stanley #90 ebay

Charles Lerner asks:

>Every now and then I look for a stanley #90 plane on ebay. They're
>always up for auction, but the prices for good condition ones often go
>very close to or even above retail price (about $75 from Lee Valley,
>Rockler, etc.). Are these planes of interest to collectors which
>raises the price or do people bid irrationally considering retail
>price (and easy shipping, return policy, etc. of buying from a company
>like Lee Valley)?

They must bid irrationally. As a check, I looked at Lee Valley: $79. I didn't
check shipping because IME, Ebay is ALWAYS higher. I saw #90s on Ebay with "Buy
It Now" prices of $100!

Given a choice, I'd willingly pay some place like Lee Valley more for the plane
than I would a seller on Ebay for the simple reason I know that if there are
any kinds of problems, LV will make it good. You can, maybe, hope that an Ebay
seller will do the same, but you can't know.

Ebay is a great place to pick up some planes (I got a transition #26 for what I
think is a great price), but in other instances, it isn't. You need to take a
knowledge of the market in with you to keep from getting burned.

Charlie Self
If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my body.

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"Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Since none of us know the answer to your question (unless we personally
> bid $90 for one of these on eBay) it's all just our speculation.
> Therefore, I'll had my hunch to the pile. My guess is that if the new
> ones are indeed the same quality as the old ones being auctioned on
> eBay, then the reason people buy them for $90 on eBay is they don't
> realize they can buy a new one for less. I see a lot of auctions go for
> more than the retail price and my assumption is that the people don't
> know that or they wouldn't bid so high. Most people feel older planes
> are better than the new ones or they don't realize that particular plane
> is still being made. If someone wants a #90 they go to eBay and soon
> realize that to win one they have to bid $90, therefore, they do.
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn WA
> "Charles Lerner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Every now and then I look for a stanley #90 plane on ebay. They're
> > always up for auction, but the prices for good condition ones often go
> > very close to or even above retail price (about $75 from Lee Valley,
> > Rockler, etc.). Are these planes of interest to collectors which
> > raises the price or do people bid irrationally considering retail
> > price (and easy shipping, return policy, etc. of buying from a company
> > like Lee Valley)?
> >
> > Thanks for any insight.
> >
> > Charles Lerner


Thanks for all the responses. From what I've read it seems the planes
are probably not that collectable and they are "overbid" on e-bay
relative to current retail price for illogical (at least to me)
reasons. I guess there wasn't really a practical reason for my
question in the first place - I just would have felt better if it they
were collectable or the old ones were better (and therefore worth
more) so I wouldn't be frustrated with the ebay prices. I would think
you should be able to consistently get an old one for no more than 1/2
retail, but that's not the case - oh well.

Charles

Aaron Heck wrote:
> Does Lee Valley sell collector type Stanley planes? Are you guys comparing
> vintage, collectable, more sought after and often better plans that you are
> probably seeing on ebay to the new Stanley plans as sold by Lee Valley,
> Lowes, etc? I'm confused.

You're right, you're confused. LV sells NEW Veritas (home brand) planes
that are far superior to most other planes. The crap you buy at Lowes
isn't as good as the Old Stanleys that you see on eBay, but they,
generally, aren't as good as the planes you buy from LV. The other
question is user vs collector. LV sells users, straight from the box,
Stanley doesn't, so neither does Lowes. eBay may sell collectors, but
usually sells users that will need varying amounts of work done before
they are usable. Why not go to LV and look at their planes or go to the
website and look at the pictures. Or just DAGS and do some reading.
/rant off
Dave in Fairfax
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Aaron Heck wrote:
> Dave, you're a dumbass. Where did Veritas come into the picture? The OP
> asked about Stanley planes, asking why they go on ebay for more than retail.
> OP asked about the Stanley #90, which can be found on LV and Ebay. I don't
> know how you got off on your little rant, but try to stay on topic next
> time. Putz.

Veritas came into the picture when LV was mentioned. I misread the OP's
question, I admit. I'll blame the misreading and poor judgment on pain
meds. I didn't call the OP names, however, what do you blame that on?
Dave in Fairfax
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"Charles Lerner" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Larry C"
<[email protected]> wrote
in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Since none of us know the answer to
your question (unless we personally
> > bid $90 for one of these on eBay)
it's all just our speculation.
> > Therefore, I'll had my hunch to the
pile. My guess is that if the new
> > ones are indeed the same quality as
the old ones being auctioned on
> > eBay, then the reason people buy
them for $90 on eBay is they don't
> > realize they can buy a new one for
less. I see a lot of auctions go for
> > more than the retail price and my
assumption is that the people don't
> > know that or they wouldn't bid so
high. Most people feel older planes
> > are better than the new ones or they
don't realize that particular plane
> > is still being made. If someone
wants a #90 they go to eBay and soon
> > realize that to win one they have to
bid $90, therefore, they do.
> >
> > --
> > Larry C in Auburn WA
> > "Charles Lerner"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
news:[email protected]...
> > > Every now and then I look for a
stanley #90 plane on ebay. They're
> > > always up for auction, but the
prices for good condition ones often go
> > > very close to or even above retail
price (about $75 from Lee Valley,
> > > Rockler, etc.). Are these planes
of interest to collectors which
> > > raises the price or do people bid
irrationally considering retail
> > > price (and easy shipping, return
policy, etc. of buying from a company
> > > like Lee Valley)?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any insight.
> > >
> > > Charles Lerner
>
>
> Thanks for all the responses. From
what I've read it seems the planes
> are probably not that collectable and
they are "overbid" on e-bay
> relative to current retail price for
illogical (at least to me)
> reasons. I guess there wasn't really
a practical reason for my
> question in the first place - I just
would have felt better if it they
> were collectable or the old ones were
better (and therefore worth
> more) so I wouldn't be frustrated with
the ebay prices. I would think
> you should be able to consistently get
an old one for no more than 1/2
> retail, but that's not the case - oh
well.
>
> Charles


I think you're close. The fact of the
matter is that there are quite a few
folks that are willing to pay a premium
to get a #90 made in the USA. The #90
hasn't been produced in the USA since
the sixties, so the American version has
a little bit of collector value. The
older American version also has a
reputation (and I'm not arguing whether
it's deserved) for being of higher
quality. That said, it is true that
there are a quite a few buyers on eBay
getting duped into paying too much for a
modern copy.

Also, regarding earlier comments about
some older planes from the series having
alignment or warping problems. This is
certainly true. However it is not true
of the #90 itself--only the larger 92,
93, and 94. This was a design flaw that
was fixed a long time ago. There's good
information Patrick Leach's Blood & Gore
page.




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On 13 Jan 2004 05:56:07 -0800, [email protected] (Charles Lerner)
wrote:

>Every now and then I look for a stanley #90 plane on ebay.

#90, #90A or #90J ? US or English ? The one-piece body ones are rare
and expensive, unless you're in England, where they're common and
cheap.

Personally I find a #92 more useful, and much cheaper. I've rarely
needed a bullnose, sometimes needed a chisel plane.


--
Do whales have krillfiles ?

Since none of us know the answer to your question (unless we personally
bid $90 for one of these on eBay) it's all just our speculation.
Therefore, I'll had my hunch to the pile. My guess is that if the new
ones are indeed the same quality as the old ones being auctioned on
eBay, then the reason people buy them for $90 on eBay is they don't
realize they can buy a new one for less. I see a lot of auctions go for
more than the retail price and my assumption is that the people don't
know that or they wouldn't bid so high. Most people feel older planes
are better than the new ones or they don't realize that particular plane
is still being made. If someone wants a #90 they go to eBay and soon
realize that to win one they have to bid $90, therefore, they do.

--
Larry C in Auburn WA
"Charles Lerner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Every now and then I look for a stanley #90 plane on ebay. They're
> always up for auction, but the prices for good condition ones often go
> very close to or even above retail price (about $75 from Lee Valley,
> Rockler, etc.). Are these planes of interest to collectors which
> raises the price or do people bid irrationally considering retail
> price (and easy shipping, return policy, etc. of buying from a company
> like Lee Valley)?
>
> Thanks for any insight.
>
> Charles Lerner

[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:

> Aaron Heck wrote:
>> Does Lee Valley sell collector type Stanley planes? Are you guys
>> comparing vintage, collectable, more sought after and often better
>> plans that you are probably seeing on ebay to the new Stanley plans
>> as sold by Lee Valley, Lowes, etc? I'm confused.
>
> You're right, you're confused. LV sells NEW Veritas (home brand)
> planes that are far superior to most other planes.

Actually, I think you're confused. Lee Valley sells the UK made
Stanley #90, which I think is what the OP was refering to.

As far as I know, none of the #90/92/93/94 are collectable (ignoring
for the moment the first #90, which was a totally different plane).
There's no consistant difference in quality between older US made
Stanley and new UK made Stanley in these planes, so no reason not
to buy new. The advantage of buying new from Lee Valley or where
ever is that if the plane isn't square you can easily return it and
try again.

John

"Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Since none of us know the answer to your question (unless we personally
> bid $90 for one of these on eBay) it's all just our speculation.
> Therefore, I'll had my hunch to the pile. My guess is that if the new
> ones are indeed the same quality as the old ones being auctioned on
> eBay, then the reason people buy them for $90 on eBay is they don't
> realize they can buy a new one for less.

Could be that the quality of the new ones has really gone downhill! The
last run of #79's were virtually unusable before production finished.

John

OK Dave, Your not allowed to post here for a month now.

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Aaron Heck wrote:
> > Dave, you're a dumbass. Where did Veritas come into the picture? The
OP
> > asked about Stanley planes, asking why they go on ebay for more than
retail.
> > OP asked about the Stanley #90, which can be found on LV and Ebay. I
don't
> > know how you got off on your little rant, but try to stay on topic next
> > time. Putz.
>
> Veritas came into the picture when LV was mentioned. I misread the OP's
> question, I admit. I'll blame the misreading and poor judgment on pain
> meds. I didn't call the OP names, however, what do you blame that on?
> Dave in Fairfax
> --
> reply-to doesn't work
> use:
> daveldr at att dot net
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:51:35 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There's no consistant difference in quality between older US made
>Stanley and new UK made Stanley in these planes

Except that UK #92s (even the new ones) don't pretzel like the old US
ones did.

They're rebate planes, not shoulder planes. But you can shut the mouth
tight enough on a UK one to make a fair go at it. Try this on a US one
and the chances are that the mouth will be too tapered to be usable.
--
Do whales have krillfiles ?

Does Lee Valley sell collector type Stanley planes? Are you guys comparing
vintage, collectable, more sought after and often better plans that you are
probably seeing on ebay to the new Stanley plans as sold by Lee Valley,
Lowes, etc? I'm confused.

Aaron

"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charles Lerner asks:
>
> >Every now and then I look for a stanley #90 plane on ebay. They're
> >always up for auction, but the prices for good condition ones often go
> >very close to or even above retail price (about $75 from Lee Valley,
> >Rockler, etc.). Are these planes of interest to collectors which
> >raises the price or do people bid irrationally considering retail
> >price (and easy shipping, return policy, etc. of buying from a company
> >like Lee Valley)?
>
> They must bid irrationally. As a check, I looked at Lee Valley: $79. I
didn't
> check shipping because IME, Ebay is ALWAYS higher. I saw #90s on Ebay with
"Buy
> It Now" prices of $100!
>
> Given a choice, I'd willingly pay some place like Lee Valley more for the
plane
> than I would a seller on Ebay for the simple reason I know that if there
are
> any kinds of problems, LV will make it good. You can, maybe, hope that an
Ebay
> seller will do the same, but you can't know.
>
> Ebay is a great place to pick up some planes (I got a transition #26 for
what I
> think is a great price), but in other instances, it isn't. You need to
take a
> knowledge of the market in with you to keep from getting burned.
>
> Charlie Self
> If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my
body.
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>

Dave, you're a dumbass. Where did Veritas come into the picture? The OP
asked about Stanley planes, asking why they go on ebay for more than retail.
OP asked about the Stanley #90, which can be found on LV and Ebay. I don't
know how you got off on your little rant, but try to stay on topic next
time. Putz.

Aaron

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Aaron Heck wrote:
> > Does Lee Valley sell collector type Stanley planes? Are you guys
comparing
> > vintage, collectable, more sought after and often better plans that you
are
> > probably seeing on ebay to the new Stanley plans as sold by Lee Valley,
> > Lowes, etc? I'm confused.
>
> You're right, you're confused. LV sells NEW Veritas (home brand) planes
> that are far superior to most other planes. The crap you buy at Lowes
> isn't as good as the Old Stanleys that you see on eBay, but they,
> generally, aren't as good as the planes you buy from LV. The other
> question is user vs collector. LV sells users, straight from the box,
> Stanley doesn't, so neither does Lowes. eBay may sell collectors, but
> usually sells users that will need varying amounts of work done before
> they are usable. Why not go to LV and look at their planes or go to the
> website and look at the pictures. Or just DAGS and do some reading.
> /rant off
> Dave in Fairfax
> --
> reply-to doesn't work
> use:
> daveldr at att dot net
> American Association of Woodturners
> http://www.woodturner.org
> Capital Area Woodturners
> http://www.capwoodturners.org/
>