Greetings Wreckers,
I have a DC question, and didn't try to google yet, I'm kind of tired
tonight and just not in a googling mood. I have a Delta 50-840
collector and it's hooked up to a Unisaw, DeWalt 735, and I'll be
getting a DJ 20 soon. Is it good enough to just leave it hooked up
directly, or should I be using some sort of a separator? Since it does
take in it's fair share of chips from the Uni, I wonder if they can
damage the DC? I'm really not up to speed yet on DC, so please excuse
the newbie question. And besides, I'm doing my duty in trying to offset
the idiot poster of late. Many TIA, Mark L.
The separator, assuming you empty it often enough, does
a great job of keeping big stuff from dinging the impeller.
Also keeps shavings/curlies from hand planing from
clogging up the DC's intake.
Another potential tip - if the unit you have has a Y inlet
to allow two 4 inch dust lines to be connected at the
DC, orient the one you won't be using down and the rubber
plug left on. If an impeller dinger gets through the
separator and hits the impellar it'll often drop into
the unused, downward pointing port - where you can
get it without having to reach in and find it. NEVER
reach in around the impeller unless you've personally
unplugged the DC or verified that the unit's unplugged
JUST prior to reaching in. One more thing to remember
it can hurt you.
Oh, and ditch the dust bags that come with the unit
unless you got the 5 micron option, 1 micron being
preferable. 1 micro oversized felt bags work pretty
well. The big stuff that the stock bags catch isn't
what will mess up your lungs - it's the very little
stuff that'll screw you up.
Here's a great site with plenty of useful info on
dust collection.
http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
charlie b
Makes you wonder why they don't make more of the kind I have - impeller unit
on top of the can. I've always thought it's ideal for the small shop.
Rolls, doubles as a vacuum, and never jams an impeller with a stray chunk.
Now if they could only find one that could keep up with a lathe....
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:31:07 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Greetings Wreckers,
> > I have a DC question, and didn't try to google yet, I'm kind of tired
> >tonight and just not in a googling mood. I have a Delta 50-840
> >collector and it's hooked up to a Unisaw, DeWalt 735, and I'll be
> >getting a DJ 20 soon. Is it good enough to just leave it hooked up
> >directly, or should I be using some sort of a separator? Since it does
> >take in it's fair share of chips from the Uni, I wonder if they can
> >damage the DC? I'm really not up to speed yet on DC, so please excuse
> >the newbie question. And besides, I'm doing my duty in trying to offset
> >the idiot poster of late. Many TIA, Mark L.
>
>
> The garbage can with the separator top does a good job. It will catch
> large pieces and tools from reaching your DC. A little better than
> that is a cyclone. I made one from a garbage can, some galvanized
> piping and elbows--works great. Later, I installed a small Plexiglas
> window in the can, halfway up, to know when it's time to empty it.
> Greetings Wreckers,
> I have a DC question, and didn't try to google yet, I'm kind of tired
> tonight and just not in a googling mood. I have a Delta 50-840
> collector and it's hooked up to a Unisaw, DeWalt 735, and I'll be
> getting a DJ 20 soon. Is it good enough to just leave it hooked up
> directly, or should I be using some sort of a separator? Since it does
> take in it's fair share of chips from the Uni, I wonder if they can
> damage the DC?
Mark,
I have the exact same model DC. I use it on the TS without a
seperator, but I do have zero clearance inserts. I don't recall ever
sending a piece of scrap through the DC from the TS.
When I first got my Delta Plane (22-580), I was so excited to try it
that I ran a board through it as soon as I got it set up. Then I saw
that the hose to the DC (I have a clear hose) was completely clogged
with the shaving.
I had bought all the fixings to make a seperator, but didn't have the
time/need before. I can't run the planer without one.
I never use the seperator on the jointer either. I guess its shaving
are fine enough that they aren't a problem.
The 50-840 has a cross over the intake and I think the planer shavings
are just too long to pass through them smoothly, thus the problem.
By the way, I routinely check the impeller and it doesn't have any
knicks in it. Thought that was worth mentioning.
Chuck
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:31:07 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Greetings Wreckers,
> I have a DC question, and didn't try to google yet, I'm kind of tired
>tonight and just not in a googling mood. I have a Delta 50-840
>collector and it's hooked up to a Unisaw, DeWalt 735, and I'll be
>getting a DJ 20 soon. Is it good enough to just leave it hooked up
>directly, or should I be using some sort of a separator? Since it does
>take in it's fair share of chips from the Uni, I wonder if they can
>damage the DC? I'm really not up to speed yet on DC, so please excuse
>the newbie question. And besides, I'm doing my duty in trying to offset
>the idiot poster of late. Many TIA, Mark L.
The garbage can with the separator top does a good job. It will catch
large pieces and tools from reaching your DC. A little better than
that is a cyclone. I made one from a garbage can, some galvanized
piping and elbows--works great. Later, I installed a small Plexiglas
window in the can, halfway up, to know when it's time to empty it.
So far I've been lucky, just didn't want to wait till the luck ran out.
Fly-by-Night CC wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> It's the big stuff I want to keep out of
>>the impeller!
>
>
> So what non-wood items have you sent past the impeller so far?
>
> I've a Jet DC with the cannister filter and wasn't able to hit the STOP
> button before destroying:
>
> aluminum soda cans;
> plastic yogurt containers;
> sand paper;
> steel wool;
> and...
> the pot metal Delta 14" bandsaw table insert plate.
>
> (Pulled out of the chip bag a little dinged and bent but otherwise, it
> and the DC appear to be OK.)
>
"Mark L." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greetings Wreckers,
> I have a DC question, and didn't try to google yet, I'm kind of tired
> tonight and just not in a googling mood. I have a Delta 50-840
> collector and it's hooked up to a Unisaw, DeWalt 735, and I'll be
> getting a DJ 20 soon. Is it good enough to just leave it hooked up
> directly, or should I be using some sort of a separator? Since it does
> take in it's fair share of chips from the Uni, I wonder if they can
> damage the DC? I'm really not up to speed yet on DC, so please excuse
> the newbie question. And besides, I'm doing my duty in trying to offset
> the idiot poster of late. Many TIA, Mark L.
>
I've got a trash can separator in the system simply to catch the big stuff
that gets sucked in..., e.g., cutoffs from the cabinet saw and band saw,
and things that the kids suck up off the floor when they clean up for me.
(The kids like hauling that 4" hose around and sucking things up... way more
cool than the little shop vac. ;-) ) My system is piped in with 4" spiral
and uses a Delta 50-850 1.5 HP with a Woodstock International trash can lid.
The system pulls most of the stuff right through the trash can an into the
bag but the big stuff drops out. It's the big stuff I want to keep out of
the impeller!
John
Many thanks for the help Charlie
charlie b wrote:
> The separator, assuming you empty it often enough, does
> a great job of keeping big stuff from dinging the impeller.
> Also keeps shavings/curlies from hand planing from
> clogging up the DC's intake.
>
> Another potential tip - if the unit you have has a Y inlet
> to allow two 4 inch dust lines to be connected at the
> DC, orient the one you won't be using down and the rubber
> plug left on. If an impeller dinger gets through the
> separator and hits the impellar it'll often drop into
> the unused, downward pointing port - where you can
> get it without having to reach in and find it. NEVER
> reach in around the impeller unless you've personally
> unplugged the DC or verified that the unit's unplugged
> JUST prior to reaching in. One more thing to remember
> it can hurt you.
>
> Oh, and ditch the dust bags that come with the unit
> unless you got the 5 micron option, 1 micron being
> preferable. 1 micro oversized felt bags work pretty
> well. The big stuff that the stock bags catch isn't
> what will mess up your lungs - it's the very little
> stuff that'll screw you up.
>
> Here's a great site with plenty of useful info on
> dust collection.
>
> http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
>
> charlie b
Thanks Dave and John,
I pretty much thought this was the way to go, just needed
confirmation....... Mark L.
John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Mark L." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Greetings Wreckers,
>> I have a DC question, and didn't try to google yet, I'm kind of tired
>>tonight and just not in a googling mood. I have a Delta 50-840
>>collector and it's hooked up to a Unisaw, DeWalt 735, and I'll be
>>getting a DJ 20 soon. Is it good enough to just leave it hooked up
>>directly, or should I be using some sort of a separator? Since it does
>>take in it's fair share of chips from the Uni, I wonder if they can
>>damage the DC? I'm really not up to speed yet on DC, so please excuse
>>the newbie question. And besides, I'm doing my duty in trying to offset
>>the idiot poster of late. Many TIA, Mark L.
>>
>
>
> I've got a trash can separator in the system simply to catch the big stuff
> that gets sucked in..., e.g., cutoffs from the cabinet saw and band saw,
> and things that the kids suck up off the floor when they clean up for me.
> (The kids like hauling that 4" hose around and sucking things up... way more
> cool than the little shop vac. ;-) ) My system is piped in with 4" spiral
> and uses a Delta 50-850 1.5 HP with a Woodstock International trash can lid.
> The system pulls most of the stuff right through the trash can an into the
> bag but the big stuff drops out. It's the big stuff I want to keep out of
> the impeller!
>
> John
>
>
>
>
Thanks Chuck. Sounds like a plan. Mark L.
WoodChuck34 wrote:
<self snippage>
> Mark,
>
> I have the exact same model DC. I use it on the TS without a
> seperator, but I do have zero clearance inserts. I don't recall ever
> sending a piece of scrap through the DC from the TS.
>
> When I first got my Delta Plane (22-580), I was so excited to try it
> that I ran a board through it as soon as I got it set up. Then I saw
> that the hose to the DC (I have a clear hose) was completely clogged
> with the shaving.
>
> I had bought all the fixings to make a seperator, but didn't have the
> time/need before. I can't run the planer without one.
>
> I never use the seperator on the jointer either. I guess its shaving
> are fine enough that they aren't a problem.
>
> The 50-840 has a cross over the intake and I think the planer shavings
> are just too long to pass through them smoothly, thus the problem.
>
> By the way, I routinely check the impeller and it doesn't have any
> knicks in it. Thought that was worth mentioning.
>
> Chuck
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It's the big stuff I want to keep out of
> > the impeller!
>
> So what non-wood items have you sent past the impeller so far?
Nothing... I had the trash can on the system pretty much from the beginning,
even when I had a 1 HP Delta dust collector hooked up. The stuff that has
hit the trash can includes rags, paper towels, cut-offs, sand paper, a
plastic cap off a spray paint can... The kids don't discriminate when they
clean up!
John
In article <[email protected]>,
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's the big stuff I want to keep out of
> the impeller!
So what non-wood items have you sent past the impeller so far?
I've a Jet DC with the cannister filter and wasn't able to hit the STOP
button before destroying:
aluminum soda cans;
plastic yogurt containers;
sand paper;
steel wool;
and...
the pot metal Delta 14" bandsaw table insert plate.
(Pulled out of the chip bag a little dinged and bent but otherwise, it
and the DC appear to be OK.)
--
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Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
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I gave up trying to run my DC without a separator. The
inlet has a ring in front of it that kept getting jammed up
with wood chips, especially when using the surface planer.
With a garbage can separator, I NEVER get any clogs! For my
shop, it's a must have.
dave
Mark L. wrote:
> Greetings Wreckers,
> I have a DC question, and didn't try to google yet, I'm kind of tired
> tonight and just not in a googling mood. I have a Delta 50-840
> collector and it's hooked up to a Unisaw, DeWalt 735, and I'll be
> getting a DJ 20 soon. Is it good enough to just leave it hooked up
> directly, or should I be using some sort of a separator? Since it does
> take in it's fair share of chips from the Uni, I wonder if they can
> damage the DC? I'm really not up to speed yet on DC, so please excuse
> the newbie question. And besides, I'm doing my duty in trying to offset
> the idiot poster of late. Many TIA, Mark L.
>