Eric Ryder wrote:
>
> A 4d nail is 1-1/4" long. 4/4 T&G is 3/4" thick with a 1/4" tongue
> (or groove) centered. The face of the tongue would be 1/2" from the
> underside of the material. Blind nails driven at a 45 degree angle
> would have to traverse .7" inches of the material before penetrating
> the framing. Your nails are holding by 1/2" (and finewire 4d's at
> that)?
Can't argue with that, but can you argue with 20 years of being in place
with no problems? No loose boards, no split tongues, etc. Sometimes it's
possible to over analyze and ignore the obvious.
--
-Mike-
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I'd be using 16 ga pneumatic driven finish nails, 6d or 8d. They are pretty
soft, and of finer wire than *manual?* finish nails IIRC.
"Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thanks - what kind of nails though? I'm assuming finish if you're
> face nailing, but just want to double check. That's a heck of a lot
> of holes to fill, but I want the ceiling to stay up!
>
> "Eric Ryder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
> > >
> > > Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
> > > into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
> > > better?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > I usually end up using one blind and one face nail on 5" (1X6 nom) red
or
> > white pine T&G strip. The blind nails won't keep bowed stock from
climbing
> > back out.
On 27 Feb 2004 14:31:15 -0800, [email protected] (Tom Bergman) wrote:
>
> The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
>
> Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
> into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
> better?
>
> Thanks
All the ceilings in my house are 6" T&G and I used #4 finish nails to put
them up (through the tongue, of course). 20 years later, they're still
there with no problems. I should think if you try to drive a 2" finishing
nail through the tongue you won't have any tongues left on your boards.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Would suspect that using some construction adhesive would not be
overkill
John
On 27 Feb 2004 14:31:15 -0800, [email protected] (Tom Bergman)
wrote:
>The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
>
>Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
>into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
>better?
>
>Thanks
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 27 Feb 2004 14:31:15 -0800, [email protected] (Tom Bergman) wrote:
> >
> > The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
> >
> > Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
> > into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
> > better?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> All the ceilings in my house are 6" T&G and I used #4 finish nails to put
> them up (through the tongue, of course). 20 years later, they're still
> there with no problems. I should think if you try to drive a 2" finishing
> nail through the tongue you won't have any tongues left on your boards.
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>
>
A 4d nail is 1-1/4" long. 4/4 T&G is 3/4" thick with a 1/4" tongue (or
groove) centered. The face of the tongue would be 1/2" from the underside
of the material. Blind nails driven at a 45 degree angle would have to
traverse .7" inches of the material before penetrating the framing. Your
nails are holding by 1/2" (and finewire 4d's at that)?
Thanks - what kind of nails though? I'm assuming finish if you're
face nailing, but just want to double check. That's a heck of a lot
of holes to fill, but I want the ceiling to stay up!
"Eric Ryder" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
> >
> > Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
> > into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
> > better?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> I usually end up using one blind and one face nail on 5" (1X6 nom) red or
> white pine T&G strip. The blind nails won't keep bowed stock from climbing
> back out.
On 27 Feb 2004 14:31:15 -0800, [email protected] (Tom Bergman)
wrote:
>The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
>
>Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
>into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
>better?
>
>Thanks
I'd use a narrow crown staple.
If you are hand nailing, a fastener similar to the SS siding nails might do
the job with just blind nailing. They have annular rings for grip and a
small, but useful head. The rings make them a bit prone to folding over, so
don't use longer nails than required.
http://www.stainless-fasteners.com/woodside.htm
"Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks - what kind of nails though? I'm assuming finish if you're
> face nailing, but just want to double check. That's a heck of a lot
> of holes to fill, but I want the ceiling to stay up!
>
> "Eric Ryder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
> > >
> > > Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
> > > into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
> > > better?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > I usually end up using one blind and one face nail on 5" (1X6 nom) red
or
> > white pine T&G strip. The blind nails won't keep bowed stock from
climbing
> > back out.
"Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The ceiling in my basement with be T&G v-groove planks (6" wide).
>
> Will using 2" finish nails (angled through the tongue like normal)
> into each joist be enough, or am I going to need to use something
> better?
>
> Thanks
I usually end up using one blind and one face nail on 5" (1X6 nom) red or
white pine T&G strip. The blind nails won't keep bowed stock from climbing
back out.
Eric Ryder wrote:
> "Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Thanks for all the comments, sounds like finish nails it is
>> (pneumatic, should have pointed that out). I will consider using
>> construction adhesive - additional thoughts on that? Continuous bead
>> or occasional dab? Does it remain flexible enough?
>
> Not worth the fuss or expense IMO. Like many here, I've been putting
> the stuff (Vmatch pine amd cedar, etc) for 20 years without it. For
> nailing softwoods, recommended fasteners have a penetration ratio of
> 2/1 (substrate/finish) material.
I'll chime in again to agree with Eric - the construction adhesive is way
overkill. Tons of these ceilings have been in place for decades with
nothing more than finishing nails to hold them up.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for all the comments, sounds like finish nails it is
> (pneumatic, should have pointed that out). I will consider using
> construction adhesive - additional thoughts on that? Continuous bead
> or occasional dab? Does it remain flexible enough?
Not worth the fuss or expense IMO. Like many here, I've been putting the
stuff (Vmatch pine amd cedar, etc) for 20 years without it. For nailing
softwoods, recommended fasteners have a penetration ratio of 2/1
(substrate/finish) material.