Greetings All,
I just added a Biesemeyer snap-in spreader to my Unisaw. I am now having
problems with wood binding as it goes past the spreader. I am using thin
kerf blades. Is this a problem? Do I need to use a regular kerf blade with
this spreader? I have looked at the documentation and it doesn't say one
way or another.
Thanks
Don
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:28:54 GMT, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Tim Carver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> What nonsense. The advice you were giving was bad, and you got called
>> on it by more than one person.
>
>Come on Tim, you've never known more than one person to be mistaken? It's
>entirely possible that the spreader was slightly off size. Manufacturing
>tolerances sometimes get by quality control. I don't know about filing one
>of these, but if I found it was an irregular size, I would certainly
>consider altering it if it didn't appear too difficult.After all, I
>consider woodworking as the process of searching for perfection but never
>really finding it. Why in your opinion does his solution *have* to be wrong?
It would be nice if you had posted the line I was responding to:
>Tim, what earns you a snotty remark is your ignorance
I was responding directly to an attack. I had just posted a detailed
post discussing the issue, and then I got called ignorant for my
trouble.
The answer to your question about why his solution is wrong is in my
first post on this thread. It was quite long and very specific, I'm
not going to repeat it. If you have a question about anything I said
in there, I'll be glad to answer it.
Look, the OP was having problems with his Biese spreader binding. He
was looking for advice about what to do. I stand by what I said. Even
if the spreader was too wide, the right thing to do wouldn't be to
file the darn thing down, it would be to send it back to Biesemeyer.
D Smith wrote:
>Greetings All,
>
>I just added a Biesemeyer snap-in spreader to my Unisaw. I am now having
>problems with wood binding as it goes past the spreader. I am using thin
>kerf blades. Is this a problem? Do I need to use a regular kerf blade with
>this spreader? I have looked at the documentation and it doesn't say one
>way or another.
>
>Thanks
>
>Don
Well, you could
measure the thickness of the spreader, and compare that to your blade's
thickness. Tom
Someday, it'll all be over....
Tim, what earns you a snotty remark is your ignorance. I never said
that it should "NOT" require filing; it should not indeed. However,
mine DID require filing and since you know so much, how is it you came
into my shop when I was installing it, looked at the problem and did
not notify me at that time? If you will notice in my past remarks to
other questions about spreaders, I have always advocated the Bies
snap-in spreader. I think it is a most wonderful invention since I USE
it. The stock splitter-spreader was a joke. Doesn't change that fact
that that particular one I bought was slightly oversize but arguing
with you is an exercise in futility so I will quit. Please allow other
people (besides myself) to have problems. You will notice that as you
grow older, not everything is always as It should be.
If the splitter is installed properly(no small task),
you would not be required to "file" anything. The splitter
is a safety device and should be installed "very carefully".
Delta offers a "similar" device but it's not the Biesemeyer.
(Strangely enough,,,Delta owns Biesemeyer)
Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote:
> Actually, I still had to file a little off so wood would feed properly
> but that is no big deal EXCEPT that I paid $125 amd ex[ected a liitle
> more for my money.
>
Yep, the Bessy spreader is ONLY for regular kerf blades
John
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:03:00 GMT, "D Smith" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Greetings All,
>
>I just added a Biesemeyer snap-in spreader to my Unisaw. I am now having
>problems with wood binding as it goes past the spreader. I am using thin
>kerf blades. Is this a problem? Do I need to use a regular kerf blade with
>this spreader? I have looked at the documentation and it doesn't say one
>way or another.
>
>Thanks
>
>Don
>
"Tim Carver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What nonsense. The advice you were giving was bad, and you got called
> on it by more than one person.
Come on Tim, you've never known more than one person to be mistaken? It's
entirely possible that the spreader was slightly off size. Manufacturing
tolerances sometimes get by quality control. I don't know about filing one
of these, but if I found it was an irregular size, I would certainly
consider altering it if it didn't appear too difficult. After all, I
consider woodworking as the process of searching for perfection but never
really finding it. Why in your opinion does his solution *have* to be wrong?
If you read the instructions, you would have noted that
the splitter "will not work" with thin kerf blades.
This is a direct copy from the Biesemeyer site:
" The Biesemeyer® T-Square® Anti-kickback Splitter Is designed to be
used inconjuction with a basket style blade guard. The splitters are not
intended to be used with a thin kerf blade. Minimum saw blade thickness
is 1/8".
D Smith wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> I just added a Biesemeyer snap-in spreader to my Unisaw. I am now having
> problems with wood binding as it goes past the spreader. I am using thin
> kerf blades. Is this a problem?
I have this spreader as well and you do, indeed, need a full-kerf blade
(1/8"). The good thing is that you have a Unisaw, so there is absolutely no
good reason to use a thin-kerf blade with that much horsepower anyway.
Mike
"D Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:oIg_b.41330$Xp.185685@attbi_s54...
> Greetings All,
>
> I just added a Biesemeyer snap-in spreader to my Unisaw. I am now having
> problems with wood binding as it goes past the spreader. I am using thin
> kerf blades. Is this a problem? Do I need to use a regular kerf blade
with
> this spreader? I have looked at the documentation and it doesn't say one
> way or another.
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
>
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:19:13 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Actually Mike, you are wrong. I understand that is "should" not
>require filing but it did. Ever hear of the word "micrometer" ? It
>reads in very small dimensions-like ten-thousandths of an inch. So I
>will state it again, I HAD to file a little off.
Mike is right, you shouldn't have to file the Biese spreader if you
are using a full kerf blade.
In reply to your snotty comment, yes, most of us have heard of the
word micrometer and we do know what ten-thousandths measurements are.
But in this case, you aren't close to having to deal with
ten-thousandths of an inch between the width of the Biese spreader and
a full kerf blade, because the difference in width is more like a
hundredth. I've got my blade and Biese spreader in front of me right
now. The Biese spreader measures .116, plus or minus half a thou.
The blade (full kerf CMT general) measures .127 across the teeth,
plus or minus a couple of thou. So the blade is a between 9
thousandths and 13 thousandths wider than the splitter. That's a
minimum clearance around the splitter of nearly half a hundredth per
side if the splitter is correctly aligned with the center of the kerf.
It's tight, but nowhere near as tight as you are saying. If your kerf
isn't as wide as that .116 splitter, then you don't really have
anywhere near a full kerf blade.
And let me repeat what Mike said - it's no small task getting that
thing aligned properly. I spent an afternoon with a good alignment
tool working at it until I got it right. It's just very difficult to
get that thing bolted up so that it is perfectly aligned, because it
moves easily when you're trying to bolt it in. Half a hundredth per
side is not all that much, particularly when the blade is cranked up
to full extension so that any tiny alignment error is greatly
amplified.
And you don't need mikes for this setup; dial indicators on a good
base that rides snug in the miter slot are fine. For Pete's sakes,
you can bend the spreader blade back and forth 2 or 3 thousandths with
your hand, you just don't need mikes for this problem.
Anyway, the point is, as Mike said, filing on the spreader is NOT the
right thing to do.
>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:18:23 GMT, Pat Barber
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>If the splitter is installed properly(no small task),
>>you would not be required to "file" anything. The splitter
>>is a safety device and should be installed "very carefully".
>>
>>Delta offers a "similar" device but it's not the Biesemeyer.
>>(Strangely enough,,,Delta owns Biesemeyer)
>>
>>Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, I still had to file a little off so wood would feed properly
>>> but that is no big deal EXCEPT that I paid $125 amd ex[ected a liitle
>>> more for my money.
>>>
Actually, I still had to file a little off so wood would feed properly
but that is no big deal EXCEPT that I paid $125 amd ex[ected a liitle
more for my money.
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:24:09 GMT, Pat Barber
<[email protected]> wrote:
>If you read the instructions, you would have noted that
>the splitter "will not work" with thin kerf blades.
>
>This is a direct copy from the Biesemeyer site:
>
>" The Biesemeyer® T-Square® Anti-kickback Splitter Is designed to be
>used inconjuction with a basket style blade guard. The splitters are not
>intended to be used with a thin kerf blade. Minimum saw blade thickness
>is 1/8".
>
>
>D Smith wrote:
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> I just added a Biesemeyer snap-in spreader to my Unisaw. I am now having
>> problems with wood binding as it goes past the spreader. I am using thin
>> kerf blades. Is this a problem?
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:10:18 -0800, Tim Carver
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Anyway, the point is, as Mike said, filing on the spreader is NOT the
>right thing to do.
>
Sorry, it looks like Pat Barber is the person who really said that,
not Mike. Anyway, Pat is right.
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:30:33 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Tim, what earns you a snotty remark is your ignorance
The snotty remark I referred to was made by you in your reply to
another poster. I didn't even join the thread until after you attacked
his intelligence for simply telling you the truth.
>that it should "NOT" require filing; it should not indeed. However,
>mine DID require filing and since you know so much, how is it you came
I
>into my shop when I was installing it, looked at the problem and did
Hey, I would have come over and helped you, but you forgot to call!
> Please allow other >people (besides myself) to have problems.
>You will notice that as you >grow older, not everything is always as It should be.
What nonsense. The advice you were giving was bad, and you got called
on it by more than one person.
I have never claimed OR advised ANYONE to file a spreader. I just
stated that I had to file mine. And someone who wasn't here, never saw
it, never used , said that I was wrong. ?????
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:28:54 GMT, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Tim Carver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> What nonsense. The advice you were giving was bad, and you got called
>> on it by more than one person.
>
>Come on Tim, you've never known more than one person to be mistaken? It's
>entirely possible that the spreader was slightly off size. Manufacturing
>tolerances sometimes get by quality control. I don't know about filing one
>of these, but if I found it was an irregular size, I would certainly
>consider altering it if it didn't appear too difficult. After all, I
>consider woodworking as the process of searching for perfection but never
>really finding it. Why in your opinion does his solution *have* to be wrong?
>
In article <oIg_b.41330$Xp.185685@attbi_s54>,
"D Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> I just added a Biesemeyer snap-in spreader to my Unisaw. I am now having
> problems with wood binding as it goes past the spreader. I am using thin
> kerf blades. Is this a problem? Do I need to use a regular kerf blade with
> this spreader? I have looked at the documentation and it doesn't say one
> way or another.
I just installed one of these the other day. Yes, you need a full kerf
blade. The splitter is too thick (as you've discovered) to work with a
thin kerf blade.
Actually Mike, you are wrong. I understand that is "should" not
require filing but it did. Ever hear of the word "micrometer" ? It
reads in very small dimensions-like ten-thousandths of an inch. So I
will state it again, I HAD to file a little off.
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:18:23 GMT, Pat Barber
<[email protected]> wrote:
>If the splitter is installed properly(no small task),
>you would not be required to "file" anything. The splitter
>is a safety device and should be installed "very carefully".
>
>Delta offers a "similar" device but it's not the Biesemeyer.
>(Strangely enough,,,Delta owns Biesemeyer)
>
>Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote:
>
>> Actually, I still had to file a little off so wood would feed properly
>> but that is no big deal EXCEPT that I paid $125 amd ex[ected a liitle
>> more for my money.
>>