print veneer. So far
I
> have tried polyurethane glue (LePage PL Premium), standard epoxy, 5 minute
> epoxy. I also covered a test piece in polyurethane varnish (since this is
> how I'm hoping to water proof it), and after letting it dry two days, it
> comes off in sheets when you use your fingernail to scratch it.
>
> So I'm wondering if anyone knows of a glue that would stick to this fake
> wood veneer and also a waterproof clear coat that I could apply to it to
> help in water proofing everything.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
>
>
Titrebond makes a melamine glue that may work for your project. Not
easy to find tho based on my experience.
See:
http://www.titebond.com/IntroPageTB.ASP?UserType=1&ProdSel=ProductCategoryTB.asp?prodcat=1On
Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:02:31 -0500, "Harry Muscle" <fake@[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm putting together a piece of furniture that is made of particle board
>covered in that fake wood veneer (wood print). Since this is a fish tank
>stand that will support 600lb of water, I would like to use glue as well as
>the supplied screws to hold everything together, however, I'm having a
>problem finding a glue that will stick to this wood print veneer. So far I
>have tried polyurethane glue (LePage PL Premium), standard epoxy, 5 minute
>epoxy. I also covered a test piece in polyurethane varnish (since this is
>how I'm hoping to water proof it), and after letting it dry two days, it
>comes off in sheets when you use your fingernail to scratch it.
>
>So I'm wondering if anyone knows of a glue that would stick to this fake
>wood veneer and also a waterproof clear coat that I could apply to it to
>help in water proofing everything.
>
>Thanks,
>Harry
>
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:49:45 -0500, "Harry Muscle"
<fake@[email protected]> wrote:
>"Charles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:03:44 -0500, "Harry Muscle"
>> <fake@[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> An interesting concept, a water proof glue too put together two pieces
>of
>> >> material that will turn tits up at the merest hint of water.
>> >>
>> >> Let us know how you make out.
>> >>
>> >> PS, if you can't put it together with epoxy you aren't going to get it
>> >> together with anything.
>> >
>> >Actually the plan is to water proof the finished product, however, I'm
>> >having problems with that too since the polyurethane peels off this
>stuff.
>> >It's quite difficult to find a fish tank stand that looks good, and
>> >unfortunately this was the only one that fit color and style wise in our
>> >living room, so I'm stuck working with what I got. Just looking for help
>in
>> >making it better ... especially water proofing the particle board & paper
>> >veneer.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Harry
>> >
>>
>>
>> I have no idea how it would work on the paper, nut I have used West
>> Systems penetrating epoxy to waterproof wood.
>> --
>>
>> - Charles
>> -
>> -does not play well with others
>
>Does the finished product look similar to a normal clear finish (ie: poly,
>etc.) or does it go on thicker?
>
>Thanks,
>Harry
>
On wood it goes away, it sinks into the wood and leaves a surface that
just looks like wood. I have left it raw and painted over it, but
never tried it with the paper you are talking about.
--
- Charles
-
-does not play well with others
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:03:44 -0500, "Harry Muscle"
<fake@[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> An interesting concept, a water proof glue too put together two pieces of
>> material that will turn tits up at the merest hint of water.
>>
>> Let us know how you make out.
>>
>> PS, if you can't put it together with epoxy you aren't going to get it
>> together with anything.
>
>Actually the plan is to water proof the finished product, however, I'm
>having problems with that too since the polyurethane peels off this stuff.
>It's quite difficult to find a fish tank stand that looks good, and
>unfortunately this was the only one that fit color and style wise in our
>living room, so I'm stuck working with what I got. Just looking for help in
>making it better ... especially water proofing the particle board & paper
>veneer.
>
>Thanks,
>Harry
>
I have no idea how it would work on the paper, nut I have used West
Systems penetrating epoxy to waterproof wood.
--
- Charles
-
-does not play well with others
"P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Harry,
>
> A thin film of construction adhesive or contact adhesive, a wise move
would
> be to rough up slightly the contact points for even better adhesion. Wipe
> off immediately anything that squeezes out when you tighten the screws.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> © Jon Down ®
> My eBay items currently listed:
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=lamblies&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25
Thanks, I might try that. I also just did an experiment with silicone glue
and it seems to hold pretty decent. However, I still have to figure out
what to use to protect the whole unit from any water damage. So far the
only clear coat I tried is polyurethane varnish which come off.
Thanks,
Harry