How to quickly clean rusty tables (w/pics)

"mac davis" wrote

> Fred.. do you then strip the wd-40 and use topcoat or something like
that?
>
> I'd try it but I'm worried about the wd-40 transferring to the wood
I'm
> cutting..

SFWIW, I've use WD40 with a ROS with 100/150 grit to clean C/I
surfaces.

When finished sanding, wipe down with paper towel, then wax.

No problems yet.

YMMV

Lew

"mac davis" wrote:

> wow.. sounds great... you don't need to wipe it down with mineral spirits
> or
> anything, just buff the wd-40?

Yep.

> Do you think topcoat work over the wd-40 or do you think remaining
> solvents in
> the wd-40 will effect it?

Don't have a clue, but WD40 & Johnsons wax seem to get along.

Lew

"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:02:42 -0800 (PST), Ferd Farkel <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>problems.
>
> I used to use wax until I moved to Baja.. the humidity rusted it right
> through 3
> coats of Johnson's wax..

MD:

I get to Baja when I can and have wondered about the expatriate experience.
If it is not too much trouble, what is your level of satisfaction and what
general
or area comments do you have?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Bonehenge (B A R R Y) wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:22:43 -0700, Doug Winterburn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>beds. The drive went just fine until we were 7 miles from the border. We
>>were almost to the last toll booth in TJ when we were pulled over by
>>“the police”. As soon as we stopped another car stopped in front of the
>>truck and trailer blocking our path. At the same time this was happening
>>the truck (our 2007 super duty and McMillin’s Weekend Warrior) were
>>surrounded by men with guns, their faces covered. They stuck a gun to
>>Chris’ head and pulled him out of the truck.
>
> I remember hearing about NASCAR using armed security teams to escort
> the Busch Series trucks in and out of Mexico, as well as some drivers
> refusing to go.

Thought Mexico took a very dim view of anybody being armed other than the
police, federalis, and drug trafficers.


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:12:29 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>MD:
>>
>>I get to Baja when I can and have wondered about the expatriate
>>experience.
>>If it is not too much trouble, what is your level of satisfaction and what
>>general or area comments do you have?
>>
>>Thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Edward Hennessey
>>
> Well Ed, we've been here in San Felipe, about 100 miles south of the
> Calif.
> border, for a little over a year..
> After about 2 months, I developed a bad case of rectal glaucoma...
> I just can't see my ass ever living in the States again..
>
> At first we were a little scared of moving, since we heard all of the
> horror
> stories... but a bit of research showed that about 80% of the problems
> were in
> the border towns and most of them on mainland MX, not Baja..
> It's turkey day and I'm working in the shop in shorts and t-shirt, with
> all the
> windows open... NO MORE FRIGGIN' WINTER...
>
> Some things here require a learning curve, especially developing patience,
> if
> you're a type-A person... Things get done here when they get done, and if
> you
> get upset about it, nobody else does, so it's pretty useless... you just
> have to
> go with the flow, figuring that "it's their country and I'm a guest"...
>
> We love the area, climate, people and especially the cost of living...
> There are some things that you have to either shop for in the States or
> have
> shipped, but almost anything is available if you want to pay for the
> convenience
> of getting it in town...
>
> My wife is a beach person and I'm not.. she collects shells, swims, etc...
> I
> have a view of the Sea of Cortez from 3 windows in the shop and that's
> perfect
> for me.. ;-]
>
> Some folks have asked if we feel safe.. I tell them that I feel safer
> walking
> through San Felipe at night than I did in Fresno during the day..
>
> You have to consider that where we are is probably NOT what most folks
> think of
> as living in Mexico..
> We live in a "gated" community that's primarily gringos and the majority
> of the
> Mexican people in the area speak some English, some better than I do..
> http://www.eldoradoranch.com/
>
> It would probably be very different if we lived on the mainland, but I
> really
> have no idea... I just love it here and never want to leave..
>
>
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing


Big Mac:

Thank you--and the other gentlemen--very kindly for the replies. I speak
Spanish and
have never had a problem in my visits though I'm very careful to blend in,
realizing
that dangling a gleaming new truck replete with every ornament is asking
for it any place
in the world where material poverty is the norm. Mexicans readily admit
there are bad
operators about and my friends among them have always been careful to offer
specific
recommendations to address the problem as I would to them on visits here.

Within the last three weeks, the L.A. Times Magazine ( www.latimes.com ) ran
a very nice article featuring places either bought or built by expatriates
along the penninsula, contrasting those investments with
comparable costs for stateside properties in Southern California. If you
can't access it and want a
copy, email me and I'll see if I can't use my subscriber's priveleges to
download and forward it .As you can imagine, the disparities in investments
were large. Outside of the torrid summers and the differential effects of
chubascos along the Baja coastline, the weather is indeed sublime.

As to important prohibitions in Mexico, illicit drugs (drogas) and weapons
(armas) are not words you want
to answer "Yes" to at a checkpoint. Narcotic perscription medication should
be carried in tagged
bottles indentifying the dispensing physician and the patient. Handguns are
out period. If you wisely use
an intermediary agency to acquire all the necessary permits, which include
the applicant obtaining
U.S. police proofs of character and appearing in the offices of the
appropriate Mexican state agency
for personal identification, one can bring in or use a hunting rifle of
specified calibres (either up ot and including .30 cal or <.30 cal) for a
limited period ( 6 months/or x# visits?) in conjunction with obtaining a
Mexican hunting license. Shotguns might be the same, though I can't verify
that. Ammunition by itself may also need a permit and would certainly
require a good explanation without one no if a tourist just happens to have
some. Those are the dated generalities I vaguely recall.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:24:06 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
>>Thank you--and the other gentlemen--very kindly for the replies. I speak
>>Spanish and have never had a problem in my visits though I'm very careful
>>to blend in,
>>realizing that dangling a gleaming new truck replete with every ornament
>>is asking
>>for it any place in the world where material poverty is the norm. Mexicans
>>readily admit
>>there are bad operators about and my friends among them have always been
>>careful to offer
>>specific recommendations to address the problem as I would to them on
>>visits here.
>
> Kind of different here, as the gringo dollar/peso HAS trickled down to the
> local
> population.. You still see a lot of poverty, but also a lot of new AC
> units on
> houses, fairly new pickups and suv's, etc..
> We had a friend visiting last week who screwed up big time and filled his
> diesel
> pickup with unleaded.. The station was closing but the attendant made a
> few
> phone calls and got a friend to come help..
> The took his gas tank off, emptied and cleaned it.. drained his lines and
> filters... All with hand tools and 5 gallon cans..
> Took 4 hours and a lot of work but they refused to let him pay them!
> These are folks that probably make $2 an hour and could use a few bucks..
> My friend figured that it would have cost $600 and 2 days in the States.
> His wife speaks Spanish and gave the little kid $100 and told him to give
> it to
> his mom..

Big Mac:

This last account recalls the day a wheel bearing went bad twice in one trip
which led me to
a larger town for a replacement. Though I had the tools for the work, after
the two-gallon
jar of rancho honey had cracked all over the front seat (and occupants) on a
notable bump,
visions of clean were right there with the bearing in urgency. At 4 p.m.
Saturday, I found a shop
with the bearing and asked the owner if his people could do the work while I
turned back into
a human. He said "We close at 4:30. But for you, I'll get people to stay. I
need to tell you it will
cost you double for the overtime." Without further conversation, "Do it"
came out of my mouth.
When the bill landed, labor was $6.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "
> I get to Baja when I can and have wondered about the expatriate experience.
> If it is not too much trouble, what is your level of satisfaction and what
> general
> or area comments do you have?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
>
>
Here's an email I got from a friend who is the father of one of the
cyclists in the just completed Baja 1000 race.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From Chris Hall, "Last night our family made the decision to drive home
at San Quentin. We felt fine, not tired and saw lots of chase and race
teams on the road- heck, it was only another 5 hours to get into our own
beds. The drive went just fine until we were 7 miles from the border. We
were almost to the last toll booth in TJ when we were pulled over by
“the police”. As soon as we stopped another car stopped in front of the
truck and trailer blocking our path. At the same time this was happening
the truck (our 2007 super duty and McMillin’s Weekend Warrior) were
surrounded by men with guns, their faces covered. They stuck a gun to
Chris’ head and pulled him out of the truck. They then proceeded to pull
the kids out and stuck a gun in my side and told me to shut up and not
move but to put my head down. The kids and Chris were stuck into the
back seat of the truck with a man sitting next to Tyler (age 16, this
week) who stuck a gun in his side for the next very long 2 hours. We
were driven with our heads down and guns on us up into the hills above
the area near La Playa. The gunmen yanked Chris out of the truck and
made him disconnect the trailer and then finally shoved him back into
the truck. There were 10 men, during this time they were ransacking the
truck and trailer and taking everything including the jewelry off of our
bodies. They pulled the GPS for the stereo out of the dash. We still had
the gun men with guns stuck to our bodies. We were driven further up
into some new development that was just graded. They first took Tyler
out of the truck and shoved him to the side of the road. They then
removed me and pushed me to the ground, I laid over Tyler as best as
they would let me. They then covered us both with a sleeping bag and
threw a pillow on us. At this point they brought Divinia and Chris
around and forced them to the ground. We all told each other that we
love each. Our truck drove away. We stayed there for about 10 minutes
not moving. We then did a 1 ½ hour hike thru cactus, barbed wire down a
mountain in the fog wearing our shorts tanks and flip-flops. We ended up
on the south side of La Playa where we knocked on doors and rang
security bells for over an hour before a very nice lady let us into her
home and called the police. The La Playa police came and decided to
hurry us out of the country, giving us a ride to the border. The customs
and immigration folks were less than helpful and even less sympathetic
to our situation. While they did let us walk into the US they would not
let us use their phone, bathroom nor have a drink of water. They
directed us to the McDonald’s for assistance. So this is what happened.
The rumors are close but this is the boiled down version of what
transpired. Please be safe. After 25 years of the Baja we are done. We
can replace material things; our greatest pleasure comes from our great
kids. We consider ourselves blessed and lucky to be home and safe. Our
family is very sad to hear that there was so much loss of life this
race. Our prayers are with those families. We wish those of you that
continue with the great Baja racing tradition safe travels."

A Baja Racing fan laments about this years Baja 1000 criminal activities:

"what hurts me the most is that I am a Mexican American, with family in
both countrys, in Baja California. My Grandmother was born in Baja Sur
and my mom, I love Baja with all my heart, its part of my blood and I am
fed up with this crime. I have had friends killed in Baja for no reason
just because they couldn't pay the ransom. All I can say is if you dont
have to come, dont do it, but if you love it just like I do and my
family. Always have this in your head do every thing in your power to
stay alive, because you have family waiting for you, but if there is no
other way other than dead, then, always go down fighting. I much rather
die on my feet fighting one of these guys up, even if its with my hands,
than kneeling down with my tail between my legs."



The Andy McMillin-Red Bull Trailer and the Super Duty pulling, stolen
from the Halls in Baja during the Baja 1000.


"I saw the Mcmillin trailer coming overthe hill from Rosarito in the
junk yard no kidding, this is not a lie, we thought it looked out of
place the blue trailer with Andy McMillins name and a Red Bull sponsor
on the side. I was parked next to the trailer in Loreto, Baja South, on
Thursday morning then went to pick it up on Saturday, it was gone! I saw
it near the first exit coming into Tijuana".



CHASES & CRASHES




Fred Reva Dies in Chase Crash:
A tragic chase crash took the life of Baja Champion Fred Reva, "the
accident south of El Rosario approx KM 78 at approx 6:30pm on Tues
11/13. The individuals and Hardesty racing family involved are currently
dealing with the tragic death of our beloved friend. Three vehicles
associated with the Hardesty team were traveling east bound on hwy 1
from El Rosario to Catavina at approx KM 78 a chase truck for car 106
heading west bound lost control of their vehicle and crossed over into
on coming traffic colliding head on into the 3rd Hardesty vehicle, a red
GMC extra cab truck. The 106 chase vehicle rolled on its side and the
driver and passenger(s) suffered minor injuries. The passenger of the
Hardesty vehicle also suffered minor injuries and was taken to the first
aid station at El Rosario. The driver of the GMC was pinned in the
vehicle for approx 1 ½ hours. Members of Hardesty and Chase 106 helped
the local police and medical units extract the driver from the vehicle
and he was transported to San Quintin Hospital. The driver of the red
GMC passed away at the Hospital approx 11:30pm in San Quintin. I’m not
aware of any critical injuries for the chase team of 106.The identity of
those involved to be posted at a later date, for the respect of the
family Member.I can accurately state the Red GMC Hardesty vehicle was a
spectator vehicle and the occupants were not part of a chase team, and
were not providing chase support for any race vehicle.Members of the 106
chase team were very instrumental in contacting Weatherman and SCORE
officials. Members of Chase 106 were also helpful in providing minimal
first aid support for the individuals involved." RIP Fred Reva.

"Remembering Fred Reva: Olivenhain contractor died pursuing off-road
racing passion. By: J. STRYKER MEYER. Longtime Olivenhain
builder/contractor Fred Reva was a man of remarkable contrasts.As a
builder and contractor in North County for more than 30 years, he built
beautiful homes and prided himself on developing personal, often lasting
relationships with many of his clients. As a racer and builder of
off-road motorcycles and racing vehicles, he won the Class Nine
category, driving a powerful dune buggy, in the famed Tecate/Baja 1000
in 1979, and continued participating in that event at various levels
over the last 25 years. And, as a proud father and neighbor, he enjoyed
the simple things in life: walks on the beach with his wife and
children, barbecues at his Olivenhain home, and time spent with friends
enjoying some laughs over a few cold drinks.Reva, 63, died Tuesday in an
accident during the 40th running of this year's Baja 1000. It occurred
near San Quintin, Baja California, about six hours south of the border,
said his wife of 39 years, Doris Reva. He is survived by his sons, Andy
and David, and a daughter, Susy, all of Encinitas. The Reva family is
planning a memorial service for Nov. 24, Doris Reva said, but the final
details were still being worked out on Friday."Although his death was
sudden and unexpected," said Doris Reva, "it occurred while he was doing
something he loved. I thought that was a cliche, but I can sincerely say
that he died doing what he loved."Fred Reva was driving a chase car,
following a team driver, when he collided with another vehicle during
the off-road competition in Mexico. The team driver he was supporting
immediately withdrew from the race.Doris Reva said that when the
accident occurred, her husband was pursuing a passion that he has had
since his youth, as a boy growing up in Duarte."When we went to high
school, the first year, in his freshman year, he drove a moped to school
because he was too young to have a motorcycle or a car," she said.Even
though Fred Reva excelled at high school sports such as football and
baseball, his competitive drive shifted gears to motorized
transportation, first with motorcycles, which evolved into off-road
racing machines, both off-road dirt bikes and early versions of Baja
dune buggies.His crowning moment in Baja competition was his victory in
1970 in the Class Nine category, a level of competition that Doris Reva
described as very fast and sophisticated for that era of Baja racing.
"He loved that big trophy he won that year," she said.Yet, there was a
serious, business side to Reva. "His father died very young," Doris Reva
said, "And Fred and his mother had to finish a track (of homes) that his
father had under construction at that time. They got it done."He learned
the trade and never looked back. Also, he was never afraid to take a
risk. He went out on his own" and formed Reva Construction.And, soon
Fred and Doris Reva discovered the beauty and potential for building
quality homes in North County, she said. The young couple moved to
Oceanside for nine months and Doris got a job teaching in Vista as Fred
Reva developed a reputation as a builder. They eventually settled in
Olivenhain, with their first home at Lone Jack and Rancho Santa Fe
Road.Reva's cousin, Linda Doyle said, "When Fred and Doris landed in
Olivenhain, he saw a lot of potential. He bought a lot of land and then
built a series of homes in Olivenhain that are still standing
today."And, in most cases, he built remarkable relationships with the
people he served, which is rare in that industry. However, in Fred's
case, when you meet him, he's your friend for life and no better friend
can be found anywhere."When word of Reva's death spread throughout
Olivenhain and Encinitas, "you couldn't believe the human response we
had here (at Fred Reva's home)," said Linda Doyle."We had more than 200
people stop by his house and offer to help," she said, "I lost my spouse
a few months ago, but wow, how people have responded to Fred is simply
amazing. We're seeing living proof of what a quality man he was both in
the community and at home."


Another Chase crash, 2 more fatalities.

I just received a call from one of the drivers of the team involved and
he asked me to put up this post. There were 3 team vehicles traveling
together. They decided to stop and strectch their legs and make sure the
drivers were all ok. Everyone was fine and they headed on. The truck
involved was the last one in line. It was shortly after they got back on
the highway that the first 2 trucks were not getting any communication
so they turned around and went back and that is when they saw the
accident. The semi truck driver crossed over the line and hit their team
truck head on. It was around 8:00 at night so it was dark. The team
member that lived said the semi truck looked like it was swerving coming
at them but everything happened too quickly. The semi truck driver took
off and left the scene but later he was caught. The concern I got was
that there was speculation on here that maybe the team truck driver was
fatigued. He also told me to give the #1612 team a huge thank you from
the bottom of their hearts. He said if it wasn't for you guys they would
have been completely lost. He said that the angels had to of put you
behind them that night and that you guys were a true godsend. Later, I
got another call from the team again and they said it was ok to post
what team so that those of us still waiting for people to come home will
not continue to worry. It is the 7s team of Mike Horner and Chuck
Foreman. Chuck said that those of you that know the team will know how
to contact them. He also said thank you for all your support as this is
a very difficult time for them right now. The 2 killed, Larry and
Sergio, were members of the Foreman team. I did not know Sergio however
I have known Larry for almost 20 years. He was one of those guys that
could fix anything and he was always there when you needed him with a
smile on his face.

Another crash report:

"About 2 hours after i got out of the truck at our driver change, we got
the call!Of course hearing your guys just drove off of a 1000ft cliff
sends everyone into a frenzy, but we had a great group that held it
together well and worked as a team to get things done with minimal
panic.Yes, the reports were true, the truck went off of a rocky cliff
into a ravine approximately 600-700ft. This was at about 3am early
Saturday Morning @ RM 235+/-We are unsure exactly how it happened but
the witnesses in truck # 303 said that they were stuck on the edge of
the cliff, we tried to get around them (single track terrain), clipped
their bumper, hit a soft spot and cartwheeled down the hill. They
estimated the truck rolled end over end a mininum of 15 times and the
co-driver of truck # 303 said he vomitted after watching the truck crash
thinking he just watched 2 fellow racers die.People have been asking who
was in the truck and their conditions, the driver @ the time of the
crash was Brett Garland and the co-driver was Mike Shortt. Both were ok
and conscious @ the time, were sharp enough to immediately turn off the
fuel pump and batteries and get the hell out. They exited via the hole
that used to house a windshield and climbed up the 700+ft hill to truck
# 303.The guys @ truck #303 immediately took control of the situation,
assesed the injuries and made the immediate call for a helo to extract
Brett due to a severe concussion and complains of side pains, they
stayed with him for 3+ hours until sunrise when the helo could land.
They were in a fairly gnarly area and the guys did some recon to find a
landing spot for the helo and then moved Brett as close as they could.
Helos cant fly @ night (during a race) and the accident happened around
3am or so, so they were there for approx 3 hours. As soon as the sun
rose, the SCORE helo was there and brought him to San Quintin to prep
for transport to the US. Not sure what helo arrived but someone showed
up and transported him directly to UCSD Medical Center immediately. The
total time of extraction from Crash site to a US hospital was under 4
hours, mighty damn impressive!Must give a huge thanks to team #303 (not
sure of the name) for staying with Brett and Mike all throughout this
and taking care of them!They did a bunch of tests at the hospital,
diagnosed it as a moderate concussion and bruised ribs and now he is
there for resting, mike is fine and only had a few bruises. We are
trying to get pics of the crash, but believe me when i say they are
lucky to be alive! The next step was extracting Mike, since the Helo
only took the injured party out. We were @ an access road around RM209
and they were on the course @ RM235 or so. Our support trucks were a big
dodge diesel truck, a 2wd tacoma, and my Land Cruiser. Choice was easy,
i was going in. Took us over 5 hours to cover 20 miles of trail that
made the rubicon look like candyland. We played it very safe and went
super slow since we were now down to one capable recovery rig and would
be going deep into no mans land solo. Once we arrived to the crash site,
we almost threw up too, i looked at mike, looked at the truck and could
not believe he was standing there looking at me. The guys from truck
#303 were already helping us strip whatever we could off of the truck
and helped us hoof it up the cliffside. Again, huge kudos to these guys!
We loaded Mike and whatever else we could into my truck and headed back
towards the others. We didnt arrive to them until dusk, and they had
been patiently been waiting there ALL day for us!! We swapped stories
and decided it was time for a nice steak dinner! Enjoyed a nice dinner,
relaxed for a few minutes and headed home to one of the fastest border
crossings ever, a whopping 3 minute wait! As for the race and why these
crashes, happened, i am going to say fatigue! We have been working on
this thing around the clock for the last 3 months, worked on it prepping
stuff right up until race day morning, and everyone was just plain wiped
out.I did the start and the first 207 miles and did so on adrenaline
only (only 3 hours sleep the night before the race), we had a great
time, held our own and ran mid pack for a bit, but the brand new shocks
need some major adjusting after we worked them a little and them got
warm @ around RM 50 or so. Unfortunately we didnt have a chance to test
and this was the result.When the shocks got cushy, we were restricted to
about 25mph or so in the rough stuff and we lost a bunch of time.We
pulled into the BFG pit 1 where they firmed up the compression stroke of
the bypasses a few clicks and it made all the difference in the world!
After the shocks were tweaked, We were able make some good time breezing
through an uncrowded Mikes Sky Ranch, but the time we lost during the
shock softness (around 60 miles restricted to 25mph) got us to our pit
quite a bit later then we had hoped it everyone was already getting
tired. It is impossible to catch some shut eye when you are waiting to
get into a race truck! When i got out of the truck, i was still all
amped up, but after sitting down for 5 mins and drinking some water, i
was WIPED and crashed hard, no chance i was driving a chase truck for
200+ miles! Sleep deprivation was immediately apparent!Want to give
another huge thanks to truck # 303, SCORE Medical, Weatherman, and all
the other teams that stopped to help.Does anyone know if #303 was able
to unstuck themselves? Hoping so, they were in a gnarly situation too!"

Followed Up:

"Team 303's side of the saga.The 303 Dodge Ramcharger was entered and
driven by Gale, Matt and Noah Pike. Yes, Gale has been racing for a long
time, he raced his first 1000 in 1975. The driver at the time of the
accident was Noah (Gale's Youngest son) and Loren J ( who built the
racer). The car got pitched off the road by a rock in the road and was
stuck part way into the course. Loren tried to move the car off the
coures and it only slipped farther down the hill, but was still stuck,
partly blocking the trail. Along came the 876, clipped the back of the
car, the cartwheeled over the hood of the 303 on it's way down the hill.
Loren was checking on the 876 crew as soon as the crashing stopped. At
first he didn't hear any response and he thought the worst ! I might add
that Loren is a former Firefighter, so he kinda knew what he might have
had to deal with anyway, but that didn't comfort them any at all. We
were in immeduate contact with them by SAT phone, and Loren and Noah
were REALLY SHAKEN. We got chase guys in to the scene that night to see
if we could get going again. We couldn't and thank goodness, as Loren
was very adament with SCORE about the need for helicopter evacuation the
next morning !! It took us ALL the next day to get a Tow Truck from San
Quintin up there to winch the car up the hill..but thats another story!"

Thanks to the prayers of Family and friends Team Illinois made it back
safe and sound......

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:09:33 -0800, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"mac davis" wrote
>
>> Fred.. do you then strip the wd-40 and use topcoat or something like
>that?
>>
>> I'd try it but I'm worried about the wd-40 transferring to the wood
>I'm
>> cutting..
>
>SFWIW, I've use WD40 with a ROS with 100/150 grit to clean C/I
>surfaces.
>
>When finished sanding, wipe down with paper towel, then wax.
>
>No problems yet.
>
>YMMV
>
>Lew
>
wow.. sounds great... you don't need to wipe it down with mineral spirits or
anything, just buff the wd-40?
Do you think topcoat work over the wd-40 or do you think remaining solvents in
the wd-40 will effect it?


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

David F. Eisan <[email protected]> wrote:

> A surface conditioning belt looks like a Scotchbrite pad. This one
> was blue, and I have no idea what grit it conforms to. We have been
> using this on used equipment at work for a while and it does wonders,
> cleaning up quickly without leaving any marks.

Ok, I'm intrigued. :) Where does one buy these surface conditioning
belts from?

Thanks.

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:22:43 -0700, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]>
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Doug.. we have a friend that ran and did pretty well... I really wasn't aware of
the problems with the races until hanging out with him and his crew and hearing
the "Mexican" side...
Apparently, there are a lot of Mexican and Indian villages and settlements along
the route that get all the noise, trash and dust but no income.. they respond
with anything from "tricks" like box springs in the road to outright theft and
vandalism...
Not a good thing on either side and a long standing conflict, from what I was
able to understand...
>>
>Here's an email I got from a friend who is the father of one of the
>cyclists in the just completed Baja 1000 race.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From Chris Hall, "Last night our family made the decision to drive home
>at San Quentin. We felt fine, not tired and saw lots of chase and race
>teams on the road- heck, it was only another 5 hours to get into our own
>beds. The drive went just fine until we were 7 miles from the border. We
>were almost to the last toll booth in TJ when we were pulled over by
>“the police”. As soon as we stopped another car stopped in front of the
>truck and trailer blocking our path. At the same time this was happening
>the truck (our 2007 super duty and McMillin’s Weekend Warrior) were
>surrounded by men with guns, their faces covered. They stuck a gun to
>Chris’ head and pulled him out of the truck. They then proceeded to pull
>the kids out and stuck a gun in my side and told me to shut up and not
>move but to put my head down. The kids and Chris were stuck into the
>back seat of the truck with a man sitting next to Tyler (age 16, this
>week) who stuck a gun in his side for the next very long 2 hours. We
>were driven with our heads down and guns on us up into the hills above
>the area near La Playa. The gunmen yanked Chris out of the truck and
>made him disconnect the trailer and then finally shoved him back into
>the truck. There were 10 men, during this time they were ransacking the
>truck and trailer and taking everything including the jewelry off of our
>bodies. They pulled the GPS for the stereo out of the dash. We still had
>the gun men with guns stuck to our bodies. We were driven further up
>into some new development that was just graded. They first took Tyler
>out of the truck and shoved him to the side of the road. They then
>removed me and pushed me to the ground, I laid over Tyler as best as
>they would let me. They then covered us both with a sleeping bag and
>threw a pillow on us. At this point they brought Divinia and Chris
>around and forced them to the ground. We all told each other that we
>love each. Our truck drove away. We stayed there for about 10 minutes
>not moving. We then did a 1 ½ hour hike thru cactus, barbed wire down a
>mountain in the fog wearing our shorts tanks and flip-flops. We ended up
>on the south side of La Playa where we knocked on doors and rang
>security bells for over an hour before a very nice lady let us into her
>home and called the police. The La Playa police came and decided to
>hurry us out of the country, giving us a ride to the border. The customs
>and immigration folks were less than helpful and even less sympathetic
>to our situation. While they did let us walk into the US they would not
>let us use their phone, bathroom nor have a drink of water. They
>directed us to the McDonald’s for assistance. So this is what happened.
>The rumors are close but this is the boiled down version of what
>transpired. Please be safe. After 25 years of the Baja we are done. We
>can replace material things; our greatest pleasure comes from our great
>kids. We consider ourselves blessed and lucky to be home and safe. Our
>family is very sad to hear that there was so much loss of life this
>race. Our prayers are with those families. We wish those of you that
>continue with the great Baja racing tradition safe travels."
>
>A Baja Racing fan laments about this years Baja 1000 criminal activities:
>
>"what hurts me the most is that I am a Mexican American, with family in
>both countrys, in Baja California. My Grandmother was born in Baja Sur
>and my mom, I love Baja with all my heart, its part of my blood and I am
>fed up with this crime. I have had friends killed in Baja for no reason
>just because they couldn't pay the ransom. All I can say is if you dont
>have to come, dont do it, but if you love it just like I do and my
>family. Always have this in your head do every thing in your power to
>stay alive, because you have family waiting for you, but if there is no
>other way other than dead, then, always go down fighting. I much rather
>die on my feet fighting one of these guys up, even if its with my hands,
>than kneeling down with my tail between my legs."
>
>
>
>The Andy McMillin-Red Bull Trailer and the Super Duty pulling, stolen
>from the Halls in Baja during the Baja 1000.
>
>
>"I saw the Mcmillin trailer coming overthe hill from Rosarito in the
>junk yard no kidding, this is not a lie, we thought it looked out of
>place the blue trailer with Andy McMillins name and a Red Bull sponsor
>on the side. I was parked next to the trailer in Loreto, Baja South, on
>Thursday morning then went to pick it up on Saturday, it was gone! I saw
>it near the first exit coming into Tijuana".
>
>
>
>CHASES & CRASHES
>
>
>
>
>Fred Reva Dies in Chase Crash:
>A tragic chase crash took the life of Baja Champion Fred Reva, "the
>accident south of El Rosario approx KM 78 at approx 6:30pm on Tues
>11/13. The individuals and Hardesty racing family involved are currently
>dealing with the tragic death of our beloved friend. Three vehicles
>associated with the Hardesty team were traveling east bound on hwy 1
>from El Rosario to Catavina at approx KM 78 a chase truck for car 106
>heading west bound lost control of their vehicle and crossed over into
>on coming traffic colliding head on into the 3rd Hardesty vehicle, a red
>GMC extra cab truck. The 106 chase vehicle rolled on its side and the
>driver and passenger(s) suffered minor injuries. The passenger of the
>Hardesty vehicle also suffered minor injuries and was taken to the first
>aid station at El Rosario. The driver of the GMC was pinned in the
>vehicle for approx 1 ½ hours. Members of Hardesty and Chase 106 helped
>the local police and medical units extract the driver from the vehicle
>and he was transported to San Quintin Hospital. The driver of the red
>GMC passed away at the Hospital approx 11:30pm in San Quintin. I’m not
>aware of any critical injuries for the chase team of 106.The identity of
>those involved to be posted at a later date, for the respect of the
>family Member.I can accurately state the Red GMC Hardesty vehicle was a
>spectator vehicle and the occupants were not part of a chase team, and
>were not providing chase support for any race vehicle.Members of the 106
>chase team were very instrumental in contacting Weatherman and SCORE
>officials. Members of Chase 106 were also helpful in providing minimal
>first aid support for the individuals involved." RIP Fred Reva.
>
>"Remembering Fred Reva: Olivenhain contractor died pursuing off-road
>racing passion. By: J. STRYKER MEYER. Longtime Olivenhain
>builder/contractor Fred Reva was a man of remarkable contrasts.As a
>builder and contractor in North County for more than 30 years, he built
>beautiful homes and prided himself on developing personal, often lasting
>relationships with many of his clients. As a racer and builder of
>off-road motorcycles and racing vehicles, he won the Class Nine
>category, driving a powerful dune buggy, in the famed Tecate/Baja 1000
>in 1979, and continued participating in that event at various levels
>over the last 25 years. And, as a proud father and neighbor, he enjoyed
>the simple things in life: walks on the beach with his wife and
>children, barbecues at his Olivenhain home, and time spent with friends
>enjoying some laughs over a few cold drinks.Reva, 63, died Tuesday in an
>accident during the 40th running of this year's Baja 1000. It occurred
>near San Quintin, Baja California, about six hours south of the border,
>said his wife of 39 years, Doris Reva. He is survived by his sons, Andy
>and David, and a daughter, Susy, all of Encinitas. The Reva family is
>planning a memorial service for Nov. 24, Doris Reva said, but the final
>details were still being worked out on Friday."Although his death was
>sudden and unexpected," said Doris Reva, "it occurred while he was doing
>something he loved. I thought that was a cliche, but I can sincerely say
>that he died doing what he loved."Fred Reva was driving a chase car,
>following a team driver, when he collided with another vehicle during
>the off-road competition in Mexico. The team driver he was supporting
>immediately withdrew from the race.Doris Reva said that when the
>accident occurred, her husband was pursuing a passion that he has had
>since his youth, as a boy growing up in Duarte."When we went to high
>school, the first year, in his freshman year, he drove a moped to school
>because he was too young to have a motorcycle or a car," she said.Even
>though Fred Reva excelled at high school sports such as football and
>baseball, his competitive drive shifted gears to motorized
>transportation, first with motorcycles, which evolved into off-road
>racing machines, both off-road dirt bikes and early versions of Baja
>dune buggies.His crowning moment in Baja competition was his victory in
>1970 in the Class Nine category, a level of competition that Doris Reva
>described as very fast and sophisticated for that era of Baja racing.
>"He loved that big trophy he won that year," she said.Yet, there was a
>serious, business side to Reva. "His father died very young," Doris Reva
>said, "And Fred and his mother had to finish a track (of homes) that his
>father had under construction at that time. They got it done."He learned
>the trade and never looked back. Also, he was never afraid to take a
>risk. He went out on his own" and formed Reva Construction.And, soon
>Fred and Doris Reva discovered the beauty and potential for building
>quality homes in North County, she said. The young couple moved to
>Oceanside for nine months and Doris got a job teaching in Vista as Fred
>Reva developed a reputation as a builder. They eventually settled in
>Olivenhain, with their first home at Lone Jack and Rancho Santa Fe
>Road.Reva's cousin, Linda Doyle said, "When Fred and Doris landed in
>Olivenhain, he saw a lot of potential. He bought a lot of land and then
>built a series of homes in Olivenhain that are still standing
>today."And, in most cases, he built remarkable relationships with the
>people he served, which is rare in that industry. However, in Fred's
>case, when you meet him, he's your friend for life and no better friend
>can be found anywhere."When word of Reva's death spread throughout
>Olivenhain and Encinitas, "you couldn't believe the human response we
>had here (at Fred Reva's home)," said Linda Doyle."We had more than 200
>people stop by his house and offer to help," she said, "I lost my spouse
>a few months ago, but wow, how people have responded to Fred is simply
>amazing. We're seeing living proof of what a quality man he was both in
>the community and at home."
>
>
>Another Chase crash, 2 more fatalities.
>
>I just received a call from one of the drivers of the team involved and
>he asked me to put up this post. There were 3 team vehicles traveling
>together. They decided to stop and strectch their legs and make sure the
>drivers were all ok. Everyone was fine and they headed on. The truck
>involved was the last one in line. It was shortly after they got back on
>the highway that the first 2 trucks were not getting any communication
>so they turned around and went back and that is when they saw the
>accident. The semi truck driver crossed over the line and hit their team
>truck head on. It was around 8:00 at night so it was dark. The team
>member that lived said the semi truck looked like it was swerving coming
>at them but everything happened too quickly. The semi truck driver took
>off and left the scene but later he was caught. The concern I got was
>that there was speculation on here that maybe the team truck driver was
>fatigued. He also told me to give the #1612 team a huge thank you from
>the bottom of their hearts. He said if it wasn't for you guys they would
>have been completely lost. He said that the angels had to of put you
>behind them that night and that you guys were a true godsend. Later, I
>got another call from the team again and they said it was ok to post
>what team so that those of us still waiting for people to come home will
>not continue to worry. It is the 7s team of Mike Horner and Chuck
>Foreman. Chuck said that those of you that know the team will know how
>to contact them. He also said thank you for all your support as this is
>a very difficult time for them right now. The 2 killed, Larry and
>Sergio, were members of the Foreman team. I did not know Sergio however
>I have known Larry for almost 20 years. He was one of those guys that
>could fix anything and he was always there when you needed him with a
>smile on his face.
>
>Another crash report:
>
>"About 2 hours after i got out of the truck at our driver change, we got
>the call!Of course hearing your guys just drove off of a 1000ft cliff
>sends everyone into a frenzy, but we had a great group that held it
>together well and worked as a team to get things done with minimal
>panic.Yes, the reports were true, the truck went off of a rocky cliff
>into a ravine approximately 600-700ft. This was at about 3am early
>Saturday Morning @ RM 235+/-We are unsure exactly how it happened but
>the witnesses in truck # 303 said that they were stuck on the edge of
>the cliff, we tried to get around them (single track terrain), clipped
>their bumper, hit a soft spot and cartwheeled down the hill. They
>estimated the truck rolled end over end a mininum of 15 times and the
>co-driver of truck # 303 said he vomitted after watching the truck crash
>thinking he just watched 2 fellow racers die.People have been asking who
>was in the truck and their conditions, the driver @ the time of the
>crash was Brett Garland and the co-driver was Mike Shortt. Both were ok
>and conscious @ the time, were sharp enough to immediately turn off the
>fuel pump and batteries and get the hell out. They exited via the hole
>that used to house a windshield and climbed up the 700+ft hill to truck
># 303.The guys @ truck #303 immediately took control of the situation,
>assesed the injuries and made the immediate call for a helo to extract
>Brett due to a severe concussion and complains of side pains, they
>stayed with him for 3+ hours until sunrise when the helo could land.
>They were in a fairly gnarly area and the guys did some recon to find a
>landing spot for the helo and then moved Brett as close as they could.
>Helos cant fly @ night (during a race) and the accident happened around
>3am or so, so they were there for approx 3 hours. As soon as the sun
>rose, the SCORE helo was there and brought him to San Quintin to prep
>for transport to the US. Not sure what helo arrived but someone showed
>up and transported him directly to UCSD Medical Center immediately. The
>total time of extraction from Crash site to a US hospital was under 4
>hours, mighty damn impressive!Must give a huge thanks to team #303 (not
>sure of the name) for staying with Brett and Mike all throughout this
>and taking care of them!They did a bunch of tests at the hospital,
>diagnosed it as a moderate concussion and bruised ribs and now he is
>there for resting, mike is fine and only had a few bruises. We are
>trying to get pics of the crash, but believe me when i say they are
>lucky to be alive! The next step was extracting Mike, since the Helo
>only took the injured party out. We were @ an access road around RM209
>and they were on the course @ RM235 or so. Our support trucks were a big
>dodge diesel truck, a 2wd tacoma, and my Land Cruiser. Choice was easy,
>i was going in. Took us over 5 hours to cover 20 miles of trail that
>made the rubicon look like candyland. We played it very safe and went
>super slow since we were now down to one capable recovery rig and would
>be going deep into no mans land solo. Once we arrived to the crash site,
>we almost threw up too, i looked at mike, looked at the truck and could
>not believe he was standing there looking at me. The guys from truck
>#303 were already helping us strip whatever we could off of the truck
>and helped us hoof it up the cliffside. Again, huge kudos to these guys!
>We loaded Mike and whatever else we could into my truck and headed back
>towards the others. We didnt arrive to them until dusk, and they had
>been patiently been waiting there ALL day for us!! We swapped stories
>and decided it was time for a nice steak dinner! Enjoyed a nice dinner,
>relaxed for a few minutes and headed home to one of the fastest border
>crossings ever, a whopping 3 minute wait! As for the race and why these
>crashes, happened, i am going to say fatigue! We have been working on
>this thing around the clock for the last 3 months, worked on it prepping
>stuff right up until race day morning, and everyone was just plain wiped
>out.I did the start and the first 207 miles and did so on adrenaline
>only (only 3 hours sleep the night before the race), we had a great
>time, held our own and ran mid pack for a bit, but the brand new shocks
>need some major adjusting after we worked them a little and them got
>warm @ around RM 50 or so. Unfortunately we didnt have a chance to test
>and this was the result.When the shocks got cushy, we were restricted to
>about 25mph or so in the rough stuff and we lost a bunch of time.We
>pulled into the BFG pit 1 where they firmed up the compression stroke of
>the bypasses a few clicks and it made all the difference in the world!
>After the shocks were tweaked, We were able make some good time breezing
>through an uncrowded Mikes Sky Ranch, but the time we lost during the
>shock softness (around 60 miles restricted to 25mph) got us to our pit
>quite a bit later then we had hoped it everyone was already getting
>tired. It is impossible to catch some shut eye when you are waiting to
>get into a race truck! When i got out of the truck, i was still all
>amped up, but after sitting down for 5 mins and drinking some water, i
>was WIPED and crashed hard, no chance i was driving a chase truck for
>200+ miles! Sleep deprivation was immediately apparent!Want to give
>another huge thanks to truck # 303, SCORE Medical, Weatherman, and all
>the other teams that stopped to help.Does anyone know if #303 was able
>to unstuck themselves? Hoping so, they were in a gnarly situation too!"
>
>Followed Up:
>
>"Team 303's side of the saga.The 303 Dodge Ramcharger was entered and
>driven by Gale, Matt and Noah Pike. Yes, Gale has been racing for a long
>time, he raced his first 1000 in 1975. The driver at the time of the
>accident was Noah (Gale's Youngest son) and Loren J ( who built the
>racer). The car got pitched off the road by a rock in the road and was
>stuck part way into the course. Loren tried to move the car off the
>coures and it only slipped farther down the hill, but was still stuck,
>partly blocking the trail. Along came the 876, clipped the back of the
>car, the cartwheeled over the hood of the 303 on it's way down the hill.
>Loren was checking on the 876 crew as soon as the crashing stopped. At
>first he didn't hear any response and he thought the worst ! I might add
>that Loren is a former Firefighter, so he kinda knew what he might have
>had to deal with anyway, but that didn't comfort them any at all. We
>were in immeduate contact with them by SAT phone, and Loren and Noah
>were REALLY SHAKEN. We got chase guys in to the scene that night to see
>if we could get going again. We couldn't and thank goodness, as Loren
>was very adament with SCORE about the need for helicopter evacuation the
>next morning !! It took us ALL the next day to get a Tow Truck from San
>Quintin up there to winch the car up the hill..but thats another story!"
>
>Thanks to the prayers of Family and friends Team Illinois made it back
>safe and sound......


mac

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:12:29 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>MD:
>
>I get to Baja when I can and have wondered about the expatriate experience.
>If it is not too much trouble, what is your level of satisfaction and what
>general or area comments do you have?
>
>Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>Regards,
>
>Edward Hennessey
>
Well Ed, we've been here in San Felipe, about 100 miles south of the Calif.
border, for a little over a year..
After about 2 months, I developed a bad case of rectal glaucoma...
I just can't see my ass ever living in the States again..

At first we were a little scared of moving, since we heard all of the horror
stories... but a bit of research showed that about 80% of the problems were in
the border towns and most of them on mainland MX, not Baja..
It's turkey day and I'm working in the shop in shorts and t-shirt, with all the
windows open... NO MORE FRIGGIN' WINTER...

Some things here require a learning curve, especially developing patience, if
you're a type-A person... Things get done here when they get done, and if you
get upset about it, nobody else does, so it's pretty useless... you just have to
go with the flow, figuring that "it's their country and I'm a guest"...

We love the area, climate, people and especially the cost of living...
There are some things that you have to either shop for in the States or have
shipped, but almost anything is available if you want to pay for the convenience
of getting it in town...

My wife is a beach person and I'm not.. she collects shells, swims, etc... I
have a view of the Sea of Cortez from 3 windows in the shop and that's perfect
for me.. ;-]

Some folks have asked if we feel safe.. I tell them that I feel safer walking
through San Felipe at night than I did in Fresno during the day..

You have to consider that where we are is probably NOT what most folks think of
as living in Mexico..
We live in a "gated" community that's primarily gringos and the majority of the
Mexican people in the area speak some English, some better than I do..
http://www.eldoradoranch.com/

It would probably be very different if we lived on the mainland, but I really
have no idea... I just love it here and never want to leave..


mac

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:31:04 -0800 (PST), Ferd Farkel <[email protected]> wrote:


>
>Makes sense that it would work. I've had quick results with
>WD40 and a Scotchbrite pad slapped onto the sole of an ROS.


Fred.. do you then strip the wd-40 and use topcoat or something like that?

I'd try it but I'm worried about the wd-40 transferring to the wood I'm
cutting..


mac

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On Nov 14, 2:54 am, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have moved most of my machines from their previous location to my new
> house. As some of these tools have sat for a while I decided to clean them
> all as I set them up for use at the new place. One of the worst pieces was
> an older Delta 6x48" belt, 12" disk sander. It was my intention to do a full
> restoration w/paint, but I don't have time for that. I will be pressing it
> into service in the next week or so as I still have *loads* to do at the new
> place. This machine has sat idle for many many years and the tables were
> quite dingy.
>
> Rather than using elbow grease to clean the table, I enlisted the services
> of a Makita 9924DB belt sander. Now, I know what you are thinking, Ack! Only
> and idiot would take a belt sander to a cast iron table! And, you are right,
> only an idiot would. Unless of course, that idiot was using a surface
> conditioning belt rather than regular sanding belt. A surface conditioning
> belt looks like a Scotchbrite pad. This one was blue, and I have no idea
> what grit it conforms to. We have been using this on used equipment at work
> for a while and it does wonders, cleaning up quickly without leaving any
> marks.
>
> The table was sprayed with "Top Saver", left to sit for a minute, and then I
> had at it for a short bit of time with belt sander and the blue surface
> conditioning belt.

Makes sense that it would work. I've had quick results with
WD40 and a Scotchbrite pad slapped onto the sole of an ROS.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:33:17 -0700, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:

>Bonehenge (B A R R Y) wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:22:43 -0700, Doug Winterburn
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>beds. The drive went just fine until we were 7 miles from the border. We
>>>were almost to the last toll booth in TJ when we were pulled over by
>>>?the police?. As soon as we stopped another car stopped in front of the
>>>truck and trailer blocking our path. At the same time this was happening
>>>the truck (our 2007 super duty and McMillin?s Weekend Warrior) were
>>>surrounded by men with guns, their faces covered. They stuck a gun to
>>>Chris? head and pulled him out of the truck.
>>
>> I remember hearing about NASCAR using armed security teams to escort
>> the Busch Series trucks in and out of Mexico, as well as some drivers
>> refusing to go.
>
> Thought Mexico took a very dim view of anybody being armed other than the
>police, federalis, and drug trafficers.

I've never heard of anyone needing armed guards here...

Guns and ammo are illegal here and a federal thing.. you can actually get
deported for possession..


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mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
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> We had a friend visiting last week who screwed up big time and filled
> his diesel pickup with unleaded.. The station was closing but the
> attendant made a few phone calls and got a friend to come help..
> The took his gas tank off, emptied and cleaned it.. drained his lines
> and filters... All with hand tools and 5 gallon cans..
> Took 4 hours and a lot of work but they refused to let him pay them!
>
I borrowed my sister's Peugeot (this was in Holland) and drove to
Schiphol airport to pick up my daughter. I realized the fuel level was
low, and thought to help my sister pay for fuel. No problem. My US
credit card paid for the Euro 95 gas, and I got to the airport, found my
daughter, and started driving back. Engine started to stutter. This got
worse, I realized I had put gasoline into the tank of a diesel car, and
was happy to reach a gas station on the A2 (Breukelen, just north of
Utrecht). Called the ANWB for help. It took about 35 min for a
technician (??) to arrive. My AAA (North Jersey) card was good. He
emptied the gas tank, we filled it with good diesel, and he towed me to
start the engine (manual transmision). Car engine ran more smoothly with
every km I went. We were just in time "home" for my father's funeral ...

My sister said her car's engine had never run as smoothly until that
time. She finally had to sell the car this year, after quite a few more
km's.
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Best regards
Han
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On Nov 14, 12:03 pm, "Michael Faurot" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Ok, I'm intrigued. :) Where does one buy these surface conditioning
> belts from?

They're on Amazon if you search for "surface conditioning belt."

Haven't seen them anywhere else, but I haven't been looking
either. :-)

On Nov 15, 9:47 pm, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:31:04 -0800 (PST), Ferd Farkel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Makes sense that it would work. I've had quick results with
> >WD40 and a Scotchbrite pad slapped onto the sole of an ROS.
>
> Fred.. do you then strip the wd-40 and use topcoat or something like that?
>
> I'd try it but I'm worried about the wd-40 transferring to the wood I'm
> cutting..

Wipe it back to clean shiny metal when you're done. Let the
table dry overnight, then wax it. I've never had it cause finish
problems.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:33:17 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Bonehenge (B A R R Y) wrote:
>> I remember hearing about NASCAR using armed security teams to escort
>> the Busch Series trucks in and out of Mexico, as well as some drivers
>> refusing to go.
>
> Thought Mexico took a very dim view of anybody being armed other than the
>police, federalis, and drug trafficers.


Maybe they tossed a few bags of weed into each hauler to stay legal.
<G>

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:02:42 -0800 (PST), Ferd Farkel <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Nov 15, 9:47 pm, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:31:04 -0800 (PST), Ferd Farkel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Makes sense that it would work. I've had quick results with
>> >WD40 and a Scotchbrite pad slapped onto the sole of an ROS.
>>
>> Fred.. do you then strip the wd-40 and use topcoat or something like that?
>>
>> I'd try it but I'm worried about the wd-40 transferring to the wood I'm
>> cutting..
>
>Wipe it back to clean shiny metal when you're done. Let the
>table dry overnight, then wax it. I've never had it cause finish
>problems.

I used to use wax until I moved to Baja.. the humidity rusted it right through 3
coats of Johnson's wax..

Topcote is my friend..


mac

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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:58:16 -0800, mac davis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>I've never heard of anyone needing armed guards here...

We're all happy to hear that. <G>

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:22:43 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:

>beds. The drive went just fine until we were 7 miles from the border. We
>were almost to the last toll booth in TJ when we were pulled over by
>“the police”. As soon as we stopped another car stopped in front of the
>truck and trailer blocking our path. At the same time this was happening
>the truck (our 2007 super duty and McMillin’s Weekend Warrior) were
>surrounded by men with guns, their faces covered. They stuck a gun to
>Chris’ head and pulled him out of the truck.

I remember hearing about NASCAR using armed security teams to escort
the Busch Series trucks in and out of Mexico, as well as some drivers
refusing to go.

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:21:10 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>This last account recalls the day a wheel bearing went bad twice in one trip
>which led me to
>a larger town for a replacement. Though I had the tools for the work, after
>the two-gallon
>jar of rancho honey had cracked all over the front seat (and occupants) on a
>notable bump,
>visions of clean were right there with the bearing in urgency. At 4 p.m.
>Saturday, I found a shop
>with the bearing and asked the owner if his people could do the work while I
>turned back into
>a human. He said "We close at 4:30. But for you, I'll get people to stay. I
>need to tell you it will
>cost you double for the overtime." Without further conversation, "Do it"
>came out of my mouth.
>When the bill landed, labor was $6.
>

Wow.. good price.. ;-]

Labor is still reasonable, unless it has something to do with the building
trades..

You can't buy new tires here.. no idea why..
So, when we had a blow out, we went to the States and bought 2 tires.. took them
to the nearest tire place and had them replace the worst 2 tires with the new
ones, put the new ones on the back and old ones on the front and balance all
four..
When the guys finished and asked for $15 we gave them $20 and told them to go
out to dinner.. I was expecting at least a $50 charge..



mac

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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:24:06 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
>Thank you--and the other gentlemen--very kindly for the replies. I speak
>Spanish and have never had a problem in my visits though I'm very careful to blend in,
>realizing that dangling a gleaming new truck replete with every ornament is asking
>for it any place in the world where material poverty is the norm. Mexicans readily admit
>there are bad operators about and my friends among them have always been careful to offer
>specific recommendations to address the problem as I would to them on visits here.

Kind of different here, as the gringo dollar/peso HAS trickled down to the local
population.. You still see a lot of poverty, but also a lot of new AC units on
houses, fairly new pickups and suv's, etc..
We had a friend visiting last week who screwed up big time and filled his diesel
pickup with unleaded.. The station was closing but the attendant made a few
phone calls and got a friend to come help..
The took his gas tank off, emptied and cleaned it.. drained his lines and
filters... All with hand tools and 5 gallon cans..
Took 4 hours and a lot of work but they refused to let him pay them!
These are folks that probably make $2 an hour and could use a few bucks..
My friend figured that it would have cost $600 and 2 days in the States.
His wife speaks Spanish and gave the little kid $100 and told him to give it to
his mom..

>As you can imagine, the disparities in investments were large. Outside of the torrid summers and the differential effects of
>chubascos along the Baja coastline, the weather is indeed sublime.

It's catching up in this area..lol
We paid $30k each for 2 lots... built a nice house (1,600 sf including shop) for
another $145,000..
The friends mentioned above just bought a lot smaller and further from the water
than ours for $65k and are building a 1,400sf house for a little over $100 a
foot..
On the "yuppie side" of the hiway, they're selling condo units for $500,000 and
"golf course lots" for up to $650,000!!
>
As to drugs.. I'm at the age where you wonder just when your drug of choice
became ibuprofen...
You can buy anything here over the counter but narcotics... We stay stocked with
antibiotics, etc.. at very low cost..

We don't have a smuggling problem here, but since there is such a large gringo
population in the area, the do find the occasional meth lab..
One of the locals was busted for buying crack and it cost them almost $10,000 to
avoid deportation and possible loss of their home.. scary stuff..


mac

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[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 12:03 pm, "Michael Faurot" <[email protected]>
> wrote:

> > Ok, I'm intrigued. :) Where does one buy these surface conditioning
> > belts from?

> They're on Amazon if you search for "surface conditioning belt."

Thanks! I'll go check that out.

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"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
> and idiot would take a belt sander to a cast iron table! And, you are
> right, only an idiot would. Unless of course, that idiot was using a
> surface conditioning belt rather than regular sanding belt. A surface
> conditioning belt looks like a Scotchbrite pad. This one was blue, and I
> have no idea what grit it conforms to. We have been using this on used
> equipment at work for a while and it does wonders, cleaning up quickly
> without leaving any marks.
<snip>

Here's a list of sources for a 4X24 version (to fit my belt sander) plus
some extra sizes not screened out:

Search Results
Search: 4 X 24 A-Med Scotch-Brite
Category: The Web
Matches: 35 result(s)
Date: 11/15/2007 4:10:23 PM
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3M Abrasive Belts - 4 X 24 A-MED SCOTCH-BRITE SURFACE CONDITIONING ...
Distributor of 130,000+ Industrial Supplies & Metalworking Tools in
the ... Description: 4 X 24 A-MED SCOTCH-BRITE SURFACE CONDITIONING BELT ...
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Scotch-BriteT Surface Conditioning Belts on 3M Creative Arts
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1/2" x 24" ... A CRS, Scotch-BriteT Surface Conditioning Belts, 3/4" x 18"
...
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while maintaining dimensional integrity and ...
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Scotch-Brite ...
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- 69%
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Scotch-Brite(TM) Surface Conditioning Belt, 1/2 in x 24 in A MED, 20
...
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4" SCOTCH BRITE S-ULF 60 SHEETS / ROLL. 19.50. EA. 32.50. 20% 26.0000. Shop
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in x 24 in A MED, 20 per case
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6500, BLTS ...
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3M 04801114590 4 X 1-1/4 Roloc+ Sh Amed Cut&polish Scotch -brite Disc,
$14.87 ... 23. 3M 05114401330 3 120 Grit Three-m-ite Psa Disc, $0.52. 24.
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David F. Eisan wrote:
> Rather than using elbow grease to clean the table, I enlisted the services
> of a Makita 9924DB belt sander. Now, I know what you are thinking, Ack! Only
> and idiot would take a belt sander to a cast iron table! And, you are right,
> only an idiot would. Unless of course, that idiot was using a surface
> conditioning belt rather than regular sanding belt. A surface conditioning
> belt looks like a Scotchbrite pad. This one was blue, and I have no idea
> what grit it conforms to. We have been using this on used equipment at work
> for a while and it does wonders, cleaning up quickly without leaving any
> marks.


Very impressive. Where did you find the conditioning belts? More specifically,
have you any idea where I could find one to fit my 3 X 21 belt sander?




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