On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:44:58 -0500, Cape Cod Bob
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Last week, I heard from a guy at the Fairfield, CT store and another
>at Hyannis (Cape Cod) that some middle management types at WW were
>trying to get funding to buy at least 4 stores (maybe 10) and operate
>them independently.
We kept asking the Wallingford employees why they couldn't do this.
The Wallingford store had a great location and an excellent staff.
Barry
Terry Sumner wrote:
>
> This is why I had asked about what the Western Tool Supply company's
> stores were like. If I'm going to work there, I was just wondering
> what the stores were like. It is my understanding that Western carries
> pretty much the same lines of tools that WWW carried and maybe more.
Terry,
I have been a customer at Western Tool in Portland for several years.
They are good stores - among the very best for people needing supplies
for serious work. I am just a cash customer with a home shop and I
assume those with accounts get better prices, but I still think the
prices are really good. The prices are similar to their web site prices,
but often vary by a bit. The web site isn't that great - searching, for
example, is often frustrating, but I've never been frustrated by
anything in the stores. I drive a bit extra to go to them.
The service is friendly but not phoney and everyone seems to know their
stuff. They will leave me alone or follow me around answering questions.
Special orders are easy, they load things for me, dig through catalogs
or open boxes to answer questions, etc.
The first time I went into their store, it didn't look like they had a
lot of stock. But what I realized was that they have nearly everything I
need, it's just that the stores aren't half full of trinkets that
promote impulse buying. And they only stock good quality items. There
are many choices in some areas (e.g lots of cordless drills)and few
in others (e.g. only Olson band saw blades, only Whiteside router bits),
but the mix seems right to me. Everything (except for sometimes a very
few cheap doo-dads at the counter) is the quality level I can rely on to
work well for a long time.
Western Tool is also a place where I can send a friend, knowing that
they will likely get good advice and that since the store isn't half
full of crap, they will leave with something that will do the job at a
good price. I can't over-emphasize how nice it is to send someone to a
store that only sells good stuff.
There's no guarantee that their policies will extend to other stores as
they expand, but odds are in your favor. There is that nasty pattern of
local companies that have been successful at a small scale, grown until
they got some national attention, and then been bought out by a major
organization with wildly different ideas about customer service and no
local understanding. Hope that doesn't happen to them (you!).
Too late to make a long story short, I guess; but Western Tool is a
place I wouldn't mind working, and I think of them first when I need
something. Good luck.
David
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:03:23 -0500, Terry Sumner <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Our store in Norwich, Ct. was among the top 20 and this coming Friday
>will be the last day. I was told ALL the stores will be closed by the
>15th!
>
>Terry Sumner
>Asst Manager WWW Norwich, Ct.
>(for another week...:o)
Terry,
Last week, I heard from a guy at the Fairfield, CT store and another
at Hyannis (Cape Cod) that some middle management types at WW were
trying to get funding to buy at least 4 stores (maybe 10) and operate
them independently.
Have you heard this?
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:44:13 -0800, Jane & David
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have been a customer at Western Tool in Portland for several years.
>They are good stores - among the very best for people needing supplies
>for serious work. I am just a cash customer with a home shop and I
>assume those with accounts get better prices, but I still think the
>prices are really good. The prices are similar to their web site prices,
>but often vary by a bit. The web site isn't that great - searching, for
>example, is often frustrating, but I've never been frustrated by
>anything in the stores. I drive a bit extra to go to them.
> SNIP But what I realized was that they have nearly everything I
>need, it's just that the stores aren't half full of trinkets that
>promote impulse buying.
Isn't that kind of stuff that makes window shopping in a tool store
fun when you don;t REALLY need to buy a real tool?
[email protected] (DEin2000) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS IS no
> warranty.
I talked to a supervisor @ WMH tool group regarding the 18" JET
bandsaw and was told that they would do whatever they could to make me
happy short of taking the saw back.(new parts, tech to house,ect) This
saw was purchased 12/20/03 at WWW for 15%off.There is nothing broken
with the saw, it is just too lightly built for my liking.Keith
Ron-I guess I should have 'splained myself better-I was attempting to
show that JET service is top notch-even on a product that was
purchased from WW after bankruptcy.Keith
"Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Which is understandable - there is NOTHING WRONG with the saw. The 'Return
> Policy' is up to the establishment which sold the tool. This can vary from,
> 'No Refunds . . . only Exchanges', to 'No Cash Refunds . . . Store Credit
> Only', to a very generous, 'Return for Any Reason at Any Time'.
>
> The MANUFACTURERS warranty terms are defined in the paperwork you filled in
> and sent to them - the tool 'Registration'.
>
> To offer to send a Tech TO YOUR HOME is VERY GOOD 'Customer Service' !!
>
> Regards,
> Ron Magen
> Backyard Boatshop
> {who READS EVERYTHING . . . then copies & files it !!}
>
> "keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS
> IS no
> > > warranty.
> >
> > I talked to a supervisor @ WMH tool group regarding the 18" JET
> > bandsaw and was told that they would do whatever they could to make me
> > happy short of taking the saw back.(new parts, tech to house,ect) This
> > saw was purchased 12/20/03 at WWW for 15%off.There is nothing broken
> > with the saw, it is just too lightly built for my liking.Keith
The only think I've seen in the Sears store is a Jet drill press. I found
the Jet Contractor TS at Sears.com. Then I went to the store and had them
order it. Had to pay up front, but I got the sale price and discounts. I
haven't seen any Jet cabinet saws on their website thought. Just contractor
saw and band saw.
SK
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:41:51 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Got a Jet 3 HP Cabinet Saw for 30% off... thought that was pretty good.
;-)
>
>
> Where do you guys live that Sears carries this stuff?
>
> Barry
Not to change the subject, but you're right on the prices. I just bought
the 10" Jet Contractor Saw (JWTS-10JF) for $472 (tax included). Cheapest I
could find it anywhere was $599.
The only catch is you have to pick it up (not a problem for me) and it's on
back order until Feb 3. Not to mention I had to call Jet for question as
most sears salespeople don't have a clue. But for that price, I can deal
with them.
Scott
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS
IS no
> > warranty.
>
> Utter and complete nonsense. If they warrant their tools, they cannot
> selectivly chose which retailers they will honor the warranty through.
>
> Pretty much a moot point since there aren't many Jet tools left at any
> WWWs.
>
> BTW - did anyone take advantage of the going-out-of-business sale. At
> the WWW near me, the major power tools were only 10-15% off. Sears is
> right up the block and their prices are a little cheaper than WWW. If
> you wait for one of their 10% off sales (which they seem to have every
> month or so) you get it for about the same price AND are able to
> return it if there is a problem. Couldn't see buying anything at WWW
> and having to go back to the mfg if there was a problem when I got it
> home.
>
> -Chris
On 5 Jan 2004 13:08:11 -0800, [email protected] (Chris) wrote:
>BTW - did anyone take advantage of the going-out-of-business sale. At
>the WWW near me, the major power tools were only 10-15% off. Sears is
>right up the block and their prices are a little cheaper than WWW.
Our local Sears dosen't sell what I consider major power tools.
They've got hand held power tools, and things like lunch box planers,
but never at a better price than the mail order joints or discount
tool houses.
However, aside from a wicked deal on a Jet JTAS w/ 50 something inch
fence, router lift, and Bosch router, most stationary tools were
available cheaper elsewhere than WW's going out of business sale.
For example, the Jet 6" jointer was marked down to $499. A local,
single store shop, has it for $439, every day. The Jet 18" BS was
marked down to $979. The other guy sells it for $959, every day.
Barry
>
>From your typing finger to God's ear. Heard that the Auburn, MA store
>was included.
>
I was told that Auburn won't be in the first round of openings. Same
with my area, Norwich. He said he does want to open in Auburn and
Norwich in the second round of openings. That's why I gotta drive 40
miles to Old Saybrook for a while...maybe a year! :o(
Terry
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:28:35 -0500, Terry Sumner <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I'm really looking forward to working
>there, even though it's 40 miles from my home! And with my vehicle's
>gas mileage, that's gonna be a big ouch!
>Terry
ya might want to consider picking up something smaller and more fuel
efficient for the commute....
Bridger
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:41:51 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Got a Jet 3 HP Cabinet Saw for 30% off... thought that was pretty good. ;-)
Where do you guys live that Sears carries this stuff?
Barry
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:41:51 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Got a Jet 3 HP Cabinet Saw for 30% off... thought that was pretty good.
;-)
>
>
> Where do you guys live that Sears carries this stuff?
I bought the saw at WWW... the local Sears sometimes has the contractor's
saw in the store along with drill presses and a few other Jet items.
However, they never seem to have anything but the entry level Jet tools,
e.g,. contractors saw with stamped steel wings and Jet fence vs. the cast
iron wings and XACTA Home fence.
BTW, WWW called me this morning and told me they came up with the XACTA II
Commercial fence and table for the saw... got that stuff for 50% off.
Overall I got about 36% off on the saw and fence combined. I also beat
Amazon/Tool Crib by about $460 (with Amazon's free shipping and no tax vs.
having to pay tax at WWW taken into account).
I hate to loose that store but I cannot complain about the deals at the
end... I found out tonight that two of the guys have been offered jobs at
another local store (which they accepted). I'm glad for them as they had
provided me with good service for a long time. I wished them well and
thanked them for that service several times over the past few weeks.
John
[email protected] (DEin2000) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS IS no
> warranty.
Utter and complete nonsense. If they warrant their tools, they cannot
selectivly chose which retailers they will honor the warranty through.
Pretty much a moot point since there aren't many Jet tools left at any
WWWs.
BTW - did anyone take advantage of the going-out-of-business sale. At
the WWW near me, the major power tools were only 10-15% off. Sears is
right up the block and their prices are a little cheaper than WWW. If
you wait for one of their 10% off sales (which they seem to have every
month or so) you get it for about the same price AND are able to
return it if there is a problem. Couldn't see buying anything at WWW
and having to go back to the mfg if there was a problem when I got it
home.
-Chris
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 5 Jan 2004 13:08:11 -0800, [email protected] (Chris) wrote:
>
> >BTW - did anyone take advantage of the going-out-of-business sale. At
> >the WWW near me, the major power tools were only 10-15% off. Sears is
> >right up the block and their prices are a little cheaper than WWW.
>
> Our local Sears dosen't sell what I consider major power tools.
> They've got hand held power tools, and things like lunch box planers,
> but never at a better price than the mail order joints or discount
> tool houses.
Unfortunate use of the term "major power tools" on my part. Not being
in the market for any MAJOR power tools (such as a cabinet saur or
other big iron) I was referring to hand helds and specifically a
"lunch box" planer which I AM currently in the market for. My opinion
on those stand though. The prices at Sears are a little better than
the pre-bankrupt prices at WWW. And lo and behold, in the mail
yesterday was a 10% coupon for any item at Sears.
Once the discounts had progressed to the 20-40% range at my local WWW
there was not much left. Which again makes me wonder who was buying
all of this stuff at 10-15% off with option for returns? I was
interested in a DeWalt Planer (floor model), which for only 15% off is
not a bargain to me. Can't return it if there is a problem and no box
to ship it back to DeWalt if I needed service.
-Chris
On 04 Jan 2004 20:18:02 GMT, [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote:
>Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS IS no
>warranty.
There wouldn't be a WW guarantee, but all tools sold would come with
the manufacturer's warranty.
On 04 Jan 2004 20:18:02 GMT, [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote:
>Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS IS no
>warranty.
Given that Woodworkers Warehouse is in the final throes of bankruptcy
clearance, you're warning will have practically no effect.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
> BTW - did anyone take advantage of the going-out-of-business sale. At
> the WWW near me, the major power tools were only 10-15% off. Sears is
> right up the block and their prices are a little cheaper than WWW. If
> you wait for one of their 10% off sales (which they seem to have every
> month or so) you get it for about the same price AND are able to
> return it if there is a problem. Couldn't see buying anything at WWW
> and having to go back to the mfg if there was a problem when I got it
> home.
Got a Jet 3 HP Cabinet Saw for 30% off... thought that was pretty good. ;-)
John
On 5 Jan 2004 04:59:27 -0800, [email protected] (keith) wrote:
>[email protected] (DEin2000) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS IS no
>> warranty.
>
>I talked to a supervisor @ WMH tool group regarding the 18" JET
>bandsaw and was told that they would do whatever they could to make me
>happy short of taking the saw back.(new parts, tech to house,ect) This
>saw was purchased 12/20/03 at WWW for 15%off.There is nothing broken
>with the saw, it is just too lightly built for my liking.Keith
hey, you bought the thing. if it's not suitable for your needs, sell
it on the open market. I'd bet you won't have any problem finding
somebody to take it off of your hands for what you paid or nearly
that.
buying closeouts and liquidations carries certain risks. you're
looking at them.
Bridger
On the Jet Website they say,
"If you purchased a qualifying Green Tag Tool at Woodworkers Warehouse
between September 1, 2003 and December 31, 2003 and want to purchase a
second program tool or accessories to qualify for the rebate, you can make
your purchase at another retail location.
WMH Tool Group will honor the rebate request in this situation ONLY even
though the rebate coupon states that the tools and accessories MUST be
purchased at the same retail location.
Doesn't sound like they're reneging on anything. And doesn't the warranty
come in the paperwork included by Jet?
Lionel
Take the DOG out before sending email.
"DEin2000" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS
IS no
> warranty.
.
>Terry,
>Last week, I heard from a guy at the Fairfield, CT store and another
>at Hyannis (Cape Cod) that some middle management types at WW were
>trying to get funding to buy at least 4 stores (maybe 10) and operate
>them independently.
>
>Have you heard this?
Well, we've been telling our customers about this, so I have to assume
it's not a secret. Our former area manager, who would be that "middle
manager type", has teamed up with the owner of Western Tool Supply to
open up a series of stores out here in the eastern part of the
country. He plans on opening at least 11 stores very quickly, with
most of them in the same areas if not the actual former locations of
the defunct WWW stores. That is of course, if the leases can be
worked out to everyone's satisfaction.
One of the first, if not the first to open will be in the Old
Saybrook, Conn. location. Also slated for openings are Hyannis, Mass.
and Port Chester, New York. There are around 8 others too, but I
don't know where they are. These new stores are not connected to WWW
in any way, shape or form.
This is why I had asked about what the Western Tool Supply company's
stores were like. If I'm going to work there, I was just wondering
what the stores were like. It is my understanding that Western carries
pretty much the same lines of tools that WWW carried and maybe more.
To me, this is very exciting and I'm really looking forward to working
there, even though it's 40 miles from my home! And with my vehicle's
gas mileage, that's gonna be a big ouch!
If all goes well and there are no glitches, we could be up and running
in the next few weeks. I just hope it really comes to pass and nothing
comes up to screw the whole works up!
Terry
Terry Summer writes:
>
>To me, this is very exciting and I'm really looking forward to working
>there, even though it's 40 miles from my home! And with my vehicle's
>gas mileage, that's gonna be a big ouch!
Congratulations on finding a new job so quickly.
On the vehicle front, you might want to consider doing what I did some years
ago when I was working an extended contract 35 miles from my house: my Dodge
D150 got lousy mileage; I parked it and bought a used Geo Metro (no longer
made, but still available used) for about $4500. The difference in mileage (the
Geo made the trip on about 1-3/4 gallons, the Dodge took 5) paid for the Geo
fairly quickly at a savings of about $15 a week at that time.
Charlie Self
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie Self wrote:
> (no longer made, but still available used) for about $4500. The difference
> in mileage (the Geo made the trip on about 1-3/4 gallons, the Dodge took
> 5) paid for the Geo fairly quickly at a savings of about $15 a week at
> that time.
Not as cheap, certainly, but if I were buying today, and had money, I'd look
at one of the hybrids for this kind of thing.
If I had money, I'd already own a hybrid. Perfect for me. I'd do much of
my running on the batteries. Cut my gas bill down from $20 per six weeks
to maybe $20 a year. :)
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
How are they in the slush and snow? I've seen a few up here, but they were
driven by snowbirds, and they looked mighty low. Dealers don't carry 'em
because they don't want to be the first to find out they're inadequate.
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Compared to what it costs using other small cars owned by workers at
> the Yukon Energy Solutions Centre, according to them. The calculations
> were done how much was paid for the gas needed to drive between
> Whitehorse and Dawson City - 538km each way in very little traffic on
> a two lane highway. Probably driving between 100 and 130 km/h. So not
> a rigourous scientific test, but nevertheless indicative of what to
> expect under those conditions. Basically, they found that the electric
> motors hardly came on at all; the Prius was running on the gas engine
> practically all the time. We're talking about people who have a
> professional interest and expertise in energy efficiency, so I'm
> inclined to believe them.
Big worries about the wet and salt and electrical connections, I guess.
Best thing we've found for slush driving is on the wife's Focus wagon. Four
wheel stability computer keeps it in a straight line even when one wheel
dips into the puddles.
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:47:28 -0500, "George"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >How are they in the slush and snow? I've seen a few up here, but they
were
> >driven by snowbirds, and they looked mighty low.
>
> My inlaw's Prius is excellent in slush and reasonable snow. If it's
> deep snow, they are like most other cars. The snowpack may cause
> clearance problems.
>
> If there's DEEP snow, they have a Subaru Outback as their other car,
> which is the best winter vehicle I've ever seen. The inlaws picked up
> their Subie after seeing what mine did for two winters. Our other car
> is a Jeep Wrangler Sport with 31" tires, and the Subaru is easily our
> first choice in major snow!
>
> Barry
Unfortunately, yes, I have. It was a number of years ago, when they were
made out of steel that was so crappy that they rang when the door closed,
and rusted so fast that big pieces began falling off after only four years!
Sold mine at 4 1/2 years for the value of the battery I had replaced three
months before. Kid's feet went through the floor next season, IIRC.
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:36:44 -0500, "George"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Big worries about the wet and salt and electrical connections, I guess.
>
> Have you ever owned a Toyota or Honda?
>
> Their attention to engineering detail is remarkable, hence the
> longevity of many of their cars. I wouldn't worry. The Honda hybrid
> has been around longer, and the examples I know of here in CT are
> holding up just like the IC Hondas. I'm 20 miles from the coast, and
> we get a decent amount of snow and slush.
>
> Now, if GM or Chrysler built the Prius... <G>
>
> Barry
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:47:28 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>How are they in the slush and snow? I've seen a few up here, but they were
>driven by snowbirds, and they looked mighty low.
My inlaw's Prius is excellent in slush and reasonable snow. If it's
deep snow, they are like most other cars. The snowpack may cause
clearance problems.
If there's DEEP snow, they have a Subaru Outback as their other car,
which is the best winter vehicle I've ever seen. The inlaws picked up
their Subie after seeing what mine did for two winters. Our other car
is a Jeep Wrangler Sport with 31" tires, and the Subaru is easily our
first choice in major snow!
Barry
Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:38:26 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> scribbled:
>
> >Charlie Self wrote:
> >
> >> (no longer made, but still available used) for about $4500. The difference
> >> in mileage (the Geo made the trip on about 1-3/4 gallons, the Dodge took
> >> 5) paid for the Geo fairly quickly at a savings of about $15 a week at
> >> that time.
> >
> >Not as cheap, certainly, but if I were buying today, and had money, I'd look
> >at one of the hybrids for this kind of thing.
>
> Hybrids are great in stop and go city driving, but hardly save
> anything on highway driving. This has been the experience of people at
> the Yukon Energy Solutions Centre, where they bought one a year ago
> and have been testing it out. I tried it out, but I was constantly
> distracted by the display that shows how much energy is generated or
> used.
You can turn the displays off if you like...
"Hybrids hardly save anything on the highway", compared to what?
The currently available hybrids in the US for purchase:
2004 Honda Civic Hybrid, CVT, 47 MPG city, 48 MPG highway
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/19580.shtml
2004 Honda Civic Hybrid, manual, 45 MPG city, 51 MPG highway
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/19582.shtml
2004 Honda Insight, CVT, 57 MPG city, 56 MPG highway
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/19356.shtml
2004 Honda Insight, manual, 60 MPG city, 66 MPG highway
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/19357.shtml
2004 Toyota Prius, eCVT, 60 MPG city, 51 MPG highway
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/19794.shtml
here's a brief description of how the EPA fuel economy estimates are
obtained (their definitions of city or highway driving certainly do not
match my driving style...):
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml#estimates
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:36:44 -0500, "George"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Big worries about the wet and salt and electrical connections, I guess.
>
> Have you ever owned a Toyota or Honda?
>
> Their attention to engineering detail is remarkable, hence the
> longevity of many of their cars. I wouldn't worry. The Honda hybrid
> has been around longer, and the examples I know of here in CT are
> holding up just like the IC Hondas. I'm 20 miles from the coast, and
> we get a decent amount of snow and slush.
The Honda Insight was released in the US (and Japan) in 1999 (2000
model year).
The Toyota Prius was released in Japan in 1997 (1998 model year), and
released in the US in 2000 (2001 model year).
The Honda Civic Hybrid was released in 2002 (2003 model year) in the
US.
(Toyota also has the Estima minivan (2001), the Alphard minivan
(2003),
the Crown sedan, and the Coaster bus available in hybrid versions in
Japan...)
Any electrical lines are well shielded and protected, so they're not
a big worry. The hybrid battery performs best in what humans consider
"room temperature", so the cabin air is run over the hybrid NiMH
batteries.
Stock tires are OK for most snow/ice/slush driving, but snow tires
would probably be best (as can be said for most any car).
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Terry Summer writes:
>
> >
> >To me, this is very exciting and I'm really looking forward to working
> >there, even though it's 40 miles from my home! And with my vehicle's
> >gas mileage, that's gonna be a big ouch!
>
> Congratulations on finding a new job so quickly.
>
> On the vehicle front, you might want to consider doing what I did some years
> ago when I was working an extended contract 35 miles from my house: my Dodge
> D150 got lousy mileage; I parked it and bought a used Geo Metro (no longer
> made, but still available used) for about $4500. The difference in mileage (the
> Geo made the trip on about 1-3/4 gallons, the Dodge took 5) paid for the Geo
> fairly quickly at a savings of about $15 a week at that time.
>
Unless I read something wrong, that $15/week gas savings per week
require 300 weeks of commuting to reach break-even; that's 5 years, 9
months. Then, you need to add in 6 years of registration for the
additional vehicle, even if the registration for the older car was only
$30 per year, that's another 12 weeks, which puts you well into the 7'th
year of ownership. I tried your gas numbers at $1.45/gallon, then the
savings pay for themselves after only 190 weeks, or 3 years, 8 months --
still seems like a long payback period, especially when having to
consider repair and maintenance on two, rather than one vehicle.
George wrote:
> Unfortunately, yes, I have. It was a number of years ago, when they were
> made out of steel that was so crappy that they rang when the door closed,
> and rusted so fast that big pieces began falling off after only four
> years! Sold mine at 4 1/2 years for the value of the battery I had
Yeah, Dad's '70-something Honda was like that. It just disintegrated.
He got rid of his '83 Honda in around 1990 or so. Seven years old, and it
was all to hell, but hadn't disintegrated.
They fixed all that though, I hear.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>>Not as cheap, certainly, but if I were buying today, and had money, I'd
>>look at one of the hybrids for this kind of thing.
>
> Hybrids are great in stop and go city driving, but hardly save
> anything on highway driving. This has been the experience of people at
It would save on highway driving too, which is very much stop and go at rush
hour. :) That's what I had in mind when I said that anyway.
> the Yukon Energy Solutions Centre, where they bought one a year ago
> and have been testing it out. I tried it out, but I was constantly
> distracted by the display that shows how much energy is generated or
> used.
I want one because I drive an average of 24 miles a week, and I haven't been
on the Interstate in years. (In my car, I mean. I get paid for all my
driving.)
Maintenance seems like the big issue. Batteries are expensive, and all
those electrowhatzits and flumgummies are almost certainly not shade tree
mechanic friendly. Hell I can't even fix the electrowhatzit that's been
broken on my 1987 model since 1989.
Seems you'd be married to dealer service, and dealer service is for rich
people. Plus I'm not sure how it would fare with so little use. Typically
my most expensive maintenance is having to replace dry rotted tires that
still have 90% of their tread life left every 10 years. I like it that
way. I'm a cheap bastard.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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On 07 Jan 2004 10:32:24 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>On the vehicle front, you might want to consider doing what I did some years
>ago when I was working an extended contract 35 miles from my house: my Dodge
>D150 got lousy mileage; I parked it and bought a used Geo Metro (no longer
>made, but still available used) for about $4500. The difference in mileage (the
>Geo made the trip on about 1-3/4 gallons, the Dodge took 5) paid for the Geo
>fairly quickly at a savings of about $15 a week at that time.
A few years back, I had a '78 Lincoln with a 460. I LOVED that car.
I ended up with a 35 mile commute. I bought a NEW 1991 Mazda Protege
and the payment, insurance, and fuel were less than the monthly fuel
bill on the Lincoln <G>
Barry
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:38:26 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> scribbled:
>Charlie Self wrote:
>
>> (no longer made, but still available used) for about $4500. The difference
>> in mileage (the Geo made the trip on about 1-3/4 gallons, the Dodge took
>> 5) paid for the Geo fairly quickly at a savings of about $15 a week at
>> that time.
>
>Not as cheap, certainly, but if I were buying today, and had money, I'd look
>at one of the hybrids for this kind of thing.
Hybrids are great in stop and go city driving, but hardly save
anything on highway driving. This has been the experience of people at
the Yukon Energy Solutions Centre, where they bought one a year ago
and have been testing it out. I tried it out, but I was constantly
distracted by the display that shows how much energy is generated or
used.
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
On 8 Jan 2004 10:07:18 -0800, [email protected] (Michelle Vadeboncoeur)
scribbled:
>Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Hybrids are great in stop and go city driving, but hardly save
>> anything on highway driving. This has been the experience of people at
>> the Yukon Energy Solutions Centre, where they bought one a year ago
>> and have been testing it out. I tried it out, but I was constantly
>> distracted by the display that shows how much energy is generated or
>> used.
>
>You can turn the displays off if you like...
Yeah, but they're really cool. :-) I guess after a while, I would get
used to them & only check them when needed, like a speedometer.
>"Hybrids hardly save anything on the highway", compared to what?
Compared to what it costs using other small cars owned by workers at
the Yukon Energy Solutions Centre, according to them. The calculations
were done how much was paid for the gas needed to drive between
Whitehorse and Dawson City - 538km each way in very little traffic on
a two lane highway. Probably driving between 100 and 130 km/h. So not
a rigourous scientific test, but nevertheless indicative of what to
expect under those conditions. Basically, they found that the electric
motors hardly came on at all; the Prius was running on the gas engine
practically all the time. We're talking about people who have a
professional interest and expertise in energy efficiency, so I'm
inclined to believe them.
>2004 Toyota Prius, eCVT, 60 MPG city, 51 MPG highway
>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/19794.shtml
Note the higher gas consumption on highway, which provides another
indication of my point, which was that they are not all that
economical for highway driving. But I should have added a bunch of
caveats: i.e., I was talking about the Prius (not the Hondas),
constant relatively high speed driving, etc. This is one case where
the YMMV acronym is literally true. :-)
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:36:44 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Big worries about the wet and salt and electrical connections, I guess.
Have you ever owned a Toyota or Honda?
Their attention to engineering detail is remarkable, hence the
longevity of many of their cars. I wouldn't worry. The Honda hybrid
has been around longer, and the examples I know of here in CT are
holding up just like the IC Hondas. I'm 20 miles from the coast, and
we get a decent amount of snow and slush.
Now, if GM or Chrysler built the Prius... <G>
Barry
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:08:29 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:38:26 -0500, Silvan
><[email protected]> scribbled:
>Hybrids are great in stop and go city driving, but hardly save
>anything on highway driving. This has been the experience of people at
>the Yukon Energy Solutions Centre, where they bought one a year ago
>and have been testing it out.
My inlaws have a 2002 Prius. Great car, but the above is true, it's
better in city and suburban driving. What a great car!
Barry
On 04 Jan 2004 20:18:02 GMT, [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote:
>Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS IS no
>warranty.
Ya know...that's news to me. . Who informed you of that? As far as
we in the stores knew, ALL manufacturer's warranties are in effect.
In fact, nothing has been sold in "As Is" condition unless so marked.
All sales were indeed "final", but what in the world does that have to
do with the manufacturer's guarantee? As far as we knew, that only
meant that one couldn't bring the tool back to WWW within the normal
30 day period. If this is so, then we in the stores were duped and
were totally unaware of this fact. There were no signs anywhere
alluding to tools being sold "As Is, No Warranty."
I cannot see how Jet cannot honor their own guarantee.
I would check into your state's consumer protection laws, there's got
to be something that protects the consumer in this matter!
And besides...it's kind of a moot point by now as many of the stores
are already closed and I doubt that any of the stores have any Jet
machines left to sell. We sold out all machinery within the first 2
weeks after learning we were going OOB.
Our store in Norwich, Ct. was among the top 20 and this coming Friday
will be the last day. I was told ALL the stores will be closed by the
15th!
Terry Sumner
Asst Manager WWW Norwich, Ct.
(for another week...:o)
Terry Summer writes:
>Ya know...that's news to me. . Who informed you of that? As far as
>we in the stores knew, ALL manufacturer's warranties are in effect.
>In fact, nothing has been sold in "As Is" condition unless so marked.
>All sales were indeed "final", but what in the world does that have to
>do with the manufacturer's guarantee? As far as we knew, that only
>meant that one couldn't bring the tool back to WWW within the normal
>30 day period. If this is so, then we in the stores were duped and
>were totally unaware of this fact. There were no signs anywhere
>alluding to tools being sold "As Is, No Warranty."
>
>I cannot see how Jet cannot honor their own guarantee.
>
>I would check into your state's consumer protection laws, there's got
>to be something that protects the consumer in this matter!
Don't bet on it protection. The seller is NOT Jet, but WW. If WW stuck Jet for
big bucks, which is the rumor, when they filed for bankruptcy, then Jet may be
trying to save itself whatever it costs to honor warrantees.
And then again, maybe not. It's not a great move from a customer satisfaction
standpoint, and the guys I've known at Jet have been very good about that.
Charlie Self
"I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house." Zsa
Zsa Gabor
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On 04 Jan 2004 22:50:11 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
>Don't bet on it protection. The seller is NOT Jet, but WW. If WW
stuck Jet for
>big bucks, which is the rumor, when they filed for bankruptcy, then Jet may be
>trying to save itself whatever it costs to honor warrantees.
>
>And then again, maybe not. It's not a great move from a customer satisfaction
>standpoint, and the guys I've known at Jet have been very good about that.
>
>Charlie Self
>"I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house." Zsa
Yeah Charlie, I understand that. You may be right. But I have a hard
time believing that because even though WW is the seller, there never
has been a guarantee from WW. The guarantee was always with the tool
manufacturer. WW never guaranteed anything. The policy was a 30 day no
questions asked return policy. I know because one of my duties as
Asst Mgr. was to handle all the returns from customers. Whenever any
customer brought anything back that was defective, WW simply gave the
customer another of the same item, no questions asked. Well...none
other than, "What's wrong with it." :o)
I would then have to call the manufacturer and obtain an RGA number
(Return Goods Authorization). I would then send the item back to the
manufacturer and they would either send my store a replacement or
credit the WW account.
And also I think that Jet would be pretty high on the list of
creditors to get paid for their stuff that they were owed for. That
liquidatore, Great American, bought all the inventory and that money
went to the bankruptcy court, who then doles it out to the creditors.
Of course I don't know this for sure...I'm just guessing. As you may
be able to tell, those of us down at the store level weren't really
informed very much as to what the hell was going on.
And I certainly agree with you on the bad move by Jet as to honoring
their guarantees. This can only create a bad image for Jet, which will
be repeated from woodworker to woodworker for years to come.
I know that if I work at some other store in the future, I sure as
heck won't be so quick to recommend Jet tools if they won't stand
behind them!
Terry Sumner
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:18:02 +0000, DEin2000 wrote:
> Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS IS no
> warranty.
caveat emptor
Whenever I buy something, I check the vendor's return policies first then
shipping/handling costs. I ask questions until I am satisfied.
To do anything less is asking for trouble, but you already know this.
I was told this as well from a jet rep on the phone. I bought a jwts 10"
contractor saw with cast wings for $500 incl tax and a piece that holds the
blade guard was not tapped to allow the rod to be inserted! I called jet and
they said that they would not supply missing parts to www purchases, but
would honor the warranty. My piece was clearly defective. They are sending
me a replacement part via ground shipping.
.
"Brian Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 04 Jan 2004 20:18:02 GMT, [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote:
>
> >Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS
IS no
> >warranty.
>
> There wouldn't be a WW guarantee, but all tools sold would come with
> the manufacturer's warranty.
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:28:35 -0500, Terry Sumner <[email protected]>
wrote:
>.
>>Terry,
>>Last week, I heard from a guy at the Fairfield, CT store and another
>>at Hyannis (Cape Cod) that some middle management types at WW were
>>trying to get funding to buy at least 4 stores (maybe 10) and operate
>>them independently.
>>
>>Have you heard this?
>
>Well, we've been telling our customers about this, so I have to assume
>it's not a secret. Our former area manager, who would be that "middle
>manager type", has teamed up with the owner of Western Tool Supply to
>open up a series of stores out here in the eastern part of the
>country. He plans on opening at least 11 stores very quickly, with
>most of them in the same areas if not the actual former locations of
>the defunct WWW stores. That is of course, if the leases can be
>worked out to everyone's satisfaction.
>
>One of the first, if not the first to open will be in the Old
>Saybrook, Conn. location. Also slated for openings are Hyannis, Mass.
>and Port Chester, New York. There are around 8 others too, but I
>don't know where they are. These new stores are not connected to WWW
>in any way, shape or form.
>
>This is why I had asked about what the Western Tool Supply company's
>stores were like. If I'm going to work there, I was just wondering
>what the stores were like. It is my understanding that Western carries
>pretty much the same lines of tools that WWW carried and maybe more.
>
>To me, this is very exciting and I'm really looking forward to working
>there, even though it's 40 miles from my home! And with my vehicle's
>gas mileage, that's gonna be a big ouch!
>
>If all goes well and there are no glitches, we could be up and running
>in the next few weeks. I just hope it really comes to pass and nothing
>comes up to screw the whole works up!
From your typing finger to God's ear. Heard that the Auburn, MA store
was included.
Yep, someone needs to take JET to small claims court over a breech of
contract issue with the warranty. Betcha a bunch of folks could get
together and work up a class action suit against JET in this situation
Talk about BAD Publicity???
Someone at Jet must have their head shoved clean up to their shoulder
up their ass on this one
John
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:05:47 -0600, "Lionel"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On the Jet Website they say,
>"If you purchased a qualifying Green Tag Tool at Woodworkers Warehouse
>between September 1, 2003 and December 31, 2003 and want to purchase a
>second program tool or accessories to qualify for the rebate, you can make
>your purchase at another retail location.
>
>WMH Tool Group will honor the rebate request in this situation ONLY even
>though the rebate coupon states that the tools and accessories MUST be
>purchased at the same retail location.
>
>Doesn't sound like they're reneging on anything. And doesn't the warranty
>come in the paperwork included by Jet?
>
>Lionel
>
>Take the DOG out before sending email.
>
>"DEin2000" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS
>IS no
>> warranty.
>
John Crea writes:
>
>Yep, someone needs to take JET to small claims court over a breech of
>contract issue with the warranty. Betcha a bunch of folks could get
>together and work up a class action suit against JET in this situation
>
Unless there's a bunch of folks out there to whom this happened, a breach of
contract suit is damned unlikely. So far, it seems, we've got one dissatisfied
customer presenting HIS side of the tale. That doesn't amount to a lawsuit,
even in today's idiotic tort climate.
Charlie Self
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On 05 Jan 2004 18:37:37 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>So far, it seems, we've got one dissatisfied customer presenting HIS side
>of the tale.
You have crystallized my thoughts eloquently.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Which is understandable - there is NOTHING WRONG with the saw. The 'Return
Policy' is up to the establishment which sold the tool. This can vary from,
'No Refunds . . . only Exchanges', to 'No Cash Refunds . . . Store Credit
Only', to a very generous, 'Return for Any Reason at Any Time'.
The MANUFACTURERS warranty terms are defined in the paperwork you filled in
and sent to them - the tool 'Registration'.
To offer to send a Tech TO YOUR HOME is VERY GOOD 'Customer Service' !!
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{who READS EVERYTHING . . . then copies & files it !!}
"keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (DEin2000) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Was informed all items sold at wood workers warehouse stores are sold AS
IS no
> > warranty.
>
> I talked to a supervisor @ WMH tool group regarding the 18" JET
> bandsaw and was told that they would do whatever they could to make me
> happy short of taking the saw back.(new parts, tech to house,ect) This
> saw was purchased 12/20/03 at WWW for 15%off.There is nothing broken
> with the saw, it is just too lightly built for my liking.Keith