I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call from
a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor Freight.
Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
out-and-out lie.
If you value your privacy, DO NOT BUY FROM HARBOR FREIGHT!
"js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
> I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call
from
> a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
Freight.
> Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
> processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
> out-and-out lie.
Do not give them your email address.
Joel. phx
>
> If you value your privacy, DO NOT BUY FROM HARBOR FREIGHT!
>
>
And the charge the store where you bought your stuff up to 5% for handling
the money. Ask the store for a 5% or 3% cash discount (or whatever they
pay in vendor fee) if you don't charge it. Banks and finance companies
are nothing more than leeches, financial parasites who siphon funds from
the economy without adding comparable value to the overall proposition.
They depend on "stupid consumers" for their survival. Vladimir Lenin,
father of Soviet communism called them "useful idiots". Banks think of
you much the same way -- a number on a computer that they can bilk for
a few more bucks. And the bigger the bank, the worse they are.
CE
Leon wrote:
>
> Citibank has a card that gives a point for every dollar and 5 points for
> every dollar spent at grocery stores, gas stations, and drug stores... 5000
> points = $50.00 in gift certificates to well know places like Home Depot
> Sears, JC Penney, ect.
And the charge the store where you bought your stuff up to 5% for handling
the money. Ask the store for a 5% or 3% cash discount (or whatever they
pay in vendor fee) if you don't charge it. Banks and finance companies
are nothing more than leeches, financial parasites who siphon funds from
the economy without adding comparable value to the overall proposition.
They depend on "stupid consumers" for their survival. Vladimir Lenin,
father of Soviet communism called them "useful idiots". Banks think of
you much the same way -- a number on a computer that they can bilk for
a few more bucks. And the bigger the bank, the worse they are.
CE
Leon wrote:
>
> Citibank has a card that gives a point for every dollar and 5 points for
> every dollar spent at grocery stores, gas stations, and drug stores... 5000
> points = $50.00 in gift certificates to well know places like Home Depot
> Sears, JC Penney, ect.
||Some use the phone number as a file code so they can look up your order or
||for a mailing list. Our local video rental uses the phone number when doing
||the rental thing. Others use it to identify you to the customer service rep
||when you call. It is couples with caller ID and as soon as the CS person
||gets the call, they have your information on the screen available.
||
||Most times I prefer not to give it or use a bogus number. OTOH, if you have
||a special order and they need to contact you . . . . .
Also some stores use your phone number to code sales. I bought a shirt for my
dad at a Men'S Wearhouse store a few months ago. It didn't fit, wife took it
back. We had given them a made-up phone number, and could not remember what we
told them. They refused to exchange the shirt. I drove down there with the
actual receipt and got the job done.
Texas Parts Guy
It was printed on the top of his list.
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> js148 wrote:
> >I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call
from
> >a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
Freight.
>
>
>
> You know, this one just doesn't ring right. I mean, a $5.50
> an hour telemarketer knows where the company they work for
> got your name?
>
> Come on. You're a liar right?
>
> UA100
WRONG!
Companies with whom you have business dealings may still call to maintain
customer relations.
Leading with the names of business with whom the OP was dealing covers their
posterior. Unless you're in Wisconsin, I guess.
"Henry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is your phone number on the national do not call list. If so than you
have
> the telemarketer. When someone calls me i ask their name and tell them I
am
> on the DNC list. You would not beleve how fast they hang up.
>
> Henry Doolittle
George writes:
>
>WRONG!
>
>Companies with whom you have business dealings may still call to maintain
>customer relations.
>
>Leading with the names of business with whom the OP was dealing covers their
>posterior. Unless you're in Wisconsin, I guess.
IIRC, the OP said the TM scum told him they "got" the phone number from Harbor
Freight. That doesn't mean he'd done business with the TMS' company.
Too many of these people are looking for ways around the law. It probably pays
to check with the enforcement types first, but I'd get name, rank and serial
number of the TMS, plus his company, plus making a note of the company that
sold me down the river, and I'd report the bastards if at all possible.
Charlie Self
"Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen." Ambrose Bierce, The
Devil's Dictionary
It's a workaround, that's for sure, but the argument goes that a company he
had been doing business with was offering its customers a deal through....
Credit card types are big on offering "deals" to customers of (any name
here) to circumvent the rules, if the local complaint register is any
indication.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Companies with whom you have business dealings may still call to maintain
> >customer relations.
> IIRC, the OP said the TM scum told him they "got" the phone number from
Harbor
> Freight. That doesn't mean he'd done business with the TMS' company.
>
> Too many of these people are looking for ways around the law. It probably
pays
> to check with the enforcement types first, but I'd get name, rank and
serial
> number of the TMS, plus his company, plus making a note of the company
that
> sold me down the river, and I'd report the bastards if at all possible.
>
On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:25:15 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Come on. You're a liar right?
Lemme guess, you're from rec.woodworking...you've got such a nice,
polite way about you.
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 23:07:17 -0400, "John Flatley" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I guess I don't understand some folks' obsession with answering the
>telephone.
That's what that ringing noise is for.
>That said, I must state the PhoneZap hookup really works.
So does the national do-not-call registry. I signed up with my state
registry over a year ago, which carried over to the national one, and
haven't gotten a single call except from my phone and cable companies
since then, and I just told them I didn't want any sales calls and
that was the end of it.
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:37:52 -0600, Clarke Echols
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Vladimir Lenin,
>father of Soviet communism called them "useful idiots".
I believe that's how Lenin referred to the brainless drones who could
be convinced to unquestioningly parrot the "Party" line...like
slamming capitalism in the name of "fairness." Duh.
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On 24 May 2004 22:51:59 GMT, the renowned Woodchuck Bill
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"SteveB" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:f_rsc.5215$_o.871@fed1read05:
>
>>
>> "js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
>>> I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a
>>> call
>> from
>>> a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
>> Freight.
>
>Discount retailers tend to do this in order to increase their revenue
>streams, unfortunately.
They certainly sell their mailing list. I had a new mailing address
and started getting tons of tool etc. catalogs (many of them
interesting, some not) after ordering a couple of little things from
them.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Gary Coffman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 24 May 2004 23:07:17 -0400, "John Flatley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I guess I don't understand some folks' obsession with answering the
> >telephone. I know that there are family and personal situations that can
> >and do require standing by a telephone for urgent calls.
>
> Ok, I work nights. That means I sleep days. Before the no call lists, I had
> to take the phone off the hook so I could get uninterrupted sleep. But my
> bosses complained that they couldn't get hold of me for emergencies. So
> I had a problem. If I left the phone on the hook, I'd be woken up dozens
> of times a day by the damn telemarketers. If I didn't leave the phone off
> the hook, my bosses would be mad at me when they couldn't reach me.
>
> I opted to let the bosses be pissed, because it was the better alternative
> to my being groggy from interrupted sleep every night at work. But when
> the no call lists came out, I signed up. Very very few telemarketers now
> call. I can leave the phone on the hook and count on getting uninterrupted
> sleep most every day, except when there really is an emergency at work
> (not often).
>
> For people in my situation, the no call lists have been a godsend.
>
> Gary
Friend of mine solved the same problem thusly: When the boss got
upset because he couldn't reach him in an emergency, he explained the
situation and offered to split the cost of a pager. The boss thought
it a great idea and got pagers for several key employees == and he
paid for them...
Jerry
"SRF" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Joel Corwith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
> > > I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a
call
> > from
> > > a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
> > Freight.
> > > Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
> > > processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
> > > out-and-out lie.
> >
> > Do not give them your email address.
> >
> > Joel. phx
> >
>
> How does that prevent them from calling you?
I never said it would. It will prevent a boat load of spam in your email
account however. They don't respect any privacy.
Joel. phx
>
> Steve.
>
>
Yup...I agree...banks and finance companies don't deserve to make a
profit from the services they render. They should do it for free...and
the people that work for them should just donate their time. Of
course...then they wouldn't be able to buy the goods & services that the
rest of us, more deserving people, provide.
Clarke Echols wrote:
> And the charge the store where you bought your stuff up to 5% for handling
> the money. Ask the store for a 5% or 3% cash discount (or whatever they
> pay in vendor fee) if you don't charge it. Banks and finance companies
> are nothing more than leeches, financial parasites who siphon funds from
> the economy without adding comparable value to the overall proposition.
> They depend on "stupid consumers" for their survival. Vladimir Lenin,
> father of Soviet communism called them "useful idiots". Banks think of
> you much the same way -- a number on a computer that they can bilk for
> a few more bucks. And the bigger the bank, the worse they are.
>
> CE
>
> Leon wrote:
>
>>Citibank has a card that gives a point for every dollar and 5 points for
>>every dollar spent at grocery stores, gas stations, and drug stores... 5000
>>points = $50.00 in gift certificates to well know places like Home Depot
>>Sears, JC Penney, ect.
In Canada, Canadian Tire has a master card that does the same thing. 1 cent
on every dollar purchase no matter where and more if it is a Canadian Tire
purchase. So far I've got over $700 worth of free stuff from them and
because I pay the bill every month haven't paid a cent of interest. Air
miles I don't need but free toys from their tool dept. every so often is a
great deal.
Rick
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Derek Hartzell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > There is a Harbor Freight credit card that gives points on purchases
> toward
> > purchases of items at Harbor Freight. They give twice as many points
for
> > purchases from HF as for other purchases.
> >
> > I haven't signed up, but I did receive such an offer through the mail.
> >
> > Derek
>
>
> Citibank has a card that gives a point for every dollar and 5 points for
> every dollar spent at grocery stores, gas stations, and drug stores...
5000
> points = $50.00 in gift certificates to well know places like Home Depot
> Sears, JC Penney, ect.
>
>
"SteveB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I can understand why they ask for your zip code, but phone number
> ...........?
>
> And, I have NEVER had a telemarketer say where they got my phone number.
>
> Steve
Some use the phone number as a file code so they can look up your order or
for a mailing list. Our local video rental uses the phone number when doing
the rental thing. Others use it to identify you to the customer service rep
when you call. It is couples with caller ID and as soon as the CS person
gets the call, they have your information on the screen available.
Most times I prefer not to give it or use a bogus number. OTOH, if you have
a special order and they need to contact you . . . . .
Ed
"Derek Hartzell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There is a Harbor Freight credit card that gives points on purchases
toward
> purchases of items at Harbor Freight. They give twice as many points for
> purchases from HF as for other purchases.
>
> I haven't signed up, but I did receive such an offer through the mail.
>
> Derek
Citibank has a card that gives a point for every dollar and 5 points for
every dollar spent at grocery stores, gas stations, and drug stores... 5000
points = $50.00 in gift certificates to well know places like Home Depot
Sears, JC Penney, ect.
"SteveB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:f_rsc.5215$_o.871@fed1read05...
> And, I have NEVER had a telemarketer say where they got my phone number.
>
> Steve
Easy to do. Just get the first three numbers of your exchange,such as 555
and then
start dialing from 0000 to 9999. I bet I would be able to get your phone
number.
Regards,
Bernd
"SteveB" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:f_rsc.5215$_o.871@fed1read05:
>
> "js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
>> I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a
>> call
> from
>> a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
> Freight.
Discount retailers tend to do this in order to increase their revenue
streams, unfortunately.
--
Bill
Is your phone number on the national do not call list. If so than you have
the telemarketer. When someone calls me i ask their name and tell them I am
on the DNC list. You would not beleve how fast they hang up.
Henry Doolittle
"js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
> I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call
from
> a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
Freight.
> Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
> processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
> out-and-out lie.
>
> If you value your privacy, DO NOT BUY FROM HARBOR FREIGHT!
>
>
Mr. Echols,
Calling potential customers, "stupid consumers" because we have and use
credit cards is not going to help your DC kit sales.
What "comparable value" do you provide? You make and sell DC kits for
consumers --- to make money, plain and simple. You take no responsibility
for the product design (it's someone else's), and no responsibility for how
well the kit works after it's assembled, plus you do not offer a product
warranty that I could find.
How does that differ from a bank or credit card company? They also offer
services --- to make money.
According to your web site, you state, "We accept bank and postal money
orders and cashiers checks as payment" - which cost the consumer.
Then you state "We do not accept credit-card or Pay-Pal because of the fees
charged by banks and others to the seller, and we would have to add them to
our pricing structure. Many banks (though not all) offer cashiers checks at
no charge to regular customers, and postal money orders are usually quite
economical."
One could surmise that you are a hypocrite sir.
Your site as well as your business acumen - still need work. The last time
you posted here, you tried scare tactics - we still aren't biting.
Bob S.
"Clarke Echols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> And the charge the store where you bought your stuff up to 5% for handling
> the money. Ask the store for a 5% or 3% cash discount (or whatever they
> pay in vendor fee) if you don't charge it. Banks and finance companies
> are nothing more than leeches, financial parasites who siphon funds from
> the economy without adding comparable value to the overall proposition.
> They depend on "stupid consumers" for their survival. Vladimir Lenin,
> father of Soviet communism called them "useful idiots". Banks think of
> you much the same way -- a number on a computer that they can bilk for
> a few more bucks. And the bigger the bank, the worse they are.
>
On Mon, 24 May 2004 23:07:17 -0400, "John Flatley" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I guess I don't understand some folks' obsession with answering the
>telephone. I know that there are family and personal situations that can
>and do require standing by a telephone for urgent calls.
Ok, I work nights. That means I sleep days. Before the no call lists, I had
to take the phone off the hook so I could get uninterrupted sleep. But my
bosses complained that they couldn't get hold of me for emergencies. So
I had a problem. If I left the phone on the hook, I'd be woken up dozens
of times a day by the damn telemarketers. If I didn't leave the phone off
the hook, my bosses would be mad at me when they couldn't reach me.
I opted to let the bosses be pissed, because it was the better alternative
to my being groggy from interrupted sleep every night at work. But when
the no call lists came out, I signed up. Very very few telemarketers now
call. I can leave the phone on the hook and count on getting uninterrupted
sleep most every day, except when there really is an emergency at work
(not often).
For people in my situation, the no call lists have been a godsend.
Gary
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 05:23:38 GMT, [email protected] (Chuck) wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:37:52 -0600, Clarke Echols
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Vladimir Lenin,
>>father of Soviet communism called them "useful idiots".
>
>I believe that's how Lenin referred to the brainless drones who could
>be convinced to unquestioningly parrot the "Party" line...like
>slamming capitalism in the name of "fairness." Duh.
Thanks Chuck, you beat me to it.
"js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
> I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call
from
> a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
Freight.
> Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
> processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
> out-and-out lie.
>
> If you value your privacy, DO NOT BUY FROM HARBOR FREIGHT!
>
>
If you value your privacy, do not give out that information. .......... DUH
....................
I have had retailers ask me my phone numbers. If it is a cute little gal, I
usually have some fun with it. If it is a dowdy frump, or a male, I say,
"Sorry, I'm married", or "Sorry, I am not gay." Or, if I just want them to
get the message, I say, "555-5555." Some give me a second look. Some enter
that number.
I can understand why they ask for your zip code, but phone number
...........?
And, I have NEVER had a telemarketer say where they got my phone number.
Steve
Have you contacted Harbor Freight? _Perhaps_ someone in their employ who
has access to your info is, _contrary to their policy_
releasing/selling/providing that info to outside telemarketers? Express
your displeasure to HF...politely, and see what they say.
DexAZ
"js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
> I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call
from
> a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
Freight.
> Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
> processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
> out-and-out lie.
>
> If you value your privacy, DO NOT BUY FROM HARBOR FREIGHT!
>
>
js148 wrote:
>I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call from
>a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor Freight.
You know, this one just doesn't ring right. I mean, a $5.50
an hour telemarketer knows where the company they work for
got your name?
Come on. You're a liar right?
UA100
"Henry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is your phone number on the national do not call list. If so than you
have
> the telemarketer. When someone calls me i ask their name and tell them I
am
> on the DNC list. You would not beleve how fast they hang up.
>
Good point, this may be a work around for it. IIRC, if you do business with
a company they can still call you.this means magazines you subscribe to,
credit cards, etc. Maybe they are using this as an extension of that.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
I guess I don't understand some folks' obsession with answering the
telephone. I know that there are family and personal situations that can
and do require standing by a telephone for urgent calls.
That said, I must state the PhoneZap hookup really works. My wife and I
have adjusted to ignoring the first telephone ring. Since the second ring
depends on the caller pressing 2 on their telephone, auto-dialers are
eliminated. We are finding 99.99% of the sales calls are blocked. We have
Caller ID on our line to supplement the Zapper if we are expecting a call.
Friends and relatives are quickly trained.
I have no connection to any Zapper business; just a satisfied user.
Jack
"js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
> I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call
from
> a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
Freight.
> Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
> processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
> out-and-out lie.
>
> If you value your privacy, DO NOT BUY FROM HARBOR FREIGHT!
>
>
"Joel Corwith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "js148" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:lHosc.44503$Md.12737@lakeread05...
> > I have, on occasion, purchased from Harbor Freight. Today I got a call
> from
> > a credit card telemarketer saying that they got my name from Harbor
> Freight.
> > Their statement, on their web page, that your information is for order
> > processing only and they do not release it to third-parties is an
> > out-and-out lie.
>
> Do not give them your email address.
>
> Joel. phx
>
How does that prevent them from calling you?
Steve.
"SteveB" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I can understand why they ask for your zip code, but phone number
>...........?
>
>And, I have NEVER had a telemarketer say where they got my phone number.
>
>Steve
For Zip code, I usually give an old one, the GE Schenectady NY Main
Plant. 12345. Amazing how many people don't think that is a real
zip.
>
jk