Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

31/12/2003 2:07 AM

How to make an MDF blade


DAMN!

30 minutes ago, I was ripping down an old table top to reuse the wood
for more clamp racks. I HIT A BURIED SCREW!!! There was no
indication of any screws at all in this top.

This was with a NICE, low time Freud Industrial 50T blade.

Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
save the blade.

DAMN!!!

Barry


This topic has 20 replies

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Nova

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

31/12/2003 3:05 AM

"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote:

> DAMN!
>
> 30 minutes ago, I was ripping down an old table top to reuse the wood
> for more clamp racks. I HIT A BURIED SCREW!!! There was no
> indication of any screws at all in this top.
>
> This was with a NICE, low time Freud Industrial 50T blade.
>
> Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
> save the blade.
>
> DAMN!!!

A decent saw shop should be able to replace the teeth.

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Ss

"SawEyes"

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

31/12/2003 2:06 PM

"> 30 minutes ago, I was ripping down an old table top to reuse the wood
> for more clamp racks. I HIT A BURIED SCREW!!! There was no
> indication of any screws at all in this top.
>
> This was with a NICE, low time Freud Industrial 50T blade.
>
> Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
> save the blade.

You might be able to get the teeth replaced?
Did you use a good metal detector on the table top at all?
If not, buying one can save lots of $$.
Amazon has the Lumber Wizard one sale at the moment for $69.99.
http://tinyurl.com/3f7g7


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Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 2:00 PM

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:10:49 -0600, Traves W. Coppock
<newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com> wrote:

>send it to ridge carbide...
>http://www.ridgecarbidetool.com/


Thanks! Their repair prices look pretty good, I'll give them a shot.

Barry

BS

"Bob S."

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

31/12/2003 3:03 AM

They make nice clock faces for the shop.....pricey but they blend right in
with the surroundings............;-)

Shoulda seen the sparks fly on mine....Zoweeeee! Scratch one Freud.

Bob S.

"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
>
> DAMN!
>
> 30 minutes ago, I was ripping down an old table top to reuse the wood
> for more clamp racks. I HIT A BURIED SCREW!!! There was no
> indication of any screws at all in this top.
>
> This was with a NICE, low time Freud Industrial 50T blade.
>
> Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
> save the blade.
>
> DAMN!!!
>
> Barry
>

RM

"Ron Magen"

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 10:10 PM

Barry,
Take a look in your local TELEPHONE BOOK. Look for a 'Saw Sharpening
Service'. One near me charges $2.50 per tooth for carbide replacement, and
probably about $5.oo for the whole tooth.

I found out about them from a local 'Tool Rental' establishment. They
normally charge for 'sharpening' and would be rather reticent to tell you
who does it for them. However, in my case, they weren't at all sure about
tooth replacement, so they told me to 'go direct'.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:06:26 +1000, "SawEyes"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >You might be able to get the teeth replaced?
>
> I'm looking into that, but we'll see if a $60 blade is worth
> repairing. Coastal's got WWII's for $89, I picked one up yesterday,
> which will allow me to take my time investigating fixing the Freud.
SNIP

TW

Traves W. Coppock

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

31/12/2003 3:10 AM

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:07:06 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> Crawled out of the shop and
said. . .:

>
>DAMN!
>
>30 minutes ago, I was ripping down an old table top to reuse the wood
>for more clamp racks. I HIT A BURIED SCREW!!! There was no
>indication of any screws at all in this top.
>
>This was with a NICE, low time Freud Industrial 50T blade.
>
>Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
>save the blade.
>
>DAMN!!!
>
>Barry

send it to ridge carbide...
http://www.ridgecarbidetool.com/
only blade i use on my TS other than the dado set i have and the few
misc "dead" ones i have collected over the years i use for cutting the
likes of brass, copper and aluminum
and only service i allow to sharpen anything i need re-edged

Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 1:59 PM

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:06:26 +1000, "SawEyes"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You might be able to get the teeth replaced?

I'm looking into that, but we'll see if a $60 blade is worth
repairing. Coastal's got WWII's for $89, I picked one up yesterday,
which will allow me to take my time investigating fixing the Freud.

>Did you use a good metal detector on the table top at all?

20-20 hindsight now. <G> I rarely use recycled lumber. This screw
was IN the wood, in the middle of a board.

>If not, buying one can save lots of $$.
>Amazon has the Lumber Wizard one sale at the moment for $69.99.

It will be my next purchase, along with another blade. I know I
should be using one even with non-recycled wood.

Barry

Bn

Bridger

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 1:07 PM

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:50:10 -0500, Greg G. wrote:

>B a r r y B u r k e J r . said:
>
>>20-20 hindsight now. <G> I rarely use recycled lumber. This screw
>>was IN the wood, in the middle of a board.
>
>In a recent bout of repairing termite damage to the house, I bought 5
>sheets of OSB (at greatly inflated prices). While cutting/fitting the
>sheathing, I noticed a strange 'bump' on the surface of one panel.
>
>Turns out, LP had pressed a very large bolt that had fallen from the
>machinery into the 'plys' of the wood. This sheet made it all the way
>through dimensioning, Q.C., and beyond. Great stuff.
>
>I guess the point is, even new cabinet grade plywood *could* have
>things in it that aren't supposed to be there.
>
>
>Greg G.



I've found small shavings of metal in the glueline of cabinet ply lots
of times.
Bridger

Fp

"FOW"

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

02/01/2004 1:59 AM

I'd be hot !
<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> B a r r y B u r k e J r . said:
>
> >20-20 hindsight now. <G> I rarely use recycled lumber. This screw
> >was IN the wood, in the middle of a board.
>
> In a recent bout of repairing termite damage to the house, I bought 5
> sheets of OSB (at greatly inflated prices). While cutting/fitting the
> sheathing, I noticed a strange 'bump' on the surface of one panel.
>
> Turns out, LP had pressed a very large bolt that had fallen from the
> machinery into the 'plys' of the wood. This sheet made it all the way
> through dimensioning, Q.C., and beyond. Great stuff.
>
> I guess the point is, even new cabinet grade plywood *could* have
> things in it that aren't supposed to be there.
>
>
> Greg G.

Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 1:59 PM

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:13:04 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Does it still cut well enough you can use it for future recycling efforts?
>(Burning be damned.)
>
> -- Mark


Not really. <G>

Barry

Cc

"CW"

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

03/01/2004 1:07 AM

I've got one in my garage right now with one tooth gone. Don't know what
from.

"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:08:54 GMT, Larry Jaques
> <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
> >I take it that you, too, buy the HFT blades at $4.99, Andy?
>
> No, CMT at $30 - $40
>
> I've just never had a sawblade lose just the one tooth. If I hit
> something badly enough to need repair, it's always damaged a load of
> teeth.
>
>
> --
> Congrats to STBL on his elevation from TLA to ETLA

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

02/01/2004 12:31 PM

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:08:54 GMT, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>I take it that you, too, buy the HFT blades at $4.99, Andy?

No, CMT at $30 - $40

I've just never had a sawblade lose just the one tooth. If I hit
something badly enough to need repair, it's always damaged a load of
teeth.


--
Congrats to STBL on his elevation from TLA to ETLA

GG

Greg G.

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 10:50 AM

B a r r y B u r k e J r . said:

>20-20 hindsight now. <G> I rarely use recycled lumber. This screw
>was IN the wood, in the middle of a board.

In a recent bout of repairing termite damage to the house, I bought 5
sheets of OSB (at greatly inflated prices). While cutting/fitting the
sheathing, I noticed a strange 'bump' on the surface of one panel.

Turns out, LP had pressed a very large bolt that had fallen from the
machinery into the 'plys' of the wood. This sheet made it all the way
through dimensioning, Q.C., and beyond. Great stuff.

I guess the point is, even new cabinet grade plywood *could* have
things in it that aren't supposed to be there.


Greg G.

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

31/12/2003 4:13 AM

B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> DAMN!
>
> 30 minutes ago, I was ripping down an old table top to reuse the wood
> for more clamp racks. I HIT A BURIED SCREW!!! There was no
> indication of any screws at all in this top.
>
> This was with a NICE, low time Freud Industrial 50T blade.
>
> Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
> save the blade.
>
> DAMN!!!

Does it still cut well enough you can use it for future recycling efforts?
(Burning be damned.)

-- Mark

TW

Traves W. Coppock

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

04/01/2004 4:37 AM

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:00:50 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> Crawled out of the shop and
said. . .:

>On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:10:49 -0600, Traves W. Coppock
><newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com> wrote:
>
>>send it to ridge carbide...
>>http://www.ridgecarbidetool.com/
>
>
>Thanks! Their repair prices look pretty good, I'll give them a shot.
>
>Barry


glad to have helped,,,i don't think you'll be disappointed at all

Traves

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 5:14 PM

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:07:06 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
>save the blade.

I've never had a carbide blade sharpened after damage. Carbide is
brittle and tends to chip further back than can be ground out. It only
takes a few tooth replacements to equal the blade replacement cost.


--
Congrats to STBL on his elevation from TLA to ETLA

TD

Tim Douglass

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

02/01/2004 10:45 AM

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:08:54 GMT, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:14:38 +0000, Andy Dingley
><[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:07:06 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
>>>save the blade.
>>
>>I've never had a carbide blade sharpened after damage. Carbide is
>>brittle and tends to chip further back than can be ground out. It only
>>takes a few tooth replacements to equal the blade replacement cost.
>
>I take it that you, too, buy the HFT blades at $4.99, Andy?
><wink>

Funny thing about the $4.99 HFT blades. I bought one just to see what
it was like, and it wasn't much. Tended to burn right from the start.
I was ripping a bunch of 2x4s down to make furring strips and it
finally got to the point it wasn't getting the job done. Just out of
curiosity I had it sharpened (OK, spending $15 to sharpen a $5 blade
doesn't make sense, but bear with me here). When I got it back it cut
smoothly and without burning. I used it for a bunch of work after that
and it did a real good job for me. Cheap blades have smaller carbide
teeth so they can't be sharpened as many times, lower grade carbide
and bad factory sharpening jobs. Taken as a whole they are barely
adequate as delivered for cutting salvage lumber.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

02/01/2004 3:08 AM

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:14:38 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:07:06 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
>>save the blade.
>
>I've never had a carbide blade sharpened after damage. Carbide is
>brittle and tends to chip further back than can be ground out. It only
>takes a few tooth replacements to equal the blade replacement cost.

I take it that you, too, buy the HFT blades at $4.99, Andy?
<wink>


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John Carlson

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

31/12/2003 6:02 PM

Teeth can be replaced for a few dollars apiece. If not too many are
broken, you can probably get the blade repaired for a reasonable
price.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:07:06 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>DAMN!
>
>30 minutes ago, I was ripping down an old table top to reuse the wood
>for more clamp racks. I HIT A BURIED SCREW!!! There was no
>indication of any screws at all in this top.
>
>This was with a NICE, low time Freud Industrial 50T blade.
>
>Some of the teeth do not look like a sharpening would be enough to
>save the blade.
>
>DAMN!!!
>
>Barry

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If e-mailing me, please use jc631 at optonline dot net

Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

in reply to B a r r y B u r k e J r . on 31/12/2003 2:07 AM

01/01/2004 10:29 PM

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:10:52 GMT, "Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Barry,
>Take a look in your local TELEPHONE BOOK.

I did before I looked online. I was going to ask some locals in
person tomorrow.

In the past, I've posted inquires for Connecticut sharpening services
here, and gotten only Woodcraft and WWW for replies. I know
somebody's doing it, but they seem to insist on keeping themselves a
secret. <G>

Barry


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