On 20 Apr 2004 05:11:50 -0700, [email protected] (Conan the Librarian)
brought forth from the murky depths:
>[email protected] (J T) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> http://www.sparwood.bc.ca/look%20what%20the%20did%20to%20our%20truck/beetle.jpg.html
>> VW truck, in case anyone want to do some wood hauling. VW is noted for
>> its economy. I want one.
>
> Me too. SWMBO and I drove through Sparwood (tiny town in British
>Columbia, Canuckistan, Paddy) once and I got to stand beneath that
>sucker. Screw those little Hummers, I want to drive that baby in
>Austin rush hour traffic.
I'd much rather have a Mog. It can be driven on the street.
http://www.unimog.net/ The green flatbed'll do, but I'd hate
to see what a windshield costs...
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(Larry=A0Jaques) mutters:
I'd much rather have a Mog. It can be driven on the street. <snip>
Well, Hell, if you're gonna wimp out with something street legal,
might's well get something decent.
http://www.ferretscoutcar.info/
JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown
J T <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.sparwood.bc.ca/look%20what%20the%20did%20to%20our%20truck/beetl
> e.jpg.html VW truck, in case anyone want to do some wood hauling. VW is
> noted for its economy. I want one.
Hey now, verrrrrry funny. Haven't checked recently, but I believe that
they are still making PUs in South Africa.
www.vw.co.za
If the chatter among dubsters is accurate. It is the plant that was
located in New Jersey, which was shipped to Yugoslavia and then moved to
SA when all the war stuff started back when.
On one list, a wife of a brit soldier claimed that her husband was
allowed to purchase one and have the tax waived and that the cost was
around 4,000 dollars for a new one. I want two.
Come to think of it, they had a Fox version of a PU somewhere in South
America. A country that speaks Portugese... Brazil?
Phil Hansen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hey now, verrrrrry funny. Haven't checked recently, but I believe that
> > they are still making PUs in South Africa.
> >
> > www.vw.co.za
> The only VW bakkie ( I suppose PU to you) we have here is a varient of
> the Golf 1 (1600 or 1800 cc).
I had one. I wish I had another. What's the rough price of one?
So what's the translation of 'bakkie'?
> Economical and load space is I think a bit smaller than the average SWB.
> Popular though.
> BTW SA exports VW vehicles to UK and the rest of Europe and also exports
> BMW and Mercs to numerous countries.
> So what's so funny?
The thread started with an edited picture of a new beetle.
On 20 Apr 2004 18:41:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>bad for them. If you've got enough energy to be thrown any distance
>from a crash, that's an awful lot of hurt that's gonna happen when you
>land...
A high school acquaintance was killed when the ex-State Police Crown
Vic Interceptor he crashed in "threw him clear", then landed on him.
They didn't find the body until the wrecker pulled the car out of the
woods. The on-scene folks didn't know there were three people in the
car. All EMS and fire folks had already left the scene, the wrecker
driver got to find the body.
The other two occupants of the car were found wedged, ground beef
style, under the dashboard and steering column. Nobody had a seat
belt on. The passenger compartment was relatively intact. They
probably would have still been badly injured, but very possibly alive.
Barry
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 20 Apr 2004 17:12:41 GMT, Hitch <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Dreadfully underpowered tho.
> >
> > A motorcycle is safer, because there's a small chance you can
> > be thrown clear.
>
> Not sure how you think that's a good thing; in every accident I've
> responded to where someone was "thrown clear" it's been very, very
> bad for them. If you've got enough energy to be thrown any distance
> from a crash, that's an awful lot of hurt that's gonna happen when you
> land...
lol ya i love it when people talk about how safe it is to be 'thrown clear'.
often its the same people who claim that youll get stuck in your car if you
wear seatbelts. they too seem not to realize that if there was enough energy
to trap you in the car, and jam the seat belt, and somehow put you in a
position that you really cant get out, that without the belt you would
simply be hamburger on the windshield.
randy
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:59:11 GMT, "Wood Butcher" <[email protected]>
scribbled:
>Scheiße Wagon did make trucks in the 50's & 60's.
>check out
>http://www.dropgates.com/
>They had a nice feature where you could drop the tailgate and
>both sides to make it a flatbed.
>Dreadfully underpowered tho.
Hey, my father had one of those whne he had a millwork shop back in
the late 50s. (OBWW)
Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
[email protected] (J T) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> http://www.sparwood.bc.ca/look%20what%20the%20did%20to%20our%20truck/beetle.jpg.html
> VW truck, in case anyone want to do some wood hauling. VW is noted for
> its economy. I want one.
Me too. SWMBO and I drove through Sparwood (tiny town in British
Columbia, Canuckistan, Paddy) once and I got to stand beneath that
sucker. Screw those little Hummers, I want to drive that baby in
Austin rush hour traffic.
Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) Go ahead ... try to cut me off.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
... snip
>
> I'm not saying seatbelts are a bad thing, just that I don't
> like sleazy phrasing tricks used to support what should be
> supportable by good solid evidence.
>
... agree with you 100% The older I get, the more the PSA's on radio
and/or TV just really get under my skin. AZ's anti-smoking ads almost
make me want to go out and buy a carton of cigarettes just because the
ads are so stupid and annoying.
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.
>
>
>
>
Mark & Juanita responds:
>> I'm not saying seatbelts are a bad thing, just that I don't
>> like sleazy phrasing tricks used to support what should be
>> supportable by good solid evidence.
>>
>
> ... agree with you 100% The older I get, the more the PSA's on radio
>and/or TV just really get under my skin. AZ's anti-smoking ads almost
>make me want to go out and buy a carton of cigarettes just because the
>ads are so stupid and annoying.
Not quite that bad--it was too damned hard for me to quit smoking--but the no
talent kids who c-rap about not smoking, the stupid grin in close-up of one
creepy looking girl in another...talent free and irritating in general.
Charlie Self
"Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a
left." Ambrose Bierce
Wed, Apr 21, 2004, 2:45am (EDT+4) From: [email protected]
(Mark=A0&=A0Juanita) says:
=A0=A0=A0=A0... agree with you 100% The older I get, the more the PSA's
on radio and/or TV just really get under my skin. AZ's anti-smoking ads
almost make me want to go out and buy a carton of cigarettes just
because the ads are so stupid and annoying.
Can't agree on the cigarettes part, never want to start that again.
But for the rest, makes me just want to slap a few of them, and tell
them not to be so stupid.
It's like they asked a batch of 8 YOs what would make people stop
smoking, then filmed it. And, it isn't just the smoking ads, its skin
cancer, car ads, in short amost every ad there is.
JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown
JOAT notes:
>
> Can't agree on the cigarettes part, never want to start that again.
>But for the rest, makes me just want to slap a few of them, and tell
>them not to be so stupid.
>It's like they asked a batch of 8 YOs what would make people stop
>smoking, then filmed it. And, it isn't just the smoking ads, its skin
>cancer, car ads, in short amost every ad there is.
I was moaning to my wife last night about the huge influx of diagnostic medical
ads for Nexium, Viagra and its counterparts, Celebrex and Vioxx and similar
stuff, plus a whole lot of heart medicines, allergy medications and other crap
and non-crap. Some of it is great, some of it isn't, and none of it needs to be
advertised on TV. Sitting there chomping on a chop and an ad for Depends pops
up. Next up, Ensure (this stuff is NASTY...I tried it when my mother was ill a
long time ago) as a dietary supplement (read the label: it is an education on
what marketing does to overcome nutritional science). Then laxatives up
the...well, you get the idea.
By that time, I've finished eating (the blessings of being raised by an RN) and
am reading a book and the idjit box is silent.
Charlie Self
"Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a
left." Ambrose Bierce
Wed, Apr 21, 2004, 11:07am (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Charlie=A0Self) says:
<snip> and other crap and non-crap. <snip>
One of the real brainiacs writing commericals, for me, is the one
that wrote the ad for sleeping pills. They list the side-effects - one
of which is, drowsiness.
JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown
JOAT responds:
>
>Wed, Apr 21, 2004, 11:07am (EDT+4) [email protected]
>(Charlie=A0Self) says:
><snip> and other crap and non-crap. <snip>
>
> One of the real brainiacs writing commericals, for me, is the one
>that wrote the ad for sleeping pills. They list the side-effects - one
>of which is, drowsiness.
>
Yes, well, think of this: the odds are excellent that moron is making 150K a
year or more.
Charlie Self
"Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a
left." Ambrose Bierce
In article <1gcjuth.1r3i1gn1xncj7N%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Hey now, verrrrrry funny. Haven't checked recently, but I believe that
> they are still making PUs in South Africa.
>
> www.vw.co.za
The only VW bakkie ( I suppose PU to you) we have here is a varient of
the Golf 1 (1600 or 1800 cc).
Economical and load space is I think a bit smaller than the average SWB.
Popular though.
BTW SA exports VW vehicles to UK and the rest of Europe and also exports
BMW and Mercs to numerous countries.
So what's so funny?
--
Phillip Hansen
Skil-Phil Solutions
In article <1gcr7ne.rvzwis1d2oj4sN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Phil Hansen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I had one. I wish I had another. What's the rough price of one?
About R140000 which is about $20000
> So what's the translation of 'bakkie'?
A bak is a container. (Afrikaans)
Bakkie is diminutive so small container. Common name for anything with
an open load area.
>
> The thread started with an edited picture of a new beetle.
OK, didn't see that <G>
--
Phillip Hansen
Skil-Phil Solutions
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:
>Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Some years ago, a state trooper wrote to Ann Landers, to encourage people to
>> wear seat belts, after having been at the scene of yet another fatal crash. He
>> said that in over 20 years on the force, he had assisted at hundreds of
>> accidents, many of them fatal, and he's had to cut seat many belts to help
>> people get out of their wrecked cars, but, he said, "I have *never* removed a
>> seat belt from a corpse."
Actually, this was quoted from the public safety film "Room to Live".
The guy in the film is a trooper who personally makes the statement in
the film.
In "Room to Live II", an updated version, he admits that he did ONCE
unbuckle a dead person. They had been hit from behind by an umbrella
that was on the rear dashboard. He then segues into a segment about
loose articles in the passenger compartment.
We used to have to watch these films yearly in corporate safety
meetings. <G>
Barry
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Some years ago, a state trooper wrote to Ann Landers, to encourage
people to
> > wear seat belts, after having been at the scene of yet another fatal
crash. He
> > said that in over 20 years on the force, he had assisted at hundreds of
> > accidents, many of them fatal, and he's had to cut seat many belts to
help
> > people get out of their wrecked cars, but, he said, "I have *never*
removed a
> > seat belt from a corpse."
>
> Of course not, the troopers let the EMT or Coroner do that.
>
> Sorry, but that always seemed like a bogus statement to me.
> Even when it was being used in the buckle-up campaigns on TV
> some years ago, before that letter to Ann Landers I might add.
> True on the surface, but silly if examined closely. They are
> trying to give the impression that no one ever died with a
> seat belt on, which is patently absurd.
well if you put anything under a big enough microscope it falls apart. the
one that always bothered me is the 'you are (pick a number between 2 and 10)
times as likely to get in an accident within (choose a small number) miles
of home. what they fail to mention is that you spend 100 times as much time
driving in that area so on a per mile basis , you are actually less likely
to get in an accident when driving close to home.
which still doesnt mean you shouldnt wear your seat belt.
>
> I'm not saying seatbelts are a bad thing, just that I don't
> like sleazy phrasing tricks used to support what should be
> supportable by good solid evidence.
the simple fact is that seat belts save lives. any numerical analisys shows
this to be true. but that doesnt seem to matter. what i really dont
understand is that most of the people i know (and i actually know quite a
few here in montana) that refuse to wear seat belts, all pretty much agree.
they know the numbers are against them. but they dont seem to care and feel
the numbers dont apply to them.
in some people, there seems to be an underlying fear of being trapped in the
car and they would rather just die in the wreck.
randy
Tue, Apr 20, 2004, 2:28pm (EDT-2) [email protected] (xrongor) says:
<snip> which still doesnt mean you shouldnt wear your seat belt. <snip>
I believe, and always wear one. But, sometimes my kids don't (but
they damn sure do when I'm in the vehicle with them, or them with me,
because I keep at them until they do. Hehehehe). So, I appeal to
something they can relate to. If they don't wear it, it'll cost them
$25 every time they're caught not wearing it. Took the older one about
$75 before he got the idea. Hard to fight it tho, when one of their
buddies tells them it's safer not to wear one.
JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown
JOAT writes:
>So, I appeal to
>something they can relate to. If they don't wear it, it'll cost them
>$25 every time they're caught not wearing it. Took the older one about
>$75 before he got the idea. Hard to fight it tho, when one of their
>buddies tells them it's safer not to wear one.
Hard to believe that some people still go with that idea, but my cousin's
husband believes the same thing. And he's about your age, JOAT. Younger than
me, but not by enough to count.
I drove a wrecker for a short period back when I was a kid, pre-seatbelt days
(I even recall Ford trying to sell seatbelts as optional extras, starting,
IIRC, in '56 or '57: bombed badly). Anyone who has ever seen the results of a
single high speed wreck without seatbelts will believe in their effectiveness,
after they're done puking.
Charlie Self
"Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a
left." Ambrose Bierce
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:38:08 -0400, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
-snip-
> Hard to fight it tho, when one of their
>buddies tells them it's safer not to wear one.
>
>JOAT
>The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
>they invented Mercy.
>- Unknown
You've noticed that too, huh. I swear that if I were the world's foremost authority on a subject and some skid row bum told my wife
or kids something that disagreed with what I said, they are right and I am wrong. Oh well, an expert is anyone that is more than 50
miles from home..
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA
Tom Veatch writes:
>
>You've noticed that too, huh. I swear that if I were the world's foremost
>authority on a subject and some skid row bum told my wife
>or kids something that disagreed with what I said, they are right and I am
>wrong. Oh well, an expert is anyone that is more than 50
>miles from home..
Oh, yeah. Some years ago, our car had a problem. One of the guys at the church
my wife attends told her it was the shaft on the fan creating the problem. I
blew my stack, took her out and showed her that on that car, the fan had NO
shaft, it was electric and driven by a thermostat so couldn't have caused that
problem. She still told the mechanic who got to do the work that it was the
f***ing fan!
I can't even recall the damned problem now, but I sure recall my irritation at
that. It was the first of many.
Charlie Self
"Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a
left." Ambrose Bierce
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom Veatch writes:
> >You've noticed that too, huh. I swear that if I were the world's foremost
> >authority on a subject and some skid row bum told my wife
> >or kids something that disagreed with what I said, they are right and I am
> >wrong. Oh well, an expert is anyone that is more than 50
> >miles from home..
> Oh, yeah. Some years ago, our car had a problem. One of the guys at the church
> my wife attends told her it was the shaft on the fan creating the problem. I
> blew my stack, took her out and showed her that on that car, the fan had NO
> shaft, it was electric and driven by a thermostat so couldn't have caused that
> problem. She still told the mechanic who got to do the work that it was the
> f***ing fan!
"No man is a prophet in his own country." (French proverb)
I get the same treatment from my wife.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:17:56 -0400, Mike Patterson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I became a believer in high school when a dog ran out in front of me
>in my 1971 Ford LTD with bench seats. I found myself going down the
>road sideways, trying to steer and brake from the passenger seat.
Watching films of pre-seatbelt auto racing made a believer of me.
Seeing the pack run over another driver is pretty memorable. 8^(
Barry
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:38:08 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Tue, Apr 20, 2004, 2:28pm (EDT-2) [email protected] (xrongor) says:
><snip> which still doesnt mean you shouldnt wear your seat belt. <snip>
>
> I believe, and always wear one. But, sometimes my kids don't (but
>they damn sure do when I'm in the vehicle with them, or them with me,
>because I keep at them until they do. Hehehehe). So, I appeal to
>something they can relate to. If they don't wear it, it'll cost them
>$25 every time they're caught not wearing it. Took the older one about
>$75 before he got the idea. Hard to fight it tho, when one of their
>buddies tells them it's safer not to wear one.
>
>JOAT
>The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
>they invented Mercy.
>- Unknown
I became a believer in high school when a dog ran out in front of me
in my 1971 Ford LTD with bench seats. I found myself going down the
road sideways, trying to steer and brake from the passenger seat.
Two lessons learned that night:
1. A seat belt keeps you closer to the steering wheel, making it
easier to maintain control of the car.
2. A stray dog isn't worth dying for. Hit it. You can wince, yell,
feel bad afterwards, call a vet, whatever, but -don't- yank the
steering wheel around.
Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
Mike Patterson writes:
>2. A stray dog isn't worth dying for. Hit it. You can wince, yell,
>feel bad afterwards, call a vet, whatever, but -don't- yank the
>steering wheel around.
>
Stray or no stray, if it's him or me (or you) it should always be the dog, but
most of us are conditioned otherwise. I don't like to think of all the time
I've spent sliding sideways because of one animal or another.
Charlie Self
"Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a
left." Ambrose Bierce
On 20 Apr 2004 17:12:41 GMT, Hitch <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dreadfully underpowered tho.
>
> A motorcycle is safer, because there's a small chance you can
> be thrown clear.
Not sure how you think that's a good thing; in every accident I've
responded to where someone was "thrown clear" it's been very, very
bad for them. If you've got enough energy to be thrown any distance
from a crash, that's an awful lot of hurt that's gonna happen when you
land...
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some years ago, a state trooper wrote to Ann Landers, to encourage people to
> wear seat belts, after having been at the scene of yet another fatal crash. He
> said that in over 20 years on the force, he had assisted at hundreds of
> accidents, many of them fatal, and he's had to cut seat many belts to help
> people get out of their wrecked cars, but, he said, "I have *never* removed a
> seat belt from a corpse."
Of course not, the troopers let the EMT or Coroner do that.
Sorry, but that always seemed like a bogus statement to me.
Even when it was being used in the buckle-up campaigns on TV
some years ago, before that letter to Ann Landers I might add.
True on the surface, but silly if examined closely. They are
trying to give the impression that no one ever died with a
seat belt on, which is patently absurd.
I'm not saying seatbelts are a bad thing, just that I don't
like sleazy phrasing tricks used to support what should be
supportable by good solid evidence.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:54:03 -0600, xrongor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Not sure how you think that's a good thing; in every accident I've
>> responded to where someone was "thrown clear" it's been very, very
>> bad for them.
> they too seem not to realize that if there was enough energy
> to trap you in the car, and jam the seat belt, and somehow put you in a
> position that you really cant get out, that without the belt you would
> simply be hamburger on the windshield.
The ones without seatbelts, in rollovers, are often "partially ejected"
(EMT-speak for "the head was out when the car rolled on it"), which is
a particularly not-good place to have your head at that time.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Of course not, the troopers let the EMT or Coroner do that.
Depends who gets there first. We're not going to leave the person
where they are, unless they're _obviously_ dead; we'll take 'em out
and work 'em. There are only a couple of situations where "obviously
dead" applies...
> True on the surface, but silly if examined closely. They are
> trying to give the impression that no one ever died with a
> seat belt on, which is patently absurd.
I don't think that's what they're saying, but it's interesting to
note that in over a decade of being an EMT, the only people who have
been hurt enough to need a helecopter transport, are the ones who
weren't seatbelted. Yeah, anecdotal evidence and all that, but
the pattern is very distinctly present. Can't think of any dead
ones who were seatbelted either, come to think of it.
> I'm not saying seatbelts are a bad thing, just that I don't
> like sleazy phrasing tricks used to support what should be
> supportable by good solid evidence.
Ah, but remember - some people _think_ about things, and others
_feel_ about things. Those who understand logic and science, can
understand percentages, statistics, and that sort of thing, but won't
be affected by emotionalized approaches like the trooper one.
Likewise, those who are going to react to, and learn from, a picture
of someone whose face went through the windshield because of no seatbelt,
aren't necessarily going to be swayed by logic and percentages, but
they'll remember that picture of the guy with all the stiches.
In reality, those who won't wear seatbelts aren't doing it because
they're ignorant of seatbelts, it's because they've been told and
have chosen not to take advantage of them. It's a poor and sometimes
fatal decision, and chances are pretty good that they're not going
to change their mind based on statistics, anecdotal stories, or
whatever.
Dave Hinz
(Firefighter/EMT)
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:28:16 -0600, xrongor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> in some people, there seems to be an underlying fear of being trapped in the
> car and they would rather just die in the wreck.
That's another of those things I just don't get. If they just rattled
around the car until they wedged somewhere, it's unpredictable what will
be holding them - maybe the pedals wrapped around their feet, maybe the
windshield's remains around their neck, maybe them in the back seat, who
knows. If they're in the driver's seat, they know exactly where the
button is to get out. I guess that's what "irrational fear" means, though.
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Of course not, the troopers let the EMT or Coroner do that.
> Depends who gets there first. We're not going to leave the person
> where they are, unless they're _obviously_ dead; we'll take 'em out
> and work 'em. There are only a couple of situations where "obviously
> dead" applies...
Exactly my point, you are an EMT. The trooper generally is going to
leave a belted occupant in the vehichle till the EMTs get there
with a backboard, right? Unless the car's on fire or there is
some other immediate danger troopers don't pull people out. At
least that has been my impression.
Again, seatbelts are a good thing. I know the stats and I've
heard the bogus arguments against them. I wear 'em all the time.
Everybody should. It's just that story with the trooper saying
he never unbuckled a dead person seems too cleverly phrased, like
it was cooked up by an ad man somewhere.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:54:52 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Depends who gets there first. We're not going to leave the person
>> where they are, unless they're _obviously_ dead; we'll take 'em out
>> and work 'em.
> Exactly my point, you are an EMT. The trooper generally is going to
> leave a belted occupant in the vehichle till the EMTs get there
> with a backboard, right?
Right. One would hope that's the case.
> Unless the car's on fire or there is
> some other immediate danger troopers don't pull people out. At
> least that has been my impression.
Weeeeelllllll, how do I put this. I've been called off from responding
to more than a few crashes because there are "no injuries", only to be
re-paged later for non-trivial problems. Not precisely on this
exact topic, but they're not trained in patient assessment any more
than I'm trained in chasing down a speeder.
> Again, seatbelts are a good thing. I know the stats and I've
> heard the bogus arguments against them. I wear 'em all the time.
> Everybody should. It's just that story with the trooper saying
> he never unbuckled a dead person seems too cleverly phrased, like
> it was cooked up by an ad man somewhere.
Well, as an EMT, I can make that statement myself. Maybe if they
re-made the ad today, they'd use someone other than a cop.
It's still the "appeal to the feelings" crowd that they're trying to
reach with those, rather than the "explain the facts" type people.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Some years ago, a state trooper wrote to Ann Landers, to encourage
people to
> >> wear seat belts, after having been at the scene of yet another fatal
crash. He
> >> said that in over 20 years on the force, he had assisted at hundreds of
> >> accidents, many of them fatal, and he's had to cut seat many belts to
help
> >> people get out of their wrecked cars, but, he said, "I have *never*
removed a
> >> seat belt from a corpse."
>
> Actually, this was quoted from the public safety film "Room to Live".
> The guy in the film is a trooper who personally makes the statement in
> the film.
>
> In "Room to Live II", an updated version, he admits that he did ONCE
> unbuckle a dead person. They had been hit from behind by an umbrella
> that was on the rear dashboard. He then segues into a segment about
> loose articles in the passenger compartment.
And probably the deadliest loose article for a belted passenger is an
unbelted passenger. If I'm the driver, all my passengers buckle up or walk.
It's not for their safety, it's for mine.
>
> We used to have to watch these films yearly in corporate safety
> meetings. <G>
>
> Barry
Scheiße Wagon did make trucks in the 50's & 60's.
check out
http://www.dropgates.com/
They had a nice feature where you could drop the tailgate and
both sides to make it a flatbed.
Dreadfully underpowered tho.
Art
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
http://www.sparwood.bc.ca/look%20what%20the%20did%20to%20our%20truck/beetle.jpg.html
> VW truck, in case anyone want to do some wood hauling. VW is noted for
> its economy. I want one.
>
> JOAT
> The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
> they invented Mercy.
> - Unknown
>
Sun, Apr 18, 2004, 7:59pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Wood=A0Butcher) says:
Schei=DFe Wagon did make trucks <snip>
Sigh. I know.
It was a joke. Bigger sigh.
JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown
In article <[email protected]>, "xrongor" <[email protected]> wrote:
>lol ya i love it when people talk about how safe it is to be 'thrown clear'.
That has always puzzled me. The way I figure it, if you're flying through the
air at 40 mph or whatever, you just *gotta* be better off with two tons of
steel around you than on your own. I just can't imagine how anyone could think
otherwise.
>often its the same people who claim that youll get stuck in your car if you
>wear seatbelts. they too seem not to realize that if there was enough energy
>to trap you in the car, and jam the seat belt, and somehow put you in a
>position that you really cant get out, that without the belt you would
>simply be hamburger on the windshield.
Some years ago, a state trooper wrote to Ann Landers, to encourage people to
wear seat belts, after having been at the scene of yet another fatal crash. He
said that in over 20 years on the force, he had assisted at hundreds of
accidents, many of them fatal, and he's had to cut seat many belts to help
people get out of their wrecked cars, but, he said, "I have *never* removed a
seat belt from a corpse."
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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