Am in the midst of making new doors for kitchen.
Since I have a small compressor went out and bought a Porter & Cable spray
gun.
Compressor has very low SCFM, so does the gun.
Using SMART START primer, filtered right out of the can, have sprayed a
bunch of the doors. Got mixed results, the finish on the maple was
acceptable, the finish on the MDF wasn't. Very hard to get uniform coverage
and MDF requires extra sanding between coats due to raised hair effect.
Using a latex semigloss top coat, again just filtered from the can, have
applied sereral top costs. Am now totally discouraged as I am having a
number of different problems
a) fan pattern from spray gun is only, at best, about 2 inches high so there
is a lot of back and forth to try to cover the area (not too bad on rails &
styles but murder on the MDF)
b) inconsistent finish on maple - sometimes getting puddling due I guess to
the way that I am spraying, also with last coat applied today is not smooth
is quite bumpy - I guess it is what could almost be called a splatter finish
c) inconsistent finish on MDF - after trying several different methods have
found that doing a small circle motion seems to give best coverage but still
raising hairs on the MDF
Have looked for links for spray painting cupboards with paint rather than
varnish but can't seem to find anything, so if there are some links can you
please pass them along.
Also any suggestions re painting using a small sprayer, impact of thinning
paints, tips and techniques would be greatfully appreciated. Want to explore
some more before I toss in the towel and go back to brush and roller.
Thanks
Keith
Yes, that stuff works great. I used the max per quart along with the max
amount of water for thinning the latex and brushed it on. Do not go back
over it to smooth it out, the FloTrol will do that. Do a test piece then
you'll know what to expect. If you over thin it, you can change / ruin the
paint. Not a chemist but I did it per the instructions and you can't see a
brush stroke on the doors.
Spraying (not HVLP) was another matter and it sounds like you're having
better luck than I did though. Maybe try spraying it on, then quickly
hitting it with a wet brush may do it.
Bob S.
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for the come back Bob
>
> I did go out today to HD and buy theFloTrol and it did make a bit of a
> difference on the primer, got good consistent coverage, quickly and easily
> with minmal splattering.
> The top coat however is a different matter, seems that I only get good
> coverage and sorta smooth finish when I keep the gun about 4 inches away
> from the surface but then that reduces the fan/spray to about 2" which
means
> a lot of strokes back and forth - still not happy.
>
> You mention using a brush with the flow agent, does the FloTrol help
> reduce/eliminate the brush strokes?
>
> Keith
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Keith,
> >
> > Use a flow agent (FloTrol for latex) and thin as per instructions for
> > spraying.
> >
> > I'm assuming you're spraying latex ? If so, good luck unless you have a
> > high-end HVLP setup. Lot's of cussin' and discussions on spraying
latex.
> > My experience was a disaster and ended up using a good brush and the
flow
> > agent. The flow agent is not a thinner and do not thin more than what
the
> > instructions say.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Bob S.
> >
> > "Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > While I was pondering my finish problems I remembered back to when I
was
> a
> > > kid with a wooden sailboat and all of those hours I spent wet sanding
> the
> > > hull to get it glassy smooth. So I dug up some wetsandpaper and tried
it
> > > out.
> > >
> > > It did a decent job with a bit of elbow grease, didn't damage the
edges
> at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Then I cleaned and cleaned and recleaned the gun, shook and shook and
> > > reshook the paint and tried another coat.
> > >
> > > Used the box pattern or whatever it is called and the result was
better
> > than
> > > before but still a patchy look to the finish - will this go away if a
> > spray
> > > a clean varnich finish ontop? Did a couple of doors with primer and
they
> > are
> > > definitely better than before.
> > >
> > > Wife looked at my efforts last night told me a was a dummy - I used
the
> > > wrong paint - I used the old kitchen paint not the current kitchen
> paint,
> > so
> > > I need to respray now anyways.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions on how to improve?
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > "Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Sorry about that I didn't realise that I was set up as a phony user.
> > > > Keith
> > > > "Hey You" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Am in the midst of making new doors for kitchen.
> > > > > Since I have a small compressor went out and bought a Porter &
Cable
> > > spray
> > > > > gun.
> > > > > Compressor has very low SCFM, so does the gun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Using SMART START primer, filtered right out of the can, have
> sprayed
> > a
> > > > > bunch of the doors. Got mixed results, the finish on the maple was
> > > > > acceptable, the finish on the MDF wasn't. Very hard to get uniform
> > > > coverage
> > > > > and MDF requires extra sanding between coats due to raised hair
> > effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Using a latex semigloss top coat, again just filtered from the
can,
> > have
> > > > > applied sereral top costs. Am now totally discouraged as I am
having
> a
> > > > > number of different problems
> > > > > a) fan pattern from spray gun is only, at best, about 2 inches
high
> so
> > > > there
> > > > > is a lot of back and forth to try to cover the area (not too bad
on
> > > rails
> > > > &
> > > > > styles but murder on the MDF)
> > > > > b) inconsistent finish on maple - sometimes getting puddling due I
> > guess
> > > > to
> > > > > the way that I am spraying, also with last coat applied today is
not
> > > > smooth
> > > > > is quite bumpy - I guess it is what could almost be called a
> splatter
> > > > finish
> > > > > c) inconsistent finish on MDF - after trying several different
> methods
> > > > have
> > > > > found that doing a small circle motion seems to give best coverage
> but
> > > > still
> > > > > raising hairs on the MDF
> > > > >
> > > > > Have looked for links for spray painting cupboards with paint
rather
> > > than
> > > > > varnish but can't seem to find anything, so if there are some
links
> > can
> > > > you
> > > > > please pass them along.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also any suggestions re painting using a small sprayer, impact of
> > > thinning
> > > > > paints, tips and techniques would be greatfully appreciated. Want
to
> > > > explore
> > > > > some more before I toss in the towel and go back to brush and
> roller.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Keith
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
While I was pondering my finish problems I remembered back to when I was a
kid with a wooden sailboat and all of those hours I spent wet sanding the
hull to get it glassy smooth. So I dug up some wetsandpaper and tried it
out.
It did a decent job with a bit of elbow grease, didn't damage the edges at
all.
Then I cleaned and cleaned and recleaned the gun, shook and shook and
reshook the paint and tried another coat.
Used the box pattern or whatever it is called and the result was better than
before but still a patchy look to the finish - will this go away if a spray
a clean varnich finish ontop? Did a couple of doors with primer and they are
definitely better than before.
Wife looked at my efforts last night told me a was a dummy - I used the
wrong paint - I used the old kitchen paint not the current kitchen paint, so
I need to respray now anyways.
Any suggestions on how to improve?
Keith
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sorry about that I didn't realise that I was set up as a phony user.
> Keith
> "Hey You" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Am in the midst of making new doors for kitchen.
> > Since I have a small compressor went out and bought a Porter & Cable
spray
> > gun.
> > Compressor has very low SCFM, so does the gun.
> >
> > Using SMART START primer, filtered right out of the can, have sprayed a
> > bunch of the doors. Got mixed results, the finish on the maple was
> > acceptable, the finish on the MDF wasn't. Very hard to get uniform
> coverage
> > and MDF requires extra sanding between coats due to raised hair effect.
> >
> > Using a latex semigloss top coat, again just filtered from the can, have
> > applied sereral top costs. Am now totally discouraged as I am having a
> > number of different problems
> > a) fan pattern from spray gun is only, at best, about 2 inches high so
> there
> > is a lot of back and forth to try to cover the area (not too bad on
rails
> &
> > styles but murder on the MDF)
> > b) inconsistent finish on maple - sometimes getting puddling due I guess
> to
> > the way that I am spraying, also with last coat applied today is not
> smooth
> > is quite bumpy - I guess it is what could almost be called a splatter
> finish
> > c) inconsistent finish on MDF - after trying several different methods
> have
> > found that doing a small circle motion seems to give best coverage but
> still
> > raising hairs on the MDF
> >
> > Have looked for links for spray painting cupboards with paint rather
than
> > varnish but can't seem to find anything, so if there are some links can
> you
> > please pass them along.
> >
> > Also any suggestions re painting using a small sprayer, impact of
thinning
> > paints, tips and techniques would be greatfully appreciated. Want to
> explore
> > some more before I toss in the towel and go back to brush and roller.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Keith
> >
> >
>
>
Thanks for the come back Bob
I did go out today to HD and buy theFloTrol and it did make a bit of a
difference on the primer, got good consistent coverage, quickly and easily
with minmal splattering.
The top coat however is a different matter, seems that I only get good
coverage and sorta smooth finish when I keep the gun about 4 inches away
from the surface but then that reduces the fan/spray to about 2" which means
a lot of strokes back and forth - still not happy.
You mention using a brush with the flow agent, does the FloTrol help
reduce/eliminate the brush strokes?
Keith
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Keith,
>
> Use a flow agent (FloTrol for latex) and thin as per instructions for
> spraying.
>
> I'm assuming you're spraying latex ? If so, good luck unless you have a
> high-end HVLP setup. Lot's of cussin' and discussions on spraying latex.
> My experience was a disaster and ended up using a good brush and the flow
> agent. The flow agent is not a thinner and do not thin more than what the
> instructions say.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Bob S.
>
> "Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > While I was pondering my finish problems I remembered back to when I was
a
> > kid with a wooden sailboat and all of those hours I spent wet sanding
the
> > hull to get it glassy smooth. So I dug up some wetsandpaper and tried it
> > out.
> >
> > It did a decent job with a bit of elbow grease, didn't damage the edges
at
> > all.
> >
> > Then I cleaned and cleaned and recleaned the gun, shook and shook and
> > reshook the paint and tried another coat.
> >
> > Used the box pattern or whatever it is called and the result was better
> than
> > before but still a patchy look to the finish - will this go away if a
> spray
> > a clean varnich finish ontop? Did a couple of doors with primer and they
> are
> > definitely better than before.
> >
> > Wife looked at my efforts last night told me a was a dummy - I used the
> > wrong paint - I used the old kitchen paint not the current kitchen
paint,
> so
> > I need to respray now anyways.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to improve?
> >
> > Keith
> > "Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Sorry about that I didn't realise that I was set up as a phony user.
> > > Keith
> > > "Hey You" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Am in the midst of making new doors for kitchen.
> > > > Since I have a small compressor went out and bought a Porter & Cable
> > spray
> > > > gun.
> > > > Compressor has very low SCFM, so does the gun.
> > > >
> > > > Using SMART START primer, filtered right out of the can, have
sprayed
> a
> > > > bunch of the doors. Got mixed results, the finish on the maple was
> > > > acceptable, the finish on the MDF wasn't. Very hard to get uniform
> > > coverage
> > > > and MDF requires extra sanding between coats due to raised hair
> effect.
> > > >
> > > > Using a latex semigloss top coat, again just filtered from the can,
> have
> > > > applied sereral top costs. Am now totally discouraged as I am having
a
> > > > number of different problems
> > > > a) fan pattern from spray gun is only, at best, about 2 inches high
so
> > > there
> > > > is a lot of back and forth to try to cover the area (not too bad on
> > rails
> > > &
> > > > styles but murder on the MDF)
> > > > b) inconsistent finish on maple - sometimes getting puddling due I
> guess
> > > to
> > > > the way that I am spraying, also with last coat applied today is not
> > > smooth
> > > > is quite bumpy - I guess it is what could almost be called a
splatter
> > > finish
> > > > c) inconsistent finish on MDF - after trying several different
methods
> > > have
> > > > found that doing a small circle motion seems to give best coverage
but
> > > still
> > > > raising hairs on the MDF
> > > >
> > > > Have looked for links for spray painting cupboards with paint rather
> > than
> > > > varnish but can't seem to find anything, so if there are some links
> can
> > > you
> > > > please pass them along.
> > > >
> > > > Also any suggestions re painting using a small sprayer, impact of
> > thinning
> > > > paints, tips and techniques would be greatfully appreciated. Want to
> > > explore
> > > > some more before I toss in the towel and go back to brush and
roller.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
FloTrol works very well when brushing on latex. Using a foam brush
helps too. The paint will self level very well and provide a nice finish.
Tim
Keith wrote:
> Thanks for the come back Bob
>
> I did go out today to HD and buy theFloTrol and it did make a bit of a
> difference on the primer, got good consistent coverage, quickly and easily
> with minmal splattering.
> The top coat however is a different matter, seems that I only get good
> coverage and sorta smooth finish when I keep the gun about 4 inches away
> from the surface but then that reduces the fan/spray to about 2" which means
> a lot of strokes back and forth - still not happy.
>
> You mention using a brush with the flow agent, does the FloTrol help
> reduce/eliminate the brush strokes?
>
> Keith
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
--
No BoomBoom for me! - [email protected]
Keith,
Use a flow agent (FloTrol for latex) and thin as per instructions for
spraying.
I'm assuming you're spraying latex ? If so, good luck unless you have a
high-end HVLP setup. Lot's of cussin' and discussions on spraying latex.
My experience was a disaster and ended up using a good brush and the flow
agent. The flow agent is not a thinner and do not thin more than what the
instructions say.
Good luck,
Bob S.
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> While I was pondering my finish problems I remembered back to when I was a
> kid with a wooden sailboat and all of those hours I spent wet sanding the
> hull to get it glassy smooth. So I dug up some wetsandpaper and tried it
> out.
>
> It did a decent job with a bit of elbow grease, didn't damage the edges at
> all.
>
> Then I cleaned and cleaned and recleaned the gun, shook and shook and
> reshook the paint and tried another coat.
>
> Used the box pattern or whatever it is called and the result was better
than
> before but still a patchy look to the finish - will this go away if a
spray
> a clean varnich finish ontop? Did a couple of doors with primer and they
are
> definitely better than before.
>
> Wife looked at my efforts last night told me a was a dummy - I used the
> wrong paint - I used the old kitchen paint not the current kitchen paint,
so
> I need to respray now anyways.
>
> Any suggestions on how to improve?
>
> Keith
> "Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Sorry about that I didn't realise that I was set up as a phony user.
> > Keith
> > "Hey You" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Am in the midst of making new doors for kitchen.
> > > Since I have a small compressor went out and bought a Porter & Cable
> spray
> > > gun.
> > > Compressor has very low SCFM, so does the gun.
> > >
> > > Using SMART START primer, filtered right out of the can, have sprayed
a
> > > bunch of the doors. Got mixed results, the finish on the maple was
> > > acceptable, the finish on the MDF wasn't. Very hard to get uniform
> > coverage
> > > and MDF requires extra sanding between coats due to raised hair
effect.
> > >
> > > Using a latex semigloss top coat, again just filtered from the can,
have
> > > applied sereral top costs. Am now totally discouraged as I am having a
> > > number of different problems
> > > a) fan pattern from spray gun is only, at best, about 2 inches high so
> > there
> > > is a lot of back and forth to try to cover the area (not too bad on
> rails
> > &
> > > styles but murder on the MDF)
> > > b) inconsistent finish on maple - sometimes getting puddling due I
guess
> > to
> > > the way that I am spraying, also with last coat applied today is not
> > smooth
> > > is quite bumpy - I guess it is what could almost be called a splatter
> > finish
> > > c) inconsistent finish on MDF - after trying several different methods
> > have
> > > found that doing a small circle motion seems to give best coverage but
> > still
> > > raising hairs on the MDF
> > >
> > > Have looked for links for spray painting cupboards with paint rather
> than
> > > varnish but can't seem to find anything, so if there are some links
can
> > you
> > > please pass them along.
> > >
> > > Also any suggestions re painting using a small sprayer, impact of
> thinning
> > > paints, tips and techniques would be greatfully appreciated. Want to
> > explore
> > > some more before I toss in the towel and go back to brush and roller.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Sorry about that I didn't realise that I was set up as a phony user.
Keith
"Hey You" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Am in the midst of making new doors for kitchen.
> Since I have a small compressor went out and bought a Porter & Cable spray
> gun.
> Compressor has very low SCFM, so does the gun.
>
> Using SMART START primer, filtered right out of the can, have sprayed a
> bunch of the doors. Got mixed results, the finish on the maple was
> acceptable, the finish on the MDF wasn't. Very hard to get uniform
coverage
> and MDF requires extra sanding between coats due to raised hair effect.
>
> Using a latex semigloss top coat, again just filtered from the can, have
> applied sereral top costs. Am now totally discouraged as I am having a
> number of different problems
> a) fan pattern from spray gun is only, at best, about 2 inches high so
there
> is a lot of back and forth to try to cover the area (not too bad on rails
&
> styles but murder on the MDF)
> b) inconsistent finish on maple - sometimes getting puddling due I guess
to
> the way that I am spraying, also with last coat applied today is not
smooth
> is quite bumpy - I guess it is what could almost be called a splatter
finish
> c) inconsistent finish on MDF - after trying several different methods
have
> found that doing a small circle motion seems to give best coverage but
still
> raising hairs on the MDF
>
> Have looked for links for spray painting cupboards with paint rather than
> varnish but can't seem to find anything, so if there are some links can
you
> please pass them along.
>
> Also any suggestions re painting using a small sprayer, impact of thinning
> paints, tips and techniques would be greatfully appreciated. Want to
explore
> some more before I toss in the towel and go back to brush and roller.
>
> Thanks
> Keith
>
>