I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
up tires.
I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
brands and which are junk?
I use a 1HP for touchup gun and WB lacquer for small pieces.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:27:04 -0600, [email protected] (p_j) wrote:
>I've never used spraying equipment, but I don't think the
>smaller compressors are going to be able to do it. I dunno though.
Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
> the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
> be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
> up tires.
First, check the requirements of the equipment you want to use, then see
if there are any that still can be carried. Filling tires and running
air guns takes very little, but running some small tools can still take
quite a bit. I've never used spraying equipment, but I don't think the
smaller compressors are going to be able to do it. I dunno though.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:04:10 -0600, "Rick"
<[email protected]> wrote:
I disagree with you. Ingersoll-Rand is the best among those mentioned
here. Look at IR's specifications closely you will see IR never lied
like the rest. I have bought many compressors for myself and for the
companies I used worked for, spending hours evaluating them. If money
is not the problem, I can close my eyes and purchase IR or Atlas Copco
with confident, knowing I have made the correct decision. I believed
Atlas Copco a Swedish company own Milwaukee tools and possibly made
the world best rotary type compressor.
Given the choices below, I will buy either Emglo (I have an Emglo
before) or IR (IR being better and more expensive).
>Actually none of the compressors he mentioned are the same compressor
>painted differently.
>
>Porter-Cable is made by Devilbiss.
>Ingersoll-Rand is made in an IR factory overseas.
>DeWalt is made by Emglo in Pennsylvania.
>Campbell Hausfeld is made in China.
>
>Of the above, I believe the DeWalt to be the best portable. Its an oil
>lubricated pump design. Many of Porter-Cables are oil-less.
>
>DeWalt (Emglo), Quincy, IR, and Rolair are some of the better units to look
>for in my opinion.
>
>Rick
>
>
>
>"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
>in message news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:29:53 GMT, Woodchuck Bill <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote
>> >
>> >
>> >> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Which are the better brands and which are junk?
>> >
>> >The brands you mentioned are all good.
>>
>>
>> Most of the brands he mentioned are all the same compressor, painted
>> different colors. <G>
>>
>> Barry
>
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:58:01 -0800, Top Spin <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:58:55 -0700, WD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:04:10 -0600, "Rick"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>I disagree with you. Ingersoll-Rand is the best among those mentioned
>>here. Look at IR's specifications closely you will see IR never lied
>>like the rest. I have bought many compressors for myself and for the
>>companies I used worked for, spending hours evaluating them. If money
>>is not the problem, I can close my eyes and purchase IR or Atlas Copco
>>with confident, knowing I have made the correct decision. I believed
>>Atlas Copco a Swedish company own Milwaukee tools and possibly made
>>the world best rotary type compressor.
>
>If it's for occasional, home-workshop use, does it make that much
>difference?
>
>>
>>Given the choices below, I will buy either Emglo (I have an Emglo
>>before) or IR (IR being better and more expensive).
>
>Which ones do you have? How quiet are these units?
The Italian's made Emglo's compressor (seven years ago) was enclosed
in a steel casing with insulating materials and it sound just like my
house central aircon.
Right now I have a $200, Taiwan's made 6.5hp, two stages compressor. I
do not believe the spec. My best guess it is a 1.5hp, 15 amps 5+CFM
compressor, base on "kick-in" and "kick-out" usage (too troublesome to
remove the cylinder heads, pistons etc. and calculate.....). I rewired
it to 220V after I experienced tripping, when it "kick-in."
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Greg G. wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:18:39 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
> >the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
> >be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
> >up tires.
> >
> >I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
> >Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
> >looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
> >little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
> >brands and which are junk?
>
> A better question would probably be whether they are oil-less or not.
> My experience is that the cast iron cylinder, belt driven compressors
> last longer and are *much* quieter in operation than the direct drive,
> oil-less models. The oil-less type are generally sold to consumers
> with an expectation that they will be used infrequently, while the
> cast iron, oiled types are generally sold to professionals who expect
> them to operate everyday, all day.
>
> YMMV,
> Greg
And ... there are "direct-drive" oil-lubed, to add variety to your world.
John
Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
> the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
> be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
> up tires.
>
> I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
> Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
> looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
> little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
> brands and which are junk?
Since nobody else mentioned it, I do not believe that you will be able
to spray finishes with any compressor small enough to carry around. I
could be wrong, but I always thought that required some volume not
available in a few gallon sized tank. I do not spray (yet), but I know
that my 30 gallon unit really isn't big enough to run a sander or
other continuous use air tool. It doesnt take much to run nailers or
pump things or (I would assume) run impact wrenches and other
non-continuous use tools.
Dave Hall
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:18:39 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
>the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
>be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
>up tires.
>
>I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
>Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
>looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
>little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
>brands and which are junk?
i have two portables. i need to sell one of them and it does not
matter to me witch one i sell. if you are near raliegh N.C. one is an
emglo [NOT BY DEWALT] and the other is a stanley bostich. the emglo is
oiled and the other is oiless. both have speedy recovery and 4 1/2
gallon capacity. the emglo is about 8 years old. the bostich is 1
month old and hardly used. i will take 100.00 for the emglo or 200.00
for the bostich. in my opinoin the emglo is the better one because it
is oiled. however the bostich is a very nice compressor. if you are
close drop a note here i read this group several times a day.
skeez
Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote
> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor.
> Which are the better brands and which are junk?
The brands you mentioned are all good.
--
Bill
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:58:55 -0700, WD <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:04:10 -0600, "Rick"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I disagree with you. Ingersoll-Rand is the best among those mentioned
>here. Look at IR's specifications closely you will see IR never lied
>like the rest. I have bought many compressors for myself and for the
>companies I used worked for, spending hours evaluating them. If money
>is not the problem, I can close my eyes and purchase IR or Atlas Copco
>with confident, knowing I have made the correct decision. I believed
>Atlas Copco a Swedish company own Milwaukee tools and possibly made
>the world best rotary type compressor.
If it's for occasional, home-workshop use, does it make that much
difference?
>
>Given the choices below, I will buy either Emglo (I have an Emglo
>before) or IR (IR being better and more expensive).
Which ones do you have? How quiet are these units?
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I looked at several 2 Gal. mini-pancakes, and the did seem awfully
similar.
I finally chose a Husky hot-dog model. It is 2 gal. (sufficient for
my nail gun), came with a pressure gauge (all do), and a regulator
(not all do), more power (135 lbs. instead of 105 lbs.), and some
attachments.
Ultimately, I picked it because it was so much quieter. The regulator
would have cost $15, and the longer hose would have cost me $10. Add
the $25 to the cost of the cheapies, and I got a nearly identical
deal.
Doug
Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
> the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
> be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
> up tires.
>
> I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
> Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
> looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
> little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
> brands and which are junk?
I would suggest the Porter Cable pancake style. If you can get it in a
combo with the 18 gauge brad nailer even better. I have this
compresser at home and use it all the time for nailing everything from
baseboards to building small projects. I have also used it a fair
amount for spraying finishes and paints.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:04:10 -0600, "Rick"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Porter-Cable is made by Devilbiss.
Are you sure? I've seen an awful lot of PC compressors that seem to
be Cambell Hausfield units.
Barry
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:43:46 -0600, "Rick"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Actually you will have to go to your local industrial supplier to find names
>like Quincy,
I was looking at a Quincy today, which was the first I'd heard of
them. The units I saw had believable specs at slightly discounted
industrial prices. They looked like they were spray painted while
attached to the shipping pallet, which would probably make the typical
BORG shopper think of them as cheesy. <G> Upon external inspection
they appeared to be of serious quality, reminding me of IR's
industrial gear.
I don't care what it looks like on the pallet, I care about how they
compress air.
Does anyone here own a Quincy? What do you think of it?
Thanks,
Barry
I did a bit of research when I bought my compressor. It got pretty
complicated, but I found that spraying paint required a ton of power.
Since I don't plan on doing any of that, I got a 5hp, C-H floor model at
the Borg and it has done everything I wanted.
Right now I'm considering replacing it with one that doesn't make so
much noise and one that doesn't have the drain valve in such a difficult
place to get to.
My $.02.
p_j wrote:
> Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
>>the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
>>be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
>>up tires.
>
>
> First, check the requirements of the equipment you want to use, then see
> if there are any that still can be carried. Filling tires and running
> air guns takes very little, but running some small tools can still take
> quite a bit. I've never used spraying equipment, but I don't think the
> smaller compressors are going to be able to do it. I dunno though.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:18:39 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
>the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
>be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
>up tires.
>
>I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
>Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
>looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
>little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
>brands and which are junk?
A better question would probably be whether they are oil-less or not.
My experience is that the cast iron cylinder, belt driven compressors
last longer and are *much* quieter in operation than the direct drive,
oil-less models. The oil-less type are generally sold to consumers
with an expectation that they will be used infrequently, while the
cast iron, oiled types are generally sold to professionals who expect
them to operate everyday, all day.
YMMV,
Greg
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:29:53 GMT, Woodchuck Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor.
>
>
>> Which are the better brands and which are junk?
>
>The brands you mentioned are all good.
Most of the brands he mentioned are all the same compressor, painted
different colors. <G>
Barry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:04:10 -0600, "Rick"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Actually none of the compressors he mentioned are the same compressor
>painted differently.
>
>Porter-Cable is made by Devilbiss.
>Ingersoll-Rand is made in an IR factory overseas.
>DeWalt is made by Emglo in Pennsylvania.
>Campbell Hausfeld is made in China.
>
>Of the above, I believe the DeWalt to be the best portable. Its an oil
>lubricated pump design. Many of Porter-Cables are oil-less.
Is this because the oil-lube are quieter and more reliable?
>DeWalt (Emglo), Quincy, IR, and Rolair are some of the better units to look
>for in my opinion.
I've looked around locally a bit. I haven't seen any of these in
hardware stores. Are they only available mail order?
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:43:46 -0600, "Rick"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> >DeWalt (Emglo), Quincy, IR, and Rolair are some of the better units to
>look
>> >for in my opinion.
>>
>> I've looked around locally a bit. I haven't seen any of these in
>> hardware stores. Are they only available mail order?
>>
>> --
>> Spam sink email address, sorry
>
>Actually you will have to go to your local industrial supplier to find names
>like Quincy, IR, and Rolair. Typically the people that supply your local
>contractors will carry brands like these.
>
>DeWalt (Emglo) can be found almost anywhere tools are sold.
I have seen some DeWalt units. I just didn't know until now that that
was the same as Emglo. Thanks
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:18:39 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
>the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
>be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
>up tires.
>
>I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
>Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
>looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
>little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
>brands and which are junk?
The oiless are less expensive but won't last as long as the ones that
need oil added. I've got the CH extreme duty and very satisfied, but
other brands are good too. Take proper care of whatever you decide
and it should last a long time.
Porter-Cable, Delta, DeVilbiss are all the same company. Also one more
that I can't remember right now.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:55:31 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:04:10 -0600, "Rick"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Porter-Cable is made by Devilbiss.
>
>Are you sure? I've seen an awful lot of PC compressors that seem to
>be Cambell Hausfield units.
>
>Barry
Actually none of the compressors he mentioned are the same compressor
painted differently.
Porter-Cable is made by Devilbiss.
Ingersoll-Rand is made in an IR factory overseas.
DeWalt is made by Emglo in Pennsylvania.
Campbell Hausfeld is made in China.
Of the above, I believe the DeWalt to be the best portable. Its an oil
lubricated pump design. Many of Porter-Cables are oil-less.
DeWalt (Emglo), Quincy, IR, and Rolair are some of the better units to look
for in my opinion.
Rick
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:29:53 GMT, Woodchuck Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> >
> >> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor.
> >
> >
> >> Which are the better brands and which are junk?
> >
> >The brands you mentioned are all good.
>
>
> Most of the brands he mentioned are all the same compressor, painted
> different colors. <G>
>
> Barry
I have a 7 hp porter cable and it runs great! It runs on 220 and i have not
had a problem spraying laquer, latex, using it running impact tools, air
grinders, etc. So far so good. Paid $399 minus 10% at local woodworking
store.
Ray
"Roy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
> the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
> be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
> up tires.
>
> I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
> Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
> looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
> little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
> brands and which are junk?
May I ask your opinion of "direct drive, oil-lubed" as opposed to a belt
driven unit?
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SwampBug
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"John Barry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greg G. wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:18:39 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >I'm thinking of buying a small air compressor. Has to be portable (in
> > >the sense of pick up and carry, not roll around on wheels). Uses will
> > >be small tools, maybe some spraying of finishes, and of course pumping
> > >up tires.
> > >
> > >I'm stumped by the array of brands on the market. Ingersol-Rand,
> > >Campbell-Hausfeld, Dewalt, Porter-Cable, etc. They all make stuff that
> > >looks pretty much the same with similar specs. I'd rather spend a
> > >little more and get a higher quality product. Which are the better
> > >brands and which are junk?
> >
> > A better question would probably be whether they are oil-less or not.
> > My experience is that the cast iron cylinder, belt driven compressors
> > last longer and are *much* quieter in operation than the direct drive,
> > oil-less models. The oil-less type are generally sold to consumers
> > with an expectation that they will be used infrequently, while the
> > cast iron, oiled types are generally sold to professionals who expect
> > them to operate everyday, all day.
> >
> > YMMV,
> > Greg
>
>
> And ... there are "direct-drive" oil-lubed, to add variety to your world.
>
> John
Porter Cable is owned by a corporate holding group named Pentair.
Delta is also owned by Pentair.
And, yes, Devilbiss is also owned by Pentair.
http://www.pentair.com/tools.html
Rick
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:04:10 -0600, "Rick"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Porter-Cable is made by Devilbiss.
>
> Are you sure? I've seen an awful lot of PC compressors that seem to
> be Cambell Hausfield units.
>
> Barry
>
> >DeWalt (Emglo), Quincy, IR, and Rolair are some of the better units to
look
> >for in my opinion.
>
> I've looked around locally a bit. I haven't seen any of these in
> hardware stores. Are they only available mail order?
>
> --
> Spam sink email address, sorry
Actually you will have to go to your local industrial supplier to find names
like Quincy, IR, and Rolair. Typically the people that supply your local
contractors will carry brands like these.
DeWalt (Emglo) can be found almost anywhere tools are sold.
Rick
Porter Cable and Delta are essentially the same company. The management
group is the same, they are housed under the same roof, and manufacturing
facilities have been combined in many cases.
Devilbiss is its own company. The only affiliation besides producing product
for Porter Cable and Delta, is that they are also owned by Pentair.
Hoffman enclosures is probably the other company you referenced.
They also own brand names like Viper, Hickory, Oldham, etc.
You can find the info at www.pentair.com
Rick
"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Porter-Cable, Delta, DeVilbiss are all the same company. Also one more
> that I can't remember right now.