I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
in a sliding model.
Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
need.
Does anyone have experience with either unit?
Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
Any information would be appreciated.
Mike O.
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
>
> The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> need.
> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
I looked at those also, but bought a DeWalt. It will cut up to a 4 x 6 @ 90
degrees. I don't know about on an angle, but it can be done with two cuts.
> I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
Ryobi is light weight. For most homeowners with occasional use, it is OK.
For a contractor that uses the tools every day, it is not going to hold up.
The Ridgid is a bit better, but don't let the lifetime warranty lull you
into a sense of security. It is for manufacturing defects only so normal
wear is not covered. The DeWalt is about $300. Only you can determine if
the better quality is worth the extra $.
Ed
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote
> I'm not looking for a slider, too much $$ for my wallet & my needs.
Dewalt 705S 12" compound miter saw. Commonly available, nice
accessories available, not too pricey. Very good ergonomics.
We've had one a decade, I think, and it still cuts clean and square.
$300 at Home Depot or Amazon, less when on sale.
We've occasionally considered upgrading the 705S (my other tools
include a Unisaw, a PM54A 6" longbed jointer, and so on: we can spend
some serious money on tools if we want) but never seen the need.
--
Dennis M. O'Connor [email protected]
I've got two riding mowers: one is 1200lbs, the other 5000 lbs...
and I guess the horses count as "riding mowers" too.
[email protected] (Mike O.) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
[clipped for space only]
>
> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
> Mike O.
Mike, I honestly think you might be asking for more headache by
narrowing it down like this.
I also went that route some time back, buying at the lower end. It did
not pay off. The waste of materials, the increase in labor, the
annoyance factor, safety -- I wish I'd bought a Makita long ago. You
pay once and you're good to go 20 years.
From the very first cut, the superior tool makes enough difference to
make a difference.
Try a few saws, don't take anyone's word for it. Even at Home Depot,
they have days when they can set up tools for trial use. Cut a few
boards. (When I did that, I abandoned all thought of buying anything
less than the Makita L1013, the unique twin linear bearing was so
different in feel and comfort level, it was convincing.)
Don't forget that buying the tool is a down payment. You'd be
surprised how much expensive material you can wreck with a cheapo
tool. (And how quickly.) You need to set it up too. Sometimes that
means a new blade (maybe $50) or a whole station - think $90 to $200
for a miter saw stand that suits your way of working.
If you really don't need to own a tool - why not rent? If that pinches
the time element too much, buy a GOOD tool, keep it absolutely clean
and in good shape, use it for your big project - then sell it. If you
buy junk, it has almost no salvage value. Buy a big name brand and it
will sell for almost what you paid for it a year later.
Heck, in Ebay, it can sometimes sell over retail.
I went through a similiar decision process and finally went with the
Bosch 10inch slider. Tool Crib had it discounted deeply at the time.
Must say the saw is precise / smooth / relatively quiet/ and comes
with a very high quality blade.
I've cut everything on it from 3/4" balsa strip 1/16" thick to all the
5/4 pressure treated deck boards and 4x4 posts for my new 16 x 32 ft
deck. I can't say enough good things about it.
Get the hold down and the wings for it if you go that way.
Bobby
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Ldxzb.408922$HS4.3307486@attbi_s01>...
> "Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> > weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> > projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> >
> > We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> > basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> > basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> > play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> > but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
> >
> > Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> > there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> > 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> > in a sliding model.
> >
> > Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> > either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
> >
> > The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> > Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> > as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> > handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> > on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> > in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> > might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> > need.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with either unit?
> >
> > Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> > the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> > Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
> >
> > I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> > Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
> >
> > Any information would be appreciated.
> >
> > Mike O.
>
> Not sure about the 'new' Rigid line, but, I'd steer away from the Ryobi
> if you're planning on using in on a regular basis. You'll always find a
> project around the house where it could be needed.
>
> I have a Delta 10" cmpd mtr saw.
> Had it for about 3 years, it does a great job and get a lot of use.
>
> It will crosscut a 4x4 or 2x6.
> I'd have to flip a 2x8 over though.
>
> I would think most 10" models would have similiar capacities.
>
> I've had to make several miter cuts where the 12" would have been useful.
>
> Go with the 12" if you can.
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:39:56 -0500, "Mike O."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Jeff Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 3 Dec 2003 10:44:18 -0800, [email protected] (Mike O.) wrote:
>>
>> >I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
>> >weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
>> >projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>> >
>> >We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
>> >basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
>> >basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
>> >play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
>> >but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>> >
>> >Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
>> >there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
>> >4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
>> >in a sliding model.
>>
>> Go with 12", you'll be glad you did. If you don't need a sliding
>> compound miter saw, you won't miss the extra weight of it. I've used
>> an older Rigid, and it was fairly decent, but bought a Dewalt when I
>> bought mine. I don't care for Ryobi, the tools are too light weight
>> for me.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>How does the Rigid compare with the Dewalt? They're both price about the
>same at Home Depot, but it looks like Dewalt doesn't include a clamp or
>stand.
The older Rigid I used probably didn't come with the clamp or stand
either. The Rigid tools are pretty solid, and for homeowner use I'd
say you'd be happy with them. Except for very minor differences they
are about the same value, and unless those minor differences are
enough to sway you there shouldn't be any loss in choosing one over
the other.
At the time I bought mine, Dewalt had a decent rebate, which swayed
me. Unfortunately, I also bought my Dewalt planer because they were
clearing out the older models and offering a free jig saw for
purchasers. While I like the planer, I never did get the saw after
three times sending in the rebates forms. Wrong form (I printed it
from the website...) then no original sales slip (they didn't return
the sales slip the first time, just sent a form...) then the third
time with a photocopy of the sales slip, and after a phone call with
their rebate people, I got a letter staing I hadn't sent in the proper
proof of purchase. They hadn't returned that when they sent the new
rebate form either, and after two phone calls and a letter I haven't
heard from them again.
But I'm happy with the Porter Cable tools I've chosen over the Dewalt
line... :)
No, I doubt I'll buy another Dewalt tool. But not due to the quality,
I'd just rather Dewalt's competitor's got my business from now on.
Jeff
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:22:15 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>does dust collection work on ANY SCMS?
Connected to a vac, yes. Though mine is used 95% outside, it does
pretty good in the shop, though I might build a collector if I ever
really get to using it in the shop a lot. Dewalt.
Jeff
When I bought my Rigid it came with a clamp, and an add on table extension.
The clamp I use lot's, the extension collects dust. As I said before get the
12" unit, whichever you buy, and keep a sharp blade in it. I keep a rotating
schedule, one in use, one being sharpened, and one ready to use. Especially
if you cut big stuff and pt lumber.
Dave
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jeff Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 3 Dec 2003 10:44:18 -0800, [email protected] (Mike O.) wrote:
> >
> > >I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> > >weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> > >projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> > >
> > >We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> > >basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> > >basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> > >play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> > >but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
> > >
> > >Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> > >there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> > >4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> > >in a sliding model.
> >
> > Go with 12", you'll be glad you did. If you don't need a sliding
> > compound miter saw, you won't miss the extra weight of it. I've used
> > an older Rigid, and it was fairly decent, but bought a Dewalt when I
> > bought mine. I don't care for Ryobi, the tools are too light weight
> > for me.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> How does the Rigid compare with the Dewalt? They're both price about the
> same at Home Depot, but it looks like Dewalt doesn't include a clamp or
> stand.
>
> - Mike
>
>
On 12/03/2003 10:44 AM, in article
[email protected], "Mike O."
<[email protected]> opined:
> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>
Hitachi, they patented the dual rail system.
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Ldxzb.408922$HS4.3307486@attbi_s01...
> Not sure about the 'new' Rigid line, but, I'd steer away from the Ryobi
I'm pretty sure the "new" Rigid line is made by Ryobi (and the one Ryobi
tool I ever bought, for light use, lasted 2 weeks. That's a pretty lean
definition of "light"). At least that's the general concensus from those at
rec.woodworking.
I bought the Dewalt 10" 703. Great saw but I don't think it will cut a 4x4.
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>
> We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>
> Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> in a sliding model.
>
> Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
>
> The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> need.
>
> Does anyone have experience with either unit?
>
> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
>
> I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
>
> Any information would be appreciated.
>
> Mike O.
Not sure about the 'new' Rigid line, but, I'd steer away from the Ryobi
if you're planning on using in on a regular basis. You'll always find a
project around the house where it could be needed.
I have a Delta 10" cmpd mtr saw.
Had it for about 3 years, it does a great job and get a lot of use.
It will crosscut a 4x4 or 2x6.
I'd have to flip a 2x8 over though.
I would think most 10" models would have similiar capacities.
I've had to make several miter cuts where the 12" would have been useful.
Go with the 12" if you can.
I have an older model 12" Rigid, the one without the laser doohickey. I've
cut 4x4 with it, and even some at an angle, but not to severe. I can tell
you that it has worked and worked without any issues with me. Built a garage
addition, three decks, and any number of home projects.
Just make sure you get the 12" and not a 10" saw.
Dave
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>
> We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>
> Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> in a sliding model.
>
> Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
>
> The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> need.
>
> Does anyone have experience with either unit?
>
> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
>
> I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
>
> Any information would be appreciated.
>
> Mike O.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> does dust collection work on ANY SCMS?
>
> dave
Sure. A portion goes in the bag, the rest goes into a 6' x 10' area behind
the saw. ready for the shop vac.
Ed
Have you looked at Hitachi's sliding miter saw? It's far and away
better than Ryobi, Rigid, Delta etc.
Boden
Ron wrote:
> "Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
>>weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
>>projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>>
>>We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
>>basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
>>basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
>>play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
>>but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>>
>>Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
>>there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
>>4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
>>in a sliding model.
>>
>>Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
>>either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
>>
>>The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
>>Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
>>as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
>>handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
>>on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
>>in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
>>might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
>>need.
>>
>>Does anyone have experience with either unit?
>>
>>Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
>>the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
>>Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
>>
>>I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
>>Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
>>
>>Any information would be appreciated.
>>
>>Mike O.
>
>
> Not sure about the 'new' Rigid line, but, I'd steer away from the Ryobi
> if you're planning on using in on a regular basis. You'll always find a
> project around the house where it could be needed.
>
> I have a Delta 10" cmpd mtr saw.
> Had it for about 3 years, it does a great job and get a lot of use.
>
> It will crosscut a 4x4 or 2x6.
> I'd have to flip a 2x8 over though.
>
> I would think most 10" models would have similiar capacities.
>
> I've had to make several miter cuts where the 12" would have been useful.
>
> Go with the 12" if you can.
>
>
>
>
Ron wrote:
> "Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
>>weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
>>projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>>
>>We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
>>basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
>>basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
>>play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
>>but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>>
Just food for thought, if portability is not an issue.
Have you considered a radial arm saw?
I had one set in the middle of a 16 ' workbench.
Not portable by any means, but much more versatile
than a compound miter.
Keep in mind that a miter saw only crosscuts.
A radial arm will do all that the miter will do
plus rip cuts. I could throw a 4 x 8 sheet of
plywood on the bench and rip it in half.
It' not in the workbench now, I've got it
on a makeshift stand in the living room of
my cabin.
http://www.mts.net/~lmlod/
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>
> We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>
> Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> in a sliding model.
>
> Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
>
> The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> need.
>
> Does anyone have experience with either unit?
>
> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
>
> I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
>
> Any information would be appreciated.
>
> Mike O.
try rec.woodworking
I have a Milwaukee and I love it. It is a 10" so there are times when
a 12" would be handy.
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:51:08 GMT, "David Babcock"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have an older model 12" Rigid, the one without the laser doohickey. I've
>cut 4x4 with it, and even some at an angle, but not to severe. I can tell
>you that it has worked and worked without any issues with me. Built a garage
>addition, three decks, and any number of home projects.
>Just make sure you get the 12" and not a 10" saw.
>
>Dave
>
>"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
>> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
>> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>>
>> We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
>> basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
>> basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
>> play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
>> but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>>
>> Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
>> there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
>> 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
>> in a sliding model.
>>
>> Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
>> either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
>>
>> The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
>> Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
>> as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
>> handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
>> on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
>> in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
>> might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
>> need.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with either unit?
>>
>> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
>> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
>> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
>>
>> I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
>> Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
>>
>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>
>> Mike O.
>
On 3 Dec 2003 10:44:18 -0800, [email protected] (Mike O.) wrote:
>I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
>weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
>projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>
>We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
>basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
>basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
>play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
>but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>
>Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
>there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
>4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
>in a sliding model.
Go with 12", you'll be glad you did. If you don't need a sliding
compound miter saw, you won't miss the extra weight of it. I've used
an older Rigid, and it was fairly decent, but bought a Dewalt when I
bought mine. I don't care for Ryobi, the tools are too light weight
for me.
Jeff
I have been very happy with my Ridgid 12" Miter saw I bought at
the Borg. I see them all the time on a special outside the tool
rental portion of the Borg for around $150 with the stand. I think
I paid $297 new for mine.
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Burr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > 1. Sliding miters are great you won't regret the purchase.
> > 2. Go with the 12" - I have a 10" and must cut 4x4s in 2
passes
> > 3. I have a Ryobi - it's been OK but the dust collection has
> > never fit or worked properly, poor design.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> Even with a "smaller" 10" sliding saw, $600 is way more than I
can afford
> (or justify)
>
>
"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
>
> We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
>
> Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> in a sliding model.
>
> Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
>
> The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> need.
>
> Does anyone have experience with either unit?
>
> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
>
> I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
>
> Any information would be appreciated.
>
> Mike O.
Forget Ridgid and Ryobi
buy a Hitachi sliding compound miter saw
you will be very pleased.
I have owned one for years and it is still running great after daily use.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
>
> "Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>
> > Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> > either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
> >
> > The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> > Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> > as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> > handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> > on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> > in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> > might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> > need.
> > Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> > the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> > Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
>
>
> I looked at those also, but bought a DeWalt. It will cut up to a 4 x 6 @
90
> degrees. I don't know about on an angle, but it can be done with two
cuts.
>
> > I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> > Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
>
> Ryobi is light weight. For most homeowners with occasional use, it is OK.
> For a contractor that uses the tools every day, it is not going to hold
up.
> The Ridgid is a bit better, but don't let the lifetime warranty lull you
> into a sense of security. It is for manufacturing defects only so normal
> wear is not covered. The DeWalt is about $300. Only you can determine if
> the better quality is worth the extra $.
> Ed
>
>
Thanks for the comments.
I looked at the Dewalt; it's about the same price as the Rigid, but it
doesn't look like it includes the clamp and stand. I realize I can add
those, but it's that much more cost.
As far as the Ryobi, I'm seeing more and more of the same type of comments
(light weight). As I said, I'm probably not going to be heavily using it
daily, but at the same time I want something that will hold up for a long
time.
-Mike O.
Thanks for the comments. I have to admit, the laser unit appeals to my
sense of "gadget", but I've seen a few comments that it's not all that
great (or at least difficult to get used to). Although it doesn't look like
the non-laser models are as easy to find anymore.
- Mike
"David Babcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:M8rzb.294581$ao4.1012838@attbi_s51...
> I have an older model 12" Rigid, the one without the laser doohickey. I've
> cut 4x4 with it, and even some at an angle, but not to severe. I can tell
> you that it has worked and worked without any issues with me. Built a
garage
> addition, three decks, and any number of home projects.
> Just make sure you get the 12" and not a 10" saw.
>
> Dave
>
> "Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> > weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> > projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> >
> > We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> > basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> > basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> > play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> > but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
> >
> > Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> > there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> > 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> > in a sliding model.
> >
> > Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> > either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
> >
> > The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> > Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> > as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> > handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> > on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> > in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> > might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> > need.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with either unit?
> >
> > Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> > the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> > Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
> >
> > I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> > Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
> >
> > Any information would be appreciated.
> >
> > Mike O.
>
>
>Thanks for the comments. I have to admit, the laser unit appeals to my
>sense of "gadget", but I've seen a few comments that it's not all that
>great (or at least difficult to get used to). Although it doesn't look like
>the non-laser models are as easy to find anymore.
i am in the same boat..... but after looking at alot of saws.... i am coming
to the realization that gimmicks are just that.... i am planning on a
hitachi...10 inch... it is going for about 140 around here.... no laser, but
does have a clamp system included. it is very tight...very little if any
appreciable lateral movement...something that is very desireable....
best of luck in your quest....
"3GCPO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> > weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> > projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> >
> > We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> > basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> > basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> > play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> > but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
> >
> > Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> > there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> > 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> > in a sliding model.
> >
> > Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> > either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
> >
> > The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> > Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> > as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> > handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> > on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> > in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> > might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> > need.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with either unit?
> >
> > Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> > the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> > Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
> >
> > I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> > Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
> >
> > Any information would be appreciated.
> >
> > Mike O.
>
>
> Forget Ridgid and Ryobi
>
> buy a Hitachi sliding compound miter saw
> you will be very pleased.
> I have owned one for years and it is still running great after daily use.
>
>
I just can't justify a $500+ for my needs.
"Jeff Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3 Dec 2003 10:44:18 -0800, [email protected] (Mike O.) wrote:
>
> >I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> >weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> >projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> >
> >We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> >basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> >basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> >play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> >but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
> >
> >Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> >there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> >4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> >in a sliding model.
>
> Go with 12", you'll be glad you did. If you don't need a sliding
> compound miter saw, you won't miss the extra weight of it. I've used
> an older Rigid, and it was fairly decent, but bought a Dewalt when I
> bought mine. I don't care for Ryobi, the tools are too light weight
> for me.
>
> Jeff
How does the Rigid compare with the Dewalt? They're both price about the
same at Home Depot, but it looks like Dewalt doesn't include a clamp or
stand.
- Mike
I was originally thinking about a 10", but the more I thought about what I
was going to do with it, the 12" sounds better.
"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have a Milwaukee and I love it. It is a 10" so there are times when
> a 12" would be handy.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:51:08 GMT, "David Babcock"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I have an older model 12" Rigid, the one without the laser doohickey.
I've
> >cut 4x4 with it, and even some at an angle, but not to severe. I can tell
> >you that it has worked and worked without any issues with me. Built a
garage
> >addition, three decks, and any number of home projects.
> >Just make sure you get the 12" and not a 10" saw.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >"Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> >> weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> >> projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> >>
> >> We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> >> basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> >> basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> >> play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> >> but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
> >>
> >> Most of the things I'd be using it for would be 2x6 or smaller, but
> >> there's been enough times I've worked on something larger (2x8 or
> >> 4x4), that I'm looking at the 12" models. I'm not really interested
> >> in a sliding model.
> >>
> >> Based on my expected usage, features, price, etc. I'm looking at
> >> either the Ryobi TS1551DXL or Rigid MS1250LZ from Home Depot.
> >>
> >> The first question I have whether both units will cut 4x4's? The
> >> Ryobi specs say it can, but from Rigid's site, it lists the capacity
> >> as 2x8. I would think pretty much any 12" miter saw would be able to
> >> handle it. The 10" Rigid model lists as working with 4x4's, but only
> >> on a 90 degree cut. There have been times I've needed an angled cut
> >> in a 4x4, and if I'm going to spend the money for a saw, I figure I
> >> might as well go for something that can handle anything I'm likely to
> >> need.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with either unit?
> >>
> >> Even though it costs more, I'm leaning toward the Rigid one based on
> >> the solid appearance of the unit, and it includes a floor stand.
> >> Also, they're offering a lifetime warranty if purchased by Dec 31.
> >>
> >> I have seen some negative comments on Ryobi quality, but I've had a
> >> Ryobi 10" drill press and have been happy with it.
> >>
> >> Any information would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Mike O.
> >
>
"Lorence M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ron wrote:
> > "Mike O." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> >>weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> >>projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> >>
> >>We recently moved into a 35 year old house, so we're looking done some
> >>basic remodling. Things like replacing baseboard, partially finishing
> >>basement, etc. Also, I'll probably be building a deck and/or wooden
> >>play set next spring. I did some of that stuff at our previous house,
> >>but I'm tired of using a hand held circular saw or handsaw/miter box.
> >>
> Just food for thought, if portability is not an issue.
>
> Have you considered a radial arm saw?
>
> I had one set in the middle of a 16 ' workbench.
> Not portable by any means, but much more versatile
> than a compound miter.
> Keep in mind that a miter saw only crosscuts.
> A radial arm will do all that the miter will do
> plus rip cuts. I could throw a 4 x 8 sheet of
> plywood on the bench and rip it in half.
>
> It' not in the workbench now, I've got it
> on a makeshift stand in the living room of
> my cabin.
>
> http://www.mts.net/~lmlod/
Portability isn't a major factor, but I already have a 10" table saw, an
additional saw to do ripping isn't a big need. Besides, $600 or $700 is way
out of my price range (and my needs).
"Michael Burr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 1. Sliding miters are great you won't regret the purchase.
> 2. Go with the 12" - I have a 10" and must cut 4x4s in 2 passes
> 3. I have a Ryobi - it's been OK but the dust collection has
> never fit or worked properly, poor design.
>
> Michael
>
Even with a "smaller" 10" sliding saw, $600 is way more than I can afford
(or justify)
"The Wolf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BBF49E45.479E0%[email protected]...
> On 12/03/2003 10:44 AM, in article
> [email protected], "Mike O."
> <[email protected]> opined:
>
> > I'm going to be purchasing a compound miter saw in the next several
> > weeks, and I'm looking for some information (this is just for use for
> > projects around the house, I'm not a contractor or anything).
> >
>
> Hitachi, they patented the dual rail system.
>
I'm not looking for a slider, too much $$ for my wallet & my needs.