CS

"Chad Stansbury"

15/12/2003 3:58 AM

Newbie: Steel wool

Hello all -

Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like to
use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have to
go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.

Thanks, Chad


This topic has 13 replies

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"Chad Stansbury"

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

15/12/2003 2:36 PM

Thanks to all for the replies. I will definitely reserve my (unsoaped)
Brillo-brand steel wool for tool maintenance/cleanup, and get the
finish-quality steel wool from Woodcraft or Lee Valley.

Thanks again.

"Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all -
>
> Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
> category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
> available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like
to
> use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have
to
> go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.
>
> Thanks, Chad
>
>

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

17/12/2003 2:13 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Silvan" writes:
>
> > Where do you live? If you have a Wal-Mart, you can get various finishing
> > grades of steel wool in the hardware/paint department. They sell it at
> > Lowe's and Home Despot too.
> >
> > It's cheap, very handy, and easy to find. No reason to even think about
> > using Brillo pads. Particularly once you consider the ramifications of
> all
> > that soap.
>
> SFWIW, I have a personal dislike of steel wool for almost everything,
> especially finishing.
>
> Why? Because the steel particles rust and become a real PITA to get ALL of
> them off the surface.
>
> These days 3M and others, offer a whole line of plastic pads as an alternate
> to steel wool.
>
> HTH

I have tried the 3M plastic pads and have found them less than
satisfactory in terms of abrasive capability. It's unfortunate, as I
would prefer not having to deal with steel wool particles either.


>
>
>

LG

"Leslie Gossett"

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

15/12/2003 4:07 PM

Get it from the BORG (Home Depot or Lowes ,etc.) like I do. Its much cheaper
in price and quality. But, it won't cost you an arm and a leg. The stuff at
the Woodworking places is probably better, but its way too pricey!

Leslie

--
She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
"Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks to all for the replies. I will definitely reserve my (unsoaped)
> Brillo-brand steel wool for tool maintenance/cleanup, and get the
> finish-quality steel wool from Woodcraft or Lee Valley.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hello all -
> >
> > Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
> > category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
> > available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like
> to
> > use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have
> to
> > go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.
> >
> > Thanks, Chad
> >
> >
>
>

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

16/12/2003 6:28 PM

Chad Stansbury wrote:

> available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like
> to use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll
> have to go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.

Where do you live? If you have a Wal-Mart, you can get various finishing
grades of steel wool in the hardware/paint department. They sell it at
Lowe's and Home Despot too.

It's cheap, very handy, and easy to find. No reason to even think about
using Brillo pads. Particularly once you consider the ramifications of all
that soap.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

hD

[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

15/12/2003 10:45 AM

"Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Thanks to all for the replies. I will definitely reserve my (unsoaped)
> Brillo-brand steel wool for tool maintenance/cleanup, and get the
> finish-quality steel wool from Woodcraft or Lee Valley.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hello all -
> >
> > Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
> > category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
> > available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like
> to
> > use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have
> to
> > go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.
> >
> > Thanks, Chad
> >
> >

Home Depot and Lowes have plenty of "finish quality" 0000 and 000
steel wool as well as the nylon 3M pads, as do most traditional
hardware stores and paint stores. If you can go to Woodcraft or Lee
Vally, I guess they would be as good a place as any for buying it
(possibly a tad more expensive), but making a special trip or mail
ordering is not necessary.

Dave Hall

KP

"Kevin P. Fleming"

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

14/12/2003 9:03 PM

Chad Stansbury wrote:

> Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
> category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
> available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like to
> use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have to
> go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.

Brillo is way coarser than #0000... #0000 steel wool is very fine, feels
very soft to the touch. I'd say Brillo is more like #0, or maybe #00. It
also frequently has soap in it, but you don't want that :-)

R@

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

16/12/2003 6:46 AM

Back in the late 60's I spent 3 summers between classes making Brillo soap pads in beautiful
almost-downtown London, Ohio. If I recall correctly, the standard cut was about 00 to 000 for soap
pads. It was judged by eye, never measured.

Used water soluble oil on the cutting tools as a lubricant when shaving the wire. 0000 needed
kerosene as a lubricant, which was flashed off in a hot air dryer before packaging (no EPA or OSHA
in those days). Made for some excitement when the line went down and we couldn't get the dryer shut
off quickly enough. Singed the roof once before we got it out.

You can find 0000 at Walmart and many other large chain stores.



On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:58:09 GMT, "Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hello all -
>
>Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
>category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
>available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like to
>use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have to
>go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.
>
>Thanks, Chad
>


Replies need to put RP in front of the number on my email in an effort to cut down on spam.

Roy Parker

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

15/12/2003 1:56 PM

Lee Valley Tools sells three grades of fine steel wool. Of course, you'll
end up spending money on much more than that, but that's your problem. :)

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=20062&category=1,190,43040

"Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all -
>
> Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
> category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
> available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like
to
> use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have
to
> go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

15/12/2003 11:09 AM

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:58:09 GMT, "Chad Stansbury"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I've still not been able to determine what
>category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under

Useless ?

"Brillo" wire wool pads are full of soap, and they're pretty coarse -
maybe 1 grade. Definitely not what you want for woodworking, except
maybe rubbing paint off house trim.

You'll probably be able to find soap-free steel wool in a grocery
store, but I don't think it'll be Brillo brand. I'm in the UK - maybe
there's a soap-free Brillo in the USA.

Supermarket wire wool will also contain oil from the manufacturing
process. Woodworking grades are oil-free, and if you're using this to
rub down finishes, then it's pretty important to avoid oil.

Another option is 3M or Webrax plastic abrasive pads. These don;t live
rust fragments behind, unlike steel wool, so they can be better for
finishing work, especially on oak.

> I'll have to go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.

You've not seen 0000 have you ? The stuff is soft, and very fine -
almost like lambswool (from farmer Tetsuo's flock of mutant android
sheep). To avoid scratching, you should also _cut_ 0000 wool and keep
the pad flat, rather than tearing it.

cC

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

15/12/2003 8:03 AM

"Chad Stansbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hello all -
>
> Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
> category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
> available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like to
> use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have to
> go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.
>
> Thanks, Chad

Not good enough.

I have purchased #0000 at Home Depot, so it is not hard to find. Look
in the paint aisle near the sand paper.

-Chris

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

17/12/2003 12:46 AM


"Silvan" writes:

> Where do you live? If you have a Wal-Mart, you can get various finishing
> grades of steel wool in the hardware/paint department. They sell it at
> Lowe's and Home Despot too.
>
> It's cheap, very handy, and easy to find. No reason to even think about
> using Brillo pads. Particularly once you consider the ramifications of
all
> that soap.

SFWIW, I have a personal dislike of steel wool for almost everything,
especially finishing.

Why? Because the steel particles rust and become a real PITA to get ALL of
them off the surface.

These days 3M and others, offer a whole line of plastic pads as an alternate
to steel wool.

HTH


--
Lew

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Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

17/12/2003 6:10 PM

Lew Hodgett wrote:

> Why? Because the steel particles rust and become a real PITA to get ALL of
> them off the surface.

Not if you use a magnet... :P

> These days 3M and others, offer a whole line of plastic pads as an
> alternate to steel wool.

True. I don't care for them though. No really profound reason why not, I
just don't like'em. I'd rather use steel wool.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Chad Stansbury" on 15/12/2003 3:58 AM

15/12/2003 6:15 PM

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:58:09 GMT, "Chad Stansbury"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hello all -
>
>Even after Googling a while I've still not been able to determine what
>category the "Brillo" brand steel wool would fall under (the one that's
>available in the supermarket) ... if any. Reason being is that I'd like to
>use it for rubbing down a finish, but if it's not good enough, I'll have to
>go out and get some of that "0000" stuff.
>
>Thanks, Chad
>

Brillo pads should not be used for finishing as they contain soap.
Steel wool is very inexpensive, and every shop should have a supply of
all grades.


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