cE

17/02/2004 11:02 AM

Will a 3HP router help make raised panels faster?

Okay this may sound like an odd question but let me set the stage.

I'm planning on installing raised panel wainscotting in the dinning
room, living room and foyer. This will be about 200 liner feet of the
stuff.

I need to save time where possible because I have tight schedule.
FYI, I'm a DIY'er and have no problem with doing this project, just
looking to see if I can save some time by spending a couple of bucks
on a new router (not interested in getting a shaper).

I'm planning on using 5/8" thick MDF since I'll be painting the
finished product and figure that it would give me nice cuts.

I have a variable speed Bosch 1-1/2 HP plunge router and will be
borrowing a router table. This setup should be no problem for the
rail and stiles. I plan on using a horizonal raised panel bit and
based on my searches in this group it is doable with the router as
long as I make several passes (I'm guessing 4 passes).

So my question is if I get a 3hp+ router could I reduce the number of
passes that need to be made for each panel? I figure I can't do it in
a single pass but if 2 passes is possible then this might save me some
time. Or is this probably not reasonable due other things like
heating of the bit, etc.?

Thanks in advance and for putting up with the long winded post... :)

Best Regards,
Ed


This topic has 10 replies

BJ

"Bob Jones"

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

17/02/2004 1:35 PM

Phisherman posted something which I used in combination with a horizontal
raising bit. I am in the process of building cabinets with raised panel
doors. I didn't like the thought of all those passes wearing away at my
router bits, or hogging away with a brute power router, so I removed the
bulk of material with the table saw jig (or something similar, I've never
seen his....jig that is.) Then I finessed the shape with one pass on the
router table. Worked quite well.

"Echo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Okay this may sound like an odd question but let me set the stage.
>
> I'm planning on installing raised panel wainscotting in the dinning
> room, living room and foyer. This will be about 200 liner feet of the
> stuff.
>
> I need to save time where possible because I have tight schedule.
> FYI, I'm a DIY'er and have no problem with doing this project, just
> looking to see if I can save some time by spending a couple of bucks
> on a new router (not interested in getting a shaper).
>
> I'm planning on using 5/8" thick MDF since I'll be painting the
> finished product and figure that it would give me nice cuts.
>
> I have a variable speed Bosch 1-1/2 HP plunge router and will be
> borrowing a router table. This setup should be no problem for the
> rail and stiles. I plan on using a horizonal raised panel bit and
> based on my searches in this group it is doable with the router as
> long as I make several passes (I'm guessing 4 passes).
>
> So my question is if I get a 3hp+ router could I reduce the number of
> passes that need to be made for each panel? I figure I can't do it in
> a single pass but if 2 passes is possible then this might save me some
> time. Or is this probably not reasonable due other things like
> heating of the bit, etc.?
>
> Thanks in advance and for putting up with the long winded post... :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Ed

MS

Mo' Sawdust

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

17/02/2004 1:34 PM

By using MDF, you can cut down the multiple passes to two
with your existing router. Usually with wood, it is
necessary to do it in multiple (>3) passes for raised
panels.

If the panel bit is one of the vertical profiles, then your
existing router will be fine.

If using a panel bit that is of the 3" or so diameter, then
going with a higher horsepowered router would be prudent.


--
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important to take steps to minimize it.

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in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

18/02/2004 10:42 AM

If you buy a new router, make sure its variable speed, especially if
you use the large diameter bits, as they are run at slower speeds. I
have a dewalt 625 which works well for me, and lately I have seen on
sale, but the best bang for the buck is the Hitachi 3hp.


[email protected] (Echo) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Thanks you all for the great posts, I really appreciate it.
>
> I'm going to go with the beefier router plus I'll be making the
> initial pass with the table saw.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

17/02/2004 7:08 PM

The larger router will be the better choice for spinning a raised panel bit.
BUT will it save you time? Maybe. You might save a pass or 2. I certainly
would not consider making 1 pass even with the larger router. Get the
larger router because you should be using a bigger router for large bits,
not to save a lot of time. I suspect that the actual time savings would be
an hour or two, maybe.


"Echo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Okay this may sound like an odd question but let me set the stage.
>
> I'm planning on installing raised panel wainscotting in the dinning
> room, living room and foyer. This will be about 200 liner feet of the
> stuff.
>
> I need to save time where possible because I have tight schedule.
> FYI, I'm a DIY'er and have no problem with doing this project, just
> looking to see if I can save some time by spending a couple of bucks
> on a new router (not interested in getting a shaper).
>
> I'm planning on using 5/8" thick MDF since I'll be painting the
> finished product and figure that it would give me nice cuts.
>
> I have a variable speed Bosch 1-1/2 HP plunge router and will be
> borrowing a router table. This setup should be no problem for the
> rail and stiles. I plan on using a horizonal raised panel bit and
> based on my searches in this group it is doable with the router as
> long as I make several passes (I'm guessing 4 passes).
>
> So my question is if I get a 3hp+ router could I reduce the number of
> passes that need to be made for each panel? I figure I can't do it in
> a single pass but if 2 passes is possible then this might save me some
> time. Or is this probably not reasonable due other things like
> heating of the bit, etc.?
>
> Thanks in advance and for putting up with the long winded post... :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Ed

PA

"Preston Andreas"

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

18/02/2004 12:36 AM

I would get a 3 hp router, especially if you are using a horizontal panel
cutter. Remove some of the waste with a table saw, and you can raise the
panel in one pass.

Preston

"Echo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Okay this may sound like an odd question but let me set the stage.
>
> I'm planning on installing raised panel wainscotting in the dinning
> room, living room and foyer. This will be about 200 liner feet of the
> stuff.
>
> I need to save time where possible because I have tight schedule.
> FYI, I'm a DIY'er and have no problem with doing this project, just
> looking to see if I can save some time by spending a couple of bucks
> on a new router (not interested in getting a shaper).
>
> I'm planning on using 5/8" thick MDF since I'll be painting the
> finished product and figure that it would give me nice cuts.
>
> I have a variable speed Bosch 1-1/2 HP plunge router and will be
> borrowing a router table. This setup should be no problem for the
> rail and stiles. I plan on using a horizonal raised panel bit and
> based on my searches in this group it is doable with the router as
> long as I make several passes (I'm guessing 4 passes).
>
> So my question is if I get a 3hp+ router could I reduce the number of
> passes that need to be made for each panel? I figure I can't do it in
> a single pass but if 2 passes is possible then this might save me some
> time. Or is this probably not reasonable due other things like
> heating of the bit, etc.?
>
> Thanks in advance and for putting up with the long winded post... :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Ed

BS

"Bob S."

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

18/02/2004 1:43 AM

In addition to the router advice, do not underestimate the absolute mess
that MDF is going to make. Have a good dust collection setup and a quality
face mask rated for fine dust. You don't know what fine dust is until you
mess with MDF... It's like taking a drum of brown baby powder and just
tossing it all over your shop. You won't believe that until you've cut a
panel or two... then you'll be a believer (trust me...)

Bob S.

cE

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

18/02/2004 5:49 AM

Thanks you all for the great posts, I really appreciate it.

I'm going to go with the beefier router plus I'll be making the
initial pass with the table saw.



[email protected] (Echo) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Okay this may sound like an odd question but let me set the stage.
>
> I'm planning on installing raised panel wainscotting in the dinning
> room, living room and foyer. This will be about 200 liner feet of the
> stuff.
>
> I need to save time where possible because I have tight schedule.
> FYI, I'm a DIY'er and have no problem with doing this project, just
> looking to see if I can save some time by spending a couple of bucks
> on a new router (not interested in getting a shaper).
>
> I'm planning on using 5/8" thick MDF since I'll be painting the
> finished product and figure that it would give me nice cuts.
>
> I have a variable speed Bosch 1-1/2 HP plunge router and will be
> borrowing a router table. This setup should be no problem for the
> rail and stiles. I plan on using a horizonal raised panel bit and
> based on my searches in this group it is doable with the router as
> long as I make several passes (I'm guessing 4 passes).
>
> So my question is if I get a 3hp+ router could I reduce the number of
> passes that need to be made for each panel? I figure I can't do it in
> a single pass but if 2 passes is possible then this might save me some
> time. Or is this probably not reasonable due other things like
> heating of the bit, etc.?
>
> Thanks in advance and for putting up with the long winded post... :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Ed

Bn

Bridger

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

17/02/2004 4:48 PM

On 17 Feb 2004 11:02:12 -0800, [email protected] (Echo) wrote:

>Okay this may sound like an odd question but let me set the stage.
>
>I'm planning on installing raised panel wainscotting in the dinning
>room, living room and foyer. This will be about 200 liner feet of the
>stuff.
>
>I need to save time where possible because I have tight schedule.
>FYI, I'm a DIY'er and have no problem with doing this project, just
>looking to see if I can save some time by spending a couple of bucks
>on a new router (not interested in getting a shaper).
>
>I'm planning on using 5/8" thick MDF since I'll be painting the
>finished product and figure that it would give me nice cuts.
>
>I have a variable speed Bosch 1-1/2 HP plunge router and will be
>borrowing a router table. This setup should be no problem for the
>rail and stiles. I plan on using a horizonal raised panel bit and
>based on my searches in this group it is doable with the router as
>long as I make several passes (I'm guessing 4 passes).
>
>So my question is if I get a 3hp+ router could I reduce the number of
>passes that need to be made for each panel? I figure I can't do it in
>a single pass but if 2 passes is possible then this might save me some
>time. Or is this probably not reasonable due other things like
>heating of the bit, etc.?
>
>Thanks in advance and for putting up with the long winded post... :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Ed



the bigger router will make the panel raising go more smoothly. I do
most of my panel raising with a vertical bit in a 1-1/2HP router in a
horizontal router table.

I raise panels with a vertical bit rather than a horizontal bit for a
couple of reasons:
1) the tip speeds are more reasonable overall and more consistent from
one end of the cutter to the other.
2) the horsepower requirements are lower.

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

17/02/2004 7:34 PM

On 17 Feb 2004 11:02:12 -0800, [email protected] (Echo) wrote:

>Okay this may sound like an odd question but let me set the stage.
>
>I'm planning on installing raised panel wainscotting in the dinning
>room, living room and foyer. This will be about 200 liner feet of the
>stuff.
>
>I need to save time where possible because I have tight schedule.
>FYI, I'm a DIY'er and have no problem with doing this project, just
>looking to see if I can save some time by spending a couple of bucks
>on a new router (not interested in getting a shaper).
>
>I'm planning on using 5/8" thick MDF since I'll be painting the
>finished product and figure that it would give me nice cuts.
>
>I have a variable speed Bosch 1-1/2 HP plunge router and will be
>borrowing a router table. This setup should be no problem for the
>rail and stiles. I plan on using a horizonal raised panel bit and
>based on my searches in this group it is doable with the router as
>long as I make several passes (I'm guessing 4 passes).
>
>So my question is if I get a 3hp+ router could I reduce the number of
>passes that need to be made for each panel? I figure I can't do it in
>a single pass but if 2 passes is possible then this might save me some
>time. Or is this probably not reasonable due other things like
>heating of the bit, etc.?
>
>Thanks in advance and for putting up with the long winded post... :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Ed

For a cleaner cut two passes are better than one. I've made nice
raised panels using a table saw and a sliding jig that fits over the
fence--fast, easy, and no inexpensive router bits. Have adequate dust
collection with MDF and protect your lungs from the fine dust.

BD

"Bob Davis"

in reply to [email protected] (Echo) on 17/02/2004 11:02 AM

18/02/2004 5:06 PM

You weren't by any chance wanting a new router and looking for justification
for SWMBO were you? <grin>

Bob

"Echo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks you all for the great posts, I really appreciate it.
>
> I'm going to go with the beefier router plus I'll be making the
> initial pass with the table saw.


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