I'm making multiple small items and would need hundreds of clamps
(literally) to hold everything in place while the glue sets. I tried
Titebond II (I need some water repelency) but the set time was too
long, the glue expanded and the bond was too thick/uneven. I then
tried Krazy Glue (Gel Craft Type) and it worked perfectly. The only
problem is Krazy Glue is very expensive ($3/ 2gm = .14oz) and I have
no data to indicate what the bond will do over time. I've read second
hand accounts that the Krazy Glue becomes brittle. The parts being
glued are non-moving and I don't want them to be flexible but I'm
uncertain whether some level of flexibility is desirable to account
for wood expansion. That said, does anyone know of any readily
available, cheap alternatives to Krazy Glue? I know Krazy Glue is CA
but I'm leary of trying a total generic from the dollar store. I need
a quick (nearly immediate) set and flow control (can't use sprays).
Thanks in advance.
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 9:49pm (EST-3) [email protected] (Chrisgiraffe)
doth query:
<snip> That said, does anyone know of any readily available, cheap
alternatives to Krazy Glue? <snip>
A couple of brads until the glue sets.
JOAT
Even Popeye didn't eat his spinach until he had to.
"Chrisgiraffe" wrote:
> I'm making multiple small items and would need hundreds of clamps
> (literally) to hold everything in place while the glue sets. I tried
> Titebond II (I need some water repelency) but the set time was too
> long, the glue expanded and the bond was too thick/uneven. I then
> tried Krazy Glue (Gel Craft Type) and it worked perfectly. The only
> problem is Krazy Glue is very expensive ($3/ 2gm = .14oz) and I have
> no data to indicate what the bond will do over time. I've read
second
> hand accounts that the Krazy Glue becomes brittle. The parts being
> glued are non-moving and I don't want them to be flexible but I'm
> uncertain whether some level of flexibility is desirable to account
> for wood expansion. That said, does anyone know of any readily
> available, cheap alternatives to Krazy Glue? I know Krazy Glue is CA
> but I'm leary of trying a total generic from the dollar store. I
need
> a quick (nearly immediate) set and flow control (can't use sprays).
Contact cement or a good quality double back tape such as 3M offers.
Lew
Chrisgiraffe wrote:
> That said, does anyone know of any readily
> available, cheap alternatives to Krazy Glue? I know Krazy Glue is CA
> but I'm leary of trying a total generic from the dollar store. I need
> a quick (nearly immediate) set and flow control (can't use sprays).
Try Lee Valley or any other decent woodworking supply store (or a
hobby/modelling store as someone else suggested).
You can get thin/medium/thick viscosity glues in larger containers. You
can also get accelerator sprays that set the glue almost instantly, at
the cost of a somewhat weaker bond.
Chris
Bob the Tomato wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:54:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>B A R R Y wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
>>>> have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it
>>>> works
>>>> fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have
>>>> never
>>>> tried it).
>>>
>>> I seem to remember something about it being invented as a field
>>> suture
>>> in Vietnam.
>>>
>>> Of course, that also may be an urban legend, but it sounds good...
>>> <G>
>>
>>Urban legend. Eastman 910 was on the market in the '50s--the inventor
>>appeared on the "I've Got a Secret" TV show in 1959--his secret was
>>Eastman 910. The surgical variant came along later, but reportedly
>>was tested in Vietnam--FDA approval didn't come until _much_ later.
>>Now you can buy cyanocrylate based wound closures at most
>>pharamacies--Band-Aid sells one.
>>
Kind of late to the thread, but Cyanoacrylate was invented during WWII by
some the gentleman referenced above at Kodak (hence the Eastman name). He
was working on adhesives to hold lenses together and found this
formulation. During his experimentation, he tried it and was unable to
de-bond the lenses he adhered together. At the time, in his mind this was
a dismal failure and he and others were very unhappy with the fact that not
only did the adhesive not work as they wanted, but they had also ruined
some very expensive and important optics. Another one of those "out of the
ashes" stories.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Nov 30, 10:08 am, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" asked us
>
>
>
> > Do you refrigerate your glue? I have a bottle of "super glue" that has
> > set in my refrigerator when not being used for at least 10 years and is
> > good every time I use it.
>
> Do you keep it next to the mayonaise?
>
> I can see a potential problem here.
>
> Honey, can I keep a bottle of this highly toxic glue next to your prized
> peppers?
>
> Hmmmm..., maybe if I find the right way to present it.
>
> Hmmmmm...
Whatever you do..... do NOT store next to the peanut butter. Any cross-
contamination and the stuff will REALLY stick to the roof of your
mouth...I'm tellin' ya!
Chrisgiraffe <[email protected]> wrote in news:2059a2fa-fabe-49f7-
[email protected]:
> I'm making multiple small items and would need hundreds of clamps
> (literally) to hold everything in place while the glue sets. I tried
> Titebond II (I need some water repelency) but the set time was too
> long, the glue expanded and the bond was too thick/uneven. I then
> tried Krazy Glue (Gel Craft Type) and it worked perfectly. The only
> problem is Krazy Glue is very expensive ($3/ 2gm = .14oz) and I have
> no data to indicate what the bond will do over time. I've read second
> hand accounts that the Krazy Glue becomes brittle. The parts being
> glued are non-moving and I don't want them to be flexible but I'm
> uncertain whether some level of flexibility is desirable to account
> for wood expansion. That said, does anyone know of any readily
> available, cheap alternatives to Krazy Glue? I know Krazy Glue is CA
> but I'm leary of trying a total generic from the dollar store. I need
> a quick (nearly immediate) set and flow control (can't use sprays).
>
> Thanks in advance.
You probably should avoid the total generic from the dollar store. I
don't get good results from the cheap generic super glues, but the higher
cost and quality ones are worth their cost.
This might be a good question to ask at one of your local hobby shops.
Take a look at the yellow pages or hobbyretailer.com (not a plug, just a
occasional visitor) for one.
Puckdropper
--
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> CM wrote:
>> CA glue lasts well over a year if you do "NOT" cap it and keep it in
>> the fridge.
>
> Mine lasts well over a year if I cap it and keep it in the basement.
>
> I do have to drill the dried glue out of the hole if it's been sitting
> for a while.
>
I got mine about 8 months ago. It's still doing good, but has glued the
cap on a couple times. A pair of pliers fixes the problem really quick.
It's been stored about room temperature, capped between uses.
Puckdropper
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Lee Michaels" wrote
>>
>> "Swingman" wrote
>> >
>> > Additionally, and in many instances, I've found that CA glues will
>> > also work
>> > for "after the fact" gluing of small woodworking parts that have
>> > already been finished where traditional woodworking glues would not
>> > bond.
>> >
>>
>> Ahhhhhh....,
>>
>> That goes back to that old adage,
>>
>> "A true craftman knows how to cover his mistakes".
>>
>> Another variation is, "It ain't a mistake if you can't see it".
>
> More like: "Yeah, those corbels were in the original design!" :)
>
>
It's not a mistake if you document it. It's a feature.
Puckdropper
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On Nov 30, 5:12 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> Snip
>
>
>
> > CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
> > have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it works
> > fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have never
> > tried it). The main danger with CA is that it bonds moist tissue very
> > rapidly, so you can glue your fingers together (which is annoying but
> > not disastrous) or glue your eyelids to your eyes (which requires
> > surgical intervention and may result in permanent eye damage).
>
> Toxic or not, you are going to be in a jam if you glue your moth shut. LOL
Whoa, Leon...did you just invent a cure for politicianitis?
J. Clarke wrote:
>
> CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
> have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it works
> fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have never
> tried it).
I seem to remember something about it being invented as a field suture
in Vietnam.
Of course, that also may be an urban legend, but it sounds good... <G>
Chrisgiraffe wrote:
> The only
> problem is Krazy Glue is very expensive ($3/ 2gm = .14oz) and I have
> no data to indicate what the bond will do over time.
Go to a hobby shop that sells radio control airplanes, you can buy CA
(the generic term for Krazy Glue)glue in containers as large as 8 oz.
You can also choose between thin, medium, thick, and gel consistencies,
as well as special blends for different materials.
CA glues should outlast us. I have 15+ year old model airplanes that
have been baked in the sun, frozen, vibrated by engines, stressed by
ugly landings and high-G maneuvering, and soaked with oil and methanol,
that show no signs of glue failure.
"Lee Michaels" wrote
>
> "Swingman" wrote
> >
> > Additionally, and in many instances, I've found that CA glues will also
> > work
> > for "after the fact" gluing of small woodworking parts that have already
> > been finished where traditional woodworking glues would not bond.
> >
>
> Ahhhhhh....,
>
> That goes back to that old adage,
>
> "A true craftman knows how to cover his mistakes".
>
> Another variation is, "It ain't a mistake if you can't see it".
More like: "Yeah, those corbels were in the original design!" :)
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Last update: 11/16/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)
CA glue lasts well over a year if you do "NOT" cap it and keep it in the
fridge.
cm
www.vintagetrailersforsale.com
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> "B A R R Y" wrote
>>>
>>> Go to a hobby shop that sells radio control airplanes, you can buy CA
>>> (the generic term for Krazy Glue)glue in containers as large as 8 oz.
>
> I forgot to mention...
>
> 1.) CA can cure in the bottle over time, and when exposed to moisture.
> Don't buy TOO much! When I was using a lot of it, I never kept for than a
> 3 month supply handy, and kept it tightly capped.
>
> 2.) CA can be set up instantly by breathing moist breath or dusting baking
> soda on the wet glue.
>
> 3.) Your body can get progressively more sensitive to CA fumes. Use
> proper ventilation.
J. Clarke wrote:
>
>
> I do have to drill the dried glue out of the hole if it's been sitting
> for a while.
Right. The plug acts like a cap, sealing the container. <G>
I was using the larger bottles on a regular basis, which probably
exchanged the air in the container more often than a bottle simply
sitting on the shelf.
I also used a decent amount of accelerator, so I'm sure the fumes got
into the bottle and didn't help.
CM wrote:
> CA glue lasts well over a year if you do "NOT" cap it and keep it in
> the fridge.
Mine lasts well over a year if I cap it and keep it in the basement.
I do have to drill the dried glue out of the hole if it's been sitting
for a while.
> cm
>
> www.vintagetrailersforsale.com
>
>
> "B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> "B A R R Y" wrote
>>>>
>>>> Go to a hobby shop that sells radio control airplanes, you can
>>>> buy
>>>> CA (the generic term for Krazy Glue)glue in containers as large
>>>> as
>>>> 8 oz.
>>
>> I forgot to mention...
>>
>> 1.) CA can cure in the bottle over time, and when exposed to
>> moisture. Don't buy TOO much! When I was using a lot of it, I
>> never
>> kept for than a 3 month supply handy, and kept it tightly capped.
>>
>> 2.) CA can be set up instantly by breathing moist breath or dusting
>> baking soda on the wet glue.
>>
>> 3.) Your body can get progressively more sensitive to CA fumes.
>> Use
>> proper ventilation.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Leon" asked us
>>
>> Do you refrigerate your glue? I have a bottle of "super glue" that
>> has set in my refrigerator when not being used for at least 10
>> years and is good every time I use it.
>>
>
> Do you keep it next to the mayonaise?
>
> I can see a potential problem here.
>
> Honey, can I keep a bottle of this highly toxic glue next to your
> prized peppers?
CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it works
fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have never
tried it). The main danger with CA is that it bonds moist tissue very
rapidly, so you can glue your fingers together (which is annoying but
not disastrous) or glue your eyelids to your eyes (which requires
surgical intervention and may result in permanent eye damage).
But if it's really that much of an issue get a beer fridge for the
shop.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
B A R R Y wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>> CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
>> have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it
>> works
>> fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have
>> never
>> tried it).
>
> I seem to remember something about it being invented as a field
> suture
> in Vietnam.
>
> Of course, that also may be an urban legend, but it sounds good...
> <G>
Urban legend. Eastman 910 was on the market in the '50s--the inventor
appeared on the "I've Got a Secret" TV show in 1959--his secret was
Eastman 910. The surgical variant came along later, but reportedly
was tested in Vietnam--FDA approval didn't come until _much_ later.
Now you can buy cyanocrylate based wound closures at most
pharamacies--Band-Aid sells one.
The medical variant has slightly different chemistry, mainly aimed at
reducing heat buidup during cure (which also means that it doesn't
cure in 30 seconds) and at reducing irritation.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Puckdropper wrote:
> Chrisgiraffe <[email protected]> wrote in news:2059a2fa-fabe-49f7-
> [email protected]:
>
>
>>I'm making multiple small items and would need hundreds of clamps
>>(literally) to hold everything in place while the glue sets. I tried
>>Titebond II (I need some water repelency) but the set time was too
>>long, the glue expanded and the bond was too thick/uneven. I then
>>tried Krazy Glue (Gel Craft Type) and it worked perfectly. The only
>>problem is Krazy Glue is very expensive ($3/ 2gm = .14oz) and I have
>>no data to indicate what the bond will do over time. I've read second
>>hand accounts that the Krazy Glue becomes brittle. The parts being
>>glued are non-moving and I don't want them to be flexible but I'm
>>uncertain whether some level of flexibility is desirable to account
>>for wood expansion. That said, does anyone know of any readily
>>available, cheap alternatives to Krazy Glue? I know Krazy Glue is CA
>>but I'm leary of trying a total generic from the dollar store. I need
>>a quick (nearly immediate) set and flow control (can't use sprays).
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>
>
> You probably should avoid the total generic from the dollar store. I
> don't get good results from the cheap generic super glues, but the higher
> cost and quality ones are worth their cost.
>
> This might be a good question to ask at one of your local hobby shops.
> Take a look at the yellow pages or hobbyretailer.com (not a plug, just a
> occasional visitor) for one.
>
Try your favorite search engine using "superglue bulk".
"Leon" asked us
>
> Do you refrigerate your glue? I have a bottle of "super glue" that has
> set in my refrigerator when not being used for at least 10 years and is
> good every time I use it.
>
Do you keep it next to the mayonaise?
I can see a potential problem here.
Honey, can I keep a bottle of this highly toxic glue next to your prized
peppers?
Hmmmm..., maybe if I find the right way to present it.
Hmmmmm...
"Swingman" wrote
>
> Additionally, and in many instances, I've found that CA glues will also
> work
> for "after the fact" gluing of small woodworking parts that have already
> been finished where traditional woodworking glues would not bond.
>
Ahhhhhh....,
That goes back to that old adage,
"A true craftman knows how to cover his mistakes".
Another variation is, "It ain't a mistake if you can't see it".
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:54:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>B A R R Y wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
>>> have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it
>>> works
>>> fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have
>>> never
>>> tried it).
>>
>> I seem to remember something about it being invented as a field
>> suture
>> in Vietnam.
>>
>> Of course, that also may be an urban legend, but it sounds good...
>> <G>
>
>Urban legend. Eastman 910 was on the market in the '50s--the inventor
>appeared on the "I've Got a Secret" TV show in 1959--his secret was
>Eastman 910. The surgical variant came along later, but reportedly
>was tested in Vietnam--FDA approval didn't come until _much_ later.
>Now you can buy cyanocrylate based wound closures at most
>pharamacies--Band-Aid sells one.
>
>The medical variant has slightly different chemistry, mainly aimed at
>reducing heat buidup during cure (which also means that it doesn't
>cure in 30 seconds) and at reducing irritation.
>
>--
I had this used on me during my heart surgery... now if they could do
anything about the SMELL!
> "B A R R Y" wrote
>>
>> Go to a hobby shop that sells radio control airplanes, you can buy CA
>> (the generic term for Krazy Glue)glue in containers as large as 8 oz.
I forgot to mention...
1.) CA can cure in the bottle over time, and when exposed to moisture.
Don't buy TOO much! When I was using a lot of it, I never kept for than
a 3 month supply handy, and kept it tightly capped.
2.) CA can be set up instantly by breathing moist breath or dusting
baking soda on the wet glue.
3.) Your body can get progressively more sensitive to CA fumes. Use
proper ventilation.
Leon wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Snip
>
>
>>CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
>>have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it works
>>fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have never
>>tried it). The main danger with CA is that it bonds moist tissue very
>>rapidly, so you can glue your fingers together (which is annoying but
>>not disastrous) or glue your eyelids to your eyes (which requires
>>surgical intervention and may result in permanent eye damage).
>>
>
>
> Toxic or not, you are going to be in a jam if you glue your moth shut. LOL
>
>
We had a two year old child bite into a tube of Superglue, got it on her lips
and teeth. We rushed her to the ER in a state of semi-panic, not letting her
close her mouth. The ER workers thought it was kind of funny, and just applied
petroleum jelly to fix the problem.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip
>
> CA is not "highly toxic". A relative is used in surgery and people
> have been using it for a quick and dirty band-aid for ages (it works
> fine, despite dire predictions of disaster from those who have never
> tried it). The main danger with CA is that it bonds moist tissue very
> rapidly, so you can glue your fingers together (which is annoying but
> not disastrous) or glue your eyelids to your eyes (which requires
> surgical intervention and may result in permanent eye damage).
>
Toxic or not, you are going to be in a jam if you glue your moth shut. LOL
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> "B A R R Y" wrote
>>>
>>> Go to a hobby shop that sells radio control airplanes, you can buy CA
>>> (the generic term for Krazy Glue)glue in containers as large as 8 oz.
>
> I forgot to mention...
>
> 1.) CA can cure in the bottle over time, and when exposed to moisture.
> Don't buy TOO much! When I was using a lot of it, I never kept for than a
> 3 month supply handy, and kept it tightly capped.
>
> 2.) CA can be set up instantly by breathing moist breath or dusting baking
> soda on the wet glue.
>
> 3.) Your body can get progressively more sensitive to CA fumes. Use
> proper ventilation.
Do you refrigerate you glue? I have a bottle of "super glue" that has set
in my refrigerator when not being used for at least 10 years and is good
every time I use it.
"B A R R Y" wrote
> Chrisgiraffe wrote:
> > The only
> > problem is Krazy Glue is very expensive ($3/ 2gm = .14oz) and I have
> > no data to indicate what the bond will do over time.
>
> Go to a hobby shop that sells radio control airplanes, you can buy CA
> (the generic term for Krazy Glue)glue in containers as large as 8 oz.
> You can also choose between thin, medium, thick, and gel consistencies,
> as well as special blends for different materials.
>
> CA glues should outlast us. I have 15+ year old model airplanes that
> have been baked in the sun, frozen, vibrated by engines, stressed by
> ugly landings and high-G maneuvering, and soaked with oil and methanol,
> that show no signs of glue failure.
Above is good advice and about all the OP needs.
Additionally, and in many instances, I've found that CA glues will also work
for "after the fact" gluing of small woodworking parts that have already
been finished where traditional woodworking glues would not bond.
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Last update: 11/16/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)