I have an enclosed back patio at the house. It is 35' X 12' I was thinking
of putting up a wall directly out from the back door about 10 feet deep.
This way you exit the house into a smaller patio, the go out another door to
get into the backyard. What this leaves me then behind the wall is an area
12' X 25'. The 25' doesn't seem to bad, but only 12' wide I was wondering if
it's feasible. Basically I have a table saw, 6" jointer, 12" planer on
stand, router table and band saw for large items among tons of various
smaller tools. I can't seem to come up with a configuration that will allow
the TS enough space. Presently the TS stays outside, covered on a mobile
base, and I may have to keep it there. Anybody else have a narrow area that
they us for a shop and is it enough?
Thanks,
Todd L
My shop is 12x26 and although it is tight at times it works well for me. I
have a table saw, drum sander, planer, drill press, scroll saw, spindle
sander, lathe, and band saw with a large (3'x5') workbench. It was only
12'x16' until last spring when I added 10' to the front.
All of my tools are on mobile bases so that helps.
--
John Voss
Prescott Valley, AZ
Bri, nice layout, I like it, thanks.
Todd L
"Bri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You can see pretty well everything in the photo.
> Size is 12 X 20. Everything on wheels which is the key. Behind the
> planer on the right is the jointer.
> The bench is 3' X 6'. I might make the new one a little narrower.
> Hope this helps.
> http://www.woodshopphotos.com/albums/album52/107_0764_IMG.jpg
>
>
>
> "Todd L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I have an enclosed back patio at the house. It is 35' X 12' I was
thinking
> > of putting up a wall directly out from the back door about 10 feet deep.
> > This way you exit the house into a smaller patio, the go out another
door to
> > get into the backyard. What this leaves me then behind the wall is an
area
> > 12' X 25'. The 25' doesn't seem to bad, but only 12' wide I was
wondering if
> > it's feasible. Basically I have a table saw, 6" jointer, 12" planer on
> > stand, router table and band saw for large items among tons of various
> > smaller tools. I can't seem to come up with a configuration that will
allow
> > the TS enough space. Presently the TS stays outside, covered on a mobile
> > base, and I may have to keep it there. Anybody else have a narrow area
that
> > they us for a shop and is it enough?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd L
Todd L wrote:
>This is what I am afraid of.........
I disagree. OK, let me restate that. With my shop I'm able
to have my machines at one end and my assembly area at the
other.
Now, width, especially a very narrow shop, that would/could
factor into the "tunnelness" but I think you just need to
lay it out and make it work.
UA100
> I built a 12x24 shop and expanded it to 18x24 after a few years. It
seemed
> like working in a tunnel. Long narrow shops do not seem to "work".
> Dave
This is what I am afraid of.........
Todd L
"Dave W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
"Bri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You can see pretty well everything in the photo.
> Size is 12 X 20. Everything on wheels which is the key. Behind the
> planer on the right is the jointer.
> The bench is 3' X 6'. I might make the new one a little narrower.
> Hope this helps.
> http://www.woodshopphotos.com/albums/album52/107_0764_IMG.jpg
That's not a shop. You can see the floor and it's clean.
Jon E
Mine is a basement shop 25' x 25' but there are 2 support posts down the
center effectively cutting it in half for large work. I have a below grade
outside door which with another strong back I can just get a 4x8 sheet of
plywood in, the corners usually get dinged slightly but I have to live with
that. I have tablesaw, 6" jointer, router table, workbench, thickness
planer, scroll saw and another bench which holds my drill press and grinder.
Also have 12 inch wide lumber racks on 2 walls. I could close in the
carport and get more space but then I would have to heat it in the winter.
Since the basement is already heated I figure for what it would cost me to
close in the carport I can buy lots of wood and more tools.
Rick
"Todd L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I have an enclosed back patio at the house. It is 35' X 12' I was thinking
> of putting up a wall directly out from the back door about 10 feet deep.
> This way you exit the house into a smaller patio, the go out another door
to
> get into the backyard. What this leaves me then behind the wall is an area
> 12' X 25'. The 25' doesn't seem to bad, but only 12' wide I was wondering
if
> it's feasible. Basically I have a table saw, 6" jointer, 12" planer on
> stand, router table and band saw for large items among tons of various
> smaller tools. I can't seem to come up with a configuration that will
allow
> the TS enough space. Presently the TS stays outside, covered on a mobile
> base, and I may have to keep it there. Anybody else have a narrow area
that
> they us for a shop and is it enough?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd L
>
>
I have a similar shape (14'ish X 42'ish at the most narrow
part). I ended up putting the side table of my saw (right
hand extension) against a wall and it hasn't moved from
there.
There really isn't a need to be able to waltz around your
saw. OK, it does limit the length of a cross cut with a
sled, but so far I'v not needed it.
UA100, who does have a chop box and a circle saw so maybe
X-cutting longer pieces isn't a big deal...
my recent shops (in the order I had them)
15 years ago:
1 car garage. Bench iin the middle, tools on rollers on walls. Pull out
tools as needed. OK workjing conditions, but spent a lot of time moving
tools in and out. cieling open to rafters (nice)
5 years ago:
35'x45' barn, with a lally column (or 12'x12' support column) every 10'
more or less. 7.5' cieling.
Nice to not have to move the tools around, but the columns and low cieling
really suck. Impossible to work sheet goods other than laying them on the
floor (or sawhorses) and using a skill saw. Can't easily move boards around
without hitting the cieling. Workable, but I liked the garage better (other
than the fact that I had something resembling heat in the barn, and nothing
but a jet heater in the garage). The constant dust and dirt (it was a couple
hundred years old) made finishing a (bigger) drag.
Now:
40x50 clearspan shop, 10' cieling, DC, real heat. separate dedicated
finishing room. I'm in the process of setting it up, but so far its great.
I'm building the cabinets, built in benches, etc, and its nice. I have the
tools more or less positioned where they will end up, and the workflow is
good. On the occasion when I have to do something odd, its a long walk to
some of the tools, but when I do normal workflow (rough stock dimensioning,
surfacing, final dimensioning, joinery, finish/assembly) there aren't any
long walks....
My opinion is that bigger is better *if* its set up right. If I had to carry
stock across the shop tog et from one step to the next, it'd suck. Right now
its pretty much set up so that the outfeed stack from one machine is the
infeed stack for the next, so there's not much carrying or moving.
YMMV...
--JD
My shop 25x20 Less a staircase (11x3, down). The stair case space is not a
complete waste as the knee wall is intentionally *not* code (slightly below
machine height) to that infeed and outfeed can take place above the stairs.
I have a "cathedral" ceiling 6'4" on the edges 9'5"? in the middle. This
gets me to the magic ">8'" in most of the working area so that manipulating
sheet stock is not a problem.
Lanes lanes lanes!
You need to "isles" for walking between machines and "lanes" for infeed and
outfeed of stock. With the table saw in the center, that gives me and "isle"
on either side. The center of the shop functions as the tablesaw "ripping"
lane. The north wall has a lane shared by the jointer and planer. The south
wall has the chop saw and drill press.
Lanes can be stacked vertically too. My dad had a scroll saw and chop saw
offset, but essentially stacked to create one lane above another.
With 10 or 12 feet of width, you can only have 2 lanes (unless you count
stacking) and one isle in the middle. Lay out your shop with infeed and
outfeed lanes shared by tools as best you can.
I turned my table saw at and angle so that I could have >10' of infeed w/o
centering the saw on the long axis of the shop. Also, I did not want any
potential kickback aimed at the picture window above the stairwell :-)
-Steve
"Todd L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I have an enclosed back patio at the house. It is 35' X 12' I was thinking
> of putting up a wall directly out from the back door about 10 feet deep.
> This way you exit the house into a smaller patio, the go out another door
to
> get into the backyard. What this leaves me then behind the wall is an area
> 12' X 25'. The 25' doesn't seem to bad, but only 12' wide I was wondering
if
> it's feasible. Basically I have a table saw, 6" jointer, 12" planer on
> stand, router table and band saw for large items among tons of various
> smaller tools. I can't seem to come up with a configuration that will
allow
> the TS enough space. Presently the TS stays outside, covered on a mobile
> base, and I may have to keep it there. Anybody else have a narrow area
that
> they us for a shop and is it enough?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd L
>
>
You can see pretty well everything in the photo.
Size is 12 X 20. Everything on wheels which is the key. Behind the
planer on the right is the jointer.
The bench is 3' X 6'. I might make the new one a little narrower.
Hope this helps.
http://www.woodshopphotos.com/albums/album52/107_0764_IMG.jpg
"Todd L" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have an enclosed back patio at the house. It is 35' X 12' I was thinking
> of putting up a wall directly out from the back door about 10 feet deep.
> This way you exit the house into a smaller patio, the go out another door to
> get into the backyard. What this leaves me then behind the wall is an area
> 12' X 25'. The 25' doesn't seem to bad, but only 12' wide I was wondering if
> it's feasible. Basically I have a table saw, 6" jointer, 12" planer on
> stand, router table and band saw for large items among tons of various
> smaller tools. I can't seem to come up with a configuration that will allow
> the TS enough space. Presently the TS stays outside, covered on a mobile
> base, and I may have to keep it there. Anybody else have a narrow area that
> they us for a shop and is it enough?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd L
On Thu, 20 May 2004 06:19:03 -0700, Bri wrote:
> You can see pretty well everything in the photo.
> Size is 12 X 20. Everything on wheels which is the key. Behind the
> planer on the right is the jointer.
> The bench is 3' X 6'. I might make the new one a little narrower.
> Hope this helps.
> http://www.woodshopphotos.com/albums/album52/107_0764_IMG.jpg
>
Excellent, thanks for the photo. I'm just finishing constructing my shop
in the backyard. It's 12x16 and I was a little concerned with how tight
it would feel (the layout looks okay on paper). I was going to make it
16x24 but I ran into permitting issues (the permit guys don't have a
classification for shop/shed so it was going to require features to pass a
house inspection. No, I didn't feel like pouring a foundation wall). So
instead I made it 4 sqft beneath permit requirements. Later on I'll pull
a wall and make it 12x32.
Pictures if anyone cares: http://www.armour.cx/walt/shoppics.html
walt
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Todd L wrote:
> >This is what I am afraid of.........
>
>
> I disagree. OK, let me restate that. With my shop I'm able
> to have my machines at one end and my assembly area at the
> other.
>
> Now, width, especially a very narrow shop, that would/could
> factor into the "tunnelness" but I think you just need to
> lay it out and make it work.
Sometimes, but when you just have way too much crap crammed in there, ain't
no space, nohow, gonna work properly. Mine is currently an 'L', 16 x 24 on
the long sides of the L and 12 x 6 on the short sides. I can't even move
around in there.
New shop will be a bit bigger, maybe 24 x 32, with 10-12' celings and a
lumber 'loft'. I will have to sacrifice 12 x 20 of it for temporary evening
car storage.
Jon E
"Todd L" <[email protected]> writes:
[...]
> base, and I may have to keep it there. Anybody else have a narrow area that
> they us for a shop and is it enough?
I have a 2.5m by 3.5m cellar (yes, thats 8 by 11 feet only...), with
one wall taken by a row of kitchen cabinets (oven and drain not
connected to anything, the sink just emties into a bucket so that i
can use it as a sharpening station) and a wall-mounted workbench on
the other side. Only hand tools used there.
Wood is stored in the garage next to the car, if someting larger is
needed the car has to go out or it has to be dine weather...
--
Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe
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Wed, May 19, 2004, 2:06pm (EDT+6) [email protected]
(Juergen=A0Hannappel) says:
I have a 2.5m by 3.5m cellar (yes, thats 8 by 11 feet only...) <snip>
Nyah, nyah, nyah. I've got a bigger shop than you have. Mines 8
feet by 12 feed. LMAO
Except the younger son has about 3 feet of that taken up by junk of
his.
Still, it's what I've got, and all I'm likely to get, so not
complaining. It holds my bench saw, on a stand; 39" wood lathe, on a
stand; 12" planer, on a stand; and bandsaw, router table, drill press,
and scrollsaw, on shelves, on each side. Myriad tools hang from the
walls and rafters. Foot wide shelves, 8 feet long, on each side. One
wood storage rack, attached to the rafters, in the back corner, another
will go up in the future. The air compressor will wind up on a small
stand suspended from the rafters, in the front. One folding chair,
plastic bucket for trash, plastic bucket for old screws, bolts, nuts,
etc., plastic basket for small wood pieces. Sorta narrow "workbench",
about 4 feet long at the back. Paint/finishing stand goes under the
workbench. Things need to get shuffled at times, but still usually wind
up with a work/standing space about 4 feet by 5 feet. No prob.
I recently made a neat, 3 shelf, work stand, to use in the house.
Because I usually do glue-ups in the house. Have to in the winter, and
it's just plain handy. So the stand. I posted some pictures of it
awhile back - they're gone now. It's working out great, but I'm still
modifiying it a bit, to hold a roll of wax paper, my rolls of plastic I
use for patterns, and maybe a few more mods. Added wheels a few days
ago. I won't move it around much, but loaded it's gotten too heavy to
handily lift and move, so the wheels. Racks to hold clamps, and holds
two glue jigs. Having that in the house, instead of the shop, frees up
a pretty fair bit of space, and beats having to go back to the shop to
do the next stage of a glue-up.
I only stopped in today to see what was going on. This was the
only half-way interesting thread.
JOAT
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