I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use the
Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm this
weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at google and
came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was looking for
the same type of look without that long process.
Thanks.
Just about any proprietary walnut stain will do or even asphaltum would also
do it [Asphaltum has no red tint in it].....mj
"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use the
> Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm this
> weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
>
> Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at google
and
> came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was looking
for
> the same type of look without that long process.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:57:35 GMT, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Lowell Holmes wrote:
>
>> I agree with you, but Jack was asking for the formula to do it with stain.
>>
>> Maybe Jack is not comfortable dealing with ammonia.
>>
>> I have read that fuming red oak will give a green cast to the wood. I have
>> never fumed anything, so I don't know.
>
>I only tried fuming one time (on a test piece of white oak) and it
>turned out looking like treated lumber; a yucky green color. I've read
I haven't fumed yet, but the guys who have say the look
before the finish goes on is horrible. The finish deepens
it to the warm, brown tones. Did you put varnish on the
fumed piece, or just give up on it.
>that fuming in colder weather can cause this, and warm (or hot)
>temperatures are required to get the chocolate brown hues. Can anyone
>confirm or deny this?
No idea.
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"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use the
> Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm this
> weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
>
> Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at google
and
> came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was looking
for
> the same type of look without that long process.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Red oak turns a sort of green when it is fumed. Stickley used white oak. White
oak turns a nice medium brown when fumed YMMV.
Grant
Jack Kerouac wrote:
> I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use the
> Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm this
> weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
>
> Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at google and
> came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was looking for
> the same type of look without that long process.
>
> Thanks.
I agree with you, but Jack was asking for the formula to do it with stain.
Maybe Jack is not comfortable dealing with ammonia.
I have read that fuming red oak will give a green cast to the wood. I have
never fumed anything, so I don't know.
I will be fuming some quarter sawn white oak in the future though. It is my
intention to look for liquid ammonia used in blue line machines. It used to
be available from blueprint supply houses.
:-)
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:23:48 -0600, "Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]>
> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >Try this link
> >
> >http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/mission_oak.htm
> >
> >
> >"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use
the
> >> Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm
this
> >> weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at
google
> >and
> >> came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was
looking
> >for
> >> the same type of look without that long process.
>
> It takes longer with the above mentioned method of stain,
> glaze, and then finishing. Fume it overnight and put the
> finish on the next day. What's long about that?
>
>
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>>"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to >
> It takes longer with the above mentioned method of stain,
> glaze, and then finishing. Fume it overnight and put the
> finish on the next day. What's long about that?
>
>
Fuming red oak usually leads to a bit of a greenish tint.
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I recall reading some lit about how to do it and it called for a
special type of ammonia. I asked my local paint-guy about getting some
and got nothing but strange looks back.
What type of ammonia are you supposed to use?
Expiring minds want to know.
jb
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:44:10 GMT, "Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use the
>Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm this
>weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
>
>Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at google and
>came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was looking for
>the same type of look without that long process.
>
>Thanks.
>
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"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> >"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use
the
> >> Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm
this
> >> weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at
google
> >and
> >> came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was
looking
> >for
> >> the same type of look without that long process.
>
> It takes longer with the above mentioned method of stain,
> glaze, and then finishing. Fume it overnight and put the
> finish on the next day. What's long about that?
What I had found on the net was about an eight step process. Starting with
rubbing the piece down with denatured alcohol to raise the grain. Then hit
it with 250 grit. Fume it. sand it. stain it...and a few more I can't
remember off the top of my head. Ending with 0000 steel wool wax/buff.
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I agree with you, but Jack was asking for the formula to do it with stain.
>
> Maybe Jack is not comfortable dealing with ammonia.
>
> I have read that fuming red oak will give a green cast to the wood. I have
> never fumed anything, so I don't know.
>
> I will be fuming some quarter sawn white oak in the future though. It is
my
> intention to look for liquid ammonia used in blue line machines. It used
to
> be available from blueprint supply houses.
>
It's not so much as being comfortable as seeing how easy Norm made it out to
seem without even using the fuming technique. It "wood" appear that he ended
up with the same result.
Larry Jaques wrote:
> I haven't fumed yet, but the guys who have say the look
> before the finish goes on is horrible. The finish deepens
> it to the warm, brown tones. Did you put varnish on the
> fumed piece, or just give up on it.
Yeah, I tried a few coats of garnet shellac, but I wasn't impressed with
the results. I haven't given up yet, I just haven't used White Oak for
anything since that test. I'm sure I'll experiment with it again
sometime soon.
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Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Lowell Holmes wrote:
>
> > I agree with you, but Jack was asking for the formula to do it with stain.
> >
> > Maybe Jack is not comfortable dealing with ammonia.
> >
> > I have read that fuming red oak will give a green cast to the wood. I have
> > never fumed anything, so I don't know.
>
> I only tried fuming one time (on a test piece of white oak) and it
> turned out looking like treated lumber; a yucky green color. I've read
> that fuming in colder weather can cause this, and warm (or hot)
> temperatures are required to get the chocolate brown hues. Can anyone
> confirm or deny this?
Yes that's true. However some orange shellac will negate the green
color. Here's more than you probably want to know:
http://musial.ws/fuming.htm
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:23:48 -0600, "Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Try this link
>
>http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/mission_oak.htm
>
>
>"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I am looking to finish a piece made from red oak. I would like to use the
>> Stickley finishing techniques minus the fuming. I was watching Norm this
>> weekend and he said something about using the stain mixed with alcohol.
>>
>> Does anybody have the recipe and/or technique? Yes, I did look at google
>and
>> came up with different fuming techniques using ammonia but I was looking
>for
>> the same type of look without that long process.
It takes longer with the above mentioned method of stain,
glaze, and then finishing. Fume it overnight and put the
finish on the next day. What's long about that?
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote:
> What I had found on the net was about an eight step process. Starting with
> rubbing the piece down with denatured alcohol to raise the grain. Then hit
> it with 250 grit. Fume it. sand it. stain it...and a few more I can't
> remember off the top of my head. Ending with 0000 steel wool wax/buff.
I've fumed a number of things out of White Oak, Red Oak, Cherry and
Walnut (with more experimentation to come). My process after finish
sanding is to fume it, Knock back the little fuzzies that do seem to
rise (320 grit), and then oil & varnish it. As Larry said, it looks
pretty disappointing when you first pull it out of the fumes - all dark,
gray and "Whahappentomypiece!" Once you hit it with the oil it
gorgifies. (And yes, I've also had Red Oak turn greenish, but some
garnet shellac will counter it.)
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Lowell Holmes wrote:
> I agree with you, but Jack was asking for the formula to do it with stain.
>
> Maybe Jack is not comfortable dealing with ammonia.
>
> I have read that fuming red oak will give a green cast to the wood. I have
> never fumed anything, so I don't know.
I only tried fuming one time (on a test piece of white oak) and it
turned out looking like treated lumber; a yucky green color. I've read
that fuming in colder weather can cause this, and warm (or hot)
temperatures are required to get the chocolate brown hues. Can anyone
confirm or deny this?
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