Evening all,
All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess who
Pentair sold Delta too?".
To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the drain....
Thanks,
David.
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"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Evening all,
>
> All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess
who
> Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
> you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
> Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
> Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the
drain....
Oddly enough, the only Delta tools I own are a 1950 unisaw, a 1972
delta/rockwell jointer, and a 1995 delta tenon jig which I still have never
used. I don't think I'll miss this sale too much. However, I do feel bad
for Norm.
SH
"GTO69RA4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Oddly enough, the only Delta tools I own are a 1950 unisaw, a 1972
> >delta/rockwell jointer, and a 1995 delta tenon jig which I still have never
> >used. I don't think I'll miss this sale too much. However, I do feel bad
> >for Norm.
> >SH
>
> All my Delta stuff is early '90s back to the '50s, too. The big thing I'd be
> worried about is parts and tech support. Ryobi's is ghastly. Also, when
> Techtronics (Ryobi's parent) bought Homelite a while ago, all the product
> information and parts more than 10 or so years old dissapeared.
>
> GTO(John)
The problem I have had with Ryobi products is poor availability of replacement
parts. However, I recently needed two switches for Ryobi 18 volt drills and was
pleased to find the switches and parts for many Ryobi products are available at
Ordertree.com. Had the parts in four days. Reasonable price too.
Neal
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GTO69RA4 wrote:
> >All my Delta stuff is early '90s back to the '50s, too. The big thing I'd
be
> >worried about is parts and tech support.
>
> A lot of people talk about parts. Are all of you having to
> replace a lot of stuff on a regular basis?
>
> UA100, who can't remember the last time he had to replace a
> part and has a wee bit of Delta in his shoppe...
'bout time you change that saw blade eh? <g>
SH
"GTO69RA4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Also, when
> Techtronics (Ryobi's parent) bought Homelite a while ago, all the product
> information and parts more than 10 or so years old dissapeared.
>
> GTO(John)
I was a Homelite sevice dealer from '84 to '89. Homelite was a dying company
at that time. Funny to see how a company that was big on chain saws now only
sells three differant models! The line has been cut to the bones. I am
surprised that the construction site de-watering pumps are still around.
Greg
>Oddly enough, the only Delta tools I own are a 1950 unisaw, a 1972
>delta/rockwell jointer, and a 1995 delta tenon jig which I still have never
>used. I don't think I'll miss this sale too much. However, I do feel bad
>for Norm.
>SH
All my Delta stuff is early '90s back to the '50s, too. The big thing I'd be
worried about is parts and tech support. Ryobi's is ghastly. Also, when
Techtronics (Ryobi's parent) bought Homelite a while ago, all the product
information and parts more than 10 or so years old dissapeared.
GTO(John)
In article <[email protected]>,
Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> writes:
> A lot of people talk about parts. Are all of you having to
> replace a lot of stuff on a regular basis?
Well, there are all those broken trunnions.
> UA100, who can't remember the last time he had to replace a
> part and has a wee bit of Delta in his shoppe...
Okay, it isn't Delta, but I had to replace a part or two on
a PC 557 which accidentally dropped onto my concrete garage/shop
floor. [Ouch!]
--
Jeff Thunder
Dept. of Mathematical Sciences
Northern Illinois Univ.
jthunder at math dot niu dot edu
GTO69RA4 wrote:
>All my Delta stuff is early '90s back to the '50s, too. The big thing I'd be
>worried about is parts and tech support.
A lot of people talk about parts. Are all of you having to
replace a lot of stuff on a regular basis?
UA100, who can't remember the last time he had to replace a
part and has a wee bit of Delta in his shoppe...
On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:14:57 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>A lot of people talk about parts. Are all of you having to
>replace a lot of stuff on a regular basis?
Come to think of it, NO!
What I would need to eventually replace is actually pretty standard
stuff, such as motors, switches, knives, blades, or belts.
Great point.
Barry
On Tue, 18 May 2004 12:47:22 -0400, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (GTO69RA4) wrote:
>> The big thing I'd be
>> worried about is parts and tech support. Ryobi's is ghastly.
>
>Sears sells a lot of Ryobi stuff, and they are usually very good about
>stocking parts for anything they sell. I was able to get parts for my
>BT-3000 though Sears (ordered right off the Sears web site).
There's a huge difference. Delta is legendary for its parts supply.
The BT3K has been around for what, a dozen years? Big deal having
parts available that long. I've heard that Delta can still supply
parts for tools built in the '40s.
I have a 1950s Model 100 Craftsman saw. I doubt there's a single part
on it I could get replaced (if I wanted to; I have a Unisaw coming
Thursday) other than a standard hardware store nut or bolt. You can
expect Sears will stand behind that Ryobi stuff just as well.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
[email protected] (GTO69RA4) wrote:
> The big thing I'd be
> worried about is parts and tech support. Ryobi's is ghastly.
Sears sells a lot of Ryobi stuff, and they are usually very good about
stocking parts for anything they sell. I was able to get parts for my
BT-3000 though Sears (ordered right off the Sears web site).
<<snipage>>
> generally, by some people's account, Penthair AMF'd Delta up
> till today.
>
> UA100
"AMF'd" as a verb? I like it!
Seeing as how bikes are my OTHER passion, I relly like that one!
Oh...bikes with engines...NOT powered by me. I live a block from a beer
store...when I'm out of beer, I drive.
Mike
"The Davenports" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I live a block from a beer
> store...when I'm out of beer, I drive.
>
> Mike
>
>
Spoken like a true Normite!
Why neander something when a power tool will do it!
Greg
On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:22:54 -0400, "Jon Endres, PE"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The pond is quiet, the air still. The angler slowly draws his arm back
>> and casts. The lure hits the water with a satisfying splash as the angler
>> waits for his prey ...
>
>I don't think so, at least not this time.
>
>That rumor's been flying around for a while, and considering David works for
>a Delta dealer, he'd be one of the first to spread the word.
>
>Jon E
>
It may still happen, but given that the corporations involved have made
no announcements, all this remains is a rumor. Given the various SEC laws
regarding these kinds of transactions, it is highly unlikely that an
employee of a customer of one of those companies would be the first to
start spreading the word.
Having had first-hand experience with being acquired by a different
company, it is one thing to know that your division is on the block, it is
entirely another thing to know who is actually buying that division.
On Tue, 18 May 2004 07:07:54 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 May 2004 04:00:01 GMT, Mark & Juanita
><[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>>On Mon, 17 May 2004 22:32:38 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Evening all,
>>>
>>>All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess who
>>>Pentair sold Delta too?".
>>>
>>>To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
>>>you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>>>
>>>Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>>>
>>>Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the drain....
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>David.
>>
>> The pond is quiet, the air still. The angler slowly draws his arm back
>>and casts. The lure hits the water with a satisfying splash as the angler
>>waits for his prey ...
>
>zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...<snap> Biggun!
>
>Iwouldn't doubt the veracity of the post, though, and it's all due to
>that BFU gray paint they use. Honest.
>
However, I would expect that to be big corporate news, haven't found
anything on either www.pentair.com nor on www.deltawoodworking.com unless
David is privy to information from an insider (who would most likely lose
body parts then be fired for disclosing such information), I would expect
to see this kind of news announced on both websites. Nothing on
http://www.ryobitools.com/ either
> --
> Remember: Every silver lining has a cloud.
> ----
> http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development
On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:41:23 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm glad to already have all the Delta I need.
I hope I don't need any parts...
Barry
Double sigh
I paid for one yesterday - take delivery tomorrow, based a lot on the
excellent LONG term support spoken of in this forum. Bastids.
I can only hope....
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sigh...
>
> UA100
I see no evidence of a sale. Look at the SEC filings, and the recent
trading history of Pentair.
I see that Pentair seems to want to sell the Tools Group but that
doesn't mean they have a qualified buyer.
RB
David F. Eisan wrote:
> Evening all,
>
> All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess who
> Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
> you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
> Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
> Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the drain....
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
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>
>
BD and DW
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
> >
> > Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the
> drain....
>
> May be not a bad thing... Skil and Bosch are affiliated.
>
>
I'm sure someone would put white or green tools in his shop. What an
opportunity for Grizzly. :-)
"Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Evening all,
> >
> > All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess
> who
> > Pentair sold Delta too?".
> >
> > To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with,
"Ah,
> > you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
> >
> > Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
> >
> > Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the
> drain....
>
> Oddly enough, the only Delta tools I own are a 1950 unisaw, a 1972
> delta/rockwell jointer, and a 1995 delta tenon jig which I still have
never
> used. I don't think I'll miss this sale too much. However, I do feel bad
> for Norm.
> SH
>
>
That's the point. :-)
Delta used to be Rockwell, now it's Delta. The line may survive another
ownership change. With all manufacturing being done overseas, the lay of the
land is entirely different. Who knows what lies ahead.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:41:07 -0500, "Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I'm sure someone would put white or green tools in his shop.
>
> Keep in mind when you say "green tools" that only about 20
> manufacturers use green paint.
>
> Barry
Yahoo Finance has the latest Pentair
SEC filing
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/040510/pnr10-q.html
This is a quote from that filing:
On March 16, 2004 we finalized an $850 million committed line of
credit (the "Bridge Facility"). The Bridge Facility is available for a
period up to the earlier of (i) September 1, 2004, (ii) the closing of
the WICOR acquisition without the use of the Bridge Facility or (iii)
the sale of the Pentair Tools Group.
On Mon, 17 May 2004 22:32:38 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Evening all,
>
>All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess who
>Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
>To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
>you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
>Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
>Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the drain....
>
>Thanks,
>
>David.
>
The pond is quiet, the air still. The angler slowly draws his arm back
and casts. The lure hits the water with a satisfying splash as the angler
waits for his prey ...
On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:48:49 GMT, JAW <[email protected]> wrote:
>Barry;
>Ah another WWer and cyclist. I have yet to figure out how to peddle power my TS and safely hold the piece at the same
>time. A little more research is needed.......
>
>JAW
big flywheel. pedal like crazy to get it up to speed, then jump off
and make a cut, pedal some more....
Lowell Holmes wrote:
>Delta used to be Rockwell, now it's Delta.
Actually (listens for the sighing/wailing/gnashing of teeth
sound from anyone who has sat through one of these "beget"
sessions), it goes like this.
Herbert Tautz started Delta Specialty at the end of the
20's. He changed the name to Delta Manufacturing Company in
the 30's.
In 1939 Tautz sold Delta to Timken Detroit Axle/Pittsburgh
Equitable Meter (the beginning of the end).
Timken Detroit Axle/Pittsburgh Equitable Meter morphed
itself into a name change, Rockwell Manufacturing.
Rockwell Manufacturing changed the name to Delta Milwaukee
in the early 40's.
After 1952 Rockwell manufacturing changed the name to Delta
Rockwell onna 'count of there was no Milwaukee anymore (a
continuation of the beginning of the end).
In 1974 Rockwell Manufacturing morphed itself into a name
change/restructuring/general all-around corporate silliness
and became Rockwell International. Rockwell International
did everything in there powers (and they were powerful) to
make the machine line fail.
In 1984 Rockwell International sold the machine line to
Penthair and they, Penthair, changed the name to Delta
Woodworking Machinery.
Penthair has maintained Delta, limped it along (lost Bob
Kummer to Jet, who then set about to eat Delta's lunch) and
generally, by some people's account, Penthair AMF'd Delta up
till today.
So, technically, Penthair is only the third owner of Delta.
UA100
[email protected] (Jim) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Yahoo Finance has the latest Pentair
> SEC filing
> http://biz.yahoo.com/e/040510/pnr10-q.html
>
>
> This is a quote from that filing:
>
> On March 16, 2004 we finalized an $850 million committed line of
> credit (the "Bridge Facility"). The Bridge Facility is available for a
> period up to the earlier of (i) September 1, 2004, (ii) the closing of
> the WICOR acquisition without the use of the Bridge Facility or (iii)
> the sale of the Pentair Tools Group.
Here is another quote from that filing (emphasis added)
"The term loan to be made under the Bridge Facility (the "Loan") is
for the purpose of payment of the purchase price and related fees and
expenses upon closing of the WICOR acquisition. The closing of the
Loan must occur before September 1, 2004. Any balance due under the
Loan is repayable in full, with accrued interest, no later than
December 31, 2004. We will need to fund the repayment of the Bridge
Facility BY DECEMBER 31,2004 through a DISPOSITION OF OUR TOOLS GROUP
or through a debt or equity issuance."
On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:32:43 -0500, "The Davenports"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Oh...bikes with engines...NOT powered by me. I live a block from a beer
>store...when I'm out of beer, I drive.
My passion are the silent, human powered versions. I RIDE to the
packy for beer, usually to be asked if I'm riding due to a DUI. <G>
<http://www.bburke.com/mt_biking/images/Barry1_gc.jpg>
Barry
Barry;
Ah another WWer and cyclist. I have yet to figure out how to peddle power my TS and safely hold the piece at the same
time. A little more research is needed.......
JAW
B a r r y wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:32:43 -0500, "The Davenports"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Oh...bikes with engines...NOT powered by me. I live a block from a beer
>>store...when I'm out of beer, I drive.
>
>
> My passion are the silent, human powered versions. I RIDE to the
> packy for beer, usually to be asked if I'm riding due to a DUI. <G>
>
> <http://www.bburke.com/mt_biking/images/Barry1_gc.jpg>
>
> Barry
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Start buying stock in whatever corp owns Jet now. :-( Mark L.
David F. Eisan wrote:
> Evening all,
>
> All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess who
> Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
> you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
> Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
> Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the drain....
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
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>
>
"David F. Eisan" writes:
> All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess
who
> Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
> you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
<snip>
Holy F**K, another one bites the dust! ! !
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures
"Andrew Barss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> Did Ryobi buy them, or did the parent company that owns Ryobi buy it?
> I think they also own one of the higher-end European tool companies.
>
Too complicated for me. I'm going to take Ralph's advice. From now on, it
is Craftsman all the way!
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
> The pond is quiet, the air still. The angler slowly draws his arm back
> and casts. The lure hits the water with a satisfying splash as the angler
> waits for his prey ...
I don't think so, at least not this time.
That rumor's been flying around for a while, and considering David works for
a Delta dealer, he'd be one of the first to spread the word.
Jon E
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Evening all,
>
> All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess
who
> Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
> you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
> Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
> Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the
drain....
Well, it's a darn good thing all I need is a planer, and I already have my
sights set on a Woodmaster 718, so Delta/Ryobi can KMA. Time to step up the
search for the vintage stuff.
Anybody wanna buy a Delta 31-250 drum sander? Ping me via email.
Jon E
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Andrew Barss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Just remember, Black and Decker owns DeWalt and Elu.
> > And Skil owns Bosch.
>
> IIRC, Skil and Bosch are owned by another company and neither owns the
> other.
According to the Skil web site "Skil Power Tools are products of the Robert
Bosch Tool Corporation".
todd
David F. Eisan <[email protected]> wrote:
: Evening all,
: All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess who
: Pentair sold Delta too?".
: To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
: you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
: Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
Did Ryobi buy them, or did the parent company that owns Ryobi buy it?
I think they also own one of the higher-end European tool companies.
Just remember, Black and Decker owns DeWalt and Elu.
And Skil owns Bosch.
-- Andy Barss
Andrew Barss wrote:
> David F. Eisan <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Evening all,
>
> : All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess
> : who Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> : To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with,
> : "Ah, you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
> : Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
>
> Did Ryobi buy them, or did the parent company that owns Ryobi buy it?
> I think they also own one of the higher-end European tool companies.
>
>
> Just remember, Black and Decker owns DeWalt and Elu.
> And Skil owns Bosch.
What ever gave you _that_ idea? Emerson's sales in a good year are a third
those of Bosch, and Skil was a small division of Emerson. The 1998 Emerson
annual report states clearly that Emerson's interest in Skil was sold to
Bosch.
> -- Andy Barss
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Unisaw A100 wrote:
> Lowell Holmes wrote:
>>Delta used to be Rockwell, now it's Delta.
>
>
> Actually (listens for the sighing/wailing/gnashing of teeth
> sound from anyone who has sat through one of these "beget"
> sessions), it goes like this.
>
> Herbert Tautz started Delta Specialty at the end of the
> 20's. He changed the name to Delta Manufacturing Company in
> the 30's.
>
> In 1939 Tautz sold Delta to Timken Detroit Axle/Pittsburgh
> Equitable Meter (the beginning of the end).
>
> Timken Detroit Axle/Pittsburgh Equitable Meter morphed
> itself into a name change, Rockwell Manufacturing.
>
> Rockwell Manufacturing changed the name to Delta Milwaukee
> in the early 40's.
>
> After 1952 Rockwell manufacturing changed the name to Delta
> Rockwell onna 'count of there was no Milwaukee anymore (a
> continuation of the beginning of the end).
>
> In 1974 Rockwell Manufacturing morphed itself into a name
> change/restructuring/general all-around corporate silliness
> and became Rockwell International. Rockwell International
> did everything in there powers (and they were powerful) to
> make the machine line fail.
FWIW, they pretty much accomplished the same favor for North American
Aviation, of P-51 Mustang and F-86 Sabre fame. Although they did manage to
produce a few space shuttles in the process, whose service record has been
far from dazzling. They seem to belong to the school of management that
believes that the best use for a cash cow is to be served for lunch.
> In 1984 Rockwell International sold the machine line to
> Penthair and they, Penthair, changed the name to Delta
> Woodworking Machinery.
>
> Penthair has maintained Delta, limped it along (lost Bob
> Kummer to Jet, who then set about to eat Delta's lunch) and
> generally, by some people's account, Penthair AMF'd Delta up
> till today.
>
> So, technically, Penthair is only the third owner of Delta.
>
> UA100
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Tue, 18 May 2004 04:00:01 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Mon, 17 May 2004 22:32:38 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Evening all,
>>
>>All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess who
>>Pentair sold Delta too?".
>>
>>To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
>>you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>>
>>Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>>
>>Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the drain....
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>David.
>
> The pond is quiet, the air still. The angler slowly draws his arm back
>and casts. The lure hits the water with a satisfying splash as the angler
>waits for his prey ...
zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...<snap> Biggun!
Iwouldn't doubt the veracity of the post, though, and it's all due to
that BFU gray paint they use. Honest.
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:41:07 -0500, "Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm sure someone would put white or green tools in his shop.
Keep in mind when you say "green tools" that only about 20
manufacturers use green paint.
Barry
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
>
Watch out for Eisan, guys, he thinks it's April Fool's 24/7. . . . ;~)
Kim
David.
OK, I admit it. I checked the date before I responded but even if I turn the
calendar upside down it's still not April 1st...
Ryobi huh? Wow....
Rob
I bought a lightly used 3000 psi 4 gpm 11 HP pressure washer the other day.
My neighbours gathered round to watch me blast the moss off the
gutters....they left shaking their (moss covered) heads. Wonder what would
happen should you and I ever end up on the same street <g>!
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"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Evening all,
>
> All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess
who
> Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
> you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
> Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
> Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the
drain....
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
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>
>
Rob Stokes responds:
>
>David.
>
>OK, I admit it. I checked the date before I responded but even if I turn the
>calendar upside down it's still not April 1st...
>
>Ryobi huh? Wow....
The buzz in da bidness has been that Ryobi's parent company was looking to buy
the Delta/PC business that Pentair wanted to peel off, because, evidently, it
has not been meeting their business growth expectations. Profit growth, that
is.
I've been favorably impressed with some of the tools Ryobi is making for
Ridgid/Home Depot, so there's a strong possibility this union, if David's
report is correct, will benefit the consumer---maybe they'll return to the days
of yore and ship the Unisaw with a heavy steel strap on the motor to eliminate
trunnion breakage!
Charlie Self
"Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen." Ambrose Bierce, The
Devil's Dictionary
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>>> I've been favorably impressed with some of the tools Ryobi is making
for Ridgid/Home Depot,<<<<
I was quite impressed with the Craftsman 315.228390 table saw (made by
Ryobi) complete with cast iron router table extension and dolly's,
particularly considering the price. I purchased the thing "tongue in cheek"
thinking that if I don't like it I'll hold them to their "satisfaction
guaranteed" warranty and give it back. I still have not made any saw dust
with it yet but will say that after assembling it and comparing it with
other saws costing as much as 400.00 more than the 365.00 (I got a retiree
discount) that I paid that it was a real bargain. The only thing that really
disappointed me was the plastic hand wheels which I replaced with cast
aluminum for less than 20.00 and the fact that the extension table was
drilled only for Craftsman and Ryobi routers. I'll probably have it drilled
for my 1601 also.
I also have a Ryobi AP10 planer that's still going strong after aprox 20
years and a 12v Ryobi drill that's probably 12 years old in which one
battery has given up the ship. I purchased a 18v Roybi drill (don't like the
features as well as the old 12v) about a year ago so won't brag on it yet.
RM~
PS, All Craftsman tools beginning with 315. are made by Ryobi.
PS to the PS, I'm going to get a link belt for it also.
"Rob Mills" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Gfoqc.53705$Z%5.30074@okepread01...
>
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>> I've been favorably impressed with some of the tools Ryobi is making
> for Ridgid/Home Depot,<<<<
>
> I also have a Ryobi AP10 planer that's still going strong after aprox 20
> years and a 12v Ryobi drill that's probably 12 years old in which one
> battery has given up the ship.
I guess we won't know until the deal is done and everything is digested.
Ryobi makes tools to meet a price point. They have good engineering into
them, but they are made to sell for a point that does not allow for the best
materials. I just took a drill apart to replace a switch that died after 16
months. While I think it could have lasted longer, I was impressed with the
total design of the tool.
The Ryobi execs may decide to keep the Delta name and make the best possible
quality. Or not. We can only hope they want to keep Delta as a premium line
rather than just whore the name. IMO, they'd be better off getting rid of
the low end stuff that Delta already has and put the Ryobi products in its
place.
Ed
"Rob Mills" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Gfoqc.53705$Z%5.30074@okepread01...
>
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I also have a Ryobi AP10 planer that's still going strong after aprox 20
> years and a 12v Ryobi drill that's probably 12 years old in which one
> battery has given up the ship. I purchased a 18v Roybi drill (don't like
the
> features as well as the old 12v) about a year ago so won't brag on it yet.
> RM~
>
It too have had one of the first AP-10 Planers but have only had it since
1988. It is a good machine but that was then and now is now. Ryobi does
not build em like they usta. IMHO the quality has dropped significantly.
"Andrew Barss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Just remember, Black and Decker owns DeWalt and Elu.
> And Skil owns Bosch.
IIRC, Skil and Bosch are owned by another company and neither owns the
other.
Nothin I could see about that on Pentair Yahoo business section or Pentair
website. Their tool segement (Delta,Porter Cable, Biesmeyer etc) accounts
for 40% of thier sales, stock has been doin good and 2:1 split just
announced
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Evening all,
>
> All I heard from various people in the ww'ing business today was, "Guess
who
> Pentair sold Delta too?".
>
> To the first person, I jokingly replied, "Ryobi", who responded with, "Ah,
> you heard". Holy crap, no I didn't hear, are you serious?
>
> Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
> Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the
drain....
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
> Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> However, I would expect that to be big corporate news, haven't found
> anything on either www.pentair.com nor on www.deltawoodworking.com unless
> David is privy to information from an insider (who would most likely lose
> body parts then be fired for disclosing such information), I would expect
> to see this kind of news announced on both websites. Nothing on
> http://www.ryobitools.com/ either
I havn't heard any specific news either, but I do own a (very) little
Pentair stock so I follow the company's corporate news. Pentair buys
and sells companies and gets in and out of businesses on a regular
basis. The direction d'jour seems to be towards building their water
handling businesses (pumps, waste water handling, pool equipment, etc)
and getting away from their tool businesses (of which Delta is only one
of several). Seeing Pentair sell off Delta would not surprise me at all.
On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:48:49 GMT, JAW <[email protected]> wrote:
>Barry;
>Ah another WWer and cyclist. I have yet to figure out how to peddle power my TS and safely hold the piece at the same
>time. A little more research is needed.......
That could be cool. A pedal powered router table is doable.
Barry
"WoodChuck34" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>> I'm not saying this isn't true, but there is no mention of a sale on
Pentair's, Ryobi's, or MSNBC's Business websites.<<<<.
There was an article in the biz section of the Tulsa World several weeks ago
saying that Ryobi was attempting to purchase Delta. I don't recall if
Pentair was mentioned or not. RM~
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Sigh... Another tool company bites the dust.
>
> Buy your Delta tools now, before they get totally flushed down the
drain....
May be not a bad thing... Skil and Bosch are affiliated.