On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:43:16 GMT, "Jerry Gilreath"
<[email protected]> wrote:
...... and how much?
>Just out of curiosity, where did you all get your Ryobi 16/32 sanders? I
>just jumped up to Ryobi's website and didn't see anything listed there.
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:20:30 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Post)
wrote:
> - Conveyor tracking can be a pain. Make sure the front and back
> rollers are in the same plane as the conveyor or you'll constantly
> chase your tail with the tracking.
I'm having difficulty with keeping the feed belt from drifting. care
to go into this a bit further?
Bridger
"Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Al Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I've been considering a drum sander for about 2 years...Looking for input
> > from any possible users. TIA
>
> I have the ryobi 16/32 that takes the same paper as the performax. It even
> looks like the performax. Infact I would be willing to bet it performs like
> the performax. For a lot less money.
> SH
IIhave a RYOBI 16/32 also,it preforms fine with the inherent problems
expected of this machine, considering the end results i have enjoyed
using this machine
"Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Al Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I've been considering a drum sander for about 2 years...Looking for input
> > from any possible users. TIA
>
> I have the ryobi 16/32 that takes the same paper as the performax. It even
> looks like the performax. Infact I would be willing to bet it performs like
> the performax. For a lot less money.
> SH
IIhave a RYOBI 16/32 also,it preforms fine with the inherent problems
expected of this machine, considering the end results i have enjoyed
using this machine
Just out of curiosity, where did you all get your Ryobi 16/32 sanders? I
just jumped up to Ryobi's website and didn't see anything listed there.
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"fRITZ BENZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Al Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I've been considering a drum sander for about 2 years...Looking for
input
> > > from any possible users. TIA
> >
> > I have the ryobi 16/32 that takes the same paper as the performax. It
even
> > looks like the performax. Infact I would be willing to bet it performs
like
> > the performax. For a lot less money.
> > SH
> IIhave a RYOBI 16/32 also,it preforms fine with the inherent problems
> expected of this machine, considering the end results i have enjoyed
> using this machine
Hey could be worse. I got mine before they even put a head tilt adjustment
on the damn thing. I have to align mine manually with feeler gauges. Other
than that I do love the machine. A huge time saver and the results are
amazing. As far as tracking goes I guess I got lucky. I hardly ever have to
adjust mine, somehow it just stays put. A colleague of mine had the Grizz
24" sander and its a fine machine too but just hope you never have to move
the thing. Its really heavy. The Performax on the other hand is easily moved
about on any simple cart or rolling base. He has some other gripes about the
Grizz . Its like anything else really. There's good and bad with everything.
I don't believe there are any "perfect" machines for anything.
Jim
>
> Another absolute godsend on this machine is to do the mod to the tilt
> knob as shown about halfway down this page:
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/performax.html
>
> Adding those two nuts makes tilting the head a lot more positive - when
> you turn the knob you know the head is tilting. The way it is stock
> (relying on a spring) is not positive at all. Turning the knob with the
> stock setup seems to have little relationship to how the head tilts.
>
> --
> Scott Post [email protected]
http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
In article <[email protected]>,
Al Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>You say adjusting the drum parallel can be a pain....once it is
>adjusted...does it stay in adjustment with normal used?....thanks to all who
>responded.
>
Yes, it stays adjusted. For normal work you want the drum dead parallel
to the conveyor but for running wide stock you want the open end to be
slightly higher than the closed side so you don't get a ridge. With the
stock adjustment mechanism making this change and getting it back
parallel again is a real pain. It's not too painful if you remove the
spring and add a couple nuts like shown in the link I posted elsewhere
in this thread.
--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
In article <[email protected]>,
Al Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been considering a drum sander for about 2 years...Looking for input
>from any possible users. TIA
>
Pros:
+ Can handle up to 32" boards. Nice for cleaning up wide panels after
glueup.
+ No tearout.
+ Can handle very thin stock if you do parquetry or make your own
veneers
+ At the time I bought mine the store had received nearly every Delta
back for repair due to the table raising mechanism binding. The
store repairman recommended the Performax. Delta very well might
have fixed this by now.
+ The drum moves up & down, not the beds (like the Delta). Thus
you to easily attach infeed/outfeed tables.
Cons:
- S L O W. It's not a planer.
- Adjusting the drum parallel to the conveyor can be a major pain.
It's a poorly thought out design.
- This is a tough job for a motor. I'd prefer a good Class F motor
instead of the cheap asian one it comes with. It kicks out with
all but the smallest bite.
- Conveyor tracking can be a pain. Make sure the front and back
rollers are in the same plane as the conveyor or you'll constantly
chase your tail with the tracking.
If I had it to do over again it'd be a tough choice between the 16/32
and the 24" Grizzly or General International. The Griz & General have
bigger motors to handle faster feed rates. The top conveyor speed is
twice that of the 16/32. Some will say "what does a hobbiest need speed
for" and my answer would be that my shop time is limited enough already
that I don't want to waste any more of it than I have to. The downside
is you can only do up to a 24" panel. Honestly I don't think this is a
big negative since 99% of my panels would fit. When you start getting
above 24" it's pretty cumbersome on the 16/32 anyway.
--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
Do you have the ceramic guides installed correctly ? Is the belt tensioned
so it doesn't stop when under load but not so tight as to deform it ?
Bob S.
"Bridger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:20:30 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Post)
> wrote:
>
> > - Conveyor tracking can be a pain. Make sure the front and back
> > rollers are in the same plane as the conveyor or you'll constantly
> > chase your tail with the tracking.
>
>
> I'm having difficulty with keeping the feed belt from drifting. care
> to go into this a bit further?
> Bridger
I have one:
Pro - Works fine
Con - Costs about $800 with options
Several threads in the recent past in Google.
Bob S.
"Al Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been considering a drum sander for about 2 years...Looking for input
> from any possible users. TIA
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:20:30 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Post)
>wrote:
>
>> - Conveyor tracking can be a pain. Make sure the front and back
>> rollers are in the same plane as the conveyor or you'll constantly
>> chase your tail with the tracking.
>
>
>I'm having difficulty with keeping the feed belt from drifting. care
>to go into this a bit further?
> Bridger
Lay a straightedge across the conveyer bed (not on the belt itself) so
that it sits on the bed and overhangs the feed rollers at the front
and back of the conveyor. You want to set them to all be at the same
height. If one of the rollers is lower or higher then the conveyor
bed then the belt just doesn't want to track. You'll want to do this
on both the inside and outside edges of the conveyor (nearest the
motor and again nearest the open end).
If this isn't clear let me know and I'll snap a picture.
Another absolute godsend on this machine is to do the mod to the tilt
knob as shown about halfway down this page:
http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/performax.html
Adding those two nuts makes tilting the head a lot more positive - when
you turn the knob you know the head is tilting. The way it is stock
(relying on a spring) is not positive at all. Turning the knob with the
stock setup seems to have little relationship to how the head tilts.
--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
You say adjusting the drum parallel can be a pain....once it is
adjusted...does it stay in adjustment with normal used?....thanks to all who
responded.
"Scott Post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:OljIb.691506$HS4.4899462@attbi_s01...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Al Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I've been considering a drum sander for about 2 years...Looking for input
> >from any possible users. TIA
> >
>
> Pros:
>
> + Can handle up to 32" boards. Nice for cleaning up wide panels after
> glueup.
> + No tearout.
> + Can handle very thin stock if you do parquetry or make your own
> veneers
> + At the time I bought mine the store had received nearly every Delta
> back for repair due to the table raising mechanism binding. The
> store repairman recommended the Performax. Delta very well might
> have fixed this by now.
> + The drum moves up & down, not the beds (like the Delta). Thus
> you to easily attach infeed/outfeed tables.
>
> Cons:
>
> - S L O W. It's not a planer.
> - Adjusting the drum parallel to the conveyor can be a major pain.
> It's a poorly thought out design.
> - This is a tough job for a motor. I'd prefer a good Class F motor
> instead of the cheap asian one it comes with. It kicks out with
> all but the smallest bite.
> - Conveyor tracking can be a pain. Make sure the front and back
> rollers are in the same plane as the conveyor or you'll constantly
> chase your tail with the tracking.
>
> If I had it to do over again it'd be a tough choice between the 16/32
> and the 24" Grizzly or General International. The Griz & General have
> bigger motors to handle faster feed rates. The top conveyor speed is
> twice that of the 16/32. Some will say "what does a hobbiest need speed
> for" and my answer would be that my shop time is limited enough already
> that I don't want to waste any more of it than I have to. The downside
> is you can only do up to a 24" panel. Honestly I don't think this is a
> big negative since 99% of my panels would fit. When you start getting
> above 24" it's pretty cumbersome on the 16/32 anyway.
>
> --
> Scott Post [email protected]
http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
"Al Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been considering a drum sander for about 2 years...Looking for input
> from any possible users. TIA
I have the ryobi 16/32 that takes the same paper as the performax. It even
looks like the performax. Infact I would be willing to bet it performs like
the performax. For a lot less money.
SH