I was asked that question today and couldn't come up with an intelligent
answer since i don't know how it operates.My friend has the oppurtunity to
buy a new planer which has only one blade in it for $299.00 and asked for an
honest opinion. I told him it had to be junk. I can't see a single bladed
planer lasting very long
opinions? anyone?
Bridger wrote:
>is this it?
>http://www.ohlheiser.com/products/hitachi/l300pspecs.htm
Nope. That appears to be some of the equipment NASA is
sending to Mars for future use, if it survives the
"landing".
>though to tell the truth I still haven't a clue....
OK, I wanted to be out but being it's Bridger asking...,
The aforementioned machines looked at first blush like any
other planer. The "cutter head" is/was on top. The bed
(below/natch) looked more or less like any other planer.
The head held a flat cutter in a revolving fixture
(flat/parallel to the bed) with the sharp edge towards the
operator. Imagine a giant Stanley No. 3 fixed above a
table. The wood was introduced to the planer just like any
other planer, passed beneath the head and a shaving was
taken off the whole width. The operator could/would stand
there watching the shaving peel away. Imagine toilet paper
coming from the roll.
I think most of these machines were snatched up by luthiers
for obvious reasons.
The initial buzz was something along the lines of a machine
that produced a perfect finish but for conventional use
(someone planing/not needing veneers) the "waste" could be
something of a pain. Imagine all your planer shavings
having to be "rolled" up. Imagine the questions on
WreckWooddorking on how to dispose of this "waste".
It should be noted, both machines came equipped with long
infeed/outfeed table/rollers which I suspect had to be used
otherwise I suspect the feed wouldn't go right, i.e., the
motor is trying to force the board through a fixed knife, it
also didn't need to be trying to hold the cantilevered board
flat at the same time.
UA100, wishing he could see one in the wild when he has his
digi-pitcher taker...
Tom Watson wrote:
>OK Issue 38, January 1983, p94.
Weird. That's the same issue I cited showing the ads. Had
I only leafed a couple/few pages more.
>(tom wonders why fww can't get their shit together as far as indexes
>go since this was listed in neither the print index or the website
>index which i think sorta sucks and shows a lack of attention to
>detail that is pretty damned sad in a woodworking rag...)
I'm reading you 5 X 5 on this and I'm blaming Anatole
Burkin. I get no warm fuzzies from the guy.
UA100
UA100 complains:
>I'm reading you 5 X 5 on this and I'm blaming Anatole
>Burkin. I get no warm fuzzies from the guy.
Actually, Anatole is a good guy. Good questions at press conferences.
Charlie Self
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to. " Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
In article <[email protected]>,
Dan Parrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>I was asked that question today and couldn't come up with an intelligent
>answer since i don't know how it operates.My friend has the oppurtunity to
>buy a new planer which has only one blade in it for $299.00 and asked for an
>honest opinion. I told him it had to be junk. I can't see a single bladed
>planer lasting very long
>opinions? anyone?
>
>
A facitous answer: for dimensioning a Moebius strip.
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 00:56:56 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The article I remember had a picture and went into some
>detail.
OK, I found it, sort of.
In FWW On Woodworking Machines there is an article by Paul Bertorelli
called "Super Surfacers".
Goes into Makita LP 2501 and Hitachi FA-700. Since it was Bertorelli
it was prolly pre-1984 but I don't... (tom gets pissed and goes into
the stacks...)
OK Issue 38, January 1983, p94.
(tom wonders why fww can't get their shit together as far as indexes
go since this was listed in neither the print index or the website
index which i think sorta sucks and shows a lack of attention to
detail that is pretty damned sad in a woodworking rag...)
Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
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DexAZ wrote:
>>Anyone else remember something along like this?
Unisaw A100
>There was also a write up in Fine Wooddorking magazine. I
>want to say it was late 80's/early 90's.
I got a wild hair and thumbed through some Fine Wooddorkings
and guess what, OK, I didn't find the write up but I did
finds some ads from Issue 38 (Jan./Feb. 1983).
The Makita was the Model LP2501 which had a 9 3/4" width of
cut and 180 feet per minute feed rate.
The Hitachi was the Model F 8-700 which had a 9 27/32" width
of cut, a 1/8" max. cut and the blade shifted from 0 to 60
degrees.
No prices were given.
I Googled and came up empty.
UA100
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:50:22 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>DexAZ wrote:
>>>Anyone else remember something along like this?
>
>Unisaw A100
>>There was also a write up in Fine Wooddorking magazine. I
>>want to say it was late 80's/early 90's.
>
>
>I got a wild hair and thumbed through some Fine Wooddorkings
>and guess what, OK, I didn't find the write up but I did
>finds some ads from Issue 38 (Jan./Feb. 1983).
Try Issue 13, November 1978, p. 83.
Also search terms = "planers fixed knife".
aka "super surfacer".
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DexAZ wrote:
>Anyone else remember something along like this?
A'yup. It did indeed happen and if memory serves me Hitachi
also had one. They had a fixed blade set at an angle to the
table and would shave off a full thickness of veneer across
the width of the board. You might do a search of some of
the luthier (stringed instrument makers Leon) sites to see
if you can find a picture of one.
If this is indeed what the friend is looking at I'd snatch
it up at $299 and eBay it then take that money and buy a
brand new (insert lunch box planer here) and a brand new
(insert name of cabinet saw here). The left over proceeds
would probably go nicely towards the down payment on a new
shop building.
There was also a write up in Fine Wooddorking magazine. I
want to say it was late 80's/early 90's.
UA100
Gordon Airport wrote:
> Apart from being fixed-blade, there's also a slim chance that it has a
> rotating helical blade.
Whee! I'll bet *that* would be fun to sharpen!
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In article <[email protected]>,
Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> writes:
> The aforementioned machines looked at first blush like any
> other planer. The "cutter head" is/was on top. The bed
> (below/natch) looked more or less like any other planer.
[snip]
> UA100, wishing he could see one in the wild when he has his
> digi-pitcher taker...
In days of old when knights were bold ...
I saw one up close and personal at Pleasant St. Machinery
right here in river city (aka DeKalb, IL). The proprietor
was Ben Rock, estwhile purveyor of fine used machinery (okay,
some not so fine). Ben thought very highly of his goods, and
priced them accordingly. My memory is extremely hazy on details
here, but said machine was priced to sell somewhere in the 2K
range IIRC. I didn't get to see it "in action," but it did
make for an interesting trivia-type reply to the wreck when some
ignorant neanderthal claimed no motorized machine could plane
like a handplane. Silly savage. :)
--
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What brand/model is this thing? Seems I recall Makita or someone building
an odd machine some years ago. It had only one blade and, well, it was
basically a big powered PLANE, but not a planer. Remember seeing ads for it
but never found one at a retailer. May have been one of those ideas that
looked real good on the drawing board? Anyone else remember something along
like this?
DexAZ
"Dan Parrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was asked that question today and couldn't come up with an intelligent
> answer since i don't know how it operates.My friend has the oppurtunity to
> buy a new planer which has only one blade in it for $299.00 and asked for
an
> honest opinion. I told him it had to be junk. I can't see a single bladed
> planer lasting very long
> opinions? anyone?
>
>
yes george i'm sorry failed to mention that it is indeed a one bladed
thickness planer
"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dan Are we Talking Thickness Planer ???
> If so how do they get the head to be balanced,
> I have never heard of one, even with all the imports.
> I would stand back on this untill I knew more about the company and the
> dynamics of the unit,
>
> He can get the Ryobi at HD for I think 259.00
> Knock Ryobi all anyone wants to but they invented the benchtop planer with
> the AP10
> I just ran some 4/4 rough sawn mahogany thru the one that i have been
> torturing for at least
> 12 to 13 years maybe even longer.
> This machine is just to dumb to die. <G>
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> "Dan Parrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I was asked that question today and couldn't come up with an intelligent
> > answer since i don't know how it operates.My friend has the oppurtunity
to
> > buy a new planer which has only one blade in it for $299.00 and asked
for
> an
> > honest opinion. I told him it had to be junk. I can't see a single
bladed
> > planer lasting very long
> > opinions? anyone?
> >
> >
>
>
Out of curiousity I'm going to look at this thickness planer and give full
description of what i find
thanks for the help so far
Dan
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bridger wrote:
> >is this it?
> >http://www.ohlheiser.com/products/hitachi/l300pspecs.htm
>
> Nope. That appears to be some of the equipment NASA is
> sending to Mars for future use, if it survives the
> "landing".
>
> >though to tell the truth I still haven't a clue....
>
> OK, I wanted to be out but being it's Bridger asking...,
>
> The aforementioned machines looked at first blush like any
> other planer. The "cutter head" is/was on top. The bed
> (below/natch) looked more or less like any other planer.
>
> The head held a flat cutter in a revolving fixture
> (flat/parallel to the bed) with the sharp edge towards the
> operator. Imagine a giant Stanley No. 3 fixed above a
> table. The wood was introduced to the planer just like any
> other planer, passed beneath the head and a shaving was
> taken off the whole width. The operator could/would stand
> there watching the shaving peel away. Imagine toilet paper
> coming from the roll.
>
> I think most of these machines were snatched up by luthiers
> for obvious reasons.
>
> The initial buzz was something along the lines of a machine
> that produced a perfect finish but for conventional use
> (someone planing/not needing veneers) the "waste" could be
> something of a pain. Imagine all your planer shavings
> having to be "rolled" up. Imagine the questions on
> WreckWooddorking on how to dispose of this "waste".
>
> It should be noted, both machines came equipped with long
> infeed/outfeed table/rollers which I suspect had to be used
> otherwise I suspect the feed wouldn't go right, i.e., the
> motor is trying to force the board through a fixed knife, it
> also didn't need to be trying to hold the cantilevered board
> flat at the same time.
>
> UA100, wishing he could see one in the wild when he has his
> digi-pitcher taker...
Dan Parrell wrote:
>Out of curiousity I'm going to look at this thickness planer and give full
>description of what i find
Take down all information, no matter how insignificant it
may seem. Take a digital picture or two if you can.
Oh, and in case it wasn't/hasn't been brought up. could it
be a case of the machine has a two knife/three knife cutter
head and the current owner is too much of an idiot to
realize it needs/takes more?
Stranger things have/will happen.
>thanks for the help so far
Well, it does/did beat the hell out of most of the traffic
the wreck sees, but then that could just be me.
UA100
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:02:33 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gordon Airport wrote:
>
>> Apart from being fixed-blade, there's also a slim chance that it has a
>> rotating helical blade.
>
>Whee! I'll bet *that* would be fun to sharpen!
It's not that hard - you need the sort of tool and cutter grinder that
does big metalworking milling machine cutters. With that, and a dummy
block to mount it on, then it's no big deal.
Dan Are we Talking Thickness Planer ???
If so how do they get the head to be balanced,
I have never heard of one, even with all the imports.
I would stand back on this untill I knew more about the company and the
dynamics of the unit,
He can get the Ryobi at HD for I think 259.00
Knock Ryobi all anyone wants to but they invented the benchtop planer with
the AP10
I just ran some 4/4 rough sawn mahogany thru the one that i have been
torturing for at least
12 to 13 years maybe even longer.
This machine is just to dumb to die. <G>
George
"Dan Parrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was asked that question today and couldn't come up with an intelligent
> answer since i don't know how it operates.My friend has the oppurtunity to
> buy a new planer which has only one blade in it for $299.00 and asked for
an
> honest opinion. I told him it had to be junk. I can't see a single bladed
> planer lasting very long
> opinions? anyone?
>
>
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:50:22 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>DexAZ wrote:
>>>Anyone else remember something along like this?
>
>Unisaw A100
>>There was also a write up in Fine Wooddorking magazine. I
>>want to say it was late 80's/early 90's.
>
>
>I got a wild hair and thumbed through some Fine Wooddorkings
>and guess what, OK, I didn't find the write up but I did
>finds some ads from Issue 38 (Jan./Feb. 1983).
>
>The Makita was the Model LP2501 which had a 9 3/4" width of
>cut and 180 feet per minute feed rate.
>
>The Hitachi was the Model F 8-700 which had a 9 27/32" width
>of cut, a 1/8" max. cut and the blade shifted from 0 to 60
>degrees.
>
>No prices were given.
>
>I Googled and came up empty.
>
>UA100
is this it?
http://www.ohlheiser.com/products/hitachi/l300pspecs.htm
though to tell the truth I still haven't a clue....
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 15:56:25 -0330, Dan Parrell wrote:
> I was asked that question today and couldn't come up with an intelligent
> answer since i don't know how it operates.My friend has the oppurtunity to
> buy a new planer which has only one blade in it for $299.00 and asked for an
> honest opinion. I told him it had to be junk. I can't see a single bladed
> planer lasting very long
> opinions? anyone?
This is a trick question, right?
It doesn't cost a manufacturer that much to get things built correctly.
It's consumers always looking for what's cheap or deals that encourages
these manufacturers to put this garbage on the market. They'd be better
off making deliveries directly to landfills and saving store space for
real toys.
Tom Watson wrote:
>Try Issue 13, November 1978, p. 83.
That was a short write up on a luthiers get together where
the author made mention of seeing the machine in action. He
only called it out as "a Japanese machine". Remember that
this was back in the day when names like Makita and Hitachi
were just coming around and the Ryobi AP10 wasn't even on
the market. Oh, and Jet, you wouldn't wish one of those on
a syphilitic dog.
The article I remember had a picture and went into some
detail.
>Also search terms = "planers fixed knife".
>aka "super surfacer".
I'm off the case. I figure if it is the questioned planer
then it's up to the guy who brought up to speak up if he
wants more info.
UA100, who did subscribe to Fine Wooddorking with Issue 11
or 12 and cannot believe how time has flown...
Well, since the name of the game is CPI (cuts per inch) I suppose if the
feed was slow enough and the blade RPM was fast
enough...............................
Of course just how long a single blade doing all the work would last is a
good question.
But, with De Walt and Delta coming out with their new two speeds, throw in a
couple of bucks more and he can do a hell of a lot better with one of their
single machines.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Dan Parrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was asked that question today and couldn't come up with an intelligent
> answer since i don't know how it operates.My friend has the oppurtunity to
> buy a new planer which has only one blade in it for $299.00 and asked for
an
> honest opinion. I told him it had to be junk. I can't see a single bladed
> planer lasting very long
> opinions? anyone?
>
>
Speaking of which....
I have an old Crapsman power hand plane with a double helix blade.
Any idea how to sharpen this or if I can get a replacement cutter? I
can post a pic if neccessary....
Y
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:43:44 -0500, Gordon Airport <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Apart from being fixed-blade, there's also a slim chance that it has a
>rotating helical blade.