I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it is
awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
enough) to the fence. The attachment (model 17-924) says on the box that it
is a "New Improved Design". I had to raise the depth stop on my drill press
up on the shaft in order to accept the collar for the attachment. I lose
about a 3/4" in quill travel, but I can always lower the depth stop back
down after removing the mortise attachment.
It came with 4 mortising chisels (1/4", 5/16", 3/8" and 1/2"). The
attachment goes onto the drill press without using ANY wrenches or tool of
any kind. Quick and easy. The only thing that was somewhat of a pain to
put on was the fence, but I plan on leaving this on when using the drill
(unless it gets in the way).
I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem as
some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
**** (four stars)
<Greg G.> wrote in message
> stoutman said:
>
> >I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
> >delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it
is
> >awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
>
> I have one, but even *I* wouldn't call it awesome. Try that 1/2"
> chisel in some hard maple. You'll break the levers off the press
> pulling on it. <g> I use it mostly on pine, poplar and other soft
> woods. My biggest complaint is the setup time. Switching between
> drill press mode and morticer is time consuming. I use both tools
> concurrently, and everything has a price - in this case, convenience.
I had one, but I passed that critter on as quick as I could and went to a
REAL mortiser! ;>)
... well, one a little beefier than a DP, anyhow.
Happy New Year ... & happy mortising.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/29/03
i have a stand-alone bench-top Delta mortiser. i was just using it
this week to cut some 1/4" mortises in walnut. it worked like cutting
butter. previously i had used it to cut some 1/2" wide mortises in
oak for a cabinet i built. it was a BIG PAIN IN THE ARSE! i came to
the conclusion that anything short of a 1000+ lb. mortising machine is
not very practical unless you are only making a few small mortises. i
am sure your drill press attachment will work fine for smaller
projects and an occasional large one, but if you plan on making 1/2"
mortises with any regularity, you will not be happy. when i need to
make large mortises anymore, i just grab the chisels.
don't take this as a negative reply, as the drill press attachment
works just as it was designed. it is not meant for high volume or
regular use.
andy b.
On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:39:48 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>Most of the stock I use is 3/4" which lets me get a way with using 1/4"
>tenons for most projects.
>I will be making 1/4" mortises most of the time. Like I posted earlier, in
>red oak the 1/4" 'er went in and out of the red oak like bud da. :)
>I would rather use this attachment than the router table which I have been
>using thus far.
>I found the tool easy to take on and off (with the exception of the fence).
>My attitude toward this purchase could change when I try to mortise through
>a harder wood, but cant you just take smaller nibbles?? I'm guessing that
>if you are experiencing a lot of resistance with a bigger chisel or harder
>wood that you could just use only a portion of the chisel with each plunge.
>Granted, this will take longer. I don't know though, I have not tried that,
>nor have I tried it on anything but red oak.
>
>I wouldn't go as far as to call it worthless.
>
>:)
>
>
Why not just take the review at face value? If you find it useful, good.
If you don't find it useful, move on.
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:Lz8Jb.96876$VB2.222213@attbi_s51...
> > Umm, 2 or 3 mortises.
> > What's the required number of uses before posting a review so I know
next
> > time?
>
> It would at least be nice to know that a review is based on the use of all
> the capabilities of the device under test. In this case all the chisels.
>
> Brian.
>
>
I've got one and think it's next to worthless. Try doing large, deep
mortises in maple and get back to us. :)
dave
stoutman wrote:
> I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
> delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it is
> awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
> enough) to the fence. The attachment (model 17-924) says on the box that it
> is a "New Improved Design". I had to raise the depth stop on my drill press
> up on the shaft in order to accept the collar for the attachment. I lose
> about a 3/4" in quill travel, but I can always lower the depth stop back
> down after removing the mortise attachment.
> It came with 4 mortising chisels (1/4", 5/16", 3/8" and 1/2"). The
> attachment goes onto the drill press without using ANY wrenches or tool of
> any kind. Quick and easy. The only thing that was somewhat of a pain to
> put on was the fence, but I plan on leaving this on when using the drill
> (unless it gets in the way).
>
> I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
> melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem as
> some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
> chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
> the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
>
> **** (four stars)
>
>
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:<WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53>...
> I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
> delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it is
> awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
> enough) to the fence. The attachment (model 17-924) says on the box that it
> is a "New Improved Design". I had to raise the depth stop on my drill press
> up on the shaft in order to accept the collar for the attachment. I lose
> about a 3/4" in quill travel, but I can always lower the depth stop back
> down after removing the mortise attachment.
I'm not sure what version I have, but it only came with 3/8" chisel.
I think for the price, and depending on how many mortices you're
making, I could possibly rate it 3 stars. In harder woods, I found
that I had to consciously look at the depth stop, because I was
bearing down so hard on the press that I pushed it right through the
stop I set up, thus going down too far. Maybe a mark on the chisel
would have helped.
I haven't done anything with really hard woods, however. And I could
definitely see how it could be difficult with the effort I had to
exert on Mahogany.
Anything that requires a nice clean through mortice, however, will
still be made with the router.
Thats what I was planning to do on through tennons. But let me ask you
this,
would putting a piece of wood under the work (and cutting partway into that)
do the same thing? Or would that not be quite as effective ?
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"Jim Stuyck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:UwfJb.716205$HS4.5129667@attbi_s01...
>
> "Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:c9YIb.23376$I07.56156@attbi_s53...
> > In article <WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53>, stoutman <.@.> wrote:
> > >
> > >I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through
like
> > >melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a
problem
> as
> > >some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets
the
> > >chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty,
because
> > >the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
> > >
> >
> > It ain't about how it looks, it's about how it fits. I'm not sure what
> > "square enough" is in your book, but if it's not pretty close the walls
> > of the mortise won't be flat. Carpenters glue is not gap filling.
>
> I've done "considerable" mortising of white oak and the Delta
> attachment works fine. I even did some thru holes (1/2") for
> thru tenons and they ARE rectangles with smooth sides. The
> white oak stock was nearly 2" thick. I did the first 1 1/2" or
> so from the "blind" side, then turned the lumber over and did
> the final 1/2" from the visible side so that there would be no
> tearout on either side.
>
> The tool ain't perfect, but for the price... ;-)
>
> Jim Stuyck
>
>
stoutman said:
>I like how it worked with the 1/4" chisel in red oak, but like you said I
>may be in for a surprise when I put in a 1/2" chisel and try to plunge
>through some maple.
It gets considerably tougher! Keeping the chisels really sharp and
tuned helps a lot.
>Mine has the diagonal slots also, HUGE pain in the arse! I'm not sure why
>they use diagonal slots. I think the Delta engineers were puffing on
>something silly when they designed the diagonal slots.
Metal working DPs usually have diagonal slots, a coolant trough and
drain around the tray. The larger Delta woodworking presses have
parallel slots, however.
>I guess (hope) it will work for my needs for now until I can afford a
>dedicated mortiser.
That's why I have it as well. But I'm presently leaning towards
routed mortices and floating tenons.
>Oh and Happy New Year. (yeah, thats right I'm not out partying, I'm a nerd)
Happy New Year to you and everyone.
I'm not out either. SWMBO is at her folks in California, and I'm
stuck here at home in the shop. :-)
Greg G.
:) You must have had a special species of ultra hard red oak then!
dave
stoutman wrote:
> I'm making a maple side table
>
> 1/4" chisel was just as easy in maple as it was in red oak.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53...
>
>>I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
>>delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it is
>>awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
>>enough) to the fence. The attachment (model 17-924) says on the box that
>
> it
>
>>is a "New Improved Design". I had to raise the depth stop on my drill
>
> press
>
>>up on the shaft in order to accept the collar for the attachment. I lose
>>about a 3/4" in quill travel, but I can always lower the depth stop back
>>down after removing the mortise attachment.
>>It came with 4 mortising chisels (1/4", 5/16", 3/8" and 1/2"). The
>>attachment goes onto the drill press without using ANY wrenches or tool of
>>any kind. Quick and easy. The only thing that was somewhat of a pain to
>>put on was the fence, but I plan on leaving this on when using the drill
>>(unless it gets in the way).
>>
>>I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
>>melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
>
> as
>
>>some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
>>chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
>>the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
>>
>>**** (four stars)
>>
>>
>
>
>
Most of the stock I use is 3/4" which lets me get a way with using 1/4"
tenons for most projects.
I will be making 1/4" mortises most of the time. Like I posted earlier, in
red oak the 1/4" 'er went in and out of the red oak like bud da. :)
I would rather use this attachment than the router table which I have been
using thus far.
I found the tool easy to take on and off (with the exception of the fence).
My attitude toward this purchase could change when I try to mortise through
a harder wood, but cant you just take smaller nibbles?? I'm guessing that
if you are experiencing a lot of resistance with a bigger chisel or harder
wood that you could just use only a portion of the chisel with each plunge.
Granted, this will take longer. I don't know though, I have not tried that,
nor have I tried it on anything but red oak.
I wouldn't go as far as to call it worthless.
:)
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've got one and think it's next to worthless. Try doing large, deep
> mortises in maple and get back to us. :)
>
> dave
>
> stoutman wrote:
>
> > I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my
new
> > delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it
is
> > awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
> > enough) to the fence. The attachment (model 17-924) says on the box
that it
> > is a "New Improved Design". I had to raise the depth stop on my drill
press
> > up on the shaft in order to accept the collar for the attachment. I
lose
> > about a 3/4" in quill travel, but I can always lower the depth stop back
> > down after removing the mortise attachment.
> > It came with 4 mortising chisels (1/4", 5/16", 3/8" and 1/2"). The
> > attachment goes onto the drill press without using ANY wrenches or tool
of
> > any kind. Quick and easy. The only thing that was somewhat of a pain
to
> > put on was the fence, but I plan on leaving this on when using the drill
> > (unless it gets in the way).
> >
> > I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
> > melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
as
> > some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets
the
> > chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty,
because
> > the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
> >
> > **** (four stars)
> >
> >
>
You know, I was just thinking about this in relation to my brand spanking
new
mortiser. How to square the chisels... The important thing is the relation
of the
fence to the chisel, so how about this...
Two ways to set the chisel up, if you don't trust your eyes to do it close
enough.
Remember most mortises after several holes in a row will line up fine, even
if
each one is on a slight diagonal, the overall effect is a straight mortise
with each
hole a degree or two off. The wood probably won't notice...
Here's a couple ideas to set it up with more certainty. I'm going to do #1
because its easier....
#1) Make an T-shaped chunk of hardwood (or butt join two pieces to form a
"T"). Also, form a bottom (a 3rd side) on the L so its like a corner piece.
This
bottom will give you something to rest the chisel on if you have a center
hole like
I do, and support the chisel at the right height when you're tightening the
set screw.
Slide the jig over to the bit, referencing the top of the "T" on the fence.
Now slide
the fence up and the jig over until the chisel is in the corner
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"Jim Stuyck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:UwfJb.716205$HS4.5129667@attbi_s01...
>
> "Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:c9YIb.23376$I07.56156@attbi_s53...
> > In article <WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53>, stoutman <.@.> wrote:
> > >
> > >I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through
like
> > >melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a
problem
> as
> > >some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets
the
> > >chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty,
because
> > >the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
> > >
> >
> > It ain't about how it looks, it's about how it fits. I'm not sure what
> > "square enough" is in your book, but if it's not pretty close the walls
> > of the mortise won't be flat. Carpenters glue is not gap filling.
>
> I've done "considerable" mortising of white oak and the Delta
> attachment works fine. I even did some thru holes (1/2") for
> thru tenons and they ARE rectangles with smooth sides. The
> white oak stock was nearly 2" thick. I did the first 1 1/2" or
> so from the "blind" side, then turned the lumber over and did
> the final 1/2" from the visible side so that there would be no
> tearout on either side.
>
> The tool ain't perfect, but for the price... ;-)
>
> Jim Stuyck
>
>
I'm making a maple side table
1/4" chisel was just as easy in maple as it was in red oak.
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53...
> I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
> delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it is
> awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
> enough) to the fence. The attachment (model 17-924) says on the box that
it
> is a "New Improved Design". I had to raise the depth stop on my drill
press
> up on the shaft in order to accept the collar for the attachment. I lose
> about a 3/4" in quill travel, but I can always lower the depth stop back
> down after removing the mortise attachment.
> It came with 4 mortising chisels (1/4", 5/16", 3/8" and 1/2"). The
> attachment goes onto the drill press without using ANY wrenches or tool of
> any kind. Quick and easy. The only thing that was somewhat of a pain to
> put on was the fence, but I plan on leaving this on when using the drill
> (unless it gets in the way).
>
> I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
> melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
as
> some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
> chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
> the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
>
> **** (four stars)
>
>
Umm, 2 or 3 mortises.
What's the required number of uses before posting a review so I know next
time?
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> > I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
> > melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
> as
> > some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets
the
> > chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty,
because
> > the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
> >
> > **** (four stars)
>
>
> So is your review of four stars based on a single mortise using the
smallest
> chisel?
>
> Brian.
>
>
stoutman wrote:
> This will be my last review of any kind.
Aw, nuts to them. I found your writeup useful. I don't have budget or room
for a dedicated machine but if I had a bunch of 1/4" mortises to make I
would consider the DP attachment.
I recall lots of published reviews where the author states s/he has used
only a subset of the features. This is especially true of reviews of
computer programming tools. A comprehensive review of Microsoft's Visual
Stuido.NET would be hundreds of pages long.
-- Mark
Can we review here? Why did you say that the chisels larger than
1/4" were nearly "useless". Do they not function as well, or do you
consider tennons larger than 1/4" overkill?
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > I found your initial response to be sarcastic, however I could be
> mistaken.
>
> It was not.
>
> > The
> > purpose of the review was to give those 'sitting on the fence' about the
> > tool, the courage to try it.
>
> I suspect that I'm not alone when I say that I don't like to spend money
to
> "try" tools. I want to know that when I buy something it is going to be
> robust and serve my needs, else I have to go out and buy (or "try") a
> replacement. I want to know what a tool does well, and even more
> importantly what its shortcomings are.
>
> >
> > I am happy with my decision to buy the tool, like I said in a previous
> post,
> > I will be using the 1/4" chisel ,most of the time.
>
> That's fine, but many people would be (and are) very disappointed when
they
> discover that the larger chisels are nearly useless.
>
> > This will be my last review of any kind.
>
> You're taking the questions and feedback the wrong way if they are what
led
> you to that...
>
> Brian.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:Lz8Jb.96876$VB2.222213@attbi_s51...
> > > > Umm, 2 or 3 mortises.
> > > > What's the required number of uses before posting a review so I know
> > next
> > > > time?
> > >
> > > It would at least be nice to know that a review is based on the use of
> all
> > > the capabilities of the device under test. In this case all the
> chisels.
> > >
> > > Brian.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
"Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:c9YIb.23376$I07.56156@attbi_s53...
> In article <WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53>, stoutman <.@.> wrote:
> >
> >I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
> >melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
as
> >some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
> >chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
> >the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
> >
>
> It ain't about how it looks, it's about how it fits. I'm not sure what
> "square enough" is in your book, but if it's not pretty close the walls
> of the mortise won't be flat. Carpenters glue is not gap filling.
I've done "considerable" mortising of white oak and the Delta
attachment works fine. I even did some thru holes (1/2") for
thru tenons and they ARE rectangles with smooth sides. The
white oak stock was nearly 2" thick. I did the first 1 1/2" or
so from the "blind" side, then turned the lumber over and did
the final 1/2" from the visible side so that there would be no
tearout on either side.
The tool ain't perfect, but for the price... ;-)
Jim Stuyck
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I wouldn't call it useless IF you are doing 1/4" tenons in oak, either.
>
Damn, the idiots back. You've never used the thing to cut 1/2"
mortises in maple, so just shut the fuck up!
In article <WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53>, stoutman <.@.> wrote:
>
>I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
>melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem as
>some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
>chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
>the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
>
It ain't about how it looks, it's about how it fits. I'm not sure what
"square enough" is in your book, but if it's not pretty close the walls
of the mortise won't be flat. Carpenters glue is not gap filling.
--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
Oh, sorry. I just bought a mortiser and throught you were attacking
mortise chisels larger than 1/4". Then I realized your insults were
directed at chisels used on a drill press. Carry on !
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"David Binkowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RHKKb.21698$P%[email protected]...
> Can we review here? Why did you say that the chisels larger than
> 1/4" were nearly "useless". Do they not function as well, or do you
> consider tennons larger than 1/4" overkill?
>
> --
> The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
> So I installed it on Linux...
> "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > I found your initial response to be sarcastic, however I could be
> > mistaken.
> >
> > It was not.
> >
> > > The
> > > purpose of the review was to give those 'sitting on the fence' about
the
> > > tool, the courage to try it.
> >
> > I suspect that I'm not alone when I say that I don't like to spend money
> to
> > "try" tools. I want to know that when I buy something it is going to be
> > robust and serve my needs, else I have to go out and buy (or "try") a
> > replacement. I want to know what a tool does well, and even more
> > importantly what its shortcomings are.
> >
> > >
> > > I am happy with my decision to buy the tool, like I said in a previous
> > post,
> > > I will be using the 1/4" chisel ,most of the time.
> >
> > That's fine, but many people would be (and are) very disappointed when
> they
> > discover that the larger chisels are nearly useless.
> >
> > > This will be my last review of any kind.
> >
> > You're taking the questions and feedback the wrong way if they are what
> led
> > you to that...
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
> > news:Lz8Jb.96876$VB2.222213@attbi_s51...
> > > > > Umm, 2 or 3 mortises.
> > > > > What's the required number of uses before posting a review so I
know
> > > next
> > > > > time?
> > > >
> > > > It would at least be nice to know that a review is based on the use
of
> > all
> > > > the capabilities of the device under test. In this case all the
> > chisels.
> > > >
> > > > Brian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Let me just ad that I have seen very FEW reviews were the reviewer took the
tool in question through "all the capabilities of the device under test"
I found your initial response to be sarcastic, however I could be mistaken.
I used the tool with the 1/4" chisel and it exceeded my expectations based
on what I have read in this ng. I was excited with its performance and
posted my findings in a review. I am not a professional woodworker or
reviewer. If I had based my decision on whether to buy this tool from what
I have read in this ng, I would not own a mortise attachment right now. The
purpose of the review was to give those 'sitting on the fence' about the
tool, the courage to try it.
I am happy with my decision to buy the tool, like I said in a previous post,
I will be using the 1/4" chisel ,most of the time.
This will be my last review of any kind.
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:Lz8Jb.96876$VB2.222213@attbi_s51...
> > Umm, 2 or 3 mortises.
> > What's the required number of uses before posting a review so I know
next
> > time?
>
> It would at least be nice to know that a review is based on the use of all
> the capabilities of the device under test. In this case all the chisels.
>
> Brian.
>
>
Swingman said:
><Greg G.> wrote in message
>> I have one, but even *I* wouldn't call it awesome. Try that 1/2"
>> chisel in some hard maple. You'll break the levers off the press
>> pulling on it. <g> I use it mostly on pine, poplar and other soft
>> woods. My biggest complaint is the setup time. Switching between
>> drill press mode and morticer is time consuming. I use both tools
>> concurrently, and everything has a price - in this case, convenience.
>
>I had one, but I passed that critter on as quick as I could and went to a
>REAL mortiser! ;>)
And thanks again! <smart a$#>
>... well, one a little beefier than a DP, anyhow.
For what I have in it, it works fine.
>Happy New Year ... & happy mortising.
Same to You!
Greg G.
stoutman said:
>Do you have the old model or the new one?
>
>I'm curious if the older model required tools to attach the mortiser.
No tools needed, other than possibly one to loosen the drill press
quill stop clamp when first setting it up. I don't have the model
number handy, but it's about a year old. All thumbscrew assembly.
My drill press has diagonal hold-down slots instead of parallel slots,
so the fence is a bit of a PITA to setup. Also, drill presses are not
designed to exert the pressure needed to cut into hard wood.
But it does work, even though it does require some manual clean-up
with a chisel, and is certainly cheaper that a $275 dedicated
mortiser.
Greg G.
I wouldn't call it useless IF you are doing 1/4" tenons in oak, either.
However, since a tool should (IMHO) work under a variety of conditions,
having a limitation as to the wood species that it will work with makes
it worthy of the "NEXT to worthless" appellation I ascribed to it. If
my TS couldn't cut maple well, I'd be calling it "next to worthless"
also! :)
dave
stoutman wrote:
> Most of the stock I use is 3/4" which lets me get a way with using 1/4"
> tenons for most projects.
> I will be making 1/4" mortises most of the time. Like I posted earlier, in
> red oak the 1/4" 'er went in and out of the red oak like bud da. :)
> I would rather use this attachment than the router table which I have been
> using thus far.
> I found the tool easy to take on and off (with the exception of the fence).
> My attitude toward this purchase could change when I try to mortise through
> a harder wood, but cant you just take smaller nibbles?? I'm guessing that
> if you are experiencing a lot of resistance with a bigger chisel or harder
> wood that you could just use only a portion of the chisel with each plunge.
> Granted, this will take longer. I don't know though, I have not tried that,
> nor have I tried it on anything but red oak.
>
> I wouldn't go as far as to call it worthless.
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I've got one and think it's next to worthless. Try doing large, deep
>>mortises in maple and get back to us. :)
>>
>>dave
>>
>>stoutman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my
>
> new
>
>>>delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it
>
> is
>
>>>awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
>>>enough) to the fence. The attachment (model 17-924) says on the box
>
> that it
>
>>>is a "New Improved Design". I had to raise the depth stop on my drill
>
> press
>
>>>up on the shaft in order to accept the collar for the attachment. I
>
> lose
>
>>>about a 3/4" in quill travel, but I can always lower the depth stop back
>>>down after removing the mortise attachment.
>>>It came with 4 mortising chisels (1/4", 5/16", 3/8" and 1/2"). The
>>>attachment goes onto the drill press without using ANY wrenches or tool
>
> of
>
>>>any kind. Quick and easy. The only thing that was somewhat of a pain
>
> to
>
>>>put on was the fence, but I plan on leaving this on when using the drill
>>>(unless it gets in the way).
>>>
>>>I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
>>>melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
>
> as
>
>>>some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets
>
> the
>
>>>chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty,
>
> because
>
>>>the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
>>>
>>>**** (four stars)
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
stoutman said:
>I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
>delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it is
>awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
I have one, but even *I* wouldn't call it awesome. Try that 1/2"
chisel in some hard maple. You'll break the levers off the press
pulling on it. <g> I use it mostly on pine, poplar and other soft
woods. My biggest complaint is the setup time. Switching between
drill press mode and morticer is time consuming. I use both tools
concurrently, and everything has a price - in this case, convenience.
JMHO,
Greg G.
"square enough" in my book is "pretty close". :)
"Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:c9YIb.23376$I07.56156@attbi_s53...
> In article <WZMIb.19171$I07.53281@attbi_s53>, stoutman <.@.> wrote:
> >
> >I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
> >melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
as
> >some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
> >chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
> >the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
> >
>
> It ain't about how it looks, it's about how it fits. I'm not sure what
> "square enough" is in your book, but if it's not pretty close the walls
> of the mortise won't be flat. Carpenters glue is not gap filling.
>
> --
> Scott Post [email protected]
http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
I like how it worked with the 1/4" chisel in red oak, but like you said I
may be in for a surprise when I put in a 1/2" chisel and try to plunge
through some maple.
(snip)> My drill press has diagonal hold-down slots instead of parallel
slots,
> so the fence is a bit of a PITA to setup.
Mine has the diagonal slots also, HUGE pain in the arse! I'm not sure why
they use diagonal slots. I think the Delta engineers were puffing on
something silly when they designed the diagonal slots.
I guess (hope) it will work for my needs for now until I can afford a
dedicated mortiser.
Oh and Happy New Year. (yeah, thats right I'm not out partying, I'm a nerd)
<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> stoutman said:
>
> >Do you have the old model or the new one?
> >
> >I'm curious if the older model required tools to attach the mortiser.
>
> No tools needed, other than possibly one to loosen the drill press
> quill stop clamp when first setting it up. I don't have the model
> number handy, but it's about a year old. All thumbscrew assembly.
>
> My drill press has diagonal hold-down slots instead of parallel slots,
> so the fence is a bit of a PITA to setup. Also, drill presses are not
> designed to exert the pressure needed to cut into hard wood.
>
> But it does work, even though it does require some manual clean-up
> with a chisel, and is certainly cheaper that a $275 dedicated
> mortiser.
>
>
> Greg G.
> I tried the 1/4" chisel to mortise some red oak and it went through like
> melted butter. Squaring the chisel to the fence, which can be a problem
as
> some posters have stated, but I think I have found a method that gets the
> chisel "square enough" After all it doesn't have to look pretty, because
> the mortise his hidden behind a tenon.
>
> **** (four stars)
So is your review of four stars based on a single mortise using the smallest
chisel?
Brian.
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:Lz8Jb.96876$VB2.222213@attbi_s51...
> Umm, 2 or 3 mortises.
> What's the required number of uses before posting a review so I know next
> time?
It would at least be nice to know that a review is based on the use of all
the capabilities of the device under test. In this case all the chisels.
Brian.
> I found your initial response to be sarcastic, however I could be
mistaken.
It was not.
> The
> purpose of the review was to give those 'sitting on the fence' about the
> tool, the courage to try it.
I suspect that I'm not alone when I say that I don't like to spend money to
"try" tools. I want to know that when I buy something it is going to be
robust and serve my needs, else I have to go out and buy (or "try") a
replacement. I want to know what a tool does well, and even more
importantly what its shortcomings are.
>
> I am happy with my decision to buy the tool, like I said in a previous
post,
> I will be using the 1/4" chisel ,most of the time.
That's fine, but many people would be (and are) very disappointed when they
discover that the larger chisels are nearly useless.
> This will be my last review of any kind.
You're taking the questions and feedback the wrong way if they are what led
you to that...
Brian.
>
>
>
> "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
news:Lz8Jb.96876$VB2.222213@attbi_s51...
> > > Umm, 2 or 3 mortises.
> > > What's the required number of uses before posting a review so I know
> next
> > > time?
> >
> > It would at least be nice to know that a review is based on the use of
all
> > the capabilities of the device under test. In this case all the
chisels.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
>
>
Do you have the old model or the new one?
I'm curious if the older model required tools to attach the mortiser.
<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> stoutman said:
>
> >I finally got around to trying out my new mortising attachment for my new
> >delta drill press. Contrary to some of the posts I read in this ng, it
is
> >awesome. It is a breeze to set up and not difficult to square (square
>
> I have one, but even *I* wouldn't call it awesome. Try that 1/2"
> chisel in some hard maple. You'll break the levers off the press
> pulling on it. <g> I use it mostly on pine, poplar and other soft
> woods. My biggest complaint is the setup time. Switching between
> drill press mode and morticer is time consuming. I use both tools
> concurrently, and everything has a price - in this case, convenience.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Greg G.