How is Tools Plus for doing Business with. I haven't bought anything from
them since I lived in Chesire 10 years ago. I am going to pick up the DJ20
Jointer from them tomorrow. They have an excellent price of $1099 which the
Delta rep said was below cost. Buyer Beware?? Coastal has it for $1375 with
a mobil base and extra set of knives.
I'd appreciate any comments
Rich
On Sun, 9 May 2004 08:21:59 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>http://www.grizzly.com/TentSale/tentpa.cfm?
>
>Have you ever gone?
No, I always either don't need anything at the time of the sale, or
have some schedule conflict.
>
>I assume you work for a company formerly called SNET?? It looks like
>they're not going to strike for now.
We'll see... With any luck, things will get settled soon. Strikes
suck from both sides of the ball.
>PS.. I couldn't send ya an email because it is blocked or something.
Really? That's strange. Every stammer in the world manages to send
me mail, but legitimate folks can't! Go figure...
Barry
On Fri, 7 May 2004 20:48:31 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The Delta rep said it wasn't one of their promotions. CT is just bundling
>and TP is below cost. Too good to be true ?
I again point you to the $1299 Amazon price, with free shipping. The
Delta rep says dealer cost for the tool is $1100+. I find it hard to
believe that Amazon would handle that tool for that small of a gross
margin.
Now, lets look at Coastal. Using a typical retail markup to figure
Coastal's costs on the extras, removing the mobile base and knives
would bring their in-store price to about $1260 ($1349-$90). I again
find it hard to believe that a brick and mortar retail store would
sell that tool for a $160 gross profit or less. Why would Coastal
GIVE away the base and knives, for a gain of $160, GROSS?
Check out the Jet 6" Jointer that Coastal sells for $439, Amazon and
others sell it for $549-599. Do you think that's below Coastal's
cost, or do you think there's a slightly better margin than the Delta
rep hints at?
I don't believe the Delta rep, and being in the bicycle business have
no idea why this person would ever mention pricing to a retail
customer. Maybe different Delta reps have different territories?
Except for real estate and cars, nearly any retail business has
similar fixed costs, and has to operate at similar margins in order
for it to be worthwhile to stay in business.
>Speaking of the Borg. I was there this afternoon and their tool selection
>really sucks.. Mostly Dewalt, Rigid, very little Makita, P&C. Not what it
>use to be like. I don't think CT or TP will have any serious competition.
They don't. I like the "Depot Shoppers" sign in front of TP. <G>
I'd not hesitate to buy again from either store, and usually do so on
a regular basis.
I didn't know TP had the DJ-20 for that price, now I want to buy one
as well!
Barry
> I'm thinking TP may strip the knives and mobile base from the package
> Coastal sells and sell them alone. Nothing wrong with that, if you
> don't want the extras.
The Delta rep said it wasn't one of their promotions. CT is just bundling
and TP is below cost. Too good to be true ?
> I've been told by one dealer's employee (not Coastal or TP) that he
> makes 10% on an $899 machine, and then found the same machine for an
> everyday price of $825 right down the street, and BORGs aren't
> involved. I don't think ANYONE retailing an $825 tool with a gross
> profit of $15.90 will be around long.
I wonder if they do what those Big Apple Electronics stores are famous for.
Stripping out computer components and swapping in cheaper stuff? Swap out
the motor? How can they do it? Make it somewhere else. I noticed some of
the prices of TP other stuff is more expensive than CT. Also, Amazon does
the same thing. It will have higher prices for certain items thean others. I
don't find them all that competitive in pricing.
Speaking of the Borg. I was there this afternoon and their tool selection
really sucks.. Mostly Dewalt, Rigid, very little Makita, P&C. Not what it
use to be like. I don't think CT or TP will have any serious competition.
Rich
Hey Barry:
I'm glad that you got in on the DJ-20 deal. It was too good to be true
kinda deal. That is why I PING'd ya. I knoew you had done biz with them. I
had given the Grizzly route some consideration as well. My Brother-in-law
has some older stuff and it is not that bad. According to him that is. I
have been considering the Gizzly Tent sale
http://www.grizzly.com/TentSale/tentpa.cfm?
Have you ever gone?
> Now if only the SBC/CWA contract gets settled, I won't have to work
16> hour days, and can go get it. <G>
I assume you work for a company formerly called SNET?? It looks like
they're not going to strike for now.
> Having used a DJ-30 and a DJ-20 at CSW
Taking the Cabinet Making Class next weekend at CSW.
Rich
PS.. I couldn't send ya an email because it is blocked or something.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 8 May 2004 17:00:27 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Killer!
> >>
> >> My 6" Rigid is already sold to a guy I work with.
> >>
> >So how long did you have it in for a new Jointer?
>
> A long time. I've been looking for a used DJ-20, and had been
> considering driving to Muncie, PA to finger a Grizzly 8" Professional.
>
> >Was it one of those
> >impulse buys? You gotta love the Price !
>
> A DJ-20 for $1099 sealed the deal! I can get an 8" Grizz for $800,
> plus the time and expense of an 8 hour round trip ride to Muncie. The
> DJ-20 is a known quantity, I've used them and I like them. I think
> it's a the perfect smaller-shop jointer. Having used a DJ-30 and a
> DJ-20 at CSW, I actually prefer the 20 for most operations, as the
> tall fence on the 30 gets in my way.
>
> >Gloat. When I spoke to Bob on
> >Wednesday he had 2 left and you got one and I got the other.
>
> FWIW, when I called this morning, if there was one left, it was yours.
> I still would have reserved it, but you'd have the first shot at it,
> as you found the price first.
>
> Now if only the SBC/CWA contract gets settled, I won't have to work 16
> hour days, and can go get it. <G>
>
> Barry
> Killer!
>
> My 6" Rigid is already sold to a guy I work with.
>
So how long did you have it in for a new Jointer? Was it one of those
impulse buys? You gotta love the Price ! Gloat. When I spoke to Bob on
Wednesday he had 2 left and you got one and I got the other.
Now on to the next item on my list
http://www.woodpeck.com/lssupersystem.html
and I am still on the fence regarding the bandsaw. MM16 or X5 17.
Decisions...decisions...
Rich
I picked up DJ20 this morning and his twin brother was sitting right next to
him awaiting adoption tomorrow. Bob had told me the adoption papers came
through $300 below cost.
Rich
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 9 May 2004 08:21:59 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >http://www.grizzly.com/TentSale/tentpa.cfm?
> >
> >Have you ever gone?
>
> No, I always either don't need anything at the time of the sale, or
> have some schedule conflict.
>
> >
> >I assume you work for a company formerly called SNET?? It looks like
> >they're not going to strike for now.
>
> We'll see... With any luck, things will get settled soon. Strikes
> suck from both sides of the ball.
>
> >PS.. I couldn't send ya an email because it is blocked or something.
>
> Really? That's strange. Every stammer in the world manages to send
> me mail, but legitimate folks can't! Go figure...
>
> Barry
>
On Sat, 8 May 2004 17:00:27 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Killer!
>>
>> My 6" Rigid is already sold to a guy I work with.
>>
>So how long did you have it in for a new Jointer?
A long time. I've been looking for a used DJ-20, and had been
considering driving to Muncie, PA to finger a Grizzly 8" Professional.
>Was it one of those
>impulse buys? You gotta love the Price !
A DJ-20 for $1099 sealed the deal! I can get an 8" Grizz for $800,
plus the time and expense of an 8 hour round trip ride to Muncie. The
DJ-20 is a known quantity, I've used them and I like them. I think
it's a the perfect smaller-shop jointer. Having used a DJ-30 and a
DJ-20 at CSW, I actually prefer the 20 for most operations, as the
tall fence on the 30 gets in my way.
>Gloat. When I spoke to Bob on
>Wednesday he had 2 left and you got one and I got the other.
FWIW, when I called this morning, if there was one left, it was yours.
I still would have reserved it, but you'd have the first shot at it,
as you found the price first.
Now if only the SBC/CWA contract gets settled, I won't have to work 16
hour days, and can go get it. <G>
Barry
On Tue, 11 May 2004 12:49:10 -0400, "RKON"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I picked up DJ20 this morning and his twin brother was sitting right next to
>him awaiting adoption tomorrow.
I have a 1 PM appointment with the tool obstetrician.
A twin gloat if I've ever seen one. <G>
Barry
On Fri, 7 May 2004 19:03:07 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>How is Tools Plus for doing Business with.
I've had good luck with them. I'd trust them again. They were GREAT
to deal with when I bought my General 650. I felt everything was on
the up and up, and I was given full paperwork with the saw.
>I haven't bought anything from
>them since I lived in Chesire 10 years ago. I am going to pick up the DJ20
>Jointer from them tomorrow. They have an excellent price of $1099 which the
>Delta rep said was below cost. Buyer Beware??
It's right there on the website. Since it dosen't include the mobile
base and knives, maybe it's older stock?
Amazon sells it for $1299, with free shipping. Guestimating that
Amazon will pay about $50 to ship it, I don't believe for a minute
that tool dealers make less than $150 on one of these. With that
margin, why sell machine tools?
I'm kind of doubting the rep's story.
Barry
On Fri, 7 May 2004 20:14:10 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I figured I would save $100 when all is totaled up because I want the Mobil
>Base and the Knives. It is the older DJ20 that I want because the motor and
>base are US made. The new X5 is completely made overseas.
I meant older, older, not the X5.
I'm thinking TP may strip the knives and mobile base from the package
Coastal sells and sell them alone. Nothing wrong with that, if you
don't want the extras.
I don't sell tools, but I do have some inside retail information and I
doubt any tool dealer is willing to make the same amount of money on a
DJ-20 as he is with a good variable speed router. There are general
minimum margins on all retail operations to cover fixed costs, it
doesn't matter what you're selling.
I've been told by one dealer's employee (not Coastal or TP) that he
makes 10% on an $899 machine, and then found the same machine for an
everyday price of $825 right down the street, and BORGs aren't
involved. I don't think ANYONE retailing an $825 tool with a gross
profit of $15.90 will be around long.
Barry
Done... Last One is Mine.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rich,
> Check your email!
>
> Barry
> I've had good luck with them. I'd trust them again. They were GREAT
> to deal with when I bought my General 650. I felt everything was on
> the up and up, and I was given full paperwork with the saw.
I knew you purchased your 650 from them and I had always thought of them as
a reputable store and they haven't gone out of business since the Borg moved
in next door. I was going to get the dj20 at Coastal Tools but $100 is $100
and it will cover half the price of the 12v Makita impact driver I have been
waiting for on backorder.
> It's right there on the website. Since it dosen't include the mobile
> base and knives, maybe it's older stock?
I figured I would save $100 when all is totaled up because I want the Mobil
Base and the Knives. It is the older DJ20 that I want because the motor and
base are US made. The new X5 is completely made overseas.
Thanks for the input
Rich
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 7 May 2004 19:03:07 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >How is Tools Plus for doing Business with.
>
> I've had good luck with them. I'd trust them again. They were GREAT
> to deal with when I bought my General 650. I felt everything was on
> the up and up, and I was given full paperwork with the saw.
>
> >I haven't bought anything from
> >them since I lived in Chesire 10 years ago. I am going to pick up the
DJ20
> >Jointer from them tomorrow. They have an excellent price of $1099 which
the
> >Delta rep said was below cost. Buyer Beware??
>
> It's right there on the website. Since it dosen't include the mobile
> base and knives, maybe it's older stock?
>
> Amazon sells it for $1299, with free shipping. Guestimating that
> Amazon will pay about $50 to ship it, I don't believe for a minute
> that tool dealers make less than $150 on one of these. With that
> margin, why sell machine tools?
>
> I'm kind of doubting the rep's story.
>
> Barry
On Sat, 8 May 2004 09:12:50 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Done... Last One is Mine.
Killer!
My 6" Rigid is already sold to a guy I work with.
Barry
> A twin gloat if I've ever seen one. <G>
As Austin Powers would say: Yeah Baby !!
Rich
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 12:49:10 -0400, "RKON"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I picked up DJ20 this morning and his twin brother was sitting right next
to
> >him awaiting adoption tomorrow.
>
> I have a 1 PM appointment with the tool obstetrician.
>
> A twin gloat if I've ever seen one. <G>
>
> Barry