Ouch!

On 1/18/2013 1:30 PM, Leon wrote:

> Thought for sure you were going to shoe these clamps. did you forget
> these?
>
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Adjustable-Clamp-Pony-2-Pk-Cabinet-Claw-8510/14299555?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=14299555&sourceid=1500000000000003260430


About four hours ago ... in the conversation about the 8510's :)

On 1/18/2013 9:45 AM, Swingman wrote:> On 1/18/2013 9:35 AM,
Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>> Okay, I will admit to having purchased a set of the Jorgensen 8510
>> "Cabinet Claw" clamps about a dozen years ago when doing a full kitchen
>> makeover. Hey! It seemed a good idea at the time and it actually was.
>
> Absolutely!
>
> Like you, I love my Jorgensen 8510's ... but for _face frame_ cabinets,
> not frameless, which is what this clown is selling.
>
> I use the Jorgensen 8510's exclusively when joining face frame cabinets.
> Well worth the price, and nothing beats them for functionality and ease
> of use for that application, IME.


Maybe you didn't get it from the server?

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On 1/18/2013 8:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Marketing to the masses, AKA the eternal quest to come up with something
> new to screw the woodworking consumer?
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2084652/39485/jorgenson-casework-claw-set-model-8540.aspx?refcode=13IN01RL&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1-17-13&utm_campaign=13IN01RL
>
>
> Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...

I wonder too.

Okay, I will admit to having purchased a set of the Jorgensen 8510
"Cabinet Claw" clamps about a dozen years ago when doing a full kitchen
makeover. Hey! It seemed a good idea at the time and it actually was.

Google the 8510 and compare the difference to the "new improved" P.O.S.
depicted in Woodcraft's ad.

The 8510 was heavy duty, large knobs to clamp down, no flex, snugged the
face frames dead nuts flat and the stiles as tight as could be AND each
was equipped with a bushed pilot drill hole to get your screws started
perfectly perpendicular after everything was correctly positioned.
Think I paid $49 or $55 for them early in the Millennium and have loaned
the out to several buddies over the years.

Looking at the new ones, I wouldn't give them a second look. Improved?
I don't think so. Not at the price I paid back in the day and for
damn sure not what they are looking to get now.


> No thanks ... and don't bother with the video if you don't want to puke.

The video is the best part. That clown from Jorgensen is a really great
spokesperson, eh? I wonder if he ever used a clamp?

On 1/18/2013 10:05 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:45:25 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I use the Jorgensen 8510's exclusively when joining face frame cabinets.
>> Well worth the price, and nothing beats them for functionality and ease
>> of use for that application, IME.
>
> I bought a pair of these some twenty years ago. Not as fast to use as
> your 8510's, but they still work well and are very adjustable.
> http://goo.gl/54yhB
>


Happened to be in Menard's last night and lo and behold they still have
the 8510's in stock. $59.95.

Whatever is Jorgensen thinking with that new crap that Karl stumbled
across for the big bucks?

The size alone - compared to the 8510's - had me thinking, "Here's a guy
using a jeweler's hammmer for some framing.<g>

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:45:25 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>I use the Jorgensen 8510's exclusively when joining face frame cabinets.
>Well worth the price, and nothing beats them for functionality and ease
>of use for that application, IME.

I bought a pair of these some twenty years ago. Not as fast to use as
your 8510's, but they still work well and are very adjustable.
http://goo.gl/54yhB

On 1/18/2013 9:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>
>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> Marketing to the masses, AKA the eternal quest to come up with
>> something new to screw the woodworking consumer?
>>
>> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2084652/39485/jorgenson-casework-claw-set-model-8540.aspx?>refcode=13IN01RL&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1-17-13&utm_campaign=13IN01RL
>>
>>
>> Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...
>
> Harbor Freight will have them out soon... and Sears. Of course one of
> them will have alignment and thread issues and flex in use, and the
> other one's design will be tinkered with to the point of making it
> beyond stupid in use... built in laser levels and tape measure as "added
> features." ;~)

:) But, but ... lasers or soooo late 20th century. LOL

In the interest of "don't criticize without adding an alternative":

For joining frameless cabinets as shown in the video, and stated as the
designed for use, it's hard to beat a good Fstyle or Kbody at half the
price, or less:

http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2083476/34177/bessey-k-body-revo-jr-parallel-clamp-12-pair.aspx

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopRetrofit2011#5603815912400748146

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopEuropeanStyleKitchen201102#5679345098535597874

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On 1/18/2013 8:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Marketing to the masses, AKA the eternal quest to come up with something
> new to screw the woodworking consumer?
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2084652/39485/jorgenson-casework-claw-set-model-8540.aspx?refcode=13IN01RL&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1-17-13&utm_campaign=13IN01RL
>
>
> Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...
>
> No thanks ... and don't bother with the video if you don't want to puke.
>



The video has ole dip shits wife in it. The thing I really see wrong is
that they DO NOT insure that the faces of the face frames are flush.
That is probably the most important thing that this type clamp should do.

On 1/18/2013 9:29 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/18/2013 9:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Marketing to the masses, AKA the eternal quest to come up with
>>> something new to screw the woodworking consumer?
>>>
>>> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2084652/39485/jorgenson-casework-claw-set-model-8540.aspx?>refcode=13IN01RL&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1-17-13&utm_campaign=13IN01RL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...
>>
>> Harbor Freight will have them out soon... and Sears. Of course one of
>> them will have alignment and thread issues and flex in use, and the
>> other one's design will be tinkered with to the point of making it
>> beyond stupid in use... built in laser levels and tape measure as "added
>> features." ;~)
>
> :) But, but ... lasers or soooo late 20th century. LOL
>
> In the interest of "don't criticize without adding an alternative":
>
> For joining frameless cabinets as shown in the video, and stated as the
> designed for use, it's hard to beat a good Fstyle or Kbody at half the
> price, or less:
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2083476/34177/bessey-k-body-revo-jr-parallel-clamp-12-pair.aspx
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopRetrofit2011#5603815912400748146
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopEuropeanStyleKitchen201102#5679345098535597874
>


Thought for sure you were going to shoe these clamps. did you forget these?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Adjustable-Clamp-Pony-2-Pk-Cabinet-Claw-8510/14299555?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=14299555&sourceid=1500000000000003260430
>

On 1/18/2013 1:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/18/2013 8:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Marketing to the masses, AKA the eternal quest to come up with something
>> new to screw the woodworking consumer?
>>
>> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2084652/39485/jorgenson-casework-claw-set-model-8540.aspx?refcode=13IN01RL&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1-17-13&utm_campaign=13IN01RL
>>
>>
>>
>> Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...
>>
>> No thanks ... and don't bother with the video if you don't want to puke.
>>
>
>
>
> The video has ole dip shits wife in it. The thing I really see wrong is
> that they DO NOT insure that the faces of the face frames are flush.
> That is probably the most important thing that this type clamp should do.


Or the faces of the cabinet sides!

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:08:33 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>>"Swingman" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>Marketing to the masses, AKA the eternal quest to come up with something
>>new to screw the woodworking consumer?
>>
>>http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2084652/39485/jorgenson-casework-claw-set-model-8540.aspx?>refcode=13IN01RL&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1-17-13&utm_campaign=13IN01RL
>>
>>Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...
>
>Harbor Freight will have them out soon... and Sears. Of course one of them
>will have alignment and thread issues and flex in use, and the other one's
>design will be tinkered with to the point of making it beyond stupid in
>use... built in laser levels and tape measure as "added features." ;~)

"New, improved, Now With lasers and mirrors for perfect accuracy."
with sticker "Caution: Do not look into laser with remaining eye."

Since many cabinets come with faceframes, do they also make a
faceframe-compatible model for "only $229, + s/h and taxes"?

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On 1/18/2013 9:35 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

> Okay, I will admit to having purchased a set of the Jorgensen 8510
> "Cabinet Claw" clamps about a dozen years ago when doing a full kitchen
> makeover. Hey! It seemed a good idea at the time and it actually was.

Absolutely!

Like you, I love my Jorgensen 8510's ... but for _face frame_ cabinets,
not frameless, which is what this clown is selling.

I use the Jorgensen 8510's exclusively when joining face frame cabinets.
Well worth the price, and nothing beats them for functionality and ease
of use for that application, IME.

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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

>"Swingman" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>Marketing to the masses, AKA the eternal quest to come up with something
>new to screw the woodworking consumer?
>
>http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2084652/39485/jorgenson-casework-claw-set-model-8540.aspx?>refcode=13IN01RL&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1-17-13&utm_campaign=13IN01RL
>
>Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...

Harbor Freight will have them out soon... and Sears. Of course one of them
will have alignment and thread issues and flex in use, and the other one's
design will be tinkered with to the point of making it beyond stupid in
use... built in laser levels and tape measure as "added features." ;~)

John

>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:08:33 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
><[email protected]> wrote:

>>Wonder how deep the discount will be at this time next year ...
>
>>Harbor Freight will have them out soon... and Sears. Of course one of them
>>will have alignment and thread issues and flex in use, and the other one's
>>design will be tinkered with to the point of making it beyond stupid in
>>use... built in laser levels and tape measure as "added features." ;~)

>"New, improved, Now With lasers and mirrors for perfect accuracy."
>with sticker "Caution: Do not look into laser with remaining eye."

>Since many cabinets come with faceframes, do they also make a
>faceframe-compatible model for "only $229, + s/h and taxes"?

Their marketing folks would dictate that you buy the clamp and a face frame
accessory kit thus garnering them double the gross profits if you buy both.
However, since the face frame kit is an accessory it will not be in stock so
you have to order it on-line or through the store. This latter need will
garner them shipping and handling revenue far in excess of their costs...

John