I was searching the internet and came across these plans for a dovetail jig:
http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/dovejig.html
It is from an old Woodsmith magazine. Has anyone tried to make this jig, or
another DIY dovetail jig themselves? I've been thinking about the mechanics
of cutting dovetails, and it seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to
make one. Any additional information will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Charlie
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:53:56 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Alan W) wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> "RixWorx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<aCqDc.21923$wS2.7318@okepread03>...
>>> This might work. Allows for different widts/# of dovetails
>>>
>>> http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/stots_dovetail_template_mast
>>> er.htm
>>>
>> The stotts jig is the jig which comes with a shrinkwrap license. You
>> don't own it, you cannot loan it, you cannot let your buddy use a
>> template you make from it.
>>
>> Therefore I won't be a buyer/licensee
>>
>
>There is nothing to that effect on the Rockler website. Therefore, if I
>were to buy that stuff, I am not subscribing to to any restrictions. I buy
>it, I own it, and that's that.
With shrinkwrap licenses, it doesn't have to be on the Rockler website.
By your act of breaking the seal on the product, you are agreeing to all
terms and conditions in the license accompanying the package, so by opening
the package without reading the license, for all you know you may be
agreeing to become Bill Gate's towel boy in his new mansion (obscure
Dilbert reference) in exchange for getting to use the product. Your
agreement is not with Rockler, but with the weasels selling the jig. IMHO,
(IANAL) such an agreement on a tool would not be very likely to withstand a
court challenge, but then who wants to go through the hassle, you're better
off finding another product that does not have such an egregious and
arrogant opinion of itself. Ed Foster's gripe line in Infoworld has had
quite a bit of fun with this extreme example of "sneakwrap" licensing.
Haven't seen any of the dovetail jig imports in the flesh except the HF
version. However, see my comments in the following thread regarding the HF
version and Eric Anderson's comments concerning improvements he made to the
very similar, but not completely identical, Woodstock International version.
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=rsMrc.6074%24af3.287408%40attbi_s51&rnum=6&prev=/groups%3Fas_epq%3Ddavid%2520merrill%26safe%3Dimages%26ie%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Drec.woodworking%26lr%3D%26hl%3Den
On other products (specifically HF's $149 horizontal/vertical metal cutting
bandsaw) I visually compared it to Jet's comparable, but more expensive,
product and found that the Jet did indeed have some slightly different, and
better, engineering design details.
All considered, I felt that I got my money's worth with the HF product (both
the dovetail jig and the bandsaw referenced above). Note that I'm a
hobbiest; I only buy at their sale prices; I don't buy sight unseen; and I'm
prepared to do a bit of tweaking and modifying if needed.
David Merrill
"Charlie Mraz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Having just purchased one of the 'blue monsters' from Harbor Freight I'd
> be
> > very interested in pictures and any construction and setup/use hints you
> > could offer regarding through dovetail templates. Perhaps you could
post
> > them to alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking for all to see. If you prefer
> to
> > email note that the anti-spam 'DOT' must be deleted from my email
address.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David Merrill
> >
> I read a review of the JET dovetail jig on amazon that basically said that
> the harbor freight version is somehow sub-standard as far as fit and
finish
> goes. Is there any truth to this? The jigs from HF, JET, Grizzly, and
> Rockler all look identical but vary in price from $39.99 to $79.99. I
know
> the Rockler ($79.99) comes with the necessary template guide and bit, but
I
> believe that the rest are jigs only. Any comments from owners of the
> various brands?
>
> Charlie
>
>
Five pictures have been posted on a.b.p.w.
Earl Creel
"David Merrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:x6Yzc.40417$2i5.37900@attbi_s52...
> Having just purchased one of the 'blue monsters' from Harbor Freight I'd
be
> very interested in pictures and any construction and setup/use hints you
> could offer regarding through dovetail templates. Perhaps you could post
> them to alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking for all to see. If you prefer
to
> email note that the anti-spam 'DOT' must be deleted from my email address.
>
> Thanks,
> David Merrill
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> I was searching the internet and came across these plans for a dovetail jig:
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/dovejig.html
>
> It is from an old Woodsmith magazine. Has anyone tried to make this jig, or
> another DIY dovetail jig themselves? I've been thinking about the mechanics
> of cutting dovetails, and it seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to
> make one. Any additional information will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
I made it and it works great. Have tried several of the blue monsters
and while they probably work well for soft woods, I had trouble with
them when making drawers out of 1/2 inch oak. The vibration caused
movement of the sides in the jig. I beleive the problem is with the bars
that are used to hold the sides in place. While they look impressive,
they do bend every so slight and allow for movement. The Woodsmith jig
has oak bars that do not bend. I really like it.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> > I was searching the internet and came across these plans for a dovetail jig:
> >
> > http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/dovejig.html
> >
> > It is from an old Woodsmith magazine. Has anyone tried to make this jig, or
> > another DIY dovetail jig themselves? I've been thinking about the mechanics
> > of cutting dovetails, and it seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to
> > make one. Any additional information will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> I made it and it works great. Have tried several of the blue monsters
> and while they probably work well for soft woods, I had trouble with
> them when making drawers out of 1/2 inch oak. The vibration caused
> movement of the sides in the jig. I beleive the problem is with the bars
> that are used to hold the sides in place. While they look impressive,
> they do bend every so slight and allow for movement. The Woodsmith jig
> has oak bars that do not bend. I really like it.
>
I modified the plan a little by using the Porter Cable 5/8 template made
out of 1/4 aluminum. That way I can use a 1/2 dovetail bit on a 1/2
shank and get much less vibration.
[email protected] (Alan W) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "RixWorx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<aCqDc.21923$wS2.7318@okepread03>...
>> This might work. Allows for different widts/# of dovetails
>>
>> http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/stots_dovetail_template_mast
>> er.htm
>>
> The stotts jig is the jig which comes with a shrinkwrap license. You
> don't own it, you cannot loan it, you cannot let your buddy use a
> template you make from it.
>
> Therefore I won't be a buyer/licensee
>
There is nothing to that effect on the Rockler website. Therefore, if I
were to buy that stuff, I am not subscribing to to any restrictions. I buy
it, I own it, and that's that.
--
Best regards
Han
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[email protected] (Alan W) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Han <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> [email protected] (Alan W) wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > "RixWorx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:<aCqDc.21923$wS2.7318@okepread03>...
>> >> This might work. Allows for different widts/# of dovetails
>> >>
>> >> http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/stots_dovetail_template_m
>> >> ast er.htm
>> >>
>> > The stotts jig is the jig which comes with a shrinkwrap license.
>> > You don't own it, you cannot loan it, you cannot let your buddy use
>> > a template you make from it.
>> >
>> > Therefore I won't be a buyer/licensee
>> >
>>
>> There is nothing to that effect on the Rockler website. Therefore,
>> if I were to buy that stuff, I am not subscribing to to any
>> restrictions. I buy it, I own it, and that's that.
>
> The EULA is not on any website you buy your software from, nor is it
> printed on the outside of the box. Try to get your money back after
> you open the software box. To my knowledge EULA has not been
> challened in court yet.
>
> Any company which dis-respects their customers with a tool as Stotts
> does, does not deserve my business.
>
> ALan
>
I've read a bit of the website shrinkware announcement. As I understand
it, Stottswhatever his name is doesn't want you to go in business with
*his* system and start making jigs with it for everyone you know, or loan
it to all your "friends" so they can do it themselves. I think that is a
somewhat reasonable request. However, if I can freely share my router or
drill to my friends, I think I should be able to do a similar thing with
some other "tool" that I have bought. Therefore, I do not feel encumbered
by his request (unfortunately I do not (yet) know many people who could
conceivably be interested in it).
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
This might work. Allows for different widts/# of dovetails
http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/stots_dovetail_template_master.htm
"Dennis Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> > I was searching the internet and came across these plans for a dovetail
jig:
> >
> > http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/dovejig.html
> >
> > It is from an old Woodsmith magazine. Has anyone tried to make this
jig, or
> > another DIY dovetail jig themselves? I've been thinking about the
mechanics
> > of cutting dovetails, and it seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard
to
> > make one. Any additional information will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> I made it and it works great. Have tried several of the blue monsters
> and while they probably work well for soft woods, I had trouble with
> them when making drawers out of 1/2 inch oak. The vibration caused
> movement of the sides in the jig. I beleive the problem is with the bars
> that are used to hold the sides in place. While they look impressive,
> they do bend every so slight and allow for movement. The Woodsmith jig
> has oak bars that do not bend. I really like it.
> > I was searching the internet and came across these plans for a
> > dovetail jig:
> >
> > http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/dovejig.html
> >
> > It is from an old Woodsmith magazine. Has anyone tried to
> > make this jig, or another DIY dovetail jig themselves? I've
> > been thinking about the mechanics of cutting dovetails, and it
> > seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to make one. Any
> > additional information will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Charlie...
>
> I haven't seen the Woodsmith issue. My own shop-built dovetail
> jig can be seen at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/cnc_joinery.html
>
> The jig was inexpensive; but the router was a killer (speed
> controllable in 0.1 RPM increments from 0 - 24,000 RPM, 5 HP
> available over the whole range).
That's quite a machine! Not quite what I had in mind, though...
Charlie
> Having just purchased one of the 'blue monsters' from Harbor Freight I'd
be
> very interested in pictures and any construction and setup/use hints you
> could offer regarding through dovetail templates. Perhaps you could post
> them to alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking for all to see. If you prefer
to
> email note that the anti-spam 'DOT' must be deleted from my email address.
>
> Thanks,
> David Merrill
>
I read a review of the JET dovetail jig on amazon that basically said that
the harbor freight version is somehow sub-standard as far as fit and finish
goes. Is there any truth to this? The jigs from HF, JET, Grizzly, and
Rockler all look identical but vary in price from $39.99 to $79.99. I know
the Rockler ($79.99) comes with the necessary template guide and bit, but I
believe that the rest are jigs only. Any comments from owners of the
various brands?
Charlie
Han wrote:
> [email protected] (Alan W) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> "RixWorx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<aCqDc.21923$wS2.7318@okepread03>...
>>> This might work. Allows for different widts/# of dovetails
>>>
>>> http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/stots_dovetail_template_mast
>>> er.htm
>>>
>> The stotts jig is the jig which comes with a shrinkwrap license. You
>> don't own it, you cannot loan it, you cannot let your buddy use a
>> template you make from it.
>>
>> Therefore I won't be a buyer/licensee
>>
>
> There is nothing to that effect on the Rockler website. Therefore, if I
> were to buy that stuff, I am not subscribing to to any restrictions. I
> buy it, I own it, and that's that.
Read the FAQ on the Stots site--it really is a shrinkwrap license like with
software. "If you remove this sticker you agree to . . ."
What a court would have to say about it is another story.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"RixWorx" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<aCqDc.21923$wS2.7318@okepread03>...
> This might work. Allows for different widts/# of dovetails
>
> http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/stots_dovetail_template_master.htm
>
The stotts jig is the jig which comes with a shrinkwrap license. You
don't own it, you cannot loan it, you cannot let your buddy use a
template you make from it.
Therefore I won't be a buyer/licensee
Han <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Alan W) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > "RixWorx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<aCqDc.21923$wS2.7318@okepread03>...
> >> This might work. Allows for different widts/# of dovetails
> >>
> >> http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/stots_dovetail_template_mast
> >> er.htm
> >>
> > The stotts jig is the jig which comes with a shrinkwrap license. You
> > don't own it, you cannot loan it, you cannot let your buddy use a
> > template you make from it.
> >
> > Therefore I won't be a buyer/licensee
> >
>
> There is nothing to that effect on the Rockler website. Therefore, if I
> were to buy that stuff, I am not subscribing to to any restrictions. I buy
> it, I own it, and that's that.
The EULA is not on any website you buy your software from, nor is it
printed on the outside of the box. Try to get your money back after
you open the software box. To my knowledge EULA has not been
challened in court yet.
Any company which dis-respects their customers with a tool as Stotts
does, does not deserve my business.
ALan
I have not tried to make a complete jig. The generic blue monster jigs are
so cheap and do a decent job with half-blind dovetails that it don't seem
worth the effort. However, I have made my own templates to use with my blue
monster that allow me to cut through dovetails. Could send some pictures if
you are interested.
Earl Creel
"Charlie Mraz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was searching the internet and came across these plans for a dovetail
jig:
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/dovejig.html
>
> It is from an old Woodsmith magazine. Has anyone tried to make this jig,
or
> another DIY dovetail jig themselves? I've been thinking about the
mechanics
> of cutting dovetails, and it seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to
> make one. Any additional information will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
Charlie Mraz wrote:
> I was searching the internet and came across these plans for a
> dovetail jig:
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/dovejig.html
>
> It is from an old Woodsmith magazine. Has anyone tried to
> make this jig, or another DIY dovetail jig themselves? I've
> been thinking about the mechanics of cutting dovetails, and it
> seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to make one. Any
> additional information will be greatly appreciated.
Charlie...
I haven't seen the Woodsmith issue. My own shop-built dovetail
jig can be seen at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/cnc_joinery.html
The jig was inexpensive; but the router was a killer (speed
controllable in 0.1 RPM increments from 0 - 24,000 RPM, 5 HP
available over the whole range).
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Having just purchased one of the 'blue monsters' from Harbor Freight I'd be
very interested in pictures and any construction and setup/use hints you
could offer regarding through dovetail templates. Perhaps you could post
them to alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking for all to see. If you prefer to
email note that the anti-spam 'DOT' must be deleted from my email address.
Thanks,
David Merrill
"Earl Creel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:hqXzc.13845$wS2.8344@okepread03...
> I have not tried to make a complete jig. The generic blue monster jigs
are
> so cheap and do a decent job with half-blind dovetails that it don't seem
> worth the effort. However, I have made my own templates to use with my
blue
> monster that allow me to cut through dovetails. Could send some pictures
if
> you are interested.
> Earl Creel