Right you are. I do a LOT of stuff. I build furniture and other small items.
I hate it when mags. do this kind of thing!
--
Vicky
www.woodshoppe.net
"Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do anything
> but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
An MCP here - one of the best cabinet designers & builders in these
parts "Kansas"
is a lady friend of mine. Works out of a shop that makes mine look like
a relic of the past.
She started finishing cabinets to make money for college.....Buisness
Degree......makes more doing cabinets than what she would have done
otherwise.
She is married, 3 kids and still finds time to cook like a pro.
Never underestimate the other gender, my hat is off to many !
Leslie G wrote:
> MCP's! AMAP's!
> She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
> The legs aren't too bad either!
I'm sorry, the original post was supportive of women. I wouldn't have
commented except that you changed your sig.
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
Charley wrote:
>
> My daughter-in-law is a licensed building contractor with her own wood shop.
> Most of the time she contracts out the work, but she has proven many times
> to be capable of doing it all herself. Everything from framing to cabinetry,
> and she still maintains a delicate feminine appearance when not working on
> the job site. I found it all quite hard to accept at first, but I've known
> her for about 14 years now and nothing she does surprises me anymore. My son
> has discovered that she frequently talks him into buying better tools than
> he was planning to "because they will do a better job and last longer". His
> only problem sometimes is finding his tools "because they're out on the job
> site". He's a very lucky guy. I wish his mother had more appreciation of
> woodworking and tool values.
>
> --
Don't recall which recent WWing magazine had about half of the main
articles
done by women - one on finishing, another on building a beautiful
sideboard
with inlayed vine and floral patterns (a collaborative effort - one did
the
"furniture" and the other the "enhancements"), another on routers.
If you've been to www.shopdemos.com you'll notice that many of the
projects
using new tools, jigs and fixtures are done by a young woman - and she's
damn good.
Another recent WWing mag had almost all black males in the photos.
Eventually, we'll get to a place were the piece, and what it took to
make
it, will be what's noticed and not what the person who made it looks
like , where that person came from or how old or young the person is.
The
more people woodworking and sharing what they've learned - the better.
rant mode off
charlie b
Leslie G wrote:
> Cool your jets. The "tongue-in-cheek" anger was guided toward those who
> "don't think women do anything
> but crafty type stuff" as mentioned in Blues response after yours. It is not
> toward anyone posting here.
> OK Dave in Fairfax?
Thank you, working with women makes me a bit twitchy on overstepping
boundaries.
Dave
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
Lazarus Long wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:25:00 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >If you've been to www.shopdemos.com you'll notice that many of the
> >projects
> >using new tools, jigs and fixtures are done by a young woman - and she's
> >damn good.
>
> I'd look at the site, but this link isn't working.
That's what I get for guessing rather than looking up the url
It's
www.woodshopdemos.com/
And if you haven't been to the site before - BOOKMARK IT! cause you'll
want to refer back to it for all kinds of stuff.
charlie b
Vicky & Leslie and other women woodworkers,
I frequently go to Mexico to build houses for the very poor and needy. Most
of the trips I have women who want to help with the construction. I teach
them how to use all of the main tools. Sometimes it takes some instance to
get them to use the Skilsaws and nailguns but they eventually come around.
The problem begins with the other men. When a man sees one of the women
taking their time cutting or nailing they come up and ay, "Here, let me
help/show you." I then have to step in and tell the guy to buzz off and do
something else, let her do it. After an hour or so of doing it by
themselves, they become very proficent and thrilled with what they can do.
Next, they want to know where to buy the tools! More women in the ranks of
woodworkers!
Dave
"wood_shoppe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Right you are. I do a LOT of stuff. I build furniture and other small
items.
> I hate it when mags. do this kind of thing!
>
> --
> Vicky
> www.woodshoppe.net
>
> "Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do
anything
> > but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
>
>
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"lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called "Woodworking
> Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find something
> interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> luck.....
>
>
I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do anything
but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
"lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called "Woodworking
> Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find something
> interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> luck.....
>
>
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> writes:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:28:14 -0700, Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>for that matter, wtf does MCP stand for?
>
>I thought it was Microsoft Certified Professional. <G>
>
>Barry
Master Control Program (remember Tron?)
Also the name of the operating system on Burroughs (now Unisys) mainframes.
scott
In article <[email protected]>, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:05:01 +0000, Leslie G wrote:
>
>> MCP's! AMAP's!
>>
>> Leslie
>>
>>--
>>She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
>>The legs aren't too bad either!
>
>
>Yabbut, you're the one advertising the legs ;-)
I'm waiting for the pics in abpw! ;-)
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:59:00 -0500, Renata <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The problem comes when folks think that men have this built in gene or
>sumptin' that gives them the inate ability or knowledge about
>carpentry or woodworking or other "male" things.
>
>e.g. Trying to show some Habitat volunteers how to swing a hammer.
>Let the hammer do more of the work. Holding it closer to the end
>gives more power (though less control). Well, the comment I get back
>- but so and so told us the opposite (hold it nearer the head). Hey,
>who am I to argue with A Man ;-) Let 'em figure it out for
>themselves.
>
>However, I fall victim to this thinking myself. I usually gives guys
>more benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're doing more
>readily than gals. I am learning though, and getting better in
>realizing to assess folks before jumping to any conclusion as to their
>skills.
>
>Renata
yeah... like one of the regulars here has as a sig....
those who know the least usually know it the loudest.
unfortunately, in a field where men are assumed to know more, a loud
man will likely prevail over a knowledgeable woman. it goes the other
way too. I knew a man who was really good with sewing. his family had
been in upholstery for generations. he learned it as a kid and
practised it professionally. he just happened to _look_ like a
clueless doofus guy. it sure amazed me when I saw his work.....
Bridger
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:18:59 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Leslie G wrote:
>
>> Yup, AMAPs. Its true.
>
>Sorry - I didn't ask my question well. What is AMAP an acronym
>for (if that's what it is)?
for that matter, wtf does MCP stand for?
Yup, AMAPs. Its true.
--
She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
The legs aren't too bad either!
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leslie G wrote:
>
> > MCP's! AMAP's!
>
> AMAP?
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> West Des Moines, Iowa USA
> C links at http://www.iedu.com/c
> Read my lips: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
>
My girlfriend is really getting into this wood crap. She loves going wood
shoping with me, fills my dolly with wood that "speakes to her", and builds
some nice furniture. However, what it says to me is "how in the hell you
going to get this to stand still?".
mark
"lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called "Woodworking
> Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find something
> interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> luck.....
>
>
I have no doubt most women in ww are better than me. which ain't sayin much.
I just know I don't want my wife gettin into it. even though I would
consider myself more artistic than her she whips me in any eye/hand
coordination type stuff and I don't want this in my shop. that's my domain,
that's all I gots, left.
"markm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:E2mXb.31868$yE5.114676@attbi_s54...
> My girlfriend is really getting into this wood crap. She loves going wood
> shoping with me, fills my dolly with wood that "speakes to her", and
builds
> some nice furniture. However, what it says to me is "how in the hell you
> going to get this to stand still?".
>
> mark
>
> "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
"Woodworking
> > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
something
> > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> > luck.....
> >
> >
>
>
My daughter is in her 2nd semester of Woodshop in high school. The stories
she tells me about some of the boys in her class. Morons. I'm in my 4th
semester at the local community college and I see the first time males in
the beginning class, who are older than me, having major problems measuring
and cutting! I'm no pro, but at my entry level 1 1/2 yrs ago, I still knew
what a drill and sander did.
"Scott Altman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> An MCP here - one of the best cabinet designers & builders in these
> parts "Kansas"
> is a lady friend of mine. Works out of a shop that makes mine look like
> a relic of the past.
> She started finishing cabinets to make money for college.....Buisness
> Degree......makes more doing cabinets than what she would have done
> otherwise.
> She is married, 3 kids and still finds time to cook like a pro.
> Never underestimate the other gender, my hat is off to many !
>
Well good for your daughter ! she'll weed out the morons that don't
count.
Male ego can be positive & negative at times towards a lady trying
something new or breaking away old mindset boundaries.
Most womn i know that do WW-ing are much better at detail work than most
guys.
Maybe the upper body strength is not there but they can over come that
with wisdom and given a chance.
In article <%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54>, [email protected]
says...
> While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called "Woodworking
> Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find something
> interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> luck.....
>
>
>
well have a look here then there are a lot of competent female furniture
makers and in europe a lot of excelent site carpenters...I worked with a
couple over ten years ago
www.womeninwoodworking.com
MCP's! AMAP's!
Leslie
--
She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
The legs aren't too bad either!
"Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do anything
> but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
>
> "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
"Woodworking
> > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
something
> > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> > luck.....
> >
> >
>
>
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:18:59 -0600, Morris Dovey
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Leslie G wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yup, AMAPs. Its true.
>>>
>>> Sorry - I didn't ask my question well. What is AMAP an
>>> acronym for (if that's what it is)?
>>
>> for that matter, wtf does MCP stand for?
>
> Male Chauvinist Pig
>
> I'm guessing AMAP means All Men Are Pigs.
Always glad to meet and exceed specifications:
What would she know? She's just a /girl/.
--
Morris Dovey
West Des Moines, Iowa USA
A man without a wife is like an eagle without a boarding pass.
gee whiz Leslie! all's I did was make an observation about a mag and wished
them luck and you come back with this. Sounds like some displaced anger
issues. Get a shrink before you kill someone.
"Leslie G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MCP's! AMAP's!
>
> Leslie
>
> --
> She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
> The legs aren't too bad either!
>
>
> "Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do
anything
> > but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
> >
> > "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> > > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
> "Woodworking
> > > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
> something
> > > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> > > luck.....
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Cool your jets. The "tongue-in-cheek" anger was guided toward those who
"don't think women do anything
but crafty type stuff" as mentioned in Blues response after yours. It is not
toward anyone posting here.
OK Dave in Fairfax?
Leslie
--
She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
The legs aren't too bad either!
"lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:WS9Xb.27536$yE5.102841@attbi_s54...
> gee whiz Leslie! all's I did was make an observation about a mag and
wished
> them luck and you come back with this. Sounds like some displaced anger
> issues. Get a shrink before you kill someone.
>
> "Leslie G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > MCP's! AMAP's!
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> > --
> > She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
> > The legs aren't too bad either!
> >
> >
> > "Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do
> anything
> > > but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
> > >
> > > "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> > > > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
> > "Woodworking
> > > > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
> > something
> > > > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> > > > luck.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Geeze, it was a woman at the woodworking shows doing a minilathe demo
(using cocobolo) that caused me to buy one and give turning a whack.
It will be a *long* time before my skill is up to hers (if ever)
Women can definitely "do it"
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:52:56 GMT, "Leslie G" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Cool your jets. The "tongue-in-cheek" anger was guided toward those who
>"don't think women do anything
>but crafty type stuff" as mentioned in Blues response after yours. It is not
>toward anyone posting here.
>
>OK Dave in Fairfax?
>
>
>Leslie
Wonder what kinds of things they advertise? Could it be these:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000DI7XV/102-6098037-3078515?v=glance&s=hi&me=A3RYRK9VLWOZEH&vi=pictures&img=14#more-pictures
--randy
"Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do anything
> but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
>
> "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
"Woodworking
> > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
something
> > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> > luck.....
> >
> >
>
>
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:28:14 -0700, Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>for that matter, wtf does MCP stand for?
I thought it was Microsoft Certified Professional. <G>
Barry
In article <[email protected]>, Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:18:59 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Leslie G wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, AMAPs. Its true.
>>
>>Sorry - I didn't ask my question well. What is AMAP an acronym
>>for (if that's what it is)?
>
>
>
>for that matter, wtf does MCP stand for?
Male Chauvinist Pig
I'm guessing AMAP means All Men Are Pigs.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
Hey, Leslie...I'm a girl. :o) Ya know after thinking about it for a while,
maybe that's a good way to get more women started down the path to
woodworking. That's sort of how I started out...scroll work, bird houses and
crafty stuff. Then I found a guy woodworker with a full shop who wanted to
teach me and after making a beautiful little walnut Queen Ann style
footstool, I was hooked. It's been full steam ahead ever since. The neat
thing is I learn something new every time I walk into my shop, pick up a
book or magazine or log into one of the forums.
"Leslie G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Cool your jets. The "tongue-in-cheek" anger was guided toward those who
> "don't think women do anything
> but crafty type stuff" as mentioned in Blues response after yours. It is
not
> toward anyone posting here.
>
> OK Dave in Fairfax?
>
>
> Leslie
>
>
>
> --
> She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
> The legs aren't too bad either!
>
>
> "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:WS9Xb.27536$yE5.102841@attbi_s54...
> > gee whiz Leslie! all's I did was make an observation about a mag and
> wished
> > them luck and you come back with this. Sounds like some displaced anger
> > issues. Get a shrink before you kill someone.
> >
> > "Leslie G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > MCP's! AMAP's!
> > >
> > > Leslie
> > >
> > > --
> > > She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
> > > The legs aren't too bad either!
> > >
> > >
> > > "Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do
> > anything
> > > > but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
> > > >
> > > > "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> > > > > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
> > > "Woodworking
> > > > > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
> > > something
> > > > > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish
'em
> > > > > luck.....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:25:00 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:
>If you've been to www.shopdemos.com you'll notice that many of the
>projects
>using new tools, jigs and fixtures are done by a young woman - and she's
>damn good.
Damn straight, Charlie. The rest of the jamokes 'roun' here can rave
all they want about Robin on "Hometime", but those who know, know.
Beth rules. Period.
Michael
(Robin who?)
SWMBO went to the Atlanta Woodworking show with me the end of Jan, and
picked up a copy of that mag.
Typcial dumbed down magazine, mainly on the level of the daytime HGTV
shows where they show projects that are aimed at the female viewers
SWMBO even commented that the articles were a lot on the EASY side
compared to the woodworking mags I subscribe to. I had to agree.
Actually, if it had not had the title it had, I would have suspected
from the articles that it was geared towards the beginning CHILD
getting into basic woodworking, like a cubscout or boyscout oriented
projects
John
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:37:19 GMT, "codepath" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I think that his comment was more directed at the magazine than at women
>woodworkers.
>
>It's like having a financial magazine for women. 'Money' magazine came out
>with a women's edition which was totally dumbed-down compared to it's
>mainstream counterpart. That definitely sends the message that in order to
>gain women's interest in a subject that has classically been direct toward
>men, that the topic would have to be simplified.
>
>It just plain makes no sense why there would need to be a seperate
>woodworking magazine for women. The wood doesn't care who is working it. The
>exact same principles, techniques, and tools apply, regardless of the gender
>of the user. So, what is there to differentiate them. Content. Articles will
>probably be something like:
>
>"Blue, Yellow, Red, Green. Why don't power tools come in prettier colors?"
>"How to build a display shelf for your antique doll collection."
>"Tool Review: Dremel attachments for nail polishing. Manicures made easy."
>
>I saw it on the newsstand, but didn't think it worthy of even a quick
>thumb-through. I mean, really, what's the point?
>
>
>codepath
>
>
>
>
>"Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54>, [email protected]
>> says...
>> > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
>"Woodworking
>> > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
>something
>> > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
>> > luck.....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> well have a look here then there are a lot of competent female furniture
>> makers and in europe a lot of excelent site carpenters...I worked with a
>> couple over ten years ago
>> www.womeninwoodworking.com
>
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:31:09 GMT, "Blue"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Hey, Leslie...I'm a girl. :o) Ya know after thinking about it for a while,
That's impossible. Boys are blue, girls are pink.
(Y'know, like dogs are all male while cats are all female.)
>maybe that's a good way to get more women started down the path to
>woodworking. That's sort of how I started out...scroll work, bird houses and
>crafty stuff. Then I found a guy woodworker with a full shop who wanted to
>teach me and after making a beautiful little walnut Queen Ann style
>footstool, I was hooked. It's been full steam ahead ever since. The neat
^^^^^
Wow, most of us are either Neanders or Normites. You're a Stanley?
Congrats on finding a shop and using it. Mo power to ya.
>thing is I learn something new every time I walk into my shop, pick up a
>book or magazine or log into one of the forums.
And that never stops. I love it.
--
Impeach 'em ALL!
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:30:45 GMT, Lazarus Long
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:25:00 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>If you've been to www.shopdemos.com you'll notice that many of the
>>projects
>>using new tools, jigs and fixtures are done by a young woman - and she's
>>damn good.
>
>I'd look at the site, but this link isn't working.
Try http://www.woodshopdemos.com/
--
Impeach 'em ALL!
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:25:00 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>If you've been to www.shopdemos.com you'll notice that many of the
>projects
>using new tools, jigs and fixtures are done by a young woman - and she's
>damn good.
I'd look at the site, but this link isn't working.
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:07:09 GMT, Michael Baglio
<mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:25:00 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>If you've been to www.shopdemos.com you'll notice that many of the
>>projects
>>using new tools, jigs and fixtures are done by a young woman - and she's
>>damn good.
>
>Damn straight, Charlie. The rest of the jamokes 'roun' here can rave
>all they want about Robin on "Hometime", but those who know, know.
>
>Beth rules. Period.
Check out Gail and that clock face project. Va Va VOOM!
>Michael
>(Robin who?)
Robin's butt. Yum! (Both Robin Kipp's and Robin Hartl's)
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The problem comes when folks think that men have this built in gene or
sumptin' that gives them the inate ability or knowledge about
carpentry or woodworking or other "male" things.
e.g. Trying to show some Habitat volunteers how to swing a hammer.
Let the hammer do more of the work. Holding it closer to the end
gives more power (though less control). Well, the comment I get back
- but so and so told us the opposite (hold it nearer the head). Hey,
who am I to argue with A Man ;-) Let 'em figure it out for
themselves.
However, I fall victim to this thinking myself. I usually gives guys
more benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're doing more
readily than gals. I am learning though, and getting better in
realizing to assess folks before jumping to any conclusion as to their
skills.
Renata
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:13:46 -0800, "TeamCasa" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Vicky & Leslie and other women woodworkers,
>
>I frequently go to Mexico to build houses for the very poor and needy. Most
>of the trips I have women who want to help with the construction. I teach
>them how to use all of the main tools. Sometimes it takes some instance to
>get them to use the Skilsaws and nailguns but they eventually come around.
>
>The problem begins with the other men. When a man sees one of the women
>taking their time cutting or nailing they come up and ay, "Here, let me
>help/show you." I then have to step in and tell the guy to buzz off and do
>something else, let her do it. After an hour or so of doing it by
>themselves, they become very proficent and thrilled with what they can do.
>Next, they want to know where to buy the tools! More women in the ranks of
>woodworkers!
>
>Dave
> e.g. Trying to show some Habitat volunteers how to swing a hammer.
> Let the hammer do more of the work. Holding it closer to the end
> gives more power (though less control). Well, the comment I get back
> - but so and so told us the opposite (hold it nearer the head). Hey,
> who am I to argue with A Man ;-) Let 'em figure it out for
> themselves.
Aw that night when your sleeping comphie and their forearm hurts so bad =
that they are almost in tears. That's when they will understand to =
listen to a pro and forget about gender.
Puff
BTW Never have I done anything in life that my wife could not do. She =
has helped me pour and finish concrete. She has helped me build sheds =
and pole barns. She owned and rode every day her own KZ1000. By help I =
mean as a team thing. Give them respect fella's they have earned it.
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> The problem comes when folks think that men have this built in gene or
> sumptin' that gives them the inate ability or knowledge about
> carpentry or woodworking or other "male" things.
>=20
> e.g. Trying to show some Habitat volunteers how to swing a hammer.
> Let the hammer do more of the work. Holding it closer to the end
> gives more power (though less control). Well, the comment I get back
> - but so and so told us the opposite (hold it nearer the head). Hey,
> who am I to argue with A Man ;-) Let 'em figure it out for
> themselves.
>=20
> However, I fall victim to this thinking myself. I usually gives guys
> more benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're doing more
> readily than gals. I am learning though, and getting better in
> realizing to assess folks before jumping to any conclusion as to their
> skills.
>=20
> Renata
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:13:46 -0800, "TeamCasa" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>=20
> >Vicky & Leslie and other women woodworkers,
> >
> >I frequently go to Mexico to build houses for the very poor and =
needy. Most
> >of the trips I have women who want to help with the construction. I =
teach
> >them how to use all of the main tools. Sometimes it takes some =
instance to
> >get them to use the Skilsaws and nailguns but they eventually come =
around.
> >
> >The problem begins with the other men. When a man sees one of the =
women
> >taking their time cutting or nailing they come up and ay, "Here, let =
me
> >help/show you." I then have to step in and tell the guy to buzz off =
and do
> >something else, let her do it. After an hour or so of doing it by
> >themselves, they become very proficent and thrilled with what they =
can do.
> >Next, they want to know where to buy the tools! More women in the =
ranks of
> >woodworkers!
> >
> >Dave
>
My daughter-in-law is a licensed building contractor with her own wood shop.
Most of the time she contracts out the work, but she has proven many times
to be capable of doing it all herself. Everything from framing to cabinetry,
and she still maintains a delicate feminine appearance when not working on
the job site. I found it all quite hard to accept at first, but I've known
her for about 14 years now and nothing she does surprises me anymore. My son
has discovered that she frequently talks him into buying better tools than
he was planning to "because they will do a better job and last longer". His
only problem sometimes is finding his tools "because they're out on the job
site". He's a very lucky guy. I wish his mother had more appreciation of
woodworking and tool values.
--
Charley
"Leslie G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MCP's! AMAP's!
>
> Leslie
>
> --
> She's got tools, and she knows how to use them.
> The legs aren't too bad either!
>
>
> "Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I saw that. Not much to it. Apparently they don't think women do
anything
> > but crafty type stuff. Wrong!
> >
> > "lucky1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54...
> > > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
> "Woodworking
> > > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
> something
> > > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> > > luck.....
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Renata wrote:
> The problem comes when folks think that men have this built in gene or
> sumptin' that gives them the inate ability or knowledge about
> carpentry or woodworking or other "male" things.
>
> e.g. Trying to show some Habitat volunteers how to swing a hammer.
Yeah, well, not all men are built of the same stuff. Some of us know how to
swing a hammer, and some of us are pansies. :)
There's some real truth to what you're saying, but today is a good time to
be a woman in many ways. You *can* certainly argue about all sorts of
inequities today. Women typically get paid less than men for the same job.
You can't do front line combat. You're not likely to get elected President
anytime soon. You still have room to whine, but not nearly as much as you
used to.
Still, the bottom line is that you can play with GI Joe or you can play with
Barbie. You can dress up as a warrior or a princess. You can vacuum the
floor or you can install flooring. You can bake cookies, or you can design
better ovens. If you do typical "girl stuff" then you're just a "normal
woman." If you do typical "boy stuff" then you're "demanding your right
for equality" and all that.
It's NOT a two-way street. Just let my son take a Barbie to school, and see
how it pans out. 20 years from now, some asshole will see him and say
"Hey, there's that faggot who brought Barbie to show-and-tell. Let's smear
the queer!"
My wife and I find ourselves unconsciously--and sometimes
consciously--perpetuating this kind of thing as parents. Our daughter can
play with anything she wants, but our son is limited to toys that are not
"girlie."
Is THAT fair? I don't think it is.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
I think that his comment was more directed at the magazine than at women
woodworkers.
It's like having a financial magazine for women. 'Money' magazine came out
with a women's edition which was totally dumbed-down compared to it's
mainstream counterpart. That definitely sends the message that in order to
gain women's interest in a subject that has classically been direct toward
men, that the topic would have to be simplified.
It just plain makes no sense why there would need to be a seperate
woodworking magazine for women. The wood doesn't care who is working it. The
exact same principles, techniques, and tools apply, regardless of the gender
of the user. So, what is there to differentiate them. Content. Articles will
probably be something like:
"Blue, Yellow, Red, Green. Why don't power tools come in prettier colors?"
"How to build a display shelf for your antique doll collection."
"Tool Review: Dremel attachments for nail polishing. Manicures made easy."
I saw it on the newsstand, but didn't think it worthy of even a quick
thumb-through. I mean, really, what's the point?
codepath
"Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <%YTWb.15836$yE5.70571@attbi_s54>, [email protected]
> says...
> > While checking the mag rack in Kroger today I saw one called
"Woodworking
> > Women". The premier issue. I glanced through it hoping to find
something
> > interesting. Oh well, it was mainly crafty type stuff. I wish 'em
> > luck.....
> >
> >
> >
> well have a look here then there are a lot of competent female furniture
> makers and in europe a lot of excelent site carpenters...I worked with a
> couple over ten years ago
> www.womeninwoodworking.com
codepath writes:
>I think that his comment was more directed at the magazine than at women
>woodworkers.
>
>It's like having a financial magazine for women. 'Money' magazine came out
>with a women's edition which was totally dumbed-down compared to it's
>mainstream counterpart. That definitely sends the message that in order to
>gain women's interest in a subject that has classically been direct toward
>men, that the topic would have to be simplified.
>
>It just plain makes no sense why there would need to be a seperate
>woodworking magazine for women. The wood doesn't care who is working it. The
>exact same principles, techniques, and tools apply, regardless of the gender
>of the user. So, what is there to differentiate them. Content. Articles will
>probably be something like:
Makes sense to me. Look at Popular Woodworking, Fine Woodworking, Woodworker's
Journal. Check out the staffs. Check out the growth to include women in recent
years and months. Only very stupid people ignore women in any field these days.
That said, it does not mean that every subject needs a woman's version.
Participation is often, maybe usually, enough.
Charlie Self
"Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie Self wrote:
> Makes sense to me. Look at Popular Woodworking, Fine
> Woodworking, Woodworker's Journal. Check out the staffs. Check
> out the growth to include women in recent years and months.
> Only very stupid people ignore women in any field these days.
> That said, it does not mean that every subject needs a woman's
> version. Participation is often, maybe usually, enough.
I think a lot of women suffer from the notion that they're not up
to doing many things that we males have been brought up to take
on without a second thought.
ICBW but I think there may be two primary causes: [1]
Over-protection by well-intentioned men (especially by fathers
and significant others) and [2] failure to exert themselves to
learn and pursue full self-development (laziness?)
The most important message from these publications isn't about
woodworking (or stock trading or any other activity) - but the
reassurance that if they want to 'learn and do' there's no reason
in the world for them not to.
If it takes a women's woodworking magazine (or a pink Unisaur) to
make that happen, then I'm all for it!
Even though I'm not terribly enthusiastic about the idea of pink
tools in /my/ shop...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA