Reconditioned Tools

On Aug 25, 8:56=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have no reason to post this link other than to pass on a site that I fo=
und
> several months ago and thought you may be interested.
>
> If you have not heard of the company, CPO outlets, they sell reconditions
> tools at pretty reasonable prices. =A0They do offer 32 major brand name t=
ools
> however one of the brands appears to only be sold as new, Festool.
>
> You might want to poke around if you are interested in reconditioned over
> brand new.
>
> I noticed that they have pretty reasonable pricing on Fein blades when
> purchased in 10 packs.
>
> http://www.cpooutlets.com/shop.html?ref=3Dnl20090825SHOPALL

After reading your post, I went to their site. I recently had my PC
890 series router quit and I have looked for an additional one while I
get the original one fixed. CPO had a reconditioned router for the
same price as a new one at Home Depot. Caveat emptor!

Bill Leonhardt

[email protected] wrote:
> On Aug 25, 7:56 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you have not heard of the company, CPO outlets, they sell
>> reconditions tools at pretty reasonable prices. They do offer 32
>> major brand name tools however one of the brands appears to only be
>> sold as new, Festool.
>
> I bought a 1/2 sheet Bosch sander from them about two years ago and
> they were great. It wasn't a refurb, but a closeout due to it being
> discontinued.
>
> The sander has good dust collection, but that came by having the owner
> punch the holes in the paper on a template that was sold separately.
>
> This was a brand new sander, and I was surprised that was considered a
> $14.95 accessory. So was the lady I talked to.
>
> She went back and talked to her boss, and he said since they had 3
> sanders left and five or six templates if I would order the sander
> right then he would give me one. That made it easy!
>
> Just wondering here, Leon. I know you are a fan of the Festool line,
> but also a savvy guy. Do you think Festool keeps their refurbs (if
> they actually do refurb) out of the public hands? Certain brands over
> the years have destroyed tools or dismantled them for factory repair
> parts rather than put a cheaper machine on the market.
>
> 10,000 years ago when I was buying pneumatic nailers (OK, late 70s)
> Spotnails made a dandy nailer that was only sold as new. Spotnails
> only sold repair parts to their dealer, and any defective guns were
> exchanged or repaired. Broken guns that were turned in that couldn't
> be repaired were kept at the dealer in exchange for a credit for a new
> gun.
>
> This was a very efficient way to control the market. Everyone paid
> full price for the Spotnails products. (BTW, Duofast did the same
> thing.)
>
> Just wondering. While I have never heard of anyone being unhappy with
> their Festool purchases, as much as they sell you know there has to be
> at least a return or two now and again. My WoodCraft guy tells me
> that any returned items (even if the customer just didn't like them)
> are repurchased by Festool so no "slightly used" even his the shelves.
>

Heh!

In the early days of the National Cash Register company (~1900), a salesman
would walk into a bar and try to sell the owner a $100 National Cash
machine. "No," the owner would say, "I'm thinking of an 'Acme' machine. It's
only $20".

The National Cash guy would leave and report back to HQ.

A couple of days later, another NCR salesman would show up, disguised as an
Acme Cash Register salesman, and sell the bar owner a brand new Acme Cash
Register for $20. Unbeknownst to the owner, THIS "Acme" machine was actually
made at the NCR factory and its internal parts were made of wood and
cardboard.

A week later the original NCR salesman would return and ask how that new
Acme machine was working out. After hearing cuss words never before uttered
on the planet, the NCR guy would offer to take the Acme machine in trade and
credit the owner with $10 toward purchase of a new NCR machine.

As to the point you raised. NCR would often take in REAL Acme machines in
trade which they would warehouse. If anybody, anwhere, tried to open a used
cash register shop, NCR would open a shop next door, stock it with these
traded-in machines, and undersell the budding entrepreneur until they drove
him out of business.

Ah, those were the days.

<[email protected]> wrote in message

Just wondering here, Leon. I know you are a fan of the Festool line,
but also a savvy guy. Do you think Festool keeps their refurbs (if
they actually do refurb) out of the public hands? Certain brands over
the years have destroyed tools or dismantled them for factory repair
parts rather than put a cheaper machine on the market.


***************************************************************

Festool may well do that to keep the brand high priced. Fact is, most
reconditioned tools are brand new with a box that says reconditioned on it.
They come down the same assembly line and are sold cheaper. Why? If the
company sold their new stuff to "factory outlets" to sell cheap, they would
piss ff the regular retailers. So, the put them in the box, stamp
"reconditioned" maybe reduce the factory warranty a bit and everyone is
happy.

I've also seen appliances coming down the line, same deal. Same air
conditioner, six different brand names, six different prices. Assembled by
the same people from the same parts.

On Aug 25, 7:56=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you have not heard of the company, CPO outlets, they sell reconditions
> tools at pretty reasonable prices. =A0They do offer 32 major brand name t=
ools
> however one of the brands appears to only be sold as new, Festool.

I bought a 1/2 sheet Bosch sander from them about two years ago and
they were great. It wasn't a refurb, but a closeout due to it being
discontinued.

The sander has good dust collection, but that came by having the owner
punch the holes in the paper on a template that was sold separately.

This was a brand new sander, and I was surprised that was considered a
$14.95 accessory. So was the lady I talked to.

She went back and talked to her boss, and he said since they had 3
sanders left and five or six templates if I would order the sander
right then he would give me one. That made it easy!

Just wondering here, Leon. I know you are a fan of the Festool line,
but also a savvy guy. Do you think Festool keeps their refurbs (if
they actually do refurb) out of the public hands? Certain brands over
the years have destroyed tools or dismantled them for factory repair
parts rather than put a cheaper machine on the market.

10,000 years ago when I was buying pneumatic nailers (OK, late 70s)
Spotnails made a dandy nailer that was only sold as new. Spotnails
only sold repair parts to their dealer, and any defective guns were
exchanged or repaired. Broken guns that were turned in that couldn't
be repaired were kept at the dealer in exchange for a credit for a new
gun.

This was a very efficient way to control the market. Everyone paid
full price for the Spotnails products. (BTW, Duofast did the same
thing.)

Just wondering. While I have never heard of anyone being unhappy with
their Festool purchases, as much as they sell you know there has to be
at least a return or two now and again. My WoodCraft guy tells me
that any returned items (even if the customer just didn't like them)
are repurchased by Festool so no "slightly used" even his the shelves.

Your thoughts?

Anyone?

Robert

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Aug 25, 7:56 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
Snip


Just wondering here, Leon. I know you are a fan of the Festool line,
but also a savvy guy. Do you think Festool keeps their refurbs (if
they actually do refurb) out of the public hands? Certain brands over
the years have destroyed tools or dismantled them for factory repair
parts rather than put a cheaper machine on the market.

I really do not know what they do with returns and or repaired tools. IIRC
Festool has a 30 day return policy so there muct be some returns. My Domino
has a slight problem in the beginning, The indexing pin eccentric could not
be adjusted. Festool sent me a complete new bottom fence assembly, oddly it
was poorly packed and came in damaged. At that point Festool requested that
I send it all back to them and they did the replacement of the fence unit
and tweaked all the adjustments. This was shortly after they appeared here
in the US. I have had no problems with any of the other 3 Festool tools
that I have purchased. On recent Domino's I have noticed that the indexing
pins have been replaced with what appears to be indexing tabs.
There may be a reconditioned outlet but I don't know of one, if they do it
may be at the Festool repair facility sorta like Compaq and Dell had several
years ago. Dell sells referbs through the internet now.

With the higher prices, I suspect that they can afford to toss one rather
than remarket it as a refurb as you suggested. Perhaps they get marketed as
refurbs to 3rd world countries.

On 2009-08-25, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

> The sander has good dust collection, but that came by having the owner
> punch the holes in the paper on a template that was sold separately.

DeWalt includes the template punch.