1/4 drive in hitachi m12v?

On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:48:34 -0400, "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> CW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Go into a store in the UK and ask for a flashlight. They won't know
>>> what your talking about. Ask for a torch and they will direct you to
>>> the flashlights.
>>>
>>
>> I'm afaraid you're wrong,both words are recognised.
>> However seems if you go into an american store and ask for a Torch chances
>> are they will get a blank expression. :-)
>>
>
>Unless the store happens to sell sticks with tar soaked rags afixed to the
>top of them. :)
>
and wooden pitchforks and clubs.. lol

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

thanks for the replys guys, read the instructions? yes a little.


"The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> petebert wrote:
>> I've never used a router, bought a M12V. I see that router bits
>> aint cheap and I'd like to get a cheap set just to try putting cuts
>> in wood and stuff. The sets all seem to be 1/4", will that work? any
>> adapter needed or does it tighten like a drill?
>
> Have you not read the instructions?
>
> The Hitachi M12V is an 1/2" collet and comes with an 1/4" sleeve to put in
> the router for reduction 1/4" bits.
>
> --
> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>
>
>

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
> Jesse R Strawbridge wrote:
> > From personal experience, buy bits as you need them and buy good
> > quality. Cheap bits will disappoint you and waste your money.
> >
> > Jess.S
>
> Sensible advice,however not when just starting out with a router.
> Cheap bits save money until the aquired knowledge of the use of the router
> is attained as a learning curve.
> No use buying an expensive bit and damaging it in the process of learning.
>
> --
> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

I think my opinion falls somewhere between these two - I doubt you'd
damage a good bit while learning (unless you hit a nail/screw or try to
remove too much material with a small bit), but I agree it's nice to
have a small set of not-very-expensive bits to practice, and if you
just need a particular pattern for a small project.
I started with a 15-piece set of 1/2" shank bits from
mlcswoodworking.com for about $35 - these are a good step up from the
common chinese/eBay/Harbor Freight bits, but are much cheaper than the
high-end $20+each CMT/Whiteside/Amana bits. As I've needed other bits,
either to replace worn-out bits from my set or to get new patterns,
I've gotten some nicer bits (Whiteside, Freud, CMT, Onsrud, Infinity)
and these are another step up from MLCS. The MLCS bits cut very well
when new, but don't seem to last as long as the nicer ones. I
particularly like dealing with Infinitytools.com - seems to be a very
high-quality product for a reasonable price.
Good luck,
Andy

petebert wrote:
> I've never used a router, bought a M12V. I see that router bits aint
> cheap and I'd like to get a cheap set just to try putting cuts in wood and
> stuff. The sets all seem to be 1/4", will that work? any adapter needed or
> does it tighten like a drill?

And ... let me suggest that with a powerful routah like that, it'd take
a very
minor "oops" to have it snap off a 1/4" shank. I'd stay conservative
with
depth of cut and feed rate.

HTH,
J

I have one of those routers. 1/2" shafts are more rigid and you will
generally be happier with them (less vibration, etc.), but if you do
use the 1/4" collet, be sure to align the slot in the 1/4" collet with
the slot in the 1/2" collet mounted to the shaft. If you don't it is
very hard to get it tightened properly and you risk having the bit move
while in use, with poor results at a minimum, and too much excitement
if the bit comes loose.

Another point about the M12V. I don't know if Hitachi fixed it, yet,
but the model I have does not have an overload protection circuit built
in, thus, if I jam the bit somehow and fail to get the motor shut off
instantly, I risk letting out the blue smoke (which makes the motor
work).



petebert wrote:
> I've never used a router, bought a M12V. I see that router bits aint
> cheap and I'd like to get a cheap set just to try putting cuts in wood and
> stuff. The sets all seem to be 1/4", will that work? any adapter needed or
> does it tighten like a drill?

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> mac davis wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:07:24 GMT, "petebert" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for the replys guys, read the instructions? yes a little.
>>>
>>>
>> LOL... Been there, done that...
>>
>> As we say in the computer biz, RTFM...
>> Pertains to reading the manual before asking questions.. *g*
>>
>> Mac
>>
>> https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
>> https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
>
> Reminds me of the woman phoning a computer shop for advice...
>
> Her.. hello my computer has died.
> Him.. Your computer has died?
> Her.. Yes the the monitor is dead also.
> Him.. Is the computer and Monitor plugged into the mains?
> Her..Could you just hold on while I find the torch.
> Him..What do you need a torch for?
> Her.. I'm sitting in the dark.
> Him.. For f**k sake.
>
> :-)
> --
> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>

Funny, though a torch seems somewhat out of place... a flashflight might
make a little more sense. :)

I just image some lady sitting there with a big flaming torch!

"petebert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've never used a router, bought a M12V. I see that router bits aint
> cheap and I'd like to get a cheap set just to try putting cuts in wood and
> stuff. The sets all seem to be 1/4", will that work? any adapter needed or
> does it tighten like a drill?
>

I wouldn't recommend going with the 1/4" shank if your router is capable of
1/2". 1/4" are prone to breaking, especially in a router the size of the
M12V. You don't want a flying router bit in the shop. Check out MLCS
woodworking and get their anniversary set. Decent bits, not a lot of money.
Great to learn with.

"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Funny, though a torch seems somewhat out of place... a flashflight might
> make a little more sense. :)
>
> I just image some lady sitting there with a big flaming torch!

Nevermind, someone just informed me that in some parts of the world they
refer to flashlights as "torches". :)

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
>>
>> Go into a store in the UK and ask for a flashlight. They won't know
>> what your talking about. Ask for a torch and they will direct you to
>> the flashlights.
>>
>
> I'm afaraid you're wrong,both words are recognised.
> However seems if you go into an american store and ask for a Torch chances
> are they will get a blank expression. :-)
>

Unless the store happens to sell sticks with tar soaked rags afixed to the
top of them. :)

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

> Reminds me of the woman phoning a computer shop for advice...
>
> Her.. hello my computer has died.
> Him.. Your computer has died?
> Her.. Yes the the monitor is dead also.
> Him.. Is the computer and Monitor plugged into the mains?
> Her..Could you just hold on while I find the torch.
> Him..What do you need a torch for?
> Her.. I'm sitting in the dark.
> Him.. For f**k sake.

I used to think this was an urban legend--surely nobody was that ignorant.

However, about 6 years back I worked tech support for the local cable
company. I actually had pretty much the above conversation with a guy
who called wondering why he couldn't get a picture on his TV. I had to
put him on hold while I cracked up...

Chris

gw wrote:
> "petebert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I've never used a router, bought a M12V. I see that router bits aint
>>cheap and I'd like to get a cheap set just to try putting cuts in wood and
>>stuff. The sets all seem to be 1/4", will that work? any adapter needed or
>>does it tighten like a drill?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> You need a 1/4" collet for 1/4" shank bits. Most routers come with 1/4" and
> 1/2", or it is available as an accessory. It does not tighten like a drill.
>
> I suppose cheap bits are OK for test cuts, but keep in mind that good
> quality bits will not just last longer - they can have less tear-out, better
> control through sharper edges, etc.
>
>
From personal experience, buy bits as you need them and buy good
quality. Cheap bits will disappoint you and waste your money.

Jess.S

petebert wrote:
> I've never used a router, bought a M12V. I see that router bits
> aint cheap and I'd like to get a cheap set just to try putting cuts
> in wood and stuff. The sets all seem to be 1/4", will that work? any
> adapter needed or does it tighten like a drill?

Have you not read the instructions?

The Hitachi M12V is an 1/2" collet and comes with an 1/4" sleeve to put in
the router for reduction 1/4" bits.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

mac davis wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:07:24 GMT, "petebert" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> thanks for the replys guys, read the instructions? yes a little.
>>
>>
> LOL... Been there, done that...
>
> As we say in the computer biz, RTFM...
> Pertains to reading the manual before asking questions.. *g*
>
> Mac
>
> https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
> https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

Reminds me of the woman phoning a computer shop for advice...

Her.. hello my computer has died.
Him.. Your computer has died?
Her.. Yes the the monitor is dead also.
Him.. Is the computer and Monitor plugged into the mains?
Her..Could you just hold on while I find the torch.
Him..What do you need a torch for?
Her.. I'm sitting in the dark.
Him.. For f**k sake.

:-)
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Locutus wrote:
> "The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> mac davis wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:07:24 GMT, "petebert" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks for the replys guys, read the instructions? yes a little.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> LOL... Been there, done that...
>>>
>>> As we say in the computer biz, RTFM...
>>> Pertains to reading the manual before asking questions.. *g*
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>> https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
>>> https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
>>
>> Reminds me of the woman phoning a computer shop for advice...
>>
>> Her.. hello my computer has died.
>> Him.. Your computer has died?
>> Her.. Yes the the monitor is dead also.
>> Him.. Is the computer and Monitor plugged into the mains?
>> Her..Could you just hold on while I find the torch.
>> Him..What do you need a torch for?
>> Her.. I'm sitting in the dark.
>> Him.. For f**k sake.
>>
>> :-)
>> --
>> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>>
>
> Funny, though a torch seems somewhat out of place... a flashflight
> might make a little more sense. :)
>
> I just image some lady sitting there with a big flaming torch!

UK word I'm afraid. :-)

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=83860&dict=CALD

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Jesse R Strawbridge wrote:

> My experience with cheap bits is they do such a poor job it is
> discouraging. Because of them for a long time I never used the router
> because I couldn't get the results I wanted.
>

You're misunderstanding my point?

Point being is...
Using cheap router bits are used for gaining experience what each router
bit does and what shape can be aquired so that we/he knows what to buy in
the dearer bits at the same time gaining experience with the router.
I'm not saying use the cheap bits as a main cutting source but mainly for
learning with.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Sensible advice,however not when just starting out with a router.
> Cheap bits save money until the aquired knowledge of the use of the router
> is attained as a learning curve.
> No use buying an expensive bit and damaging it in the process of learning.

Cheap bits can ruin more wood that there will be damaged bits. Crap bits
just make the learning curve that much worse as you think you are doing
something wrong, but hte bit will just not cut properly.

While you don't need a $30 bit, the cheap HSS sets are really crap and
should never be used, IMO. OTOH, I do have some of the $5 bits from
Woodcraft and they do a good job.

That's news to me. Never been there but working with the British army back
in the 80s led me to believe that flashlight wasn't a generally used term.

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
> >
> > Go into a store in the UK and ask for a flashlight. They won't know
> > what your talking about. Ask for a torch and they will direct you to
> > the flashlights.
> >
>
> I'm afaraid you're wrong,both words are recognised.
> However seems if you go into an american store and ask for a Torch chances
> are they will get a blank expression. :-)
>
> --
> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>
>
>

CW wrote:
> That's news to me. Never been there but working with the British
> army back in the 80s led me to believe that flashlight wasn't a
> generally used term.
>

The term flashlight is not generally used as torches is the common word in
the UK for it,but if you went into any store that sold torches and asked to
see a range of flashlights they would know instinctivly what you're asking
for.


--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:21:43 -0400, "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote:


>>
>> Reminds me of the woman phoning a computer shop for advice...
>>
>> Her.. hello my computer has died.
>> Him.. Your computer has died?
>> Her.. Yes the the monitor is dead also.
>> Him.. Is the computer and Monitor plugged into the mains?
>> Her..Could you just hold on while I find the torch.
>> Him..What do you need a torch for?
>> Her.. I'm sitting in the dark.
>> Him.. For f**k sake.
>>
>> :-)
>> --
>> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>>
>
>Funny, though a torch seems somewhat out of place... a flashflight might
>make a little more sense. :)
>
>I just image some lady sitting there with a big flaming torch!
>
It's a UK thing....
You smoke a fag and a poof is NOT magic... *g*

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

CW wrote:

>
> Go into a store in the UK and ask for a flashlight. They won't know
> what your talking about. Ask for a torch and they will direct you to
> the flashlights.
>

I'm afaraid you're wrong,both words are recognised.
However seems if you go into an american store and ask for a Torch chances
are they will get a blank expression. :-)

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Jesse R Strawbridge wrote:
> From personal experience, buy bits as you need them and buy good
> quality. Cheap bits will disappoint you and waste your money.
>
> Jess.S

Sensible advice,however not when just starting out with a router.
Cheap bits save money until the aquired knowledge of the use of the router
is attained as a learning curve.
No use buying an expensive bit and damaging it in the process of learning.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Thanks for the clarification.

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
> > That's news to me. Never been there but working with the British
> > army back in the 80s led me to believe that flashlight wasn't a
> > generally used term.
> >
>
> The term flashlight is not generally used as torches is the common word in
> the UK for it,but if you went into any store that sold torches and asked
to
> see a range of flashlights they would know instinctivly what you're asking
> for.
>
>
> --
> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>
>
>

"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>> Jesse R Strawbridge wrote:
>> > From personal experience, buy bits as you need them and buy good
>> > quality. Cheap bits will disappoint you and waste your money.
>> >
>> > Jess.S
>>
>> Sensible advice,however not when just starting out with a router.
>> Cheap bits save money until the aquired knowledge of the use of the
>> router
>> is attained as a learning curve.
>> No use buying an expensive bit and damaging it in the process of
>> learning.
>>
>> --
>> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>
> I think my opinion falls somewhere between these two - I doubt you'd
> damage a good bit while learning (unless you hit a nail/screw or try to
> remove too much material with a small bit),

True for steel bits with carbide faces, but solid carbide bits are quite
fragile. An upcut or downcut spiral is a lovely thing, but get careless
with it and it easily becomes two pieces of expensive scrap.

> but I agree it's nice to
> have a small set of not-very-expensive bits to practice, and if you
> just need a particular pattern for a small project.
> I started with a 15-piece set of 1/2" shank bits from
> mlcswoodworking.com for about $35 - these are a good step up from the
> common chinese/eBay/Harbor Freight bits, but are much cheaper than the
> high-end $20+each CMT/Whiteside/Amana bits. As I've needed other bits,
> either to replace worn-out bits from my set or to get new patterns,
> I've gotten some nicer bits (Whiteside, Freud, CMT, Onsrud, Infinity)
> and these are another step up from MLCS. The MLCS bits cut very well
> when new, but don't seem to last as long as the nicer ones. I
> particularly like dealing with Infinitytools.com - seems to be a very
> high-quality product for a reasonable price.
> Good luck,
> Andy
>

"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:20:58 -0600, Chris Friesen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me of the woman phoning a computer shop for advice...
>>>
>>> Her.. hello my computer has died.
>>> Him.. Your computer has died?
>>> Her.. Yes the the monitor is dead also.
>>> Him.. Is the computer and Monitor plugged into the mains?
>>> Her..Could you just hold on while I find the torch.
>>> Him..What do you need a torch for?
>>> Her.. I'm sitting in the dark.
>>> Him.. For f**k sake.
>>
>>I used to think this was an urban legend--surely nobody was that ignorant.
>>
>>However, about 6 years back I worked tech support for the local cable
>>company. I actually had pretty much the above conversation with a guy
>>who called wondering why he couldn't get a picture on his TV. I had to
>>put him on hold while I cracked up...
>>
>>Chris
>
> Chris... on at LEAST 3 occasions, I've diagnosed major computer problems
> (In
> professional offices), as the monitor being turned off by energy
> conscience
> cleaning people at night...
> The world is full of technopeasants and if it wasn't, we consultants would
> have
> to go find real jobs.. *shudder*

One time I got a call, the guys computer wouldn't run. So I took him
through the basic trouleshooting step by step. It was basically totally
inert. He was absolutely positively certain the thing was plugged in--in
fact he was irate about this.

So I drove four hours out, on the clock the whole time, on his dime, walked
in, plugged it in, powered it up, and drove back, still on his dime, and
billed him a 1100 bucks for the service call.

"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Funny, though a torch seems somewhat out of place... a flashflight might
> make a little more sense. :)

Go into a store in the UK and ask for a flashlight. They won't know what
your talking about. Ask for a torch and they will direct you to the
flashlights.

>
> I just image some lady sitting there with a big flaming torch!
>
>

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:07:24 GMT, "petebert" <[email protected]> wrote:

>thanks for the replys guys, read the instructions? yes a little.
>
>
LOL... Been there, done that...

As we say in the computer biz, RTFM...
Pertains to reading the manual before asking questions.. *g*

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

Andy wrote:
> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>
>>Jesse R Strawbridge wrote:
>>
>>> From personal experience, buy bits as you need them and buy good
>>>quality. Cheap bits will disappoint you and waste your money.
>>>
>>>Jess.S
>>
>>Sensible advice,however not when just starting out with a router.
>>Cheap bits save money until the aquired knowledge of the use of the router
>>is attained as a learning curve.
>>No use buying an expensive bit and damaging it in the process of learning.
>>
>>--
>>Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>
>
> I think my opinion falls somewhere between these two - I doubt you'd
> damage a good bit while learning (unless you hit a nail/screw or try to
> remove too much material with a small bit), but I agree it's nice to
> have a small set of not-very-expensive bits to practice, and if you
> just need a particular pattern for a small project.
> I started with a 15-piece set of 1/2" shank bits from
> mlcswoodworking.com for about $35 - these are a good step up from the
> common chinese/eBay/Harbor Freight bits, but are much cheaper than the
> high-end $20+each CMT/Whiteside/Amana bits. As I've needed other bits,
> either to replace worn-out bits from my set or to get new patterns,
> I've gotten some nicer bits (Whiteside, Freud, CMT, Onsrud, Infinity)
> and these are another step up from MLCS. The MLCS bits cut very well
> when new, but don't seem to last as long as the nicer ones. I
> particularly like dealing with Infinitytools.com - seems to be a very
> high-quality product for a reasonable price.
> Good luck,
> Andy
>
My experience with cheap bits is they do such a poor job it is
discouraging. Because of them for a long time I never used the router
because I couldn't get the results I wanted.

My problem with the sets is that out of 10 to 15 bits (yes, I have
bought them), I use just 3 or 4. Buying good (not necessarily the best)
quality makes things better. It is probably a good idea to buy a few of
the most used bits in advance (straight, cove, round overs, ogee,
pattern/trim). Woodcraft has a sale once or twice a year with their
most common profiles on sale for $5 each. They are not the best bits
available but they are ok.

Jess.S

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:44:55 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby" <[email protected]> wrote:

>CW wrote:
>
>>
>> Go into a store in the UK and ask for a flashlight. They won't know
>> what your talking about. Ask for a torch and they will direct you to
>> the flashlights.
>>
>
>I'm afaraid you're wrong,both words are recognised.
>However seems if you go into an american store and ask for a Torch chances
>are they will get a blank expression. :-)

Most likely, they'll hand you something that creates heat with propane or
butane...
Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

"petebert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've never used a router, bought a M12V. I see that router bits aint
> cheap and I'd like to get a cheap set just to try putting cuts in wood and
> stuff. The sets all seem to be 1/4", will that work? any adapter needed or
> does it tighten like a drill?
>
>
>

You need a 1/4" collet for 1/4" shank bits. Most routers come with 1/4" and
1/2", or it is available as an accessory. It does not tighten like a drill.

I suppose cheap bits are OK for test cuts, but keep in mind that good
quality bits will not just last longer - they can have less tear-out, better
control through sharper edges, etc.

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:20:58 -0600, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:

>The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of the woman phoning a computer shop for advice...
>>
>> Her.. hello my computer has died.
>> Him.. Your computer has died?
>> Her.. Yes the the monitor is dead also.
>> Him.. Is the computer and Monitor plugged into the mains?
>> Her..Could you just hold on while I find the torch.
>> Him..What do you need a torch for?
>> Her.. I'm sitting in the dark.
>> Him.. For f**k sake.
>
>I used to think this was an urban legend--surely nobody was that ignorant.
>
>However, about 6 years back I worked tech support for the local cable
>company. I actually had pretty much the above conversation with a guy
>who called wondering why he couldn't get a picture on his TV. I had to
>put him on hold while I cracked up...
>
>Chris

Chris... on at LEAST 3 occasions, I've diagnosed major computer problems (In
professional offices), as the monitor being turned off by energy conscience
cleaning people at night...
The world is full of technopeasants and if it wasn't, we consultants would have
to go find real jobs.. *shudder*

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:44:55 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm afaraid you're wrong,both words are recognised.
>However seems if you go into an american store and ask for a Torch chances
>are they will get a blank expression. :-)

Nope they will send you off to the plumbing tools.

Mark
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