How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
(In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a thin
layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
FoggyTown
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> You lose too much dust to scattering. I prefer to use a good card scraper
> with about a 5-degree hook.
>
I find a 4 degree hook is better. Honest, I just spent $13,000 for an
optical comparator so I can measure the hook of my scrapers.
Nova wrote:
> foggytown wrote:
>
> > How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or
is
> > it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
> >
> > (In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
> > piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a
thin
> > layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
> >
> > FoggyTown
>
> See:
>
> http://www.lungster.com/l/speakers/pianofinish.html
Thanks for the link, Nova. I allways wondered how they did it. Now, can
anyone describe how Steinway got that same black, deep finish that
seemed to have hidden orange or golden oak sort of highlights deep in
the finish? You couldn't see the streaks until you got right on top of
the finish, then they showed up. Slight bit of wood grain showed thru
the streaks only, as well. Most beautiful finish I've ever seen, IMHO.
Silvan wrote:
>
> It's kind of involved. First you take a piano, then you grind it
into a
> fine powder. Mix it with lacquer thinner or denatured alcohol, then
load
> into your HVLP sprayer. Watch out that you don't get it clogged up
with
> bits of wire.
>
I find that the belt sander does a great job for getting the old piano
into a fine dust. Use 60 grit for the early coats working down to 220
as you go.
Remove the wires first.
Yes, lacquer (in some form or other) predates polyester.
This does not help the OP in his quest for the super glossy finish one
sees on pianos today.
The OP asked for a process that "looks like it has been covered with a
thin layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep". "
Do you think lacquer looks like lucite?
>From an article sited above "Creating a Black Piano Finish"
"OK. About that "Piano Finish" we hear so much about. There are two
distinctly different finishes being talked about here. The traditional
"hand-rubbed" piano finish and the more recent "high-gloss" finish. The
high-gloss finish is polyester -- a plastic. "
I am not criticizing lacquer. I am merely trying to help the poster
get the finish he wants.
In article <[email protected]>,
CW <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"foggytown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
>> it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
>>
>> (In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
>> piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a thin
>> layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
>>
>Think about it. How long have pianos been around?
Q. Who brought the first piano to America?
A. A couple of piano movers.
<groan!>
In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> You lose too much dust to scattering. I prefer to use a good card
>>> scraper with about a 5-degree hook.
>>>
>>
>> I find a 4 degree hook is better. Honest, I just spent $13,000 for an
>> optical comparator so I can measure the hook of my scrapers.
>
>Would have been cheaper just to buy a pre-finished piano, wouldn't it?
Pay attention!!
They're _starting_ with a pre-finished piano,
The object of the exercise is to get the 'piano finish' onto a *different*
*item*.
_This_ discussion concerns technique for removing it from the piano, in
powdered from, suitable for applying to the other item.
In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The very shiny, deep finish on is not lacquer, it is polyester.
>Acrylic urethanes will come close, particularly in non-black. See ICA,
>or other Italian manufacturers. These arde the same finishes one sees
>on high-end European kitchens, like Snaidero.
>
I'll suggest that piano makers were using lacquer _long_ before the two
ladies (Polly and Ester) got into the finishing business.
foggytown wrote:
> How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
> it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
It's kind of involved. First you take a piano, then you grind it into a
fine powder. Mix it with lacquer thinner or denatured alcohol, then load
into your HVLP sprayer. Watch out that you don't get it clogged up with
bits of wire.
Something like that. Or you could cheat, and just use lacquer.
--
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A.M. Wood wrote:
> I find that the belt sander does a great job for getting the old piano
> into a fine dust. Use 60 grit for the early coats working down to 220
> as you go.
You lose too much dust to scattering. I prefer to use a good card scraper
with about a 5-degree hook.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> You lose too much dust to scattering. I prefer to use a good card
>> scraper with about a 5-degree hook.
>>
>
> I find a 4 degree hook is better. Honest, I just spent $13,000 for an
> optical comparator so I can measure the hook of my scrapers.
Would have been cheaper just to buy a pre-finished piano, wouldn't it?
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
foggytown wrote:
> How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
> it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
>
> (In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
> piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a thin
> layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
>
> FoggyTown
See:
http://www.lungster.com/l/speakers/pianofinish.html
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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[email protected] wrote:
> Thanks for the link, Nova. I allways wondered how they did it. Now, can
> anyone describe how Steinway got that same black, deep finish that
> seemed to have hidden orange or golden oak sort of highlights deep in
> the finish? You couldn't see the streaks until you got right on top of
> the finish, then they showed up. Slight bit of wood grain showed thru
> the streaks only, as well. Most beautiful finish I've ever seen, IMHO.
I believe that finish is done with lacquer that is tinted black.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
lacquer (many coats) - sprayed, color sanded, buffed and waxed.
Dave
"foggytown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
> it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
>
> (In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
> piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a thin
> layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
>
> FoggyTown
>
Think about it. How long have pianos been around?
"foggytown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
> it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
>
> (In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
> piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a thin
> layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
>
> FoggyTown
>
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:11:20 -0000, Robert Bonomi
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> You lose too much dust to scattering. I prefer to use a good card
>>>> scraper with about a 5-degree hook.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I find a 4 degree hook is better. Honest, I just spent $13,000 for an
>>> optical comparator so I can measure the hook of my scrapers.
>>
>>Would have been cheaper just to buy a pre-finished piano, wouldn't it?
>
>
> Pay attention!!
>
> They're _starting_ with a pre-finished piano,
>
> The object of the exercise is to get the 'piano finish' onto a *different*
> *item*.
>
> _This_ discussion concerns technique for removing it from the piano, in
> powdered from, suitable for applying to the other item.
>
Just in case no one else has said this . . .
Pianos are nearly all lacquer finish of varying quality, give or take
the odd church basement paint job.
It's a two step process:
1. Find a veneer that matches your piano case veneer.
2. Apply lacquer to it.
"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> lacquer (many coats) - sprayed, color sanded, buffed and waxed.
>
> Dave
Yep, Lacquer is the ticket
"foggytown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
> it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
>
> (In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
> piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a thin
> layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
>
> FoggyTown
dags french polish
In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> foggytown wrote:
>
> > How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
> > it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
>
> It's kind of involved. First you take a piano, then you grind it into a
> fine powder. Mix it with lacquer thinner or denatured alcohol, then load
> into your HVLP sprayer. Watch out that you don't get it clogged up with
> bits of wire.
>
> Something like that. Or you could cheat, and just use lacquer.
Is that somewhat similar to a photo finish?
Two pianos, at the finish line......
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> foggytown wrote:
>
> > How do you get a "piano finish" on wood? Can a wrecker do this or is
> > it an industrial process requiring complicated technology.
> >
> > (In case I'm using the wrong term, what I have seen referred to as
> > piano finish is wood that looks like it has been covered with a thin
> > layer of lucite - very shiny and "deep".
> >
> > FoggyTown
>
> See:
>
> http://www.lungster.com/l/speakers/pianofinish.html
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
>
One thing this guy says is when using lacquer to provide ventilation. This
just isn't enough. Only a proper resperator will do
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:27:53 -0000, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>I'll suggest that piano makers were using lacquer _long_ before the two
>ladies (Polly and Ester) got into the finishing business.
What's "lacquer" though ? Maybe Yamaha have finished the odd piano
with a true urushiol lacquer, but Steinway never did (they just don't
have the climate for it). Anything we term "lacquer" these days is to
some extent a fake of the original.
AIUI, the original European "piano" finish was an ebonised fruitwood
veneer, finished with a black dyed shellac and then polished to an
ultra-high polish. This wasn't the usual french polish or vernis
Martin, it was some obscure process involving an acid treatment of the
hardened surface.
_Really_ old pianos were finished as harpsichords and violins were;
complex decorative veneer work, with a spirit and plant-resin varnish.
But that's not the same finish at all.