I give every vendor I deal with a new and unique e-mail address.
Well, I started getting spam sent to the address that only I and
Woodcraft know about. There are several possibilities
1) spammers used a dictionary to guess the account name, but
"woodcraft" isn't a common dictionary word.
2) Spammers hacked my system. That's unlikely. I use a
hardened Linux mail system behind a firewall with virus
checking, etc.
3) Spammers got into the system that sends out the woodcraft
e-mail messages.
I'm betting #3. Anyone else have collaborating evidence?
p.s. Borders also seems to like to help spammers...
On 27 Aug, 11:59, Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote:
> I give every vendor I deal with a new and unique e-mail address.
>
> Well, I started getting spam sent to the address that only I and
> Woodcraft know about. There are several possibilities
>
> 1) spammers used a dictionary to guess the account name, but
> "woodcraft" isn't a common dictionary word.
>
> 2) Spammers hacked my system. That's unlikely. I use a
> hardened Linux mail system behind a firewall with virus
> checking, etc.
>
> 3) Spammers got into the system that sends out the woodcraft
> e-mail messages.
>
> I'm betting #3. Anyone else have collaborating evidence?
>
> p.s. Borders also seems to like to help spammers...
I'm seeing some words in your post that appear to be a
contradictory...
All three of your possibilities seem to place the blame on actions
taken solely by the spammers. However, you end your post with "Borders
also seems to like to help spammers... "
To me, your use of the word "also" implies that you think Woodcraft
helped make your e-mail address available to the spammers.
Are you placing blame on Woodcraft, the spammers, or a combination of
the two?
On 27 Aug, 11:59, Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote:
> I give every vendor I deal with a new and unique e-mail address.
>
> Well, I started getting spam sent to the address that only I and
> Woodcraft know about. There are several possibilities
>
> 1) spammers used a dictionary to guess the account name, but
> "woodcraft" isn't a common dictionary word.
>
> 2) Spammers hacked my system. That's unlikely. I use a
> hardened Linux mail system behind a firewall with virus
> checking, etc.
>
> 3) Spammers got into the system that sends out the woodcraft
> e-mail messages.
>
> I'm betting #3. Anyone else have collaborating evidence?
>
> p.s. Borders also seems to like to help spammers...
I'm seeing some words in your post that appear to be a
contradictory...
All three of your possibilities seem to place the blame on actions
taken solely by the spammers. However, you end your post with "Borders
also seems to like to help spammers... "
To me, the use of the word "also" implies that you think Woodcraft had
a hand in making your e-mail address available to the spammers.
Are you placing blame on Woodcraft, the spammers or both?
On Aug 28, 7:43 am, Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote:
> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
> > >> Have you asked Woodcraft?
> > > Yup. I have been completely ignored.
>
> > What forum/technique did you use?
>
> I just sent them mail again, and added more names to the list of recipients.
> Perhaps they will answer.
>
> I used the contact e-mail on ther woodcraft.com web site. I also used
> the whois address for woodcraft, and the abuse@ and postmaster@
> address at both woodcraft.com and woodcraftnews.com
>
> BTW - at least 51 attempts were made to send spam to that address -
> which my server blocked. Some leaked through.
>
> Some of the spam that leaked through looked like the storm virus.
> Earlier ones looked like the greeting card spam.
>
> I suspect a machine with the list of all of the
> woodcraftnews e-mail addresses was infected with a virus.
I don't know that he's still there, but try [email protected]
He works in the internet department, or did. Don't tell him Charlie
Self sent you. As far as I know, since they let me go about 3-1/2
years ago, I'm still on their shit list.
On Aug 27, 11:59 am, Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 1) spammers used a dictionary to guess the account name, but
> "woodcraft" isn't a common dictionary word.
You have to understand that a dictionary crack does not rely
exclusively on a dictionary as you know it. They often build user
names from combinations of of words, letters, numbers, etc. It's not
uncommon to see your mail server hit by [email protected]
[email protected] ... until it hits [email protected]. You get the
point.
I'm not trying to absolve woodcraft, but I wouldn't rule out a
dictionary crack. I administer several mail servers and I used to see
these things all the time. Fortunately sendmail has a macro to stop
these sorts of attacks.
Maxwell Lol, this is Kevin Lebo, Network Administrator at Woodcraft
Supply. Woodcraft Supply holds it's customers in the highest regard,
and would not purposely divulge customer information to anyone. We do
not, and would not, release our customers' personal information for
profit or for any other reason. We take your concerns very seriously
and tasked a team to verify that our systems have not been
compromised. We have multiple procedures in place to assure such
attempts are prevented and logged. We utilize 3rd party penetration
testing to test the strength of our network and the privacy of our
resources every single day. Our investigation has concluded that none
of our systems have been compromised. I cannot provide information
concerning what safeguards we have in place to prevent unauthorized
access to servers, but if you would like to discuss this situation
further please feel free to contact me.
Random guessing has a lot to do with it. If you want an email that gets
little or no spam you need to google the email creation rules. They are
similar to creating a good password
1) Letter and numbers
2) Don't use real words
"Maxwell Lol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I give every vendor I deal with a new and unique e-mail address.
>
> Well, I started getting spam sent to the address that only I and
> Woodcraft know about. There are several possibilities
>
> 1) spammers used a dictionary to guess the account name, but
> "woodcraft" isn't a common dictionary word.
>
> 2) Spammers hacked my system. That's unlikely. I use a
> hardened Linux mail system behind a firewall with virus
> checking, etc.
>
> 3) Spammers got into the system that sends out the woodcraft
> e-mail messages.
>
> I'm betting #3. Anyone else have collaborating evidence?
>
> p.s. Borders also seems to like to help spammers...
>
Tom Veatch wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2007 00:00:46 GMT, High Score <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Soon or later, the spam league will find you so I determnined long ago
>>that it's easier to hit delete than to fret much about it.
>>
>>-Z
>>
> I see and hear a lot about people receiving huge amounts of spam, but
> I've never been bothered with it. A few come in sporadically but
> nothing that wears out my delete button. Several months ago, I got at
> least one email each day encouraging me to buy some off-the-wall penny
> stocks that were guaranteed to triple (or more) in value within a few
> weeks, but that stopped after a week or so. I noted the ID of a few of
> them and checked on them later. Every one had lost value. Wish I had
> shorted them. Figure it was someone trying to inflate demand for the
> stocks to drive the price up so they could sell theirs.
>
I have an account that I have had for more than 10 years, back then, one
included a valid e-mail address with one's Usenet postings. That account
now gets on the order of 300+ e-mails per day. It amazes me the number of
people concerned about my need for time pieces or the size of one of my
anatomical features. I used to use that address for all on-line
transactions, but it has become so clogged with spam, any confirmation
e-mails are washed out by the spam. I've missed confirmations from Grizzly
and Woodworkers Supply.
So, I'm now in the process of abandoning that address to the spammers.
I've notified those from whom I wish to continue to receive e-mail and
changed account ID's with those merchants who use the e-mail address as an
account ID. I will periodically delete all e-mail from that account with
no effort expended to read any of it. Since it was the primary e-mail
address for my ISP account, I can't just delete that box, or I'd do so.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Maxwell Lol wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> To me, your use of the word "also" implies that you think Woodcraft
>> helped make your e-mail address available to the spammers.
>>
>> Are you placing blame on Woodcraft, the spammers, or a combination of
>> the two?
>
> If Woodcraft allowed (through incompetence) spammers to hack into
> their database, then yes, they are responsible as well. If they hired
> a software company to do this for them then this company deserves a
> share of the blame.
>
> But this is still just a theory. Perhaps my machine was hacked.
Given the precautions you've taken, I'm guessing you are exercising some
sarcasm in the above statement.
Occam's razor seems to apply here.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Tom Veatch wrote:
>
>> On 28 Aug 2007 00:00:46 GMT, High Score <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Soon or later, the spam league will find you so I determnined long ago
>>> that it's easier to hit delete than to fret much about it.
>>>
>>> -Z
>>>
>> I see and hear a lot about people receiving huge amounts of spam, but
>> I've never been bothered with it. A few come in sporadically but
>> nothing that wears out my delete button. Several months ago, I got at
>> least one email each day encouraging me to buy some off-the-wall penny
>> stocks that were guaranteed to triple (or more) in value within a few
>> weeks, but that stopped after a week or so. I noted the ID of a few of
>> them and checked on them later. Every one had lost value. Wish I had
>> shorted them. Figure it was someone trying to inflate demand for the
>> stocks to drive the price up so they could sell theirs.
>>
>
> I have an account that I have had for more than 10 years, back then, one
> included a valid e-mail address with one's Usenet postings. That account
> now gets on the order of 300+ e-mails per day. It amazes me the number of
> people concerned about my need for time pieces or the size of one of my
> anatomical features. I used to use that address for all on-line
> transactions, but it has become so clogged with spam, any confirmation
> e-mails are washed out by the spam. I've missed confirmations from Grizzly
> and Woodworkers Supply.
>
> So, I'm now in the process of abandoning that address to the spammers.
> I've notified those from whom I wish to continue to receive e-mail and
> changed account ID's with those merchants who use the e-mail address as an
> account ID. I will periodically delete all e-mail from that account with
> no effort expended to read any of it. Since it was the primary e-mail
> address for my ISP account, I can't just delete that box, or I'd do so.
>
I have a 'thingy' in Firefox that generates a random email whenever I
find myself dealing with a company that I think would sell my address to
a Tattoine slave trader for two game credits.
Companies like those that pay guys in Indiastan to tell you that their
name is "David Jones". ##
It generates an address like "[email protected]", which
lives exactly long enough to check a confirmation email or two.
Then the email address disappears off the radar.
Bill
## As I explained to the last "David Jones", "Why would I want to do
business with a company that pays people to lie to me as a matter of
policy? After all, they've already proven that they can't be trusted."
--
I'm not not at the above address.
http://nmwoodworks.com
---
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Virus Database (VPS): 000769-0, 08/27/2007
Tested on: 8/28/2007 2:48:55 AM
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http://www.avast.com
Mark & Juanita wrote:
<this is to make up for not clipping the previous post>
Sorry, guys (& gal).
Bill
--
I'm not not at the above address.
http://nmwoodworks.com
---
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Tested on: 8/28/2007 2:49:47 AM
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Tom Veatch wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2007 00:00:46 GMT, High Score <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Soon or later, the spam league will find you so I determnined long
>> ago that it's easier to hit delete than to fret much about it.
>>
>> -Z
>>
> I see and hear a lot about people receiving huge amounts of spam, but
> I've never been bothered with it.
You should visit news.admin.net-abuse.email group.
There are administrators there responsible for maintaining 50,000 email
addresses (at, say, a large university) where EACH address gets upwards of
200 spams per day.
The anti-spam community has developed "blocklists," usually covering a part
(or all) of a spam-friendly ISP. (Sometimes whole countries - like Brazil.)
Often innocent bystanders come to the group to ask that their particular IP
be removed from the blocked span. The best response I've read was:
1. Your emails are like sperm, ready to dash out and do their thing,
2. Your ISP is a prick,
3. [Blocklist] is a condom,
4. You are asking for a tiny hole to be poked in the rubber,
5. We are innocent maidens who do not like surprises.
You'll have to get us drunk first.
Tom Veatch wrote:
| I see and hear a lot about people receiving huge amounts of spam,
| but I've never been bothered with it. A few come in sporadically but
| nothing that wears out my delete button. Several months ago, I got
| at least one email each day encouraging me to buy some off-the-wall
| penny stocks that were guaranteed to triple (or more) in value
| within a few weeks, but that stopped after a week or so. I noted
| the ID of a few of them and checked on them later. Every one had
| lost value. Wish I had shorted them. Figure it was someone trying
| to inflate demand for the stocks to drive the price up so they
| could sell theirs.
Yuppers. AKA "pump and dump"
| Right now, some fool is trying to sell me some kind of outrageously
| expensive watch for some seriously discounted price. I took my watch
| off when I retired 5 years ago and haven't worn it since. Think I'll
| pass on that offer, too.
Good decision. My motto: Never buy a rusty Rolex.
| That's about it for the spam I get, and I take no special pains to
| hide my email address from vendors or anyone else, for that matter.
| I do have a rule on my inbox that sends emails from anyone not in my
| address book to a junk folder and automatically deletes any of those
| that aren't addressed specifically to me. Maybe that's getting rid
| of all the junk.
Chances are that i's getting rid of a lot.
I have a rule that passes everything with "solar" in the subject, so
today I got three spams from germany selling solar garden lights.
<sigh>
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "HeyBub" wrote in message
>
>> There are administrators there responsible for maintaining 50,000 email
>> addresses (at, say, a large university) where EACH address gets upwards of
>> 200 spams per day.
>
> Know the feeling ... spammers sucked so much bandwidth from one of our
> little Internet companies, that was doing very well otherwise, we got tired
> of fighting it and shut the whole thing down.
>
> Should spammers ever incur the death penalty and executioners are in short
> supply, I'm available.
Get in line, Karl, get in line.
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:49:52 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"A Lurker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Yes I also assign different return addresses to different vendors and
>> merchants.
>
>>. Now I know who sold or lost my address - thanks
>> Woodcraft.
>>
>
>Maybe. I have an email address that is never given out and is used strictly
>to send one piece of mail to one other controlled address a day. I still
>get spam. Could have been a guess by a spammer that knows Polish aircraft
>from WWII plus a couple of digits.
Severesky?
I'm am not a spammer.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.
A Lurker <[email protected]> writes:
> LMAO, I cant believe you put this video online. Everyone can see your face
> there. LOL see for yourself... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfppVNLnZad
While this spam seems safe....
> This youtube link is actually spoofed and goes to 65.167.186.170 a host at
> cfu.net and no I haven't gone there to see what adware or crap they could
> put on my computer.
The HTML shows it as a youtube video, but the raw data has it going to
an address that uses numbers instead of a hostname.
This I believe is the Peacomm/Storm virus. When you go there, it asks
you to download a "Secure Login Applet" (applet.exe). And when you do,
your machine becomes infected with the Trojan/virus. It's been a problem for
IT people, because the applet morphs, making detection difficult.
I've seen this youtube virus send out text such as:
Jeez, what were you thinking?
this is too crazy, but she was hot
If your dad sees this video you made, he is gonna kill you.
OMG, what are you doing man. This video of you is all over the net.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, man your insane
LMAO, your crazy man
sheesh man, what are you thinkin
Man you have got to tell me where you picked her up
where did you hook up with that?
You can see your face right in the video. its all over the web dude.
You need to take this offline, it is in everyones email.
Checking the spam I got addressed to my woodcraft account, a lot of
the spam looks like a virus/trojan attempt. (ecard, Storm), but then I
see two stock spams for ERMX.
I guess that someone at Woodcraft or woodcraftnews got infected. Trouble
was, the machine that was infected had my email account in the address
book. I'm getting virus-based spam, and now stock spams sent to my
woodcraft email account.
I'd guess the virus writers are working with the ERMX stock spammers.
dpb <[email protected]> writes:
> That would be "corroborating" unless you're expecting the
> collaborator(s) to be wreck readers and to 'fess up if were...
Oops. Yup. Freudian error. :-)
>
> Have you asked Woodcraft?
Yup. I have been completely ignored.
"HotRdd" <[email protected]> writes:
> Random guessing has a lot to do with it. If you want an email that gets
> little or no spam you need to google the email creation rules. They are
> similar to creating a good password
While theoretically true, I watch the logs on my mail server. I see
each failed guess (I get a User Unknown). I don't see to many of
these, and when I see a dictionary attempt in place, I firewall the
server from the attacker, so they can no longer send e-mail.
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> writes:
> To me, your use of the word "also" implies that you think Woodcraft
> helped make your e-mail address available to the spammers.
>
> Are you placing blame on Woodcraft, the spammers, or a combination of
> the two?
If Woodcraft allowed (through incompetence) spammers to hack into
their database, then yes, they are responsible as well. If they hired
a software company to do this for them then this company deserves a
share of the blame.
But this is still just a theory. Perhaps my machine was hacked.
High Score <[email protected]> writes:
> Soon or later, the spam league will find you so I determnined long ago
> that it's easier to hit delete than to fret much about it.
You don't run your own mail server, do you?
"Sandy" <[email protected]> writes:
> My bet is #4. Nobody reads company policies about what they are authorized
> to do with your email address once you click the submit button. It is
> probably clearly stated somewhere in their policy.
Their privacy policy is stated at
http://www.woodcraft.com/privacypolicy.aspx
>We occasionally make our customer list (postal mailing list only)
^---NOTE----------------^
>available to carefully screened companies whose products may interest
>you. If you do not wish to receive their mailings, we will be sure
>your name is removed from the list we share with other
>organizations. Please contact us at the address listed below and
>provide us with your exact name and address.
and on http://www.woodcraftnews.com/
>WOODCRAFT PROMISE: The e-mail information we collect is used to
>notify customers about updates concerning Woodcraft products and
>services, and is never shared with other organizations for commercial
>or other purposes.
So I don't believe this happened intentionally.
Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> writes:
> Yes. I use sendmail.
In particular, I use
define(`confBAD_RCPT_THROTTLE', `3')dnl
So each IP address can have 3 guesses. It's pretty hard to go through
100,000 guesses at that rate.
"Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> writes:
> For some reason you have neglected to list possibility #4: Woodcraft sold
> their mailing list to whomever is spamming you. No hacking involved. Just
> a straight cash transaction.
That violates their stated policy on privacy.
Personally - I don't think woodcraft is evil.
Jeff <[email protected]> writes:
> You have to understand that a dictionary crack does not rely
> exclusively on a dictionary as you know it. They often build user
> names from combinations of of words, letters, numbers, etc. It's not
> uncommon to see your mail server hit by [email protected]
> [email protected] ... until it hits [email protected]. You get the
> point.
I know exactly what a dictionary attack is. I watch my logs, (I see
each and every attempt to guess every account) and I notice when this
happens.
Most of the time I see guesses that try accounts like "info" "guest" etc.
I would have noticed attempts where thousands of accounts fail.
> I'm not trying to absolve woodcraft, but I wouldn't rule out a
> dictionary crack. I administer several mail servers and I used to see
> these things all the time. Fortunately sendmail has a macro to stop
> these sorts of attacks.
Yes. I use sendmail.
dpb <[email protected]> writes:
> >> Have you asked Woodcraft?
> > Yup. I have been completely ignored.
>
> What forum/technique did you use?
I just sent them mail again, and added more names to the list of recipients.
Perhaps they will answer.
I used the contact e-mail on ther woodcraft.com web site. I also used
the whois address for woodcraft, and the abuse@ and postmaster@
address at both woodcraft.com and woodcraftnews.com
BTW - at least 51 attempts were made to send spam to that address -
which my server blocked. Some leaked through.
Some of the spam that leaked through looked like the storm virus.
Earlier ones looked like the greeting card spam.
I suspect a machine with the list of all of the
woodcraftnews e-mail addresses was infected with a virus.
"A Lurker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Yes I also assign different return addresses to different vendors and
> merchants.
>. Now I know who sold or lost my address - thanks
> Woodcraft.
>
Maybe. I have an email address that is never given out and is used strictly
to send one piece of mail to one other controlled address a day. I still
get spam. Could have been a guess by a spammer that knows Polish aircraft
from WWII plus a couple of digits.
On 8/27/07 4:22 PM, "Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> For some reason you have neglected to list possibility #4: Woodcraft sold
> their mailing list to whomever is spamming you. No hacking involved. Just
> a straight cash transaction.
Or #5 : Woodcraft outsourced the web site hosting and order fulfillment and
that company either sold the email list or is sending SPAM.
Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I give every vendor I deal with a new and unique e-mail address.
>
> Well, I started getting spam sent to the address that only I and
> Woodcraft know about. There are several possibilities
>
> 1) spammers used a dictionary to guess the account name, but
> "woodcraft" isn't a common dictionary word.
>
> 2) Spammers hacked my system. That's unlikely. I use a
> hardened Linux mail system behind a firewall with virus
> checking, etc.
>
> 3) Spammers got into the system that sends out the woodcraft
> e-mail messages.
>
> I'm betting #3. Anyone else have collaborating evidence?
>
> p.s. Borders also seems to like to help spammers...
>
>
Yes I also assign different return addresses to different vendors and
merchants. Just because of the complexity, I've standardized on about a
half dozen addresses shared between dozens of vendors. Recently I've
started getting spam to the address which Woodcraft and several other
(apparently innocent) vendors share for my system. So here's your
collaborating evidence. Now I know who sold or lost my address - thanks
Woodcraft.
Jerry
--
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:AVFAi.2841$j23.774@trndny06:
>
> "A Lurker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Yes I also assign different return addresses to different vendors and
>> merchants.
>
>>. Now I know who sold or lost my address - thanks
>> Woodcraft.
>>
>
> Maybe. I have an email address that is never given out and is used
> strictly to send one piece of mail to one other controlled address a
> day. I still get spam. Could have been a guess by a spammer that
> knows Polish aircraft from WWII plus a couple of digits.
>
>
>
Yup, and it's pure coincidence that spam started for Maxwell about the
same time as mine. Like I said, I use that address for about a half dozen
vendors so I couldn't narrow it down before. It is one hell of a
coincidence the spammer is dictionary guessing two guys with Woodcraft
accounts simultaneously. And I do monitor the mail logs on my server
also, but recently cleaned out the spam trap, so now i'll pay a little
more attention to particulars about this addresses spam, which it had
gotten none for several years.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
I believe that it's fairly common for merchants to sell their mailing
lists (one of the ways to improve the bottom line).
The Woodcraft privacy policy says that they do not share email addresses
with outside parties, but I'm wondering if that includes their
affiliates.
Soon or later, the spam league will find you so I determnined long ago
that it's easier to hit delete than to fret much about it.
-Z
Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I give every vendor I deal with a new and unique e-mail address.
>
> Well, I started getting spam sent to the address that only I and
> Woodcraft know about. There are several possibilities
>
> 1) spammers used a dictionary to guess the account name, but
> "woodcraft" isn't a common dictionary word.
>
> 2) Spammers hacked my system. That's unlikely. I use a
> hardened Linux mail system behind a firewall with virus
> checking, etc.
>
> 3) Spammers got into the system that sends out the woodcraft
> e-mail messages.
>
> I'm betting #3. Anyone else have collaborating evidence?
>
> p.s. Borders also seems to like to help spammers...
>
Tom Veatch wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:37:56 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>You should visit news.admin.net-abuse.email group.
>>
>>There are administrators there responsible for maintaining 50,000
>>email addresses (at, say, a large university) where EACH address gets
>>upwards of 200 spams per day.
>>...
>
> I love that analogy :)
>
> That is the kind of horror story I was referring to. I don't know what
> I'm doing (or not doing), but my spam receipts - including those that
> are rule-directed to my junk mail folder- are rarely more than 3 or 4
> per week. There could be more that are rule-deleted before I see them
> (Rule = From: not in my address book, To: not my email address, then
> Delete) but I wouldn't know how many of those there might be.
>
> Tom Veatch
> Wichita, KS
> USA
>
Tom, it could be that your ISP is helping out. I know that Comcast is
pretty good at reducing the flow substantially. It's one of the reasons I
put up with their (expensive) services.
That, and I guess I don't really want to change addresses very much.
Patriarch
LRod <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:49:52 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"A Lurker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Yes I also assign different return addresses to different vendors
>>> and merchants.
>>
>>>. Now I know who sold or lost my address - thanks
>>> Woodcraft.
>>>
>>
>>Maybe. I have an email address that is never given out and is used
>>strictly to send one piece of mail to one other controlled address a
>>day. I still get spam. Could have been a guess by a spammer that
>>knows Polish aircraft from WWII plus a couple of digits.
>
> Severesky?
>
> I'm am not a spammer.
>
>
I was guessing the numbers as 11 or 37 depending as to whether he was a
fighter or bomber guy. I am not a spammer either!
BTW here's a snip of the latest spam to that address:
Envelope-to: [email protected]
X-EN-OrigIP: 208.10.2.8
X-EN-IMPSID: gHby1X01T0AMzso0000000
To: <[email protected]>
From: <[email protected]>
Sender: User odccza <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:35:58 -0400
Subject: MarkedSPAM Who is that your with? lol
LMAO, I cant believe you put this video online. Everyone can see your face
there. LOL see for yourself... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfppVNLnZad
This youtube link is actually spoofed and goes to 65.167.186.170 a host at
cfu.net and no I haven't gone there to see what adware or crap they could
put on my computer.
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For some reason you have neglected to list possibility #4: Woodcraft sold
their mailing list to whomever is spamming you. No hacking involved. Just
a straight cash transaction.
Lee
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My bet is #4. Nobody reads company policies about what they are authorized
to do with your email address once you click the submit button. It is
probably clearly stated somewhere in their policy.
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"Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For some reason you have neglected to list possibility #4: Woodcraft sold
> their mailing list to whomever is spamming you. No hacking involved.
> Just a straight cash transaction.
>
> Lee
>
> --
> To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"
>
> _________________________________
> Lee Gordon
> http://www.leegordonproductions.com
>
On 28 Aug 2007 00:00:46 GMT, High Score <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Soon or later, the spam league will find you so I determnined long ago
>that it's easier to hit delete than to fret much about it.
>
>-Z
>
I see and hear a lot about people receiving huge amounts of spam, but
I've never been bothered with it. A few come in sporadically but
nothing that wears out my delete button. Several months ago, I got at
least one email each day encouraging me to buy some off-the-wall penny
stocks that were guaranteed to triple (or more) in value within a few
weeks, but that stopped after a week or so. I noted the ID of a few of
them and checked on them later. Every one had lost value. Wish I had
shorted them. Figure it was someone trying to inflate demand for the
stocks to drive the price up so they could sell theirs.
Right now, some fool is trying to sell me some kind of outrageously
expensive watch for some seriously discounted price. I took my watch
off when I retired 5 years ago and haven't worn it since. Think I'll
pass on that offer, too.
That's about it for the spam I get, and I take no special pains to
hide my email address from vendors or anyone else, for that matter. I
do have a rule on my inbox that sends emails from anyone not in my
address book to a junk folder and automatically deletes any of those
that aren't addressed specifically to me. Maybe that's getting rid of
all the junk.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
Maxwell Lol wrote:
> I give every vendor I deal with a new and unique e-mail address.
>
> Well, I started getting spam sent to the address that only I and
> Woodcraft know about. There are several possibilities
...
> I'm betting #3. Anyone else have collaborating evidence?
That would be "corroborating" unless you're expecting the
collaborator(s) to be wreck readers and to 'fess up if were...
Have you asked Woodcraft?
--
Maxwell Lol wrote:
> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> That would be "corroborating" unless you're expecting the
>> collaborator(s) to be wreck readers and to 'fess up if were...
>
> Oops. Yup. Freudian error. :-)
>
>> Have you asked Woodcraft?
>
> Yup. I have been completely ignored.
What forum/technique did you use?
What are their published policies on e-commerce information?
--
> On 28 Aug 2007 00:00:46 GMT, High Score <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Soon or later, the spam league will find you so I determnined long
>> ago that it's easier to hit delete than to fret much about it.
>>
>> -Z
>>
> I see and hear a lot about people receiving huge amounts of spam,
> but
> I've never been bothered with it.
Lucky you. In the past 12 days my Deleted Items folder has
accumulated 2470 items.
<snip>
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
> There are administrators there responsible for maintaining 50,000 email
> addresses (at, say, a large university) where EACH address gets upwards of
> 200 spams per day.
Know the feeling ... spammers sucked so much bandwidth from one of our
little Internet companies, that was doing very well otherwise, we got tired
of fighting it and shut the whole thing down.
Should spammers ever incur the death penalty and executioners are in short
supply, I'm available.
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Last update: 8/8/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:37:56 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>You should visit news.admin.net-abuse.email group.
>
>There are administrators there responsible for maintaining 50,000 email
>addresses (at, say, a large university) where EACH address gets upwards of
>200 spams per day.
>...
I love that analogy :)
That is the kind of horror story I was referring to. I don't know what
I'm doing (or not doing), but my spam receipts - including those that
are rule-directed to my junk mail folder- are rarely more than 3 or 4
per week. There could be more that are rule-deleted before I see them
(Rule = From: not in my address book, To: not my email address, then
Delete) but I wouldn't know how many of those there might be.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Severesky?
>
> I'm am not a spammer.
Czapla RWD 14 It was a high wing recon plane.