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Caleb

25/01/2004 2:37 PM

Air Cleaner Review

I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS. I remember seeing them being
reviewed in I beleive FWW, but cant find the article. In all of the
posts here, everyone else also seems to have forgotten.

Anyone remember which issue they tested the 6 or so Air Cleaners?

--Caleb


This topic has 18 replies

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Clarke Echols

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

25/01/2004 6:02 PM

Why not get a good cyclone collection system that catches all of the
dust as it's generated so it doesn't get into your shop atmosphere, then
filter it properly before recirculating? Then you won't need the air
cleaner. http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm

Cyclone kits and blower housings at
http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/ClarkesKits.cfm

Add a motor, impeller, and filter plus ductwork and you're all set.
Clean air everywhere! Contact me privately if you need more info.

Clarke

Caleb wrote:
>
> I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
> decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS. I remember seeing them being
> reviewed in I beleive FWW, but cant find the article. In all of the
> posts here, everyone else also seems to have forgotten.
>
> Anyone remember which issue they tested the 6 or so Air Cleaners?
>
> --Caleb

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to Clarke Echols on 25/01/2004 6:02 PM

26/01/2004 1:45 AM

Clarke Echols spams:

>
>Why not get a good cyclone collection system that catches all of the
>dust as it's generated so it doesn't get into your shop atmosphere, then
>filter it properly before recirculating? Then you won't need the air
>cleaner. http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
>
>Cyclone kits and blower housings at

Once is adding info. Three times that I've hit is spamming.

Charlie Self
"Character is much easier kept than recovered." Thomas Paine

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to Clarke Echols on 25/01/2004 6:02 PM

26/01/2004 3:32 AM

Caleb wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> Clarke's post seems like spam to me. I didnt ask about a DC system.
> I have a DC, thank you, and it works fine.

Bet it doesn't. ;-) The micro dust is a relatively new known problem.

-- Mark


tB

[email protected] (BIG JOE)

in reply to Clarke Echols on 25/01/2004 6:02 PM

26/01/2004 10:34 AM

Yep, I even posted a follow up question to Clarke (if that's his real
name) on another thread, and suprise, suprise, he never came back.

I think he's ripe for the killfile.

Joe






> Clarke Echols spams:
>
> >
> >Why not get a good cyclone collection system that catches all of the
> >dust as it's generated so it doesn't get into your shop atmosphere, then
> >filter it properly before recirculating? Then you won't need the air
> >cleaner. http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
> >
> >Cyclone kits and blower housings at
>
> Once is adding info. Three times that I've hit is spamming.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Character is much easier kept than recovered." Thomas Paine
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Clarke Echols on 25/01/2004 6:02 PM

26/01/2004 6:49 PM

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:36:09 -0800, Caleb <caleb[remove
this]@speedband.com> brought forth from the murky depths:

>Agreed.
>
>Clarke's post seems like spam to me. I didnt ask about a DC system.
>I have a DC, thank you, and it works fine. Problem is that it doesnt
>work for everything (like sanding a large carcase). Furthermore, my DC
>is mounted outside the garage, so it doenst even have to return fresh
>air. I do make sure to leave the door open so I dont collapse the
>windows.

I was thumbing through some old ShopNotes mags yesterday when
I saw an idea for a quick air filter which used the DC. Take
a duct to a box with pleated furnace filter installed on the
other side. If you combined that with a filter in the open
DC air intake window, you'd remove a lot of dust that way
without adding yet another energy draw. It led me to think
that the installation of a box around my DC bags to filter
their output air might be the way to go for me. Alternatively,
putting a solid bag on the bottom and adding a sub-micron
pleated filter to the top might be easier and accomplish the
same thing. A pleated filter taped to a box fan could also
stir up the air and catch the larger stuff before finishing.

ShopNotes volume 4, issue 20, page 29 if anyone's interested.


>Again, does anybody remember what magazine/issue the Air Cleaner test
>is in. Or, absent the issue, anyone remember the result (the winner)?

No, but http://www.google.com/search?q=shop+air+filter+reviews
might get it for you.


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Caleb

in reply to Clarke Echols on 25/01/2004 6:02 PM

25/01/2004 6:36 PM

Agreed.

Clarke's post seems like spam to me. I didnt ask about a DC system.
I have a DC, thank you, and it works fine. Problem is that it doesnt
work for everything (like sanding a large carcase). Furthermore, my DC
is mounted outside the garage, so it doenst even have to return fresh
air. I do make sure to leave the door open so I dont collapse the
windows.

Again, does anybody remember what magazine/issue the Air Cleaner test
is in. Or, absent the issue, anyone remember the result (the winner)?

--Caleb


On 26 Jan 2004 01:45:02 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:

>Clarke Echols spams:
>
>>
>>Why not get a good cyclone collection system that catches all of the
>>dust as it's generated so it doesn't get into your shop atmosphere, then
>>filter it properly before recirculating? Then you won't need the air
>>cleaner. http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
>>
>>Cyclone kits and blower housings at
>
>Once is adding info. Three times that I've hit is spamming.
>
>Charlie Self
>"Character is much easier kept than recovered." Thomas Paine
>
>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

jj

jev

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

26/01/2004 1:02 AM

DOn't remember where review was but IIRC the JDS was winner. Pretty
sure i remember correctly cuz i started pricing it for purchase
afterwards altho still haven't laid down my $'s.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:26:36 -0800, Caleb <> wrote:

>Thanks, John, but the articles that FWW's website refers to are in
>Issue #160, the Winter '02/03 Tools & Shops issue (?), which has a
>Delta Cleaner update only (no review) and a Methods of Work article on
>using a 20" box fan witha heater filter attached. Darn.
>
>Still not the Air Cleaner Review I remember seeing.
>
>Anybody else experiencing the same deja vu as me?
>
>--Caleb
>
>On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:38:24 GMT, John Laurence Poole
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Caleb wrote:
>>> I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
>>> decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS. I remember seeing them being
>>> reviewed in I beleive FWW, but cant find the article. In all of the
>>> posts here, everyone else also seems to have forgotten.
>>>
>>> Anyone remember which issue they tested the 6 or so Air Cleaners?
>>You can determine which issue the article appears in at the online index:
>>
>>http://www.taunton.com/cgi-bin/artresult-fw.cgi
>>
>>If you enter "air cleaner" as the search words you will obtain the
>>information you seek.
>>
>>>
>>> --Caleb
>>
>>John

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

26/01/2004 12:15 AM

WORSS wrote:

> How do you get a low cost
> blower? That seems to be the key?

Yes, that is a key.

I got mine a $0 (zero) from the people who service my heater and air
conditioner twice a year. I asked for a furnace blower that would otherwise
go to the dump and a short time later they called that one was in their shop
ready for me to pick up.

Get to know the heating/AC people in your area. If you're in an area like
mine, with homes built in the 1960's, several completely servicable blowers
are being tossed into landfills each week. You'll be doing the environment
a favor by recycling. <g> The bearings and motor are replacable. The fan
and housing should last for 500,000 years.

-- Mark

JL

John Laurence Poole

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

26/01/2004 2:38 AM



Caleb wrote:
> I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
> decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS. I remember seeing them being
> reviewed in I beleive FWW, but cant find the article. In all of the
> posts here, everyone else also seems to have forgotten.
>
> Anyone remember which issue they tested the 6 or so Air Cleaners?
You can determine which issue the article appears in at the online index:

http://www.taunton.com/cgi-bin/artresult-fw.cgi

If you enter "air cleaner" as the search words you will obtain the
information you seek.

>
> --Caleb

John

Df

"Duane"

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

26/01/2004 6:24 PM

American Woodworker, #103 October 2003

I just ordered the JDS at the New Jersey Wood show. Don't recall if it is
mentioned in the article,but all of the filters are available from Graingers
and McMaster Carr.

Duane

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

25/01/2004 11:27 PM

Jim Wilson wrote:

> Making an air cleaner is an easy project. If you want a downdraft
> sanding table, you can get double-duty out of the time.

http://www.wood-workers.com/users/charlieb/CBAirCleaner.html

-- Mark

JW

Jim Wilson

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

25/01/2004 11:24 PM

wrote...
> I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
> decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS.

Making an air cleaner is an easy project. If you want a downdraft sanding
table, you can get double-duty out of the time.

Jim

lt

"leonard"

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

25/01/2004 11:34 PM

hi the test said the JDS cleaner was the best followed by the delta.

len
<Caleb> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Thanks, John, but the articles that FWW's website refers to are in
> Issue #160, the Winter '02/03 Tools & Shops issue (?), which has a
> Delta Cleaner update only (no review) and a Methods of Work article on
> using a 20" box fan witha heater filter attached. Darn.
>
> Still not the Air Cleaner Review I remember seeing.
>
> Anybody else experiencing the same deja vu as me?
>
> --Caleb
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:38:24 GMT, John Laurence Poole
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Caleb wrote:
> >> I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
> >> decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS. I remember seeing them being
> >> reviewed in I beleive FWW, but cant find the article. In all of the
> >> posts here, everyone else also seems to have forgotten.
> >>
> >> Anyone remember which issue they tested the 6 or so Air Cleaners?
> >You can determine which issue the article appears in at the online index:
> >
> >http://www.taunton.com/cgi-bin/artresult-fw.cgi
> >
> >If you enter "air cleaner" as the search words you will obtain the
> >information you seek.
> >
> >>
> >> --Caleb
> >
> >John
>

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

26/01/2004 1:30 AM

In article <[email protected]>, Clarke Echols <[email protected]> wrote:
>Why not get a good cyclone collection system that catches all of the
>dust as it's generated so it doesn't get into your shop atmosphere, then
>filter it properly before recirculating?

Because _no_ dust collection system picks up 100% of the dust generated in a
woodshop. The air cleaners are for removing the airborne dust that the dust
collection system doesn't get.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

C

Caleb <>

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

25/01/2004 7:26 PM

Thanks, John, but the articles that FWW's website refers to are in
Issue #160, the Winter '02/03 Tools & Shops issue (?), which has a
Delta Cleaner update only (no review) and a Methods of Work article on
using a 20" box fan witha heater filter attached. Darn.

Still not the Air Cleaner Review I remember seeing.

Anybody else experiencing the same deja vu as me?

--Caleb

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:38:24 GMT, John Laurence Poole
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Caleb wrote:
>> I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
>> decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS. I remember seeing them being
>> reviewed in I beleive FWW, but cant find the article. In all of the
>> posts here, everyone else also seems to have forgotten.
>>
>> Anyone remember which issue they tested the 6 or so Air Cleaners?
>You can determine which issue the article appears in at the online index:
>
>http://www.taunton.com/cgi-bin/artresult-fw.cgi
>
>If you enter "air cleaner" as the search words you will obtain the
>information you seek.
>
>>
>> --Caleb
>
>John

CC

Cape Cod Bob

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

25/01/2004 11:14 PM

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:15:00 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>WORSS wrote:
>
>> How do you get a low cost
>> blower? That seems to be the key?
>
>Yes, that is a key.
>
>I got mine a $0 (zero) from the people who service my heater and air
>conditioner twice a year. I asked for a furnace blower that would otherwise
>go to the dump and a short time later they called that one was in their shop
>ready for me to pick up.

I did the same with the same results. I did not even have a
re;lationship with the HVAC dealer - called four and one said "We have
one now. Come on down."

Easy directions at http://www.ronan.net/~woodwork/airfilter.htm

Wb

"Wilson"

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

26/01/2004 2:57 PM

Workbench magazine #279 (October 2003 issue).


"Caleb" <caleb[remove this]@speedband.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm finally going to break down and buy a pro Air Cleaner, but cant
> decide beteen the Delta, Jet and JDS. I remember seeing them being
> reviewed in I beleive FWW, but cant find the article. In all of the
> posts here, everyone else also seems to have forgotten.
>
> Anyone remember which issue they tested the 6 or so Air Cleaners?
>
> --Caleb

Ww

"WORSS"

in reply to Caleb on 25/01/2004 2:37 PM

25/01/2004 11:38 PM

I was looking to make one a few years ago, but it looked like it would cost
more to make than to buy? How do you get a low cost blower? That seems to
be the key?

Bill


"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Wilson wrote:
>
> > Making an air cleaner is an easy project. If you want a downdraft
> > sanding table, you can get double-duty out of the time.
>
> http://www.wood-workers.com/users/charlieb/CBAirCleaner.html
>
> -- Mark
>
>


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