Layla Unplugged And Its Relation To WoodDorking

It can't be right. I wonder if Igor Stravinsky could fit into this
concept... Tom

De gustibus non disputandum, eh, Watson? Tom

Now listening to the band called Henry Cow, their "Legend" album. Check
it out, then maybe Stravinsky won't seem so much like "typing". It's
all relatively good. Tom, the Cultural Imperialist .

"That ain't poetry, that's typing"

I think that's what Capote said about James Baldwin

http://www.artistsnetwork.org/news10/news500.html

MJ Wallace

Woops! I just did the "google" thing and found out, that
yes Capote did say that, but it was about Jack Kerouac.

MJ Wallace

Tom Watson wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2005 19:42:50 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >De gustibus non disputandum
>
> The actual reference is from Cicero:

I don't think Cicero said this: do you have a loc? It may well be
classical, but I've wondered if this weren't some later invention, so I
should track it down--I'll start with you and Cicero.

> "De gustibus non disputandum est"
>
> Which translates directly to the unfortunate:
>
> "Of taste no dispute is."
>
> But which most acknowledge as:
>
> "There is no accounting for taste."
<snip>
> Watch out for the "est", it's verbal.

The literal translation is more like: "About tastes it must not be
argued", but since English is uncomfortable with impersonal
constructions, the old standbys "You can't argue about tastes" or
"There's no accounting for taste" are close enough.

"est" doesn't stand alone as the verb here either: it's part of the
(future passive) periphrastic "[disptuta]ndum est" construction which
denotes obligation or necessity. It (the "est") could also be gapped,
so what tom wrote would work fine too.

Don't mean to be picky, but hey, what else is a philologist good for?

H
...teaching Carroll's Laughin and Grief since '85

Rogatoy wrote:snip<Babyshambles.(What does Kate see in him?)
Uh, Kate who? Tom

Hey Tom,

Had to read your post a couple of times before I realized how my query
about the quote's source was misunderstood. What I meant, and could
have been clearer about, was that I don't think Cicero says this at all
in any of his works, whether invented by him or quoted by him from some
earlier writer. That's why I wondered if you happened to have a
location (citation) for that quote in Cicero. That would clear it up
for me.

About gapping verbs: classical Latin is more comfortable dropping any
form of the verb "to be" than we, but we can still do it as I just did;
nevertheless, I can understand a philosopher's reticence to allow it.
In general, though, English too gaps verbs all over the place, as do
you:

*The very first sentence of your post to which I respond now, "My
vaguest apologies but..." Two modifiers and a noun [no verb] followed
by a coordinating conjunction with a new independent clause.
*Earlier in this thread: "...as do many confirmed Normites, as they
age." ["become unplugged," from the prior clause]
*From "Old John" thread: "OldJohn." "The laugh of a truly happy man."
"yet so full of good feeling." ["he seemed" gapped from prior clause],
"And so we did," ["walk", gapped from prior sentence]

"I would also argue your parsing of the phrase into English, as mine
admired the natural translation of the elements and yours transcribed
rather than translated. "

A "natural translation of the elements"? Admirably slippery, and not
quite the same as "translates directly". Regardless, you're shooting
your own argument in the foot, to mix metaphors: you first restore the
"est" then circumcise the periphrastic form "disputandum est", making
the future participial half into a noun then exile the "est". Ends up
not meaning (whether parsed, translated or transcribed) the same
thing--or more realistically, not meaning as close to the original as
other [parsings, translations, transcriptions] ready at hand.

"Then too, there is the matter that the Latin is a derivative of the
Greek,...."

Well, only in the broadest of senses. Hellenists might chuckle, but
Romanists would rankle. It would be no different to assert that English
is derivative of French.

To, or not to, that the question,
H
who may have already fallen asleep.

ps: did you write on "esse" in the Summa as an undergratuate? di tibi
propter nimis laborem parcant!

hylourgos wrote:
> Hey Tom,
>
> Had to read your post a couple of times before I realized how my query
> about the quote's source was misunderstood. What I meant, and could
> have been clearer about, was that I don't think Cicero says this at all
> in any of his works, whether invented by him or quoted by him from some
> earlier writer. That's why I wondered if you happened to have a
> location (citation) for that quote in Cicero. That would clear it up
> for me.
>
> About gapping verbs: classical Latin is more comfortable dropping any
> form of the verb "to be" than we, but we can still do it as I just did;
> nevertheless, I can understand a philosopher's reticence to allow it.
> In general, though, English too gaps verbs all over the place, as do
> you:
>
> *The very first sentence of your post to which I respond now, "My
> vaguest apologies but..." Two modifiers and a noun [no verb] followed
> by a coordinating conjunction with a new independent clause.
> *Earlier in this thread: "...as do many confirmed Normites, as they
> age." ["become unplugged," from the prior clause]
> *From "Old John" thread: "OldJohn." "The laugh of a truly happy man."
> "yet so full of good feeling." ["he seemed" gapped from prior clause],
> "And so we did," ["walk", gapped from prior sentence]
>
> "I would also argue your parsing of the phrase into English, as mine
> admired the natural translation of the elements and yours transcribed
> rather than translated. "
>
> A "natural translation of the elements"? Admirably slippery, and not
> quite the same as "translates directly". Regardless, you're shooting
> your own argument in the foot, to mix metaphors: you first restore the
> "est" then circumcise the periphrastic form "disputandum est", making
> the future participial half into a noun then exile the "est". Ends up
> not meaning (whether parsed, translated or transcribed) the same
> thing--or more realistically, not meaning as close to the original as
> other [parsings, translations, transcriptions] ready at hand.
>
> "Then too, there is the matter that the Latin is a derivative of the
> Greek,...."
>
> Well, only in the broadest of senses. Hellenists might chuckle, but
> Romanists would rankle. It would be no different to assert that English
> is derivative of French.
>
> To, or not to, that the question,
> H
> who may have already fallen asleep.
>
> ps: did you write on "esse" in the Summa as an undergratuate? di tibi
> propter nimis laborem parcant! Dang! And I was just gonna say he had a pretty mouth! Tom

Yes, "Pulchramos", that's what we'll call him from now on...and
pulcherrimos when he writes something *really* pretty.

H.
...foolishly proud of his Neolatinogisms, given how late it is.

Yes, "Pulchramos", that's what we'll call him from now on...and
pulcherrimos when he writes something *really* pretty.

H.
...foolishly proud of his Neolatinogisms, given how late it is.

charlie b wrote:

snip

<<The unplugged version is the expression
of an older, more experienced man, the rough edges ground down
a bit by life. >>

snip
<<The newbie knows only of tailed tools >>
snip

Seems a bit narrow minded to me. Not much allowance at all for
personal preference.

I am wondering if we should tell BB King to throw the well tailed
Lucille in the river and pick up a Martin. I am not sure at 80 he
would be considered a noob...

Les Paul... tailed
Chet Atkins (don't even snicker until you have really explored this
man's work)... tailed
Jeff Beck... tailed
Dickie Betts... tailed
Mike Bloomfield... tailed
Jerry Garcia... tailed

Hope these guys can forge a place in today's music. And there are so
many others that hammer (or hammered) away on those damn electrics
their whole long lives(feeling their teenage angst?) like Keith
Richards, George Benson, Slash, Joe Perry, Sonny Boy Rollins, T Bone
Walker at least part time... maybe not full time... so there could be
hope for them, too if they are still with us.

For me, I like it all, and if they find a way to do a more mellow
version of a song they like themselves, I think that is fine. I don't
want to read too much into it. You know, like "the Walrus is Paul" and
"did you notice they are all barefoot". I try to take it as it is,
another piece of music from the artist.

Robert

No problem Tom, as that last bit of Latin was meant to convey: if
you've done any Latin in the Summa, you've done enough--god bless you
my son, and go in peace.

Hey, I wonder if George Thorogood was riffing on Liston:

"Everybody funny. Now you funny too."

Cheers,
H.
...with regrets if 20 yrs. of teaching Latin grammar has made me anal
enough to rant about it--in the Wreck of all places.

Ha! I should've known you'd pipe in with that observation. Tom's right,
of course, in a broad cultural-language sense. [??Phoenician, Linear
A/B??] >> Greek >> Latin >> Italian >> (OK, this parentage might be
more of an incestuous sorority than a parentage) French >> English,
with lots of paramours between each illicit union. We are all bastard
children, linguistically.

Being in the southern US states, I am especially so, but having spent
substantial time on Harker's Isle (where they still spoke/speak closer
to Elizabethan English than anywhere else on earth, supposedly), I feel
pure...

...not,
H.

Tom:

> This Capote that you speak about, was he a writer?
>

Oh, I get it, funny! Yeah he was a writer! (I'll leave
the book names up to you search out!). And, if you
need the condensed version - there's a current movie
playing in some cities about his blockbuster book.

His actual quote was:

"That's not writing, that's typing".

Truman was referring to Keroac's "On the road". The one he wrote
on a single roll of paper over 3 weeks.

MJ Wallace

Why, WS and KJV, of course.

Hi,
Being new, my first ever post, I'll try to make it short.

When Clapton is good, it is a wonderful thing.
When he's not, well, he's not.
I suspect anyone who can combine two different styles of woodworking or
music,
has the potential of beautiful work. In my own experience though, if I
don't stay focused on the overall end product, I lose my place and
either end up making a mistake or abandoning
a project all together.
Could Clapton have been just filling out his obligations to a record
deal or his debtors when
he was obviously not up to his regular high standard?
Sometimes the old tools give me a chance to escape the noise and the
pressure of tight
scheduling commonly associated with my real job in the construction
industry. Likewise,
Unplugged music gives artists like Clapton a chance to express the
evolving of his soul
through the relaxed atmosphere created by the lack of tails and
switches and control
boards, etc.
Less pressure = more time to be creative and reflective. Isn't that why
artists of all sorts go far away from their normal living conditions to
get focused? Is my shop out back far enough
away to bring out the best work I am capable of? I guarantee you when
the dust collector is on or the shop vac is screaming in my ears. I am
not aware of the person who is about to touch me and scare the living
$#!+ out of me!

.02 from a new guy.




mac davis wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:19:41 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
> >news:[email protected]:
> >
> >> It's an easy one for me... if it's Clapton, it's all good...
> >
> >Surely you're joking. The Phil Collins produced albums are pure
> >drek, not worth the energy it takes to throw them in the trash.
> >
> >John
>
> It's a subjective thing, John.. that's why they make stain in more than one
> color...
>
>
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing

Robatoy, if you are still following this, my first company was house
framing and cornice work. I had worked for a commercial contractor for
about 2 1/2 years on restaurants, office finish outs, and some
residential work before starting out. I thought I would get
opportunities at better jobs, but apparently a 21 year old in bidness
for himself wasn't awe inspiring to many of those with work. House
framing/cornice/trim outs were all I could find.

But it was good. I felt free and alive to be on top of a 2 1/2 story
roof finishing by the deadline for the week's draw cutoff, a cigarette
hanging out of my mouth, tan, in great shape, shirtless, and screaming

"I'm Rael!! And >>>I<<<, I'm not full of shit!!"

every time it struck me to do so.

No money, no business experience, no women problems, had to skip a few
meals which meant >no gut<, no phone, and damn few worries. Put the
speakers out on the hood of my old truck, fired up the Craig, and went
to it. Sigh. Those were the days.

Like the ref to Al Dimeola. Saw him in Austin in '76, and could SWEAR
he had an extra hand somewhere playing with him. I have never heard
before or since an guitarist play so many notes so accurately. It was
mind boggling.

Robert

How many of the artists humping unplugged versions of the hits that made
them famous would still be famous if they had peddled the lame acoustic
versions first?

Tom Watson wrote:
> So, my buddy asked me to burn him a CD and specifically asked that
> both versions of Layla be on it.
>
> I had not listened to them back to back in a long time.
>
> Being a WoodDorker, I became enamored of the differences between the
> two.
>
> You have the Normish Layla, which depends on huge amounts of
> 'Lecktricity and brute force - and then you have the Galootish Layla,
> which depends on subtlety and expression.
>
> As a concept, it was working for me pretty good.
>
> So, I'm thinking to myself - Normites are more like Rock and Roll and
> Galoots are more like Folk Music.
>
> Nah, that couldn't be right.
>
> I couldn't imagine Patrick Leach singing Kum-Ba-Ya anymore than I
> could imagine Norm singing almost anything from Cream (maybe the
> Grateful Dead - workingman's dead album).
>
> So, where does that leave me?
>
> I have come to believe, through the salvific power of music, that
> Galoots and Normites are the same people, as Clapton is the same
> person when he sings either the Electric Layla or the Unplugged Layla.
>
> It is worthy of note that Clapton took a good long time to become
> unplugged, as do many confirmed Normites, as they age.
>
> But, they are the same being.
>
> So, we not be not either Normites or Galoots, as Clapton does not need
> be either a Rock and Roller or a Folky - we may enjoy the multiplicity
> of our expressions of WoodDorking, without fearing that we need to
> fall in one or another of the major camps.
>
> If Clapton can handle it, so can we.
>
>
> Damn, I'm glad that we finally settled that.
>
>
>
> Tom Watson - WoodDorker
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)

On 1 Dec 2005 21:01:08 -0800, "hylourgos" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Tom Watson wrote:
>> On 1 Dec 2005 19:42:50 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >De gustibus non disputandum
>>
>> The actual reference is from Cicero:
>
>I don't think Cicero said this: do you have a loc? It may well be
>classical, but I've wondered if this weren't some later invention, so I
>should track it down--I'll start with you and Cicero.
>
>> "De gustibus non disputandum est"
>>
>> Which translates directly to the unfortunate:
>>
>> "Of taste no dispute is."
>>
>> But which most acknowledge as:
>>
>> "There is no accounting for taste."
><snip>
>> Watch out for the "est", it's verbal.
>
>The literal translation is more like: "About tastes it must not be
>argued", but since English is uncomfortable with impersonal
>constructions, the old standbys "You can't argue about tastes" or
>"There's no accounting for taste" are close enough.
>
>"est" doesn't stand alone as the verb here either: it's part of the
>(future passive) periphrastic "[disptuta]ndum est" construction which
>denotes obligation or necessity. It (the "est") could also be gapped,
>so what tom wrote would work fine too.
>
>Don't mean to be picky, but hey, what else is a philologist good for?
>
>H
>...teaching Carroll's Laughin and Grief since '85

My vaguest apologies but the Latin that I was taught was not admiring
of the included verb.

As the reference was to Cicero, I would think that his full expression
would be worthy of the quote.

As an oldish Philosophy Major, I would argue that a sentence without
an expressed verb is a nasty piece of work, particularly since I spent
much of my undergraduate time arguing the merits and definition of
"est".

Even without reference to Summa Theologica, or, indeed, Philosophica,
the importance of "est" is enshrined in both Latin Grammar and Latin
Literature, of which I am sure you are more than passing familiar.

I would also argue your parsing of the phrase into English, as mine
admired the natural translation of the elements and yours transcribed
rather than translated.

Then too, there is the matter that the Latin is a derivative of the
Greek, which I am sure you know, as it would be a commonplace of your
professional life.

But, who then is the attribution?

Who then was Cicero fond of quoting?


(watson - who has had more than enough Grief to last a lifetime)


(sorry, just having a bit of fun before going to sleep)



Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)

John McCoy wrote:


>> It's an easy one for me... if it's Clapton, it's all good...
>
> Surely you're joking. The Phil Collins produced albums are pure
> drek, not worth the energy it takes to throw them in the trash.


Amen, brother!

--
Cheers,
Rob

The plugged in version is full of the amplified passion and pain of
a young inexperienced man. The unplugged version is the expression
of an older, more experienced man, the rough edges ground down
a bit by life.

But some of Clapton's songs can only be "plugged in" - the gutiar
riff at the end of Holy Mother just wouldn't/ couldn't convey the
anguish and pain, or the plea for relief. If I Saw You In Heaven
has to be acoustic. After Midnite unplugged would be sleep
inducing.

The newbie knows only of tailed tools and the dust collector
and ear plugs that go with them. The intermediate becomes
awayre of hand tools and the mystique that is attributed to
their use. The experienced wood basher knows enough about
enough to know which to use when. The fanatic uses one or
the other and misses the benefits of each.

Only Clapton and Leon Russel can get an instrument to
drawl (sp?).

charlie b

as for acoustic versions of earlier works being lame
- a jazz pianist named Buddy Satan had just started
a fifteen minute break when a drunk yelled "Hey
Buddy. I don't hear nothing!" Buddy's over the shoulder
reply "You're not listening."

Robert

you left out Joe Satriani! And a much overlooked
Pat Simmons of the Doobie Bros. Peter Grant,
an unheralded studio musician who can play
anything with strings on it AND get sounds you
didn't know existed this side of heaven - tailed
or untailed. Montoya and Segovia?

Must admit, I bless AND curse Les Paul. It's
very rare to find an artist and an engineer
in the same brain.

charlie b

On 1 Dec 2005 19:42:50 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:

>De gustibus non disputandum


The actual reference is from Cicero:

"De gustibus non disputandum est"

Which translates directly to the unfortunate:

"Of taste no dispute is."

But which most acknowledge as:

"There is no accounting for taste."

(watson - who is now listening to Satchmo's, "Mack The Knife")

Watch out for the "est", it's verbal.


Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:23:02 -0500, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
scribbled:

>Then too, there is the matter that the Latin is a derivative of the
>Greek,

Saying that Latin is a derivative of Greek is like saying that English
is a derivative Italian. (I was going to say French, but English is a
derivative of French, at least a large part of its vocabulary).

Ludovicus Johannax

Someone suggested that the unplugged After Midnight would not be good. JJ
Cale (original author( did a killer version.
max

> mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> It's an easy one for me... if it's Clapton, it's all good...
>
> Surely you're joking. The Phil Collins produced albums are pure
> drek, not worth the energy it takes to throw them in the trash.
>
> John

Tom Watson wrote:

> So, my buddy asked me to burn him a CD and specifically asked that
> both versions of Layla be on it.
>
> I had not listened to them back to back in a long time.
>
> Being a WoodDorker, I became enamored of the differences between the
> two.
>
> You have the Normish Layla, which depends on huge amounts of
> 'Lecktricity and brute force - and then you have the Galootish Layla,
> which depends on subtlety and expression.
>
> As a concept, it was working for me pretty good.
>
> So, I'm thinking to myself - Normites are more like Rock and Roll and
> Galoots are more like Folk Music.
>
> Nah, that couldn't be right.
>
> I couldn't imagine Patrick Leach singing Kum-Ba-Ya anymore than I
> could imagine Norm singing almost anything from Cream (maybe the
> Grateful Dead - workingman's dead album).
>
> So, where does that leave me?
>
> I have come to believe, through the salvific power of music, that
> Galoots and Normites are the same people, as Clapton is the same
> person when he sings either the Electric Layla or the Unplugged Layla.
>
> It is worthy of note that Clapton took a good long time to become
> unplugged, as do many confirmed Normites, as they age.
>
> But, they are the same being.
>
> So, we not be not either Normites or Galoots, as Clapton does not need
> be either a Rock and Roller or a Folky - we may enjoy the multiplicity
> of our expressions of WoodDorking, without fearing that we need to
> fall in one or another of the major camps.
>
> If Clapton can handle it, so can we.
>
>
> Damn, I'm glad that we finally settled that.
>
>
>
> Tom Watson - WoodDorker
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)

Speaking of Eric Clapton, he and his cohorts of Cream are showing up on my
local PBS weekly pledge drive. When I listen to Cream I have say those
three guys,(Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce) were the best at
their craft. The music it timeless!

Rich
--
"you can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> It's an easy one for me... if it's Clapton, it's all good...

Surely you're joking. The Phil Collins produced albums are pure
drek, not worth the energy it takes to throw them in the trash.

John

In article <[email protected]>,
John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > It's an easy one for me... if it's Clapton, it's all good...
>
> Surely you're joking. The Phil Collins produced albums are pure
> drek, not worth the energy it takes to throw them in the trash.
>
> John

One of my most played DVD's is Clapton at Hyde Park. Having said that,
Clapton has also done some pretty awful stuff. Overall, I think he's
overrated.
Selling England By The Pound is one of my favourite albums. When I
listen to it, I can't believe that Phil Collins is in that band.
Rutherford's and Gabriel's careers certainly have shown to me where the
talent was. Collins is just a blob of warm plastic slithering along on
heavy digital delay-lines. Manilow has more personality/talent.

Music For Montserrat really shows how small a 'talent' Collins really
is. When you got Clapton, Sting and Knopfler in front of you, you'd
figure he'd rise to the occasion...but noooo.. he barely gets by. Good
thing Ray Cooper was there to bail him out. (Talk about a giant)

My 2 cents

In article <[email protected]>,
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Rogatoy wrote:snip<Babyshambles.(What does Kate see in him?)
> Uh, Kate who? Tom

Moss

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> And there are so
> many others that hammer (or hammered) away on those damn electrics
> their whole long lives(feeling their teenage angst?) like Keith
> Richards, George Benson, Slash, Joe Perry, Sonny Boy Rollins, T Bone
> Walker at least part time... maybe not full time... so there could be
> hope for them, too if they are still with us.

Looking for:
Klug
Vaughn J
Vaughn SR
Dale
Beck (Jeff)
Vai
DiMiola
Knopfler
Moore (Gary)
a few Johnsons
the list is endless.

Oh... and there are a few people who aren't sure Sarah McLachlan can
play. Listen to her covering Beatles' Blackbird.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009V7VA/qid=1133542625/sr=2-2
> /ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-4548948-7774456?v=glance&s=music

That'd be the one..'cept I ripped from the DVD, which is a hoot. Cindy Lauper's
contribution alone is worth the price of admission.

In article <[email protected]>,
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Now listening to the band called Henry Cow, their "Legend" album. Check
> it out, then maybe Stravinsky won't seem so much like "typing". It's
> all relatively good. Tom, the Cultural Imperialist .

Was....

Killamangiro [sic] by Babyshambles. (What does Kate see in him?)

Now listening to:

Bei Mir Bist Du Schön by the Flying Neutrinos

fade to

Van Morrison singing Comfortably Numb (live The Wall, Berlin).. if you
haven't heard it...find it. Just f*ucking awesome... Danko & Levon doing
back-up vocals, can you diggit?

In article <[email protected]>,
"hylourgos" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Elizabethan English

I don't know why she's the standard. After all, who died and made her queen, huh?

This?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009V7VA/qid=1133542625/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-4548948-7774456?v=glance&s=music

>
> Van Morrison singing Comfortably Numb (live The Wall, Berlin).. if you
> haven't heard it...find it. Just f*ucking awesome... Danko & Levon doing
> back-up vocals, can you diggit?

On 1 Dec 2005 20:35:14 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>"That ain't poetry, that's typing"
>
>I think that's what Capote said about James Baldwin
>
>http://www.artistsnetwork.org/news10/news500.html
>
>MJ Wallace


This Capote that you speak about, was he a writer?

(watson - who hopes that irony is not entirely dead)


Tom Watson - WoodDorker
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:19:41 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> It's an easy one for me... if it's Clapton, it's all good...
>
>Surely you're joking. The Phil Collins produced albums are pure
>drek, not worth the energy it takes to throw them in the trash.
>
>John

It's a subjective thing, John.. that's why they make stain in more than one
color...


mac

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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:22:21 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
Robatoy <[email protected]> quickly quoth:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009V7VA/qid=1133542625/sr=2-2
>> /ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-4548948-7774456?v=glance&s=music
>
>That'd be the one..'cept I ripped from the DVD, which is a hoot. Cindy Lauper's
>contribution alone is worth the price of admission.

Amazon's short audio track doesn't do it justice, I guess.
I was curious how she was doing (I adored both her and Liz Peña
in "Vibes") and hit www.cyndilauper.com . The first song
(automatically loaded with the website) is a bit loud but the second,
Above the Clouds, is GREAT! It doesn't have nearly as much of that
sharp edge she sings with, KWIM,V? She still looks great, too, doesn't
she? Fun gal, that.


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On 1 Dec 2005 22:37:41 -0800, "hylourgos" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hey Tom,
>

<snip of good rant>

I wish I'd been able to stay up and bat that around some more, H. but
I was too sleepy.

One of my favorite sans verb quotes is from Sonny Liston:

"People funny. Life a funny thing."

He's one guy I'd never question about usage.



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On 1 Dec 2005 19:04:04 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:

>It can't be right. I wonder if Igor Stravinsky could fit into this
>concept... Tom


Leopold Stokowski is prolly the only dude that could make him speaka
da same english.

Dude had the Philly Band when it was full of wild people, all wanting
to be first chair bubba and he had the character and musical sense to
create the greatest band that any of god's children have ever heard.

If'n you ain't heard Big B's Fifth done by the Philly band under
Leopold, you ain't really ever heard it.

Stravinski reminds me of what Hemingway said about ee cummings:

"That ain't poetry, that's typing."


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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:24:31 -0500, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:

>So, my buddy asked me to burn him a CD and specifically asked that
>both versions of Layla be on it.
>
>I had not listened to them back to back in a long time.
>
>Being a WoodDorker, I became enamored of the differences between the
>two.
>
>You have the Normish Layla, which depends on huge amounts of
>'Lecktricity and brute force - and then you have the Galootish Layla,
>which depends on subtlety and expression.
>
>As a concept, it was working for me pretty good.
>
>So, I'm thinking to myself - Normites are more like Rock and Roll and
>Galoots are more like Folk Music.
>
>Nah, that couldn't be right.
>
>I couldn't imagine Patrick Leach singing Kum-Ba-Ya anymore than I
>could imagine Norm singing almost anything from Cream (maybe the
>Grateful Dead - workingman's dead album).
>
>So, where does that leave me?
>
>I have come to believe, through the salvific power of music, that
>Galoots and Normites are the same people, as Clapton is the same
>person when he sings either the Electric Layla or the Unplugged Layla.
>
>It is worthy of note that Clapton took a good long time to become
>unplugged, as do many confirmed Normites, as they age.
>
>But, they are the same being.
>
>So, we not be not either Normites or Galoots, as Clapton does not need
>be either a Rock and Roller or a Folky - we may enjoy the multiplicity
>of our expressions of WoodDorking, without fearing that we need to
>fall in one or another of the major camps.
>
>If Clapton can handle it, so can we.
>
>
>Damn, I'm glad that we finally settled that.
>
>
>
>Tom Watson - WoodDorker
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Tom... I think that you have WAY too much time on your hands.. *lol*

It's an easy one for me... if it's Clapton, it's all good...


now go out there and make a cd holder for your friend..


mac

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