Thank god for a little bit of rust and a missing blade! I was at an
Auction yesterday and just picked up a delta Unisaw serial number
122-3968 for an amazingly low price. Winning bid was fifty dollars.
even with then 10% buyers premium and sales tax I was out the door for
fifty nine dollars and change. As I told my wife "it was too cheap not
to buy" Yes is is three phase but I couln't resist the intact cabinet
with the cast iron base and the cast iron motor cover. the both seem
much cooler that my current unisaw of mid 80s vintage instead of the
late 50s. Along with the saw came a mitre gage that reads "THE DRIVER
LINE" geared self indexing mitre gage patent no 2,010882. it seems
to be pretty cool and features preset angles and allow you to dial the
angle you want with the geared knob and then lock it into position
with the top knob without deflecting the angle at all. Also wear a
couple of throat plates for a dado blade. It is missing a fence but
that should be no problem to add a good biesemeyer. This saw even had
a blade guard in good working order that my current saw lacks. The
handwheels were hard to turn but are now smooth once i cleaned the
accumulated sawdust and gave them a light coat of grease. The arbor
seems tight without any play and spins freely.
A couple of questions. I want to pick between the two saws and make
one for the shop.
My preferences are to keep the base and cabinet of the older saw. But
the single phase motor of the newer saw. Can I just switch motor and
the switch and starter apperatus? The old saw has an oval opening and
the newer saw is more rectangular.
Once I clean up ther table of the older saw it looks like it will be
the better table. The newer saw has the t mitre slots and the older
table does not. Is there any huge benefit to the t slots vs plain?
any reccomendations for a fence system?
In article <[email protected]>,
Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Now a question to the group...which is "better" and why...a older
>Unisaw or a newer Unisaw?
>
authoritative answer: "Yes." <grin>
In article <460599b6-c02b-4500-8b1b-06eab0a41b18@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 8:39 pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>
>> Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Now a question to the group...which is "better" and why...a older
>> >Unisaw or a newer Unisaw?
>>
>> authoritative answer: "Yes." <grin>
>
>LOL...I ask because in the near future I get my choice of either an
>older Unisaw or a newer one?
>
>So which one would you choose?
>
>TMT
I say again, "yes". <*BIG* grin>
One can _never_ have too many Unisaws.
More seriously, how old, and how new? and in what condition? are they
identical in all other ways -- hp, fence, etc?
One last thing, trying to decide based on _color_ won't work.
On Jan 7, 8:39=A0pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
om>,
>
> Too_Many_Tools =A0<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Now a question to the group...which is "better" and why...a older
> >Unisaw or a newer Unisaw?
>
> authoritative answer: =A0"Yes." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<grin>
LOL...I ask because in the near future I get my choice of either an
older Unisaw or a newer one?
So which one would you choose?
TMT
"brandom11" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fd7851ba-538f-4162-be6c-a94da54fd6c0@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Thank god for a little bit of rust and a missing blade! I was at an
> Auction yesterday and just picked up a delta Unisaw serial number
> 122-3968 for an amazingly low price. Winning bid was fifty dollars.
> even with then 10% buyers premium and sales tax I was out the door for
> fifty nine dollars and change. As I told my wife "it was too cheap not
> to buy" Yes is is three phase but I couln't resist the intact cabinet
> with the cast iron base and the cast iron motor cover. the both seem
> much cooler that my current unisaw of mid 80s vintage instead of the
> late 50s. Along with the saw came a mitre gage that reads "THE DRIVER
> LINE" geared self indexing mitre gage patent no 2,010882. it seems
> to be pretty cool and features preset angles and allow you to dial the
> angle you want with the geared knob and then lock it into position
> with the top knob without deflecting the angle at all. Also wear a
> couple of throat plates for a dado blade. It is missing a fence but
> that should be no problem to add a good biesemeyer. This saw even had
> a blade guard in good working order that my current saw lacks. The
> handwheels were hard to turn but are now smooth once i cleaned the
> accumulated sawdust and gave them a light coat of grease. The arbor
> seems tight without any play and spins freely.
>
> A couple of questions. I want to pick between the two saws and make
> one for the shop.
>
> My preferences are to keep the base and cabinet of the older saw. But
> the single phase motor of the newer saw. Can I just switch motor and
> the switch and starter apperatus? The old saw has an oval opening and
> the newer saw is more rectangular.
>
> Once I clean up ther table of the older saw it looks like it will be
> the better table. The newer saw has the t mitre slots and the older
> table does not. Is there any huge benefit to the t slots vs plain?
> any reccomendations for a fence system?
You definitely rate a big YOU SUCK for this one !!! Fifty dollars ?
(grumble, grumble)
If I were you (I wish) I would fix up this beautiful old saw, buying it
whatever it needs, including a new 50" Biesmeyer fence, while leaving your
new saw completely intact (you've got to have something to use in the
meantime). You could run the 3 phase motor with a phase converter or buy it
a new single phase motor. Either way you are still money ahead. When you
finally get that old saw all fixed up you can then make a decision which of
the saws you want to keep for yourself (my bet is on the old one). Then you
can sell the other saw to one of us needy people here for a full recovery of
all of the money that you have invested in fixing the old saw plus a nice
profit for your effort. I could sure use a Unisaw. I'll tell you what, I'll
buy whichever saw that you decide not to keep (if you live near enough to me
to make picking it up reasonably possible). If not to me I'm sure someone on
this group will be very happy to take it off your hands for fair money.
Charley
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:11:25 -0600, "woodstuff" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"brandom11" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
>
>Yes is is three phase but I couln't resist the intact cabinet
>| with the cast iron base and the cast iron motor cover. the both seem
>
>
>I need a 3 Phase motor like that if you want to sell it. If you aren't too
>far away to ship to the Dallas area
>
>I will email you if your email addy is good, Thanks
>
>woodstuff
>
I have a late 80's Unisaw with a three phase motor.Not all that many
hours of use on the motor. If you want to buy the motor send me an
email removing the deoesthisblockpork. I live in Atlanta. Maybe you
were looking for a vintage 3 phase motor.
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:17:45 -0800 (PST), Heath Roberts <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 22 2007, 1:42 am, brandom11 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What I'm thinking about is just lifting swapping the whole assembly,
>> motor and all out of my newer saw and dropping it into the base of the
>> older saw. a neighbor has an engine hoist. Has anyone tried this?
>> any suggestions how any where to wrap a strap? I'm kinda thinking to
>> block up the assembly and bolt in some eyebolts where it mounts to the
>> cabinet.
>
>Good buy--I have a 50's-vintage Unisaw, which I love. Unfortunately
>they're not always as cheap as you might hope, especially if you want
>to 'do it right'.
>
>There's really no point in swapping internals. The old cabinet won't
>have enough clearance for the new motor to tilt.
>
>If you want the old saw, either find a single-phase 'bullet' (old-
>style) motor or get a variable frequency drive (VFD) that has a single-
>phase input and three-phase output.
>I'd go with the drive--this one should work:
>
>http://web2.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/AC_Drives/GS2_(115_-z-_230_-z-_460_-z-_575_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control)/GS2-22P0
>
>Some people cut the old cabinets to fit new motors--to me, doing that
>destroys the 'vintage' value of the saw, which seems near-criminal--
>just sell it to someone who will appreciate it and use the money to
>get what you really want.
>
>You'll also want to check for arbor wear before you spend any money,
>just so you know what you're getting into--I think you can have the
>arbor rebuilt for a couple hundred dollars.
>
>> My other thought is to just switch motors for now any needs pulleys
>> just to see how well it cuts.
>
>Just install the new-style motor in the old cabinet--it'll work fine
>as long as you don't try to tilt it more than a few degrees. I think
>you'll be able to leave the new pulley on the new motor, and leave the
>existing pulley on the arbor, but I don't have diameters handy, so
>calculate those ratios before you start--I don't think you want the
>blade turning at twice design speed.
I built a static phase converter using one of the phase converter configuration instruction plans you can usually find for
free online. I have configured static phase converters for 3hp and 5hp unisaws, usually they will fit into a metal
utility box about the size of a lunchbox. I try to use all "run" type capacitors if possible as they are in metal cans vs
plastic for most "start" capacitors. Mount the box close to the regular on/off switch and set it up so there is a
momentary contact switch in the converter that you hold in while turning on the normal on switch, the phase converter
switch is released when the saw spins up, usually about 2-3 seconds. A good source for all the caps and heavy duty
switches is surpluscenter.com. They also sell phase converters but IMHO too expensive, given that static converters are
so simple to construct and the components used inexpensive and readily available why not save money and build you're own.
The VFD is a great solution if you can find one that is less than the cost of buying a new single phase replacement motor
and swapping out the 3 phase motor. Sometimes you can find them on ebay or craigs list. Since there is no additional
cost justification for a (list price) VFD on a tablesaw, unlike a lathe, drill press, or bandsaw where the capability of
varying the speed is an almost mandatory requirement, usually VFD's are a spendy solution. VFD's usually are the
preferred choice when the issue involves a 1hp or less 3 phase to single phase requirement economics (using new
components), unless one shops for a used single phase replacement motor which seem to be more available and can even be
found at garage sales.
A final note on static phase converters: Using this approach you will only get about 75% of the rated HP of the three
phase motor. However, in a busy shop with many different individuals using the unisaws we did not ever have a situation
where the saw didn't have more than enough power for any task it was called upon to accomplish, again this is using a 3hp
and a 5hp unisaw operating their (stock) 3 phase motors via static phase converters on single phase power over a 3+ year
period. Good luck and best regards, Joe. (Feel free to email me should you have additional questions as I don't always
have the time to keep up on my newsgroup reads.)
"brandom11" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
Yes is is three phase but I couln't resist the intact cabinet
| with the cast iron base and the cast iron motor cover. the both seem
I need a 3 Phase motor like that if you want to sell it. If you aren't too
far away to ship to the Dallas area
I will email you if your email addy is good, Thanks
woodstuff
On Dec 20, 8:56 pm, brandom11 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank god for a little bit of rust and a missing blade! I was at an
> Auction yesterday and just picked up a delta Unisaw serial number
> 122-3968 for an amazingly low price. Winning bid was fifty dollars.
> even with then 10% buyers premium and sales tax I was out the door for
> fifty nine dollars and change. As I told my wife "it was too cheap not
> to buy" Yes is is three phase but I couln't resist the intact cabinet
> with the cast iron base and the cast iron motor cover. the both seem
> much cooler that my current unisaw of mid 80s vintage instead of the
> late 50s. Along with the saw came a mitre gage that reads "THE DRIVER
> LINE" geared self indexing mitre gage patent no 2,010882. it seems
> to be pretty cool and features preset angles and allow you to dial the
> angle you want with the geared knob and then lock it into position
> with the top knob without deflecting the angle at all. Also wear a
> couple of throat plates for a dado blade. It is missing a fence but
> that should be no problem to add a good biesemeyer. This saw even had
> a blade guard in good working order that my current saw lacks. The
> handwheels were hard to turn but are now smooth once i cleaned the
> accumulated sawdust and gave them a light coat of grease. The arbor
> seems tight without any play and spins freely.
>
> A couple of questions. I want to pick between the two saws and make
> one for the shop.
>
> My preferences are to keep the base and cabinet of the older saw. But
> the single phase motor of the newer saw. Can I just switch motor and
> the switch and starter apperatus? The old saw has an oval opening and
> the newer saw is more rectangular.
>
> Once I clean up ther table of the older saw it looks like it will be
> the better table. The newer saw has the t mitre slots and the older
> table does not. Is there any huge benefit to the t slots vs plain?
> any reccomendations for a fence system?
first off, YOU SUCK!
cast base unisaw with the motor cover for fifty bucks <grumble
grumble>
second, the miter gage is a walker turner, not a delta.
third, either the miter gage or the cast motor cover are worth a good
bit more than what you paid for the saw. did you get the louvered dust
door too? that's also valuable on the collector market.
fourth, keep the old saw. to be most correct, from a collector's piont
of view, keep the 3phase motor in it and run it with a VFD.
fifth, get yourself on over to www.owwm.com. there you can find out a
lot more about your new score.
On Dec 21, 5:29=A0pm, "Frank Drackman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "brandom11" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:fd7851ba-538f-4162-be6c-a94da54fd6c0@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Thank god for a little bit of rust and a missing blade!
>
> Very nice!
Hi all wasn't even thinking of the gloat but I take the "YOU SUCK"
with the highest of regard. I was stunned when it was announced
sold $50.00 to bidder no 855. What made it even more surreal it the
next item was a shiny tiny aluminum ryobi with fold down wheels that
went for $85.00 and then two roller stands that went for $35.00. Just
a funny crowd, there for the skis and other stuff, not a closed
cabinet shop or other auction that brings woodworkers together and
prices up.
Any way a freind came over tonight and I have it out of the truck and
into the shop. I'll try to get a few photos posted.
It does have the louvered dust door but it is missing the knob. Do I
search for the original part or chuck up a chunk of wood in the lathe?
What I'm thinking about is just lifting swapping the whole assembly,
motor and all out of my newer saw and dropping it into the base of the
older saw. a neighbor has an engine hoist. Has anyone tried this?
any suggestions how any where to wrap a strap? I'm kinda thinking to
bloch up the assembly and bolt in some eyebolts where it mounts to the
cabinet.
My other thought is to just switch motors for now any needs pulleys
just to see how well it cuts.
Brad
On Dec 20 2007, 9:56=A0pm, brandom11 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank god for a little bit of rust and a missing blade! =A0 I was at an
> Auction yesterday and just picked up a delta Unisaw serial number
> 122-3968 for an amazingly low price. =A0Winning bid was fifty dollars.
> even with then 10% buyers premium and sales tax I was out the door for
> fifty nine dollars and change. As I told my wife "it was too cheap not
> to buy" =A0Yes is is three phase but I couln't resist the intact cabinet
> with the cast iron base and the cast iron motor cover. =A0the both seem
> much cooler that my current unisaw of mid 80s vintage instead of the
> late 50s. =A0Along with the saw came a mitre gage that reads "THE DRIVER
> LINE" =A0geared self indexing mitre gage patent no 2,010882. =A0it seems
> to be pretty cool and features preset angles and allow you to dial the
> angle you want with the geared knob and then lock it into position
> with the top knob without deflecting the angle at all. =A0 Also wear a
> couple of throat plates for a dado blade. =A0It is missing a fence but
> that should be no problem to add a good biesemeyer. =A0This saw even had
> a blade guard in good working order that my current saw lacks. =A0 The
> handwheels were hard to turn but are now smooth once i cleaned the
> accumulated sawdust and gave them a light coat of grease. =A0The arbor
> seems tight without any play and spins freely.
>
> A couple of questions. =A0I want to pick between the two saws and make
> one for the shop.
>
> My preferences are to keep the base and cabinet of the older saw. =A0But
> the single phase motor of the newer saw. =A0Can I just switch motor and
> the switch and starter apperatus? =A0The old saw has an oval opening and
> the newer saw is more rectangular.
>
> Once I clean up ther table of the older saw it looks like it will be
> the better table. =A0The newer saw has the t mitre slots and the older
> table does not. =A0Is there any huge benefit to the t slots vs plain?
> any reccomendations for a fence system?
Good catch...I am impressed.
Now a question to the group...which is "better" and why...a older
Unisaw or a newer Unisaw?
Thanks
TMT
On Jan 8, 4:05=A0pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article <[email protected].=
com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Too_Many_Tools =A0<[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jan 7, 8:39=A0pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]=
s.com>,
>
> >> Too_Many_Tools =A0<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >Now a question to the group...which is "better" and why...a older
> >> >Unisaw or a newer Unisaw?
>
> >> authoritative answer: =A0"Yes." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<grin>
>
> >LOL...I ask because in the near future I get my choice of either an
> >older Unisaw or a newer one?
>
> >So which one would you choose?
>
> >TMT
>
> I say again, =A0"yes". =A0 =A0<*BIG* grin>
>
> One can _never_ have too many Unisaws. =A0
>
> More seriously, =A0how old, and how new? =A0and in what condition? =A0are =
they
> identical in all other ways -- hp, fence, etc?
>
> One last thing, trying to decide based on _color_ won't work.- Hide quoted=
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Older ones...all cast...perfect condition.
Newer ones...new within the last five years.
Price...free...I get to pick which one I want.
So again...are the old or the new Unisaws better?
TMT
On Dec 22 2007, 1:42 am, brandom11 <[email protected]> wrote:
> What I'm thinking about is just lifting swapping the whole assembly,
> motor and all out of my newer saw and dropping it into the base of the
> older saw. a neighbor has an engine hoist. Has anyone tried this?
> any suggestions how any where to wrap a strap? I'm kinda thinking to
> block up the assembly and bolt in some eyebolts where it mounts to the
> cabinet.
Good buy--I have a 50's-vintage Unisaw, which I love. Unfortunately
they're not always as cheap as you might hope, especially if you want
to 'do it right'.
There's really no point in swapping internals. The old cabinet won't
have enough clearance for the new motor to tilt.
If you want the old saw, either find a single-phase 'bullet' (old-
style) motor or get a variable frequency drive (VFD) that has a single-
phase input and three-phase output.
I'd go with the drive--this one should work:
http://web2.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/AC_Drives/GS2_(115_-z-_230_-z-_460_-z-_575_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control)/GS2-22P0
Some people cut the old cabinets to fit new motors--to me, doing that
destroys the 'vintage' value of the saw, which seems near-criminal--
just sell it to someone who will appreciate it and use the money to
get what you really want.
You'll also want to check for arbor wear before you spend any money,
just so you know what you're getting into--I think you can have the
arbor rebuilt for a couple hundred dollars.
> My other thought is to just switch motors for now any needs pulleys
> just to see how well it cuts.
Just install the new-style motor in the old cabinet--it'll work fine
as long as you don't try to tilt it more than a few degrees. I think
you'll be able to leave the new pulley on the new motor, and leave the
existing pulley on the arbor, but I don't have diameters handy, so
calculate those ratios before you start--I don't think you want the
blade turning at twice design speed.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:56:45 -0800 (PST), brandom11
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Thank god for a little bit of rust and a missing blade! I was at an
>Auction yesterday and just picked up a delta Unisaw serial number
>122-3968 for an amazingly low price. Winning bid was fifty dollars.
>even with then 10% buyers premium and sales tax I was out the door for
>fifty nine dollars and change. As I told my wife "it was too cheap not
>to buy" Yes is is three phase but I couln't resist the intact cabinet
>with the cast iron base and the cast iron motor cover. the both seem
>much cooler that my current unisaw of mid 80s vintage instead of the
>late 50s. Along with the saw came a mitre gage that reads "THE DRIVER
>LINE" geared self indexing mitre gage patent no 2,010882. it seems
>to be pretty cool and features preset angles and allow you to dial the
>angle you want with the geared knob and then lock it into position
>with the top knob without deflecting the angle at all. Also wear a
>couple of throat plates for a dado blade. It is missing a fence but
>that should be no problem to add a good biesemeyer. This saw even had
>a blade guard in good working order that my current saw lacks. The
>handwheels were hard to turn but are now smooth once i cleaned the
>accumulated sawdust and gave them a light coat of grease. The arbor
>seems tight without any play and spins freely.
>
>A couple of questions. I want to pick between the two saws and make
>one for the shop.
>
>My preferences are to keep the base and cabinet of the older saw. But
>the single phase motor of the newer saw. Can I just switch motor and
>the switch and starter apperatus? The old saw has an oval opening and
>the newer saw is more rectangular.
>
>Once I clean up ther table of the older saw it looks like it will be
>the better table. The newer saw has the t mitre slots and the older
>table does not. Is there any huge benefit to the t slots vs plain?
>any reccomendations for a fence system?
the 3PH motor is probly 1725 RPM and the newer 1PH is probly 3450RPM
so you may have to change the motor pulley and the belts too. use the
pulley and belts from the newer saw. the arbor is the same or close
enough i believe. I converted one a few years back but I had to buy
the extra parts! not cheap but I am happy with the results.
skeez
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:27:17 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jan 8, 4:05 pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>> In article <460599b6-c02b-4500-8b1b-06eab0a41...@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Jan 7, 8:39 pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>> >> In article <[email protected]>,
>>
>> >> Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Now a question to the group...which is "better" and why...a older
>> >> >Unisaw or a newer Unisaw?
>>
>> >> authoritative answer: "Yes." <grin>
>>
>> >LOL...I ask because in the near future I get my choice of either an
>> >older Unisaw or a newer one?
>>
>> >So which one would you choose?
>>
>> >TMT
>>
>> I say again, "yes". <*BIG* grin>
>>
>> One can _never_ have too many Unisaws.
>>
>> More seriously, how old, and how new? and in what condition? are they
>> identical in all other ways -- hp, fence, etc?
>>
>> One last thing, trying to decide based on _color_ won't work.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Older ones...all cast...perfect condition.
>
>Newer ones...new within the last five years.
>
>Price...free...I get to pick which one I want.
>
>So again...are the old or the new Unisaws better?
>
>TMT
Can you take both?
Just wondering?
Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618
"brandom11" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fd7851ba-538f-4162-be6c-a94da54fd6c0@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Thank god for a little bit of rust and a missing blade!
Very nice!