In my bathroom is a space about 12" deep and 11" wide that would be an
ideal place for some shelves. Only problem making some is, the house
is old and the walls on either side of this space are not quite
parallel. They're about .5" further apart at the opening than at the
back. Additionally, I'm not positive that either side meets the back
at a right angle.
Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might make a template of
such a difficult space in order to cut some shelves? Is there a tool I
can use to measure the interior angles?
you could triangulate using two corners (exterior or interior) as your
measuing guide.
1. choose two corners (A and B) (leaving corners C and D)
2. Measure distance from A to B (AB)
3. Measure that distance on your template and mark the corners.
4. Measure AC and BC.
5. Draw an arch of radius AC with center A
6. Draw an arch of radius BC with center B
7. Mark the intersection of the two arcs as C.
8-10. repeat 5-7 only for AD, BD, and D
ummm... i think that's right...
;)
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"Caractacus Potts" <[email protected]> writes:
>Or you could spend 5.00 and get a bevel.
(shhh!)
Don't pay attention to that man behind the cur^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hin the Potts....
A bevel would never work....and it certainly wouldn't be much
easier and faster....
You *must* triangulate and measure every little bit...
;)
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"Spellcheck" <[email protected]> writes:
>"Jim Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Can someone just tell us about "ticksticking"?
>Apparently not.
From at least one picture, it looke like a crude form of using a "pin
profile" tool (looks like a bunch of nails in a row that you push
against a piece of molding to get a profile)
From the picture i saw in one of the posted links, it looks like you
take a board and a bunch of sticks, and tack the sticks to the board
so the ends touch "key points" (corners, high spots, etc)
Once you "stick" enough points, you remove your template, put it on
your piece of work, and "connect the dots" (which happen to be the end
of the sticks).
Hope this made sense.
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Pete from Boston wrote:
>
> In my bathroom is a space about 12" deep and 11" wide that would be an
> ideal place for some shelves. Only problem making some is, the house
> is old and the walls on either side of this space are not quite
> parallel. They're about .5" further apart at the opening than at the
> back. Additionally, I'm not positive that either side meets the back
> at a right angle.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might make a template of
> such a difficult space in order to cut some shelves? Is there a tool I
> can use to measure the interior angles?
What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist, what
a buncha dopes.
"Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
years. Look it up on the web.
Randy Calhoun wrote:
>
> Pete from Boston wrote:
> >
> > In my bathroom is a space about 12" deep and 11" wide that would be an
> > ideal place for some shelves. Only problem making some is, the house
> > is old and the walls on either side of this space are not quite
> > parallel. They're about .5" further apart at the opening than at the
> > back. Additionally, I'm not positive that either side meets the back
> > at a right angle.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might make a template of
> > such a difficult space in order to cut some shelves? Is there a tool I
> > can use to measure the interior angles?
>
> What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist, what
> a buncha dopes.
>
> "Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
> years. Look it up on the web.
Just help out anyone confused by the rather odd wording of the
above posting (by Cal-Hoon): although obviously the poster is
very knowledgeable. 'Ticksticking' as used in ship/boat repairs
etc. What a smart idea!
Maroons = Morons?
Carboard = Cardboard?
krist = Christ? (Capitalized; generally acknowledged as a
leading, famous and/or historic religious figure.)
buncha = bunch of?
It's called "using a speller" (or 'Spellcheck'). Been around for
quite a while; very useful for those of us whose spelling isn't
quite up to a normal educational standard. You can look up
"Spelling" on the web or in a dictionary!
For clarity; either 'North American' or 'English' with subtle
differences of spelling are both quite acceptable.
Felicitously yours. Terry. :-)
Randy Calhoun wrote:
> What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist, what
> a buncha dopes.
>
> "Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
> years. Look it up on the web.
I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes up
with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no information.
Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a term.
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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Nova wrote:
>
> Randy Calhoun wrote:
>
> > What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist, what
> > a buncha dopes.
> >
> > "Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
> > years. Look it up on the web.
>
> I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes up
> with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no information.
> Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a term.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
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Jack:
I've seen it in a book circa. the 1970s, about boat building. It
is a method to 'take off' i.e. transfer the curves of a boat hull
onto a template or pattern that is then used to make items, such
as bulkheads, cabinets etc. which are then fitted into the boat.
Have the book but can't find item right now in which IIRC it is
referred to a as a 'tick-board', presumably the same thing?
Cheers.
Manny Davis wrote:
> Nova <[email protected]> wrote in
>
> > I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes
> > up with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no
> > information. Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a
> > term.
>
> It's a useful (and very simple) technique for laying out material to fit
> into odd shapes, but I wouldn't use it to lay out an 11 x 11 shelf.
Is it the same as using a "story stick"?
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Terry wrote:
> Jack:
> I've seen it in a book circa. the 1970s, about boat building. It
> is a method to 'take off' i.e. transfer the curves of a boat hull
> onto a template or pattern that is then used to make items, such
> as bulkheads, cabinets etc. which are then fitted into the boat.
> Have the book but can't find item right now in which IIRC it is
> referred to a as a 'tick-board', presumably the same thing?
> Cheers.
Thanks. I was able to find information searching for " +"tick board" +boat".
For a simple irregular shaped shelve it would seem to me that a taped together
cardboard templet sure would be one heck of a lot easier with less chance for
error.
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Manny Davis wrote:
>
> Nova <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Randy Calhoun wrote:
> >
> >> What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist,
> >> what a buncha dopes.
> >>
> >> "Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
> >> years. Look it up on the web.
> >
> > I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes
> > up with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no
> > information. Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a
> > term.
>
> It's a useful (and very simple) technique for laying out material to fit
> into odd shapes, but I wouldn't use it to lay out an 11 x 11 shelf.
Excellent method for installing that bench seat top in a bay window,
etc.
Jim Thompson wrote:
> And it's a "by subscription only" page.
>
> Can someone just tell us about "ticksticking"?
Here's the .PDF link that I found searching for "tick board".
http://www.practical-sailor.com/newspics/charts/893scribing.pdf
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Jim Thompson wrote:
> Thanks, Nova!
>
> Piece of trivia I just heard for the first time today...
>
> Buffalo wings are named so because they originated in a bar in
> Buffalo, NY ;-)
In Buffalo they are NOT called Buffalo wings. We refer to them as
simply "Wings". Deep fried chicken wings have been popular with the
Afro-American community for a long time. Years ago the butcher shops
would toss the wings as scrap. I understand that prior to "wings"
became a "delicacy", the shops would give the wings away to anyone who
requested them. The "Anchor Bar", whose proprietors' happen to be
black, started serving them at their bar. The rest is history.
The Anchor Bar is located downtown at 1047 Main Street, Buffalo, New
York. Many places in Buffalo have excellent chicken wings, but it's my
opinion that the Anchor Bar still has the best. If you're ever in
Buffalo it's a "must stop" place.
For their recipe (I can't vouch for its authenticity) see:
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/misc/mosaic/common/omega/Web/People/mjw/recipes/meat/chicken/buffalo-wings/buff-wings-2.html
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PM6564 wrote:
> "Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > In Buffalo they are NOT called Buffalo wings. We refer to them as
> > simply "Wings".
>
> What do they call a danish in Denmark?
Basse.
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"Philip Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you could triangulate using two corners (exterior or interior) as your
> measuing guide.
>
> 1. choose two corners (A and B) (leaving corners C and D)
> 2. Measure distance from A to B (AB)
> 3. Measure that distance on your template and mark the corners.
> 4. Measure AC and BC.
> 5. Draw an arch of radius AC with center A
> 6. Draw an arch of radius BC with center B
> 7. Mark the intersection of the two arcs as C.
> 8-10. repeat 5-7 only for AD, BD, and D
>
>
> ummm... i think that's right...
> ;)
>
> --
> be safe.
> flip
> Verso l'esterno! Verso l'esterno! Deamons di ignoranza.
Or you could spend 5.00 and get a bevel.
"Jim Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can someone just tell us about "ticksticking"?
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Apparently not.
Frusatrating, ain't it?
- Spellchecker
Nova wrote:
> I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes
> up with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no
> information. Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a
> term.
This gives better results.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22tick+sticking%22+OR+%22stick+ticking%22
-- Mark
[email protected] (Pete from Boston) writes:
>In my bathroom is a space about 12" deep and 11" wide that would be an
>ideal place for some shelves. Only problem making some is, the house
>is old and the walls on either side of this space are not quite
>parallel. They're about .5" further apart at the opening than at the
>back. Additionally, I'm not positive that either side meets the back
>at a right angle.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might make a template of
>such a difficult space in order to cut some shelves? Is there a tool I
>can use to measure the interior angles?
Use two square pieces of cardboard. They should be narrower than the
width of the opening by a couple inches or so. Mark one 'left' and
the other 'right. Place the left piece in the rear corner
on the left side flush with the rear wall and use a pair of dividers or a
compass to trace the left wall onto the cardboard. Do the same with the
piece marked 'right'. place the two marked pieces on the shelf stock
and ensure that the rear corners of the two pieces are the
correct distance apart (i.e. the back wall length). Cut shelf stock
along same lines traced by the dividers onto the cardboard.
scott
On 21 Nov 2003, Pete from Boston spake unto rec.woodworking:
> In my bathroom is a space about 12" deep and 11" wide that would be an
> ideal place for some shelves. Only problem making some is, the house
> is old and the walls on either side of this space are not quite
> parallel. They're about .5" further apart at the opening than at the
> back. Additionally, I'm not positive that either side meets the back
> at a right angle.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might make a template of
> such a difficult space in order to cut some shelves? Is there a tool I
> can use to measure the interior angles?
How are the shelves going to be supported? If you make cleats of
3/4" stuff, and carefully mount them so they are level, then you can cut an
undersized template which will rest on the cleats. A sheet of cardboard
would do the trick.
Tack the undersized cardboard to the cleats so it can't shift. If
the walls are all kinds of uneven, you'll have to scribe to get a good fit.
But if the walls are even, but out of square, use the short leg of a small
square, or a block of scrap an inch wide and a couple of inches long, and
go around the walls, butting your reference block to the wall and marking
the inside edge on the cardboard.
It is then a simple matter to tack the cardboard to your shelf stock,
and do the process in reverse, putting the block on your lines and marking
the outside edge on your stock. Cut out carefully, and you should have a
nice fit.
Nova <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Randy Calhoun wrote:
>
>> What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist,
>> what a buncha dopes.
>>
>> "Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
>> years. Look it up on the web.
>
> I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes
> up with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no
> information. Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a
> term.
It's a useful (and very simple) technique for laying out material to fit
into odd shapes, but I wouldn't use it to lay out an 11 x 11 shelf.
Nova <[email protected]> wrote
> Is it the same as using a "story stick"?
No.
In article <[email protected]>,
Pete from Boston <[email protected]> wrote:
>In my bathroom is a space about 12" deep and 11" wide that would be an
>ideal place for some shelves. Only problem making some is, the house
>is old and the walls on either side of this space are not quite
>parallel. They're about .5" further apart at the opening than at the
>back. Additionally, I'm not positive that either side meets the back
>at a right angle.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might make a template of
>such a difficult space in order to cut some shelves? Is there a tool I
>can use to measure the interior angles?
You don't need to acually "measure" the angles, just use a bevel gauge
to duplicate them & lay out on the shelf stock. I like my old brass &
rosewood-handled Stanley with the lever lock, but the cheap $6-8
Johnson with a wingnut that I keep in my carryall works just as well.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 22-Nov-2003, [email protected] (Mike) wrote:
>
> > Forget the patterns and bevel squares. It is much easier, cheaper and
> > gives a neater and more proffessional result to just make a cabinet a
> > bit smaller than the hole and just slide it in. You guys are turning a
> > few shelves into a boatbuilding project.
>
> I've been holding off suggesting that the walls be fixed so that they're
> square. But that's the way I approach such a problem. I'd prefer a
> well made house than a patched up shelf.
>
> Mike
You're suggesting building a cabinet in lieu of putting in some cleats and
*they're* turning it into a boatbuilding project?
(Mike) wrote:
> >
> > > Forget the patterns and bevel squares. It is much easier, cheaper and
> > > gives a neater and more proffessional result to just make a cabinet a
> > > bit smaller than the hole and just slide it in. You guys are turning a
> > > few shelves into a boatbuilding project.
> >
>
> You're suggesting building a cabinet in lieu of putting in some cleats and
> *they're* turning it into a boatbuilding project?
Exactly. It is faster, easier, looks better and is cheaper to build an
open cabinet than to fart around leveling cleats, making patterns and
scribing shelves. You end up with a nice cabinet with adjustable
shelves and one could easily add doors at a later date as well.
Mike
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Nova!
> >
> > Piece of trivia I just heard for the first time today...
> >
> > Buffalo wings are named so because they originated in a bar in
> > Buffalo, NY ;-)
>
> In Buffalo they are NOT called Buffalo wings. We refer to them as
> simply "Wings".
What do they call a danish in Denmark?
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:45:42 GMT, Nova <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Randy Calhoun wrote:
>
>> What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist, what
>> a buncha dopes.
>>
>> "Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
>> years. Look it up on the web.
>
>I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes up
>with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no information.
>Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a term.
And it's a "by subscription only" page.
Can someone just tell us about "ticksticking"?
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Good Grief!
Make a square box that slips in the hole and has some facing around the
opening. Drill some holes for shelf pins, slip it in and enjoy!
Wilson
"Pete from Boston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In my bathroom is a space about 12" deep and 11" wide that would be an
> ideal place for some shelves. Only problem making some is, the house
> is old and the walls on either side of this space are not quite
> parallel. They're about .5" further apart at the opening than at the
> back. Additionally, I'm not positive that either side meets the back
> at a right angle.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might make a template of
> such a difficult space in order to cut some shelves? Is there a tool I
> can use to measure the interior angles?
Mark Jerde wrote:
> Nova wrote:
>
>> I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes
>> up with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no
>> information. Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a
>> term.
>
> This gives better results.
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22tick+sticking%22+OR+%22stick+ticking%22
>
> -- Mark
It's one of those "Lysdextics of the world, untie" terms. ;-)
-- Mark
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:45:42 GMT, Nova <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Randy Calhoun wrote:
>
>> What a buncha maroons answered you on this one. "Carboard" krist, what
>> a buncha dopes.
>>
>> "Ticksticking" It's a technique that's been around for thousands of
>> years. Look it up on the web.
>
>I've never heard of the term "ticksticking". A "Google" search comes up
>with two hits, both for the same page. That page provides no information.
>Apparently "ticksticking" isn't all that common of a term.
And that page is a pay-to-download article.
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:55:26 GMT, Nova <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>> And it's a "by subscription only" page.
>>
>> Can someone just tell us about "ticksticking"?
>
>Here's the .PDF link that I found searching for "tick board".
>
> http://www.practical-sailor.com/newspics/charts/893scribing.pdf
Thanks, Nova!
Piece of trivia I just heard for the first time today...
Buffalo wings are named so because they originated in a bar in
Buffalo, NY ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On 22-Nov-2003, [email protected] (Mike) wrote:
> Forget the patterns and bevel squares. It is much easier, cheaper and
> gives a neater and more proffessional result to just make a cabinet a
> bit smaller than the hole and just slide it in. You guys are turning a
> few shelves into a boatbuilding project.
I've been holding off suggesting that the walls be fixed so that they're
square. But that's the way I approach such a problem. I'd prefer a
well made house than a patched up shelf.
Mike