On Sat, 08 May 2004 13:22:50 -0400, Jaime wrote:
> On 8 May 2004 10:15:46 -0700, [email protected] (Phillip Hallam-Baker)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Best of all it will be possible to keep your deceased loved ones with you
>>in your house
>
>
> It is already possible when you have them cremated.
Yabbut, that's not what Pappy wanted. So one last boat ride and over the
side his ashes went - the manner and destination of his choosing.
-Doug
--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw
> "Michael Lane" wrote:
> out of lurk,
> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
Walt Henderson made a beauty out of Poplar for the "Washington's
Funeral" reenactment for Mt Vernon. They might have some pix on
their website. I gave him a pick (jpeg) several years ago, he
might still have it. I don't know if he wants it posted or not.
He MIGHT be copying the mail, and could chime in if he is.
Dave in Fairfax
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reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
Take pity on those that will move the casket. About the only thing
heavier than MDF is lead. Also, MDF doesn't do well when it gets wet.
If you've ever looked carefully at a casket (removed the satin drapes
and lifted out the bed) you saw that it was mostly cardboard. The part
you see looks substantial, but it's all for show.
The funeral business is really a high margin cheap furniture business.
RB
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> [email protected] (Michael Lane) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>out of lurk,
>>Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
>>excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
>>Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
>
>
> Have you considered MDF?
>
> Run a router round the edges, add some moldings from your local borg,
> spray paint with a couple of coats of emulsion.
Jaime wrote:
>
> On 8 May 2004 10:15:46 -0700, [email protected] (Phillip Hallam-Baker)
> wrote:
>
> >Best of all it will be possible to keep your deceased loved ones
> >with you in your house
>
> It is already possible when you have them cremated.
Cremains can be pressed into diamonds.
On 8 May 2004 10:15:46 -0700, [email protected] (Phillip Hallam-Baker)
wrote:
>Best of all it will be possible to keep your deceased loved ones
>with you in your house
It is already possible when you have them cremated.
--
"Michael Lane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> out of lurk,
> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
>
Seems as though all types of woods are used and from very simple to very
fancy.
http://www.arkwoodcaskets.com/
http://www.abettercasket.com/caskets.htm
http://www.funeralplan.com/products/caskets.html
I've thought of making one for myself but my wife won't let me. She wants a
curio cabinet so I told her I'm going to make it, but when I go, just take
out the shelves and lay it down and it will be just right.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Used to be a company, somewhere in the Rocky Mountains. For a fee,
they'd load your ashes in a muzzloading cannon. and shoot them out over
the mountainside. I always thought that would be rather neat.
Apparently they're out of business, because none of my searches lately
have found them. Ah well.
JOAT
If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your
pocket and then giving Fido only two of them.
- Phil Pastoret
A fews years back, when I was in school, a classmate made one in shop
class out of black walnut. He got help from the home ec. dept in making
the red crushed velvet liner. It came out beautiful. It was just big
enough for his fathers' pistol. It was a fathers day gift.
Michael Lane wrote:
> out of lurk,
> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
>
> thanks guys in advance
>
> regards
>
> Mike Lane
>
Recently I had occasion to go to a funeral parlor for a funeral, but I
needed to change clothes before the service. They let me use a room where
they had all the "demo boxes" so customers (once removed, I assume" could
see the different qualities of coffins. They had metal, wood, particle
boare and, yes, plain old ordinary cardboard. The cardboard box, however
cost $90 (US). I was amazed!
Glen
"Robin Lee" wrote >
> Hi -
>
> Actually - there aren't many regulations concerning caskets at
all...though
> there may be local bylaws about using grave liners (concrete boxes)... In
> many places, you can use a cardboard box or a shroud if you want to.
> Likewise, embalming may also be optional - there's no "health" reason to
do
> it....
>
> Most burial regulations are concerned with "where" as opposed to how....
>
> Best bet is to check your state/provincial laws directly.
>
[email protected] (Michael Lane) wrote in news:3687-40969CE7-
[email protected]:
> out of lurk,
> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
>
> thanks guys in advance
>
> regards
>
> Mike Lane
>
Is there a wood that means something to you, or to your friend? Use that,
if you can.
I built the container for my mother's ashes from California Black Oak, with
veneered top & bottom interior of curly Black Walnut, and sides lined with
vertical grained Douglas Fir, all native woods from the areas our family
has lived for generations.
/personal opinion #1
The trappings of the end-of-this-life ceremonies are personal, and of
importance in the planning, and the assurances that friends and family
care, and respect the wishes of the departing.
/personal opinion #2
Most of us have an eccentric friend or three. Some of us are that
eccentric friend. It is a blessing either way.
/personal opinion #3
Talk to the funeral director ahead of time, and see what they recommend.
Most will help you understand what is required. Whatever you do, they and
their staff will have to work with your 'product'.
And the longer you have to plan, prepare and work, the less stress this
will cause. And knowing that this is taken care of may make things easier
for your friend.
God bless your efforts on behalf of your friend.
Patriarch
[email protected] (Michael Lane) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> out of lurk,
> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
Have you considered MDF?
Run a router round the edges, add some moldings from your local borg,
spray paint with a couple of coats of emulsion.
RB <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Take pity on those that will move the casket. About the only thing
> heavier than MDF is lead. Also, MDF doesn't do well when it gets wet.
In Victorian times they used to use lead cofins.
As for getting wet, a couple of coats of high gloss emulsion should
do the trick.
> The funeral business is really a high margin cheap furniture business.
Just wait, at some point in the future Krispy Creme will adapt the
machine they use to glaze their donuts. If you replaced the donut glaze
with a polymer coating that hardens on exposure to UV you could coat
one side of the corpse, harden, flip, harden the other side.
If you made the plastic opaque you could then have a CAD machine
injet a likeness of the deceased onto the outside of their shell,
or alternatively leave blank for a more classical look.
Best of all it will be possible to keep your deceased loved ones
with you in your house, forming a decorative sculpture that is
sure to be a talking point for every visitor.
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:38:15 +0000, Robert Bonomi
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Use Oak. I wouldn't be caught dead in anything else.
>>
>> Seriously, I've seen (modern) caskets (apparently) made from walnut, ebony,
>> and maple.
>
>I wonder - what would custom caskets sell for? Profitable, I assume?
>I know the local undertaker, maybe he'd work some sort of commission deal.
>
>Dave Hinz
>
Caskets are _not_ inexpensive. I've got no idea what the mark-up is between
wholesale and retail, but it wouldn't surprise me if its double, or more.
I'm not sure how viable a market it'd be for 'custom' work. There isn't much
lead time -- i.e., from order placement to delivery required.
Then there are the construction requirements. Yup, before you can be buried
in it, there are _legal_ specifications that have to be dealt with. Prevention
of things like contamination of the water-table, etc. Bluntly, a decomposing
body is not a particularly healthy thing to have around. <wry grin>
Now, for cremations, that's a whole 'nuther story.
Couldn't hurt to inquire, I suppose.
Thu, May 6, 2004, 12:22pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Robert=A0Bonomi) says:
<snip> Then there are the construction requirements. Yup, before you can
be buried in it, there are _legal_ specifications that have to be dealt
with. Prevention of things like contamination of the water-table, etc.
=A0<snip>
I haven't double-checked this, but from what I've come across, in
various places, it isn't that much of a problem. Because, the caskets
are buried in a container of some sort. So, it wouldn't really matter
if just a cardboard box was used, because it would be inside a "vault",
or whatever they call them.
JOAT
If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your
pocket and then giving Fido only two of them.
- Phil Pastoret
On Thu, 06 May 2004 14:21:43 -0400, J T wrote:
> I haven't double-checked this, but from what I've come across, in
> various places, it isn't that much of a problem. Because, the caskets are
> buried in a container of some sort. So, it wouldn't really matter if just
> a cardboard box was used, because it would be inside a "vault", or
> whatever they call them.
In some places such as New Orleans, the big problem is keeping 'em planted
as the water table is so high.
The cardboard box is a common choice when the final destination is the
oven.
-Doug
--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw
Amen Brother,
My Cousin was a cowboy/rancher here in Texas and his casket was made of
Native Cedar, rope handles and lariat with cactus flowers, tied up with bob
wire, as center piece. His favorite Horse tied at the entrance to the
cemetery as the cortege passed ... not something I'll forget for the rest
of my life. His Pall Bearers and best friends in Jeans, White long sleeve
shirts, and their best felt hats (appropriately gray of course). There are
several places here in Texas that do that sort of thing, but most any mill
can turn out a respectable casket. His wife did for him what he wouldn't
have done for himself.
Lee
"Michael Lane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> out of lurk,
> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
>
> thanks guys in advance
>
> regards
>
> Mike Lane
>
Here's a link to Rockler for a Wood Casket Plan and hardware:
http://www.rockler.com/findit.cfm?page=900
On Mon, 3 May 2004 14:26:31 -0500, Michael Lane <[email protected]> wrote:
> out of lurk,
> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
Use Oak. I wouldn't be caught dead in anything else.
On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:38:15 +0000, Robert Bonomi <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Use Oak. I wouldn't be caught dead in anything else.
>
> Seriously, I've seen (modern) caskets (apparently) made from walnut, ebony,
> and maple.
I wonder - what would custom caskets sell for? Profitable, I assume?
I know the local undertaker, maybe he'd work some sort of commission deal.
Dave Hinz
Thanks guys for all the info. I have conferred with him some more & he
said " I want an old timey casket , ( like in wild west) with wood
straight from a sawmill, nothing fancy, plain jane " I told him that
would not be a prob, but, I expected him to live a while longer, as it
will take me a while to make.
again thanks for all replies
back to lurk
Mike Lane
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 3 May 2004 14:26:31 -0500, Michael Lane <[email protected]> wrote:
>> out of lurk,
>> Has anybody ever made one & what kind of wood did you use? I have an
>> excentric friend that wants one to be buried in. I told him 'I am not
>> Norm Abrams ' but I thought I could make it.
>
>Use Oak. I wouldn't be caught dead in anything else.
>
Some people pine for the classic box,
Others prefer another material,
just to spruce up the scene,
But, that's going a bit fir.
On the other hand, there's only *one* acceptable wood for
a crematory urn. It's even described in the Bible --
"Ashes to ash, ....."
Seriously, I've seen (modern) caskets (apparently) made from walnut, ebony,
and maple.
"Jaime" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 8 May 2004 10:15:46 -0700, [email protected] (Phillip Hallam-Baker)
> wrote:
>
>
> >Best of all it will be possible to keep your deceased loved ones
> >with you in your house
>
>
> It is already possible when you have them cremated.
Better yet, put the ashes in an hourglass and the deceased can keep working.
Imagine timeing your eggs for breakfast with the remains of your Aunt
Bertha?
;-)
Glen
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:38:15 +0000, Robert Bonomi
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Use Oak. I wouldn't be caught dead in anything else.
> >>
> >> Seriously, I've seen (modern) caskets (apparently) made from walnut,
ebony,
> >> and maple.
> >
> >I wonder - what would custom caskets sell for? Profitable, I assume?
> >I know the local undertaker, maybe he'd work some sort of commission
deal.
> >
> >Dave Hinz
> >
>
> Caskets are _not_ inexpensive. I've got no idea what the mark-up is
between
> wholesale and retail, but it wouldn't surprise me if its double, or more.
>
> I'm not sure how viable a market it'd be for 'custom' work. There isn't
much
> lead time -- i.e., from order placement to delivery required.
>
> Then there are the construction requirements. Yup, before you can be
buried
> in it, there are _legal_ specifications that have to be dealt with.
Prevention
> of things like contamination of the water-table, etc. Bluntly, a
decomposing
> body is not a particularly healthy thing to have around. <wry grin>
>
> Now, for cremations, that's a whole 'nuther story.
>
>
> Couldn't hurt to inquire, I suppose.
>
Hi -
Actually - there aren't many regulations concerning caskets at all...though
there may be local bylaws about using grave liners (concrete boxes)... In
many places, you can use a cardboard box or a shroud if you want to.
Likewise, embalming may also be optional - there's no "health" reason to do
it....
Most burial regulations are concerned with "where" as opposed to how....
Best bet is to check your state/provincial laws directly.
Cheers -
Rob