David Babcock wrote:
> Remember chapter 11 allows the investors to dump
> unprofitable/underperforming stores, sell of old inventory at below cost. So
> my advice is save any $$$'s you get for Christmas and buy while the iron is
> hot.
>
> Dave
I thought they already did that years ago after they bombed with "Golf World".
We used to have 4 or 5 stores in my area. After the last shakeout they closed
all the company owned stores and only one franchised store remained.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
from their site:
"Woodworkers Warehouse, Inc.
has filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy and
will be holding a "Going Out of Business" sale in its stores."
I think it says it all....
--
Mike
"Joe" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
> I just attempted to connect to their website.............is it true, they
> filed chapter 11?
>
>
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message
>
> Our local stores have nothing to buy! <G>
>
> That's one of the problems.
>
> Barry
I've been to three different WW Warehouses. One is half the distance I drive
to get to Woodcraft.
Total purchases:
Woodcraft A few thousand $$$
WW Warehouse Maybe 50 bucks
By comparison, the WWW stores are dingy, poorly laid out, and most of the
workers are minimum age clerks that don't know what end of a hammer to use
to drive screws. There is not a big difference in prices, but it is just
the atmosphere that keeps me going back to Woodcraft. They know me by name,
are helpful, and actually use the tools they sell.
Ed
The Rochester Store (Henrietta) is not having an inventory sale, it is a
going out of business sale (nothing special just 10% across the board) clerk
said he was notified about 3:30 p.m. on Friday and that the closure was
chain wide (about 100 stores)
Tom
"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just attempted to connect to their website.............is it true, they
> filed chapter 11?
>
>
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote ...
> Woodcraft seems to have figured out that a well stocked store and a
> helpful staff = retail success. You can't sell what you don't have,
> if I have to order it, I might as well have it shipped to my home from
> a web vendor. The local WW Warehouses didn't have half as good a
> staff as Woodcraft, and ZERO good hand tools. Our local Woodcraft
> carries the entire Woodcraft catalog in addition to more finishing
> products, and the more desirable Veritas and Lee Valley items.
I gotta get off this friggin computer and get into the shop today (must be
the snowstorm)....
We had 2 Woodworker's Warehouse stores in my area and nobody else even
wanted to open a store here. I even went so far as to contact that guy from
Woodcraft franchise development and their answer was that no woodworkers
live where I live. Thus I have bought a total of $25 worth of stuff from
Woodcraft, period. And, I'll try anywhere else before them. Aside from
that brief rant, WWW sure didn't need Woodcraft to help them go out of
business here. They did it all by themselves, and if you ever visited
either of those stores, you would not wonder why. Everyone who entered came
out emptyhanded.
Epilogue: they finally opened a Woodcraft an hour from here in Delaware.
Maybe I'll finally have a look. Maybe. Till then, as always, Robin Lee -
you can have all my money!
--
Cheers,
Howard
----------------------------------------------------------
Working wood in New Jersey - [email protected]
Visit me in the woodshop - www.inthewoodshop.org
>
> "Woodworkers Warehouse, Inc.
> has filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy and
> will be holding a "Going Out of Business" sale in its stores."
>
Chapter 11 is reorganization. Presumably they are just clearing out some
old junk and closing a few of their worst stores. I wouldn't expect many
great bargains to come from their sale.
> By comparison, the WWW stores are dingy, poorly laid out, and most of the
> workers are minimum age clerks that don't know what end of a hammer to use
> to drive screws. There is not a big difference in prices, but it is just
> the atmosphere that keeps me going back to Woodcraft. They know me by
name,
> are helpful, and actually use the tools they sell.
Regarding the clerks in my local WWW, in general they are very knowledgeable
about tools and their use. They generally don't have any kids on the
payroll... tending towards the other end of the spectrum. There have been a
few exceptions over the years but they were rotated out as the store
manager's preference is to hire people with both knowledge of tools and
knowledge of how to use them.
One clerk was a tool and die maker having served a formal apprenticeship at
IBM. Another had a former life as a production manager in various
manufacturing environments--wood working to high tech. Two of the clerks
happen to belong to the same woodworking organization I do--Northeastern
Woodworkers Association. Over the years they have been quite accommodating
and have served my needs well--most of my stationary tools were purchased
from them including the table saw, 18" bandsaw, DJ20 jointer, shaper, etc.
With price matching and good service any perceived reasons to shop elsewhere
have evaporated in reality (like buying large tools from Amazon--Tool Crib
and having them come in smashed in shipping... twice for one of them). Sure
I end up mail ordering specialty items like LN saws and such but if WWW
folds the local store I'll miss them. Home Depot and Lowe's don't cut it and
the only other Delta and Jet dealers in the area are generally not stocking
dealers... displays or catalog only for stationary tools.
John
"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:oZlAb.10466$LV1.512@okepread05...
> Have you ever taken any classes at Manchester Woodcraft? I signed my
newbie
> ass up to their Wood Working 1 class. After reading about all of the
> accidents and near misses on the wreck I thought it would be prudent learn
> how to use these tools the proper way.
>
> Rich
Good class. The one I took we made a CD shelf from cherry. It was not a
big project, but you got to use many different tools and joining methods.
You cut a rabbet, dado, tenon, and glued up with clamp, dowels, etc.
Fitting was done with hand planes, finishing with scrapers.
I found it very informative. Some hands on, some informal class time.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Rich ...
<<The guy also
mentioned that the same company got into trouble because of another business
Gold World or something like that. I think it is too bad because the
competition is healthy. But hell, they never had good prices. Between wood
Craft and Coastal Tools I did not need to go there.>>
Besides Woodworkers Warehouse stores, the parent company (Trendlines) also
owned the chain of Golf Day stores which they closed down a couple of years
ago.
Lee
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To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"
We have (had) a store in our area and it might as well have been closed.
When you walk through the door it took five minutes for anyone to know you
were there. Usually one guy working alone, looking lost and confused. I
stopped going in.........but I'll be the first in line for the "Going out of
Business" sale.....oh yeah!
(Mumbling) Let's see, move this pile of junk, where the jointer will go.
Shove this out of the way for the new planner...........yeah.
Dave
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David Babcock wrote:
>
> > Remember chapter 11 allows the investors to dump
> > unprofitable/underperforming stores, sell of old inventory at below
cost. So
> > my advice is save any $$$'s you get for Christmas and buy while the iron
is
> > hot.
> >
> > Dave
>
> I thought they already did that years ago after they bombed with "Golf
World".
>
> We used to have 4 or 5 stores in my area. After the last shakeout they
closed
> all the company owned stores and only one franchised store remained.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
>
"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just attempted to connect to their website.............is it true, they
> filed chapter 11?
Woodworkers Warehouse, Inc.
has filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy and
will be holding a "Going Out of Business" sale in its stores.
--
© Jon Down ®
http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada
I was just in the local WWW in Rochester, NH this morning. I was
looking at a DeWalt biscuit joiner. I was in there last night and the
salesguy told me that they would match Amazon Tool Crib's price, $149
vs. $169 list on the shelf.
When I went in this morning to get it, there was a big sign on the front
door saying "All Sales Final" and the salesguy told me that as of last
night, they have been taken over by the liquidators, no more price
matching but 10% off everything in the store. I ended up buying the
jointer as I have a somewhat urgent use for it but I'm not thrilled
with the idea of laying out $150 plus for a tool I can't return if
there's a problem.
-JR
There are a lot of great Woodworking stores in New England, espec.
Connecticut. Unfortunately, here in New Jersey, espec. the town I live
in, they are/ were the best game in town. Bright, brand new store and
the two guys who were usually there when I went in were pretty
knowledgeable. Wouldn't go to Home Depot if I had to. Lowes is better,
but doesn't come close to WWW. Buying over the web is fine if you can
find a place to test the model out first.
Darn...and my Christmas present was supposed to be a new sliding dual
compound/ dual bevel mitre box.....sigh.
Hello Tool Crib....
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Mowgli" wrote in message
>
> > >Regarding the clerks in my local WWW, in general they are very
> knowledgeable
> > >about tools and their use. > snip
> >
> > I'm with you John.
> > I go to WWW in Framingham and they are tool users.
> > I have received good service there.
> > Good service & caring, friendly storekeepers need to be recognized.
>
> Like any chain, it will vary from store to store. I've found the Auburn
> store dreadful. It feels dark and dingy, but maybe they just can't afford
> to pay the electric bill.
>
> In the Norwich store, they did not have 400 grit sandpaper and were not
> getting any. I did buy some Marples blues that were on sale though.
>
> Last time I was in the Manchester Woodcraft store, one of the employees from
> the WWW across the street came in to buy something. When kidded about it he
> said "you have what I need, we don't."
>
> Ed
Thanks !! I'm looking forward to it.
"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:oZlAb.10466$LV1.512@okepread05...
> Have you ever taken any classes at Manchester Woodcraft? I signed my
newbie
> ass up to their Wood Working 1 class. After reading about all of the
> accidents and near misses on the wreck I thought it would be prudent learn
> how to use these tools the proper way.
>
> Rich
>
>
> "B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]>
wrote
> in message news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:09:14 -0500, "RKON" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >competition is healthy. But hell, they never had good prices. Between
> wood
> > >Craft and Coastal Tools I did not need to go there.
> >
> > Don't forget Tools-Plus in Waterbury, the only General dealer in CT.
> > They also have a lot of big iron, in some cases REALLY big iron,
> > assembled and available for fingering. <G> I've only been there
> > twice, but the folks who work there are pleasant to deal with.
> >
> > I don't mind paying a bit more for good help and service, which I get
> > at the Manchester Woodcraft. With Bob and the school right there,
> > they actually USE tools. <G> I have never gotten any kind of service
> > from WW Warehouse that kept me from seeking the lowest price.
> >
> > Barry
>
>
<<I know Woodcraft is killing them in Manchester, CT. The stores are
across the street from one another and I could see no good reason to
go to WW Warehouse. Competition from Tool Crib, Tools-Plus,
Utterguys, etc... on a price only basis, would put them in a tough
spot.>>
And Coastal Tool is just a few miles away on the other side of the river.
They almost always beat WW on price.
Lee
--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:51:22 -0500, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Have you ever taken any classes at Manchester Woodcraft?
Yup, and I've really enjoyed it.
Barry
"Mowgli" wrote in message
> >Regarding the clerks in my local WWW, in general they are very
knowledgeable
> >about tools and their use. > snip
>
> I'm with you John.
> I go to WWW in Framingham and they are tool users.
> I have received good service there.
> Good service & caring, friendly storekeepers need to be recognized.
Like any chain, it will vary from store to store. I've found the Auburn
store dreadful. It feels dark and dingy, but maybe they just can't afford
to pay the electric bill.
In the Norwich store, they did not have 400 grit sandpaper and were not
getting any. I did buy some Marples blues that were on sale though.
Last time I was in the Manchester Woodcraft store, one of the employees from
the WWW across the street came in to buy something. When kidded about it he
said "you have what I need, we don't."
Ed
I was at the Manchester Wood Craft this afternoon ordering my new Delta
Planer ( what a great deal) and I had commented to the guy how busy it was.
Another gentleman in line commented that Wood Workers Warehouse had closed
the doors across the street. Appaently WWW Inc owes Delta $20 Mil. as well
as others and could not keep up with inventory and such. The guy also
mentioned that the same company got into trouble because of another business
Gold World or something like that. I think it is too bad because the
competition is healthy. But hell, they never had good prices. Between wood
Craft and Coastal Tools I did not need to go there.
Rich
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:12:52 GMT, "Joe" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I just attempted to connect to their website.............is it true, they
> >filed chapter 11?
> >
>
> From their site:
>
> "Woodworkers Warehouse, Inc.
> has filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy and
> will be holding a "Going Out of Business" sale in its stores."
>
> I know Woodcraft is killing them in Manchester, CT. The stores are
> across the street from one another and I could see no good reason to
> go to WW Warehouse. Competition from Tool Crib, Tools-Plus,
> Utterguys, etc... on a price only basis, would put them in a tough
> spot.
>
> Woodcraft seems to have figured out that a well stocked store and a
> helpful staff = retail success. You can't sell what you don't have,
> if I have to order it, I might as well have it shipped to my home from
> a web vendor. The local WW Warehouses didn't have half as good a
> staff as Woodcraft, and ZERO good hand tools. Our local Woodcraft
> carries the entire Woodcraft catalog in addition to more finishing
> products, and the more desirable Veritas and Lee Valley items.
>
> Barry
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:09:14 -0500, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>competition is healthy. But hell, they never had good prices. Between wood
>Craft and Coastal Tools I did not need to go there.
Don't forget Tools-Plus in Waterbury, the only General dealer in CT.
They also have a lot of big iron, in some cases REALLY big iron,
assembled and available for fingering. <G> I've only been there
twice, but the folks who work there are pleasant to deal with.
I don't mind paying a bit more for good help and service, which I get
at the Manchester Woodcraft. With Bob and the school right there,
they actually USE tools. <G> I have never gotten any kind of service
from WW Warehouse that kept me from seeking the lowest price.
Barry
Have you ever taken any classes at Manchester Woodcraft? I signed my newbie
ass up to their Wood Working 1 class. After reading about all of the
accidents and near misses on the wreck I thought it would be prudent learn
how to use these tools the proper way.
Rich
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:09:14 -0500, "RKON" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >competition is healthy. But hell, they never had good prices. Between
wood
> >Craft and Coastal Tools I did not need to go there.
>
> Don't forget Tools-Plus in Waterbury, the only General dealer in CT.
> They also have a lot of big iron, in some cases REALLY big iron,
> assembled and available for fingering. <G> I've only been there
> twice, but the folks who work there are pleasant to deal with.
>
> I don't mind paying a bit more for good help and service, which I get
> at the Manchester Woodcraft. With Bob and the school right there,
> they actually USE tools. <G> I have never gotten any kind of service
> from WW Warehouse that kept me from seeking the lowest price.
>
> Barry
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:53:00 -0800, "Howard Ruttan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I even went so far as to contact that guy from
>Woodcraft franchise development and their answer was that no woodworkers
>live where I live.
The Manchester store does so well I _really_ wish I had a piece of it.
<G>
The attached school draws such talent as Mario Roderiguez <sp?>,
Garrett Hack, Terry Masrachi <sp?>, and folks from North Bennett St.
School as guest instructors.
Barry
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:23:44 -0500, John Grossbohlin's fingers viciously
stabbed at an innocent keyboard to form the now famous if slightly awkward
haiku:
>> By comparison, the WWW stores are dingy, poorly laid out, and most of the
>> workers are minimum age clerks that don't know what end of a hammer to use
>> to drive screws. There is not a big difference in prices, but it is just
>> the atmosphere that keeps me going back to Woodcraft. They know me by
>name,
>> are helpful, and actually use the tools they sell.
>
>Regarding the clerks in my local WWW, in general they are very knowledgeable
>about tools and their use. They generally don't have any kids on the
>payroll... tending towards the other end of the spectrum. There have been a
>few exceptions over the years but they were rotated out as the store
>manager's preference is to hire people with both knowledge of tools and
>knowledge of how to use them.
snip
I'm with you John.
I go to WWW in Framingham and they are tool users.
I have received good service there. When I had to return some jointer knives
I had mistakenly bought I had lost the receipt. The clerk at first said I
could only have store credit by policy because my info wasn't in the system.
While I was browsing he was snooping. He found my info at an address from
10+ years ago and was able to credit my card back. Service with a smile.
When I get good service somewhere I always pass it on. It's too often that
people only take the time to complain, not to praise.
Good service & caring, friendly storekeepers need to be recognized.
>With price matching and good service any perceived reasons to shop elsewhere
>have evaporated in reality (like buying large tools from Amazon--Tool Crib
>and having them come in smashed in shipping... twice for one of them). Sure
>I end up mail ordering specialty items like LN saws and such but if WWW
>folds the local store I'll miss them. Home Depot and Lowe's don't cut it and
>the only other Delta and Jet dealers in the area are generally not stocking
>dealers... displays or catalog only for stationary tools.
>
>John
>
Here's a copy/paste from a thread a while beck. I responded too late I guess
because no one has added to the thread since.
"On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:32:41 -0500, Scott Brownell's fingers viciously
stabbed at an innocent keyboard to form the now famous if slightly awkward
haiku:
>Tom Crist wrote:
>>
>> some good stuff
I read thru this whole thread and haven't seen anyone mention that
woodworkers whorehouse matches Amazon.com and I don't know who else.
Yes they do :))
I got the Bosch multi-base router set from them for too much money because I
asked the guy about price matching and he said "print the ad from amazon and
bring it in. We'll match their deal" COOL.
I went home and saw Azon had Bosch on sale + a $40 bonus jig included.
I originally paid WWW $260 for just the router set.
I walked out of there with a $50 refund and a free $40 jig.
Ain't life grand when you ask the right questions?!?!
just my 12cents (inflation)
Mowgli"
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:04:43 GMT, "David Babcock"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Remember chapter 11 allows the investors to dump
>unprofitable/underperforming stores, sell of old inventory at below cost. So
>my advice is save any $$$'s you get for Christmas and buy while the iron is
>hot.
Our local stores have nothing to buy! <G>
That's one of the problems.
Barry
Remember chapter 11 allows the investors to dump
unprofitable/underperforming stores, sell of old inventory at below cost. So
my advice is save any $$$'s you get for Christmas and buy while the iron is
hot.
Dave
"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just attempted to connect to their website.............is it true, they
> filed chapter 11?
>
>
>Remember chapter 11 allows the investors to dump
>unprofitable/underperforming stores, sell of old inventory at below cost.
Well, partly true. I'm an insolvency lawyer, and kept an eye on this company
for a little bit. WWW is privately held, was itself a product of the Trendlines
chapter 11 filing of a couple of years ago (when the company dumped its golf
stores). In a chapter 11 reorg, the company can indeed reject leases for lousy
stores, but frankly any business can sell inventory for below cost. What is
going to happen here is one of three things: either the company has a plan to
skinny itself down to best stores (and has convinced its lenders to finance the
company post confirmation of its plan of reorganization; or the secured
creditors feel they can best recover their debt through a sale of the company's
best locations and assets (including inventory), which will be sold free of all
creditor's liens via a bankruptcy court supervised auction (known in the trade
as a Section 363 sale) and the rest liquidated, or if a 363 buyer cannot be
found at a price higher than the secured creditor's view of the liquidation
value of the assets, the case will be converted to a chapter 7 liquidation.
Inventory is generally liened up by secured creditors, and since some of this
stuff is pretty good inventory, the good stuff is going to be skimmed off by
wholesale concerns, so don't start having dreams of getting a unisaw for $500.
Its possible the existing management might have lined up some financing for a
smaller company and will put together a group to buy the cherry store locations
and inventory. If not, then its liquidation. I will check the online docket
monday and see what is going on in Bankruptcy Court and let everyone know.
rrniemiec responds:
>Well, partly true. I'm an insolvency lawyer, and kept an eye on this company
>for a little bit. WWW is privately held, was itself a product of the
>Trendlines
>chapter 11 filing of a couple of years ago (when the company dumped its golf
>stores).
snip of accurate stuff
> If not, then its liquidation. I will check the online docket
>monday and see what is going on in Bankruptcy Court and let everyone know.
Man, oh man. You are really lousing up some juicy speculation. Facts always
cause problems in such cases.
Charlie Self
"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who
believe it." George Carlin
Charlie...are you a cynic???
...just wondered...<G>
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> rrniemiec responds:
>
> >Well, partly true. I'm an insolvency lawyer, and kept an eye on this
company
> >for a little bit. WWW is privately held, was itself a product of the
> >Trendlines
> >chapter 11 filing of a couple of years ago (when the company dumped its
golf
> >stores).
>
> snip of accurate stuff
>
> > If not, then its liquidation. I will check the online docket
> >monday and see what is going on in Bankruptcy Court and let everyone
know.
>
> Man, oh man. You are really lousing up some juicy speculation. Facts
always
> cause problems in such cases.
>
> Charlie Self
>
> "I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people
who
> believe it." George Carlin
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:12:52 GMT, "Joe" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I just attempted to connect to their website.............is it true, they
>filed chapter 11?
>
From their site:
"Woodworkers Warehouse, Inc.
has filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy and
will be holding a "Going Out of Business" sale in its stores."
I know Woodcraft is killing them in Manchester, CT. The stores are
across the street from one another and I could see no good reason to
go to WW Warehouse. Competition from Tool Crib, Tools-Plus,
Utterguys, etc... on a price only basis, would put them in a tough
spot.
Woodcraft seems to have figured out that a well stocked store and a
helpful staff = retail success. You can't sell what you don't have,
if I have to order it, I might as well have it shipped to my home from
a web vendor. The local WW Warehouses didn't have half as good a
staff as Woodcraft, and ZERO good hand tools. Our local Woodcraft
carries the entire Woodcraft catalog in addition to more finishing
products, and the more desirable Veritas and Lee Valley items.
Barry