On 11 Jun 2004 12:33:49 -0700, Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
> difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
> DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
I've got some of each of those, and the primary difference seems
to be...color. Seriously, it's like comparing a BMW to an Audi
to a Saab to a Volvo - they're all fine vehicles, built and
engineered well, and you'll not go wrong with any of them.
The only time, in my opinion, to slavishly stick with one brand,
is if you have cordless tools all of which can share common
battery packs. DeWalt is good in this regard.
Dave Hinz
"J. Clarke" wrote:
> And don't sell Sears short, just know what you're getting. Most of their
> jigsaws are cheap crap for example, but one is a relabelled Bosch. Thing I
> like about Sears is that they keep a huge parts inventory and have decent
> online ordering for parts.
I agree the relabeled Bosch jigsaw that Sears sells is a good unit but the last
time I looked it was cheaper to purchase the Bosch jigsaw than it was to buy
the relabeled Sears.
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Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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NoOne N Particular wrote:
> Problem with Sears having a large parts inventory is it seem that you have
> to use it often. I bought their small ROS and it burned out just after the
> warranty expired. I wnet back and bought the larger one, and it came apart.
> I had to put it back together myself. The on/off switch on my drill press
> broke after about 10 uses. The trigger on my 20+ year old Craftsman router
> broke, and guess what? The trigger is the only part that is no longer
> available!
>
> On the positive side, I was able to get new rubber rollers for my 1950's
> vintage 6" belt sander.
>
> Wayne
I currently have a similar problem. About 20 years ago while remodeling my my
bathroom I installed a Sears labeled bath/shower faucet with "Lifetime
Guaranteed" cartridges instead of the standard washers. The hot water cartridge
is now bad, the company that made the faucet is belly up, Sears is out of
replacement parts and none of the local plumbing suppliers I tried can come up
with a replacement.
On the up side, after 20 years the bathroom was long overdue for an update.
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Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> So how much is Searz kicking in toward the update, Yack?
> A new faucet set, at least?
LOL.
I could probably get them to give me a new Sears faucet but since I have tear out the
wall to replace it I opted to use a REAL plumbing manufacturer's brand who have been
in business for 50 years and hopefully won't go belly up before me.
Wait - strike that last part!
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Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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Eugene <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>>
>> The only time, in my opinion, to slavishly stick with one brand,
>> is if you have cordless tools all of which can share common
>> battery packs. DeWalt is good in this regard.
>>
>> Dave Hinz
>
> The cordless makers have us caught there. You can buy all the tools
> you want need in a single brand and battery size except one and the
> missing one you want is always a different brand/battery style.
That's why I like to mix it up a bit. Maybe you get the best of both
worlds that way.
Casey
Lets not forget Bosch: jigsaws, rotary hammers and cordless drills.
Tony
Andrew Barss <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
> : difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
> : DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
>
>
> These are all fine tool makers. Each has their own niche --
> Milwaukee is the king of corded drills, Makita is well known for their
> cordless ones, Dewalt and PC for routers, etc.
>
> But you really can't go wrong with any of them.
>
>
> -- Andy Barss
On 11 Jun 2004 12:33:49 -0700, [email protected] (Smith) wrote:
>Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
>difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
>DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
I look at each tool individually.
For instance, I prefer the Bosch 1617EVS over the Porter Cable 69x and
89x routers, but I really like PC's 5" random orbit sanders. Other
people may see things the other way around.
That's why I prefer to hold each tool before I buy it. DeWalt,
Milwaulkee, Bosch, Porter Cable, Makita, etc... all make great tools.
Sometimes, I prefer one or the other after holding it in MY hand, even
though they are all decently built, comparatively functional, and
comparatively priced.
Barry
Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
: Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
: difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
: DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
These are all fine tool makers. Each has their own niche --
Milwaukee is the king of corded drills, Makita is well known for their
cordless ones, Dewalt and PC for routers, etc.
But you really can't go wrong with any of them.
-- Andy Barss
Andrew Barss wrote:
> Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
> : difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
> : DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
>
>
> These are all fine tool makers. Each has their own niche --
> Milwaukee is the king of corded drills, Makita is well known for their
> cordless ones, Dewalt and PC for routers, etc.
>
> But you really can't go wrong with any of them.
And don't sell Sears short, just know what you're getting. Most of their
jigsaws are cheap crap for example, but one is a relabelled Bosch. Thing I
like about Sears is that they keep a huge parts inventory and have decent
online ordering for parts.
> -- Andy Barss
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
NoOne N Particular wrote:
> Problem with Sears having a large parts inventory is it seem that you have
> to use it often. I bought their small ROS and it burned out just after
> the
> warranty expired. I wnet back and bought the larger one, and it came
> apart.
> I had to put it back together myself. The on/off switch on my drill press
> broke after about 10 uses. The trigger on my 20+ year old Craftsman
> router
> broke, and guess what? The trigger is the only part that is no longer
> available!
That's why you have to be careful about what you get. A relabelled Bosch or
Porter Cable or Milwaukee should last as long as the ones that aren't
relabelled.
>
> On the positive side, I was able to get new rubber rollers for my 1950's
> vintage 6" belt sander.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Andrew Barss wrote:
>>
>> > Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > : Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
>> > : difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
>> > : DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
>> >
>> >
>> > These are all fine tool makers. Each has their own niche --
>> > Milwaukee is the king of corded drills, Makita is well known for their
>> > cordless ones, Dewalt and PC for routers, etc.
>> >
>> > But you really can't go wrong with any of them.
>>
>> And don't sell Sears short, just know what you're getting. Most of their
>> jigsaws are cheap crap for example, but one is a relabelled Bosch. Thing
> I
>> like about Sears is that they keep a huge parts inventory and have decent
>> online ordering for parts.
>>
>> > -- Andy Barss
>>
>> --
>> --John
>> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:09:17 -0400, Nova <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> So how much is Searz kicking in toward the update, Yack?
>> A new faucet set, at least?
>
>LOL.
>
>I could probably get them to give me a new Sears faucet but since I have tear out the
>wall to replace it I opted to use a REAL plumbing manufacturer's brand who have been
Smart man.
>in business for 50 years and hopefully won't go belly up before me.
>
>Wait - strike that last part!
<g>
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On 11 Jun 2004 12:33:49 -0700, [email protected] (Smith) wrote:
>Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
>difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
>DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
1. Commonality of consumables - e.g. Paslode framing nailers or PC 16
ga. finish nailers. A contractor may buy a pallet of nails based on
price. The workers then use what the contractor provides.
2. Reliability and ease of repair - downtime costs money. Availability
of parts.
3. Features which increase productivity for pros and make no
difference for the DIY folks.
4. Weight vs. power - a 10 amp circular saw may be plenty for a
homeowner while a pro will use a 15 amp saw to save time even though
it might weigh a bit more.
5. Durability - a homeowner will gently store the one copy of a tool
which they own. A construction crew will drop a power tool into a box,
trailer or pickup bed as though it were a claw hammer. It will be
bounced around and may have other materials riding loose over it.
If the finish is only on the surface, the base material will soon be
revealed.
6. Some homeowner-grade tools are made so inexpensively that it is not
cost-effective to repair them. Replacement is a better choice, since
they were low cost initially.
Problem with Sears having a large parts inventory is it seem that you have
to use it often. I bought their small ROS and it burned out just after the
warranty expired. I wnet back and bought the larger one, and it came apart.
I had to put it back together myself. The on/off switch on my drill press
broke after about 10 uses. The trigger on my 20+ year old Craftsman router
broke, and guess what? The trigger is the only part that is no longer
available!
On the positive side, I was able to get new rubber rollers for my 1950's
vintage 6" belt sander.
Wayne
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andrew Barss wrote:
>
> > Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> > : Aside from the cheap brands (Sears, Ryobi, etc), what is the
> > : difference in these commericial grade tools? Such as Milwaukee,
> > : DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, etc?
> >
> >
> > These are all fine tool makers. Each has their own niche --
> > Milwaukee is the king of corded drills, Makita is well known for their
> > cordless ones, Dewalt and PC for routers, etc.
> >
> > But you really can't go wrong with any of them.
>
> And don't sell Sears short, just know what you're getting. Most of their
> jigsaws are cheap crap for example, but one is a relabelled Bosch. Thing
I
> like about Sears is that they keep a huge parts inventory and have decent
> online ordering for parts.
>
> > -- Andy Barss
>
> --
> --John
> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
The better brands "tend" to be more powerful, last longer, and work better.
Depending on what you want it for, the cheap stuff might be okay, perhaps
even best. I have all the Ryobi 18v, and it works fine. (However, my 12v
Dewalt is more powerful than my 18v Ryobi; it is also heavier.)
On the other hand, I wouldn't wish a Ryobi ROS on anyone; all the energy
seems to go into vibrating rather than sanding. The PC, at about twice the
price, is a much much better buy. Cheap isn't a bargain when it doesn't
work.
Homier is in a special class all to itself. It is hard to see how they even
make a tool for the prices they sell for. Sadly, they break almost
immediately.
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:00:03 -0400, Nova <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:
>I currently have a similar problem. About 20 years ago while remodeling my my
>bathroom I installed a Sears labeled bath/shower faucet with "Lifetime
>Guaranteed" cartridges instead of the standard washers. The hot water cartridge
>is now bad, the company that made the faucet is belly up, Sears is out of
>replacement parts and none of the local plumbing suppliers I tried can come up
>with a replacement.
>
>On the up side, after 20 years the bathroom was long overdue for an update.
So how much is Searz kicking in toward the update, Yack?
A new faucet set, at least?
--
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Boycott Baby Oil! || Programmed Websites
Dave Hinz wrote:
>
> The only time, in my opinion, to slavishly stick with one brand,
> is if you have cordless tools all of which can share common
> battery packs. DeWalt is good in this regard.
>
> Dave Hinz
The cordless makers have us caught there. You can buy all the tools you
want need in a single brand and battery size except one and the missing one
you want is always a different brand/battery style.