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[email protected] (Ed Lowenstein)

30/07/2004 10:54 AM

a David Marks tip

I saw David do something on a recent show that seems real trivial
until I realized that I didn't do it.
He was bringing a line around a rectangular piece of stock using a
tri-square to transfer tyhe line from one surface to the next. Rather
than trying to line up the tri-square edge on the edge he was
transferring, he put his pencil point on the line, then slid his
tri-square to that point. Yeah, I know it's trivial but I've done that
transferring around a rectangle many times and usually wind up on the
4th side 1/16 or greater than where I started. Using his method, It
his right on the money.For what it's worth.
---> Ed


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charlie b

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

30/07/2004 5:18 PM

Norman D. Crow wrote:

> Another way is Lee Valley's "Saddle Square", designed to transfer the line
> around the corner.
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=44836&category=1,42936
>
> --
> Nahmie

They now also have a saddle dovetail marking gauge.

If you use a marking knife rather than a pencil for layout
you can drop the knife into a scribed line at a corner,
move you're square to it and cut the next line.

charlie b

ET

"Eric Tonks"

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

30/07/2004 6:08 PM

I know what you mean. I was a graphic artist who worked exclusively in hand
ruling (in ink) of business forms. I can work/convert/divide in points,
picas, 1/16ths & 1/8ths, tenths and 5/32nds in my head. Computers took over,
but the skill helps out in woodworking and other jobs.

PS. One trick I picked up many years (decades) ago: Do you have problems
keeping a sharp point on your pencil when drawing guide lines on your wood
or drafting. When drawing the line don't keep your pencil vertical, keep it
at an angle somewhere between 60, 45 or 30 degrees above where you are
drawing the line and twirl the pencil as you draw the line. This way the
wear is spread all around the lead and keeps the point sharper and the
resulting line finer, much longer. It is a trick that is easy to use and
really works.

"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:xrxOc.217$wC3.87@okepread07...
> Ahhh - Another draftsman and all the baggage that comes with it (good and
> bad). I learned the trade at Pittsburg State Univ (Ks) in the late 60's
> then went on to do aircraft and airframe design for several years. I
still
> use a lot of drafting practices in my wood project designs and layouts.
> After years of doing aircraft design, my mind thinks in hundreds and
> thousandths and I find myself constantly converting from decimal to
> fractional equivalents - easier to do the math.
>
>
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Before converting to the computer, I did this also in drafting. I
> naturally
> > kept it up when doing woodworking.
> >
> >
>
>

Gg

"George"

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

31/07/2004 9:24 AM

Got one for father's day. Works as advertised. No parallax and doesn't
care if I'm near the line on my bifocals.

"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Another way is Lee Valley's "Saddle Square", designed to transfer the line
> around the corner.
>
>
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=44836&category=1,42936
>

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

31/07/2004 10:51 AM

"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message
> Another way is Lee Valley's "Saddle Square", designed to transfer the line
> around the corner.
>
>
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=44836&category=1,42936

Cheaper, and works just as well in a pinch, is a good old fashioned butt
hinge.

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"Leon"

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

30/07/2004 7:08 PM

Before converting to the computer, I did this also in drafting. I naturally
kept it up when doing woodworking.

ND

"Norman D. Crow"

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

30/07/2004 5:24 PM




"Ed Lowenstein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw David do something on a recent show that seems real trivial
> until I realized that I didn't do it.
> He was bringing a line around a rectangular piece of stock using a
> tri-square to transfer tyhe line from one surface to the next. Rather
> than trying to line up the tri-square edge on the edge he was
> transferring, he put his pencil point on the line, then slid his
> tri-square to that point. Yeah, I know it's trivial but I've done that
> transferring around a rectangle many times and usually wind up on the
> 4th side 1/16 or greater than where I started. Using his method, It
> his right on the money.For what it's worth.
> ---> Ed

Another way is Lee Valley's "Saddle Square", designed to transfer the line
around the corner.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=44836&category=1,42936

--
Nahmie
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.



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Joe Gorman

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

02/08/2004 8:38 AM



Swingman wrote:

> "Norman D. Crow" wrote in message
>
>>Another way is Lee Valley's "Saddle Square", designed to transfer the line
>>around the corner.
>>
>>
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=44836&category=1,42936
>
> Cheaper, and works just as well in a pinch, is a good old fashioned butt
> hinge.
>

Yes, but then you can't add a few items from the Special buys section, or
pick that 'one last item' you've been meaning to get for the last year,
month or week;-)
Joe

TF

"Todd Fatheree"

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

30/07/2004 1:45 PM

"Ed Lowenstein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw David do something on a recent show that seems real trivial
> until I realized that I didn't do it.
> He was bringing a line around a rectangular piece of stock using a
> tri-square to transfer tyhe line from one surface to the next. Rather
> than trying to line up the tri-square edge on the edge he was
> transferring, he put his pencil point on the line, then slid his
> tri-square to that point. Yeah, I know it's trivial but I've done that
> transferring around a rectangle many times and usually wind up on the
> 4th side 1/16 or greater than where I started. Using his method, It
> his right on the money.For what it's worth.
> ---> Ed

Something else I was taught was not to wrap the line all the way around in
one direction. Go part way around one way and the rest of the way the other
way around. It prevents any errors from building more than necessary.

todd

Rr

"RonB"

in reply to [email protected] (Ed Lowenstein) on 30/07/2004 10:54 AM

30/07/2004 2:37 PM

Ahhh - Another draftsman and all the baggage that comes with it (good and
bad). I learned the trade at Pittsburg State Univ (Ks) in the late 60's
then went on to do aircraft and airframe design for several years. I still
use a lot of drafting practices in my wood project designs and layouts.
After years of doing aircraft design, my mind thinks in hundreds and
thousandths and I find myself constantly converting from decimal to
fractional equivalents - easier to do the math.



"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Before converting to the computer, I did this also in drafting. I
naturally
> kept it up when doing woodworking.
>
>


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