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"mhandley"

23/05/2004 11:20 PM

Finishing Ipe - Brazilian Walnut

I probably have the spelling entirely wrong.

But the point is - I'm building a mission style bed from Ipe for my son, and
I have to ask - what's the best way to finish it?

Oil - if so what kind of oil.
- or -
Urethane
- or -
acrylic

or whatever.

Also, it seems that some pieces develop a small sparkly appearance on planed
and sanded surfaces within a few days after working. What's up with that?

TIA

Mark


This topic has 11 replies

TH

"Thomas H. Bunetta"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

26/05/2004 8:54 AM

I have used shellac over tung oil on several pieces made from Ipe... the
oldest is 7 years old, and looks as good today as the day it dried with the
final coat!
Tom


"mhandley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I probably have the spelling entirely wrong.
>
> But the point is - I'm building a mission style bed from Ipe for my son,
and
> I have to ask - what's the best way to finish it?
>
> Oil - if so what kind of oil.
> - or -
> Urethane
> - or -
> acrylic
>
> or whatever.
>
> Also, it seems that some pieces develop a small sparkly appearance on
planed
> and sanded surfaces within a few days after working. What's up with that?
>
> TIA
>
> Mark
>
>

BH

"Bob Heveri"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

25/05/2004 3:44 AM

The current issue of American Woodworker has an article about Ipe.


Bob Heveri
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 23 May 2004 23:20:52 -0400, "mhandley"
> > <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
> >
> >>I probably have the spelling entirely wrong.
> >>
> >>But the point is - I'm building a mission style bed from Ipe for my son,
> >>and I have to ask - what's the best way to finish it?
> >>
> >>Oil - if so what kind of oil.
> >>- or -
> >>Urethane
> >>- or -
> >>acrylic
> >>
> >>or whatever.
> >
> > Whatever sounds much better. How about Tried & True Varnish Oil?
> > Wax on, wax off, grasshoppah.
> >
> >
> >>Also, it seems that some pieces develop a small sparkly appearance on
> >>planed
> >>and sanded surfaces within a few days after working. What's up with
that?
> >
> > Silicates, perhaps?
>
> Lapochol in the pores (substance unique to Ipe, aka Lapacho). Eventually
> develops a powder. I'd worry about that in indoor furniture--it causes
> allergic reactions in some people. Stuff also turns red on exposure to
> alkaline substances such as most cleaners.
>
> > ==========================================================
> > I drank WHAT? + http://www.diversify.com
> > --Socrates + Web Application Programming
>
> --
> --John
> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

24/05/2004 3:29 AM


"mhandley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I probably have the spelling entirely wrong.
>
> But the point is - I'm building a mission style bed from Ipe for my son,
and
> I have to ask - what's the best way to finish it?


I have to say that just wax does wonders. I turned some on a lathe and
rubbed wax on it while it was still spinning and the finish was great. I
don't think any varnish is any harder than Ipe...;~) probably would not
protect it much.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

26/05/2004 1:17 AM


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Do you suspect that used indoors with a finish applied that there would
> > still be problems?
>
> That's the thing, I dunno, and I'd rather somebody else find out the hard
> way than end up with a beautiful chair that makes me itch when I sit in it
> <grin>.



;~)

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

25/05/2004 12:08 PM


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Lapochol in the pores (substance unique to Ipe, aka Lapacho). Eventually
> develops a powder. I'd worry about that in indoor furniture--it causes
> allergic reactions in some people. Stuff also turns red on exposure to
> alkaline substances such as most cleaners.


My experience with Ipe is that the yellowy powder that you are describing
is released when a new surface is exposed, such as then cutting or planing.
After the initial dust is wiped away or gone it does not seem to reappear
again unless the wood is cut or resurfaced again. I think also that it is
the yellowy dust that turns blood red when exposed to some liquids including
body sweat. I do not recall the blood red problem from the actual wood saw
dust or wiped off boards so much as the yellowy dust. Ipe is used
extensively for out door decks and I have never read or heard about any
problems with the boards becoming "red" stained from cleaning or body sweat.

The first time I worked with Ipe I thought I had severely cut myself because
of all the red on my hands on a hot day after resurfacing the wood.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

23/05/2004 8:45 PM

On Sun, 23 May 2004 23:20:52 -0400, "mhandley"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>I probably have the spelling entirely wrong.
>
>But the point is - I'm building a mission style bed from Ipe for my son, and
>I have to ask - what's the best way to finish it?
>
>Oil - if so what kind of oil.
>- or -
>Urethane
>- or -
>acrylic
>
>or whatever.

Whatever sounds much better. How about Tried & True Varnish Oil?
Wax on, wax off, grasshoppah.


>Also, it seems that some pieces develop a small sparkly appearance on planed
>and sanded surfaces within a few days after working. What's up with that?

Silicates, perhaps?


==========================================================
I drank WHAT? + http://www.diversify.com
--Socrates + Web Application Programming

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

24/05/2004 1:04 AM

Larry Jaques wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2004 23:20:52 -0400, "mhandley"
> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>>I probably have the spelling entirely wrong.
>>
>>But the point is - I'm building a mission style bed from Ipe for my son,
>>and I have to ask - what's the best way to finish it?
>>
>>Oil - if so what kind of oil.
>>- or -
>>Urethane
>>- or -
>>acrylic
>>
>>or whatever.
>
> Whatever sounds much better. How about Tried & True Varnish Oil?
> Wax on, wax off, grasshoppah.
>
>
>>Also, it seems that some pieces develop a small sparkly appearance on
>>planed
>>and sanded surfaces within a few days after working. What's up with that?
>
> Silicates, perhaps?

Lapochol in the pores (substance unique to Ipe, aka Lapacho). Eventually
develops a powder. I'd worry about that in indoor furniture--it causes
allergic reactions in some people. Stuff also turns red on exposure to
alkaline substances such as most cleaners.

> ==========================================================
> I drank WHAT? + http://www.diversify.com
> --Socrates + Web Application Programming

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

25/05/2004 9:56 AM

Leon wrote:

>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Lapochol in the pores (substance unique to Ipe, aka Lapacho). Eventually
>> develops a powder. I'd worry about that in indoor furniture--it causes
>> allergic reactions in some people. Stuff also turns red on exposure to
>> alkaline substances such as most cleaners.
>
>
> My experience with Ipe is that the yellowy powder that you are describing
> is released when a new surface is exposed, such as then cutting or
> planing. After the initial dust is wiped away or gone it does not seem to
> reappear
> again unless the wood is cut or resurfaced again. I think also that it is
> the yellowy dust that turns blood red when exposed to some liquids
> including
> body sweat. I do not recall the blood red problem from the actual wood
> saw
> dust or wiped off boards so much as the yellowy dust. Ipe is used
> extensively for out door decks and I have never read or heard about any
> problems with the boards becoming "red" stained from cleaning or body
> sweat.
>
> The first time I worked with Ipe I thought I had severely cut myself
> because of all the red on my hands on a hot day after resurfacing the
> wood.

Outdoors weathering would tend to remove it. Indoors, I for one would
really like to hear from someone who has lived with ipe furniture for a few
years.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

25/05/2004 8:05 PM

Leon wrote:

>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>> Outdoors weathering would tend to remove it. Indoors, I for one would
>> really like to hear from someone who has lived with ipe furniture for a
> few
>> years.
>
>
> Do you suspect that used indoors with a finish applied that there would
> still be problems?

That's the thing, I dunno, and I'd rather somebody else find out the hard
way than end up with a beautiful chair that makes me itch when I sit in it
<grin>.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

26/05/2004 10:50 AM

Thomas H. Bunetta wrote:

> I have used shellac over tung oil on several pieces made from Ipe... the
> oldest is 7 years old, and looks as good today as the day it dried with
> the final coat!

Cool. Thanks for that. What did you do for surface prep?

> Tom
>
>
> "mhandley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I probably have the spelling entirely wrong.
>>
>> But the point is - I'm building a mission style bed from Ipe for my son,
> and
>> I have to ask - what's the best way to finish it?
>>
>> Oil - if so what kind of oil.
>> - or -
>> Urethane
>> - or -
>> acrylic
>>
>> or whatever.
>>
>> Also, it seems that some pieces develop a small sparkly appearance on
> planed
>> and sanded surfaces within a few days after working. What's up with
>> that?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "mhandley" on 23/05/2004 11:20 PM

25/05/2004 7:58 PM


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>
> Outdoors weathering would tend to remove it. Indoors, I for one would
> really like to hear from someone who has lived with ipe furniture for a
few
> years.


Do you suspect that used indoors with a finish applied that there would
still be problems?


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